Brews N' Reviews - Left Hand Brewery’s “Wake up Dead,” and the "Talk to Me”
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Ever dreamed of sipping on a dangerously tasty 10.2% Imperial Stout while dissecting the deep, dark underbelly of a modern horror movie? Well, buckle up and prepare your taste buds as we take on Left Hand Brewery’s Wake Up Dead Imperial Stout. This heavyweight champion of beers delivers notes of dark chocolate, dried fruit, and a punch of coffee, packing a flavor profile that is sure to leave you feeling... well, woke!
Now, imagine pairing this robust brew with a cinematic journey into the spirit world. We're talking about a24’s horror flick, Talk to Me. Join us as we traverse through the eerie storyline, where a group of friends unwittingly open the door to a realm they wish they hadn't. We'll navigate the murky waters of demonic possession, the chilling portrayal of the afterlife, and how the film subtly comments on society today.
But the exploration doesn't stop there. Our journey also takes us behind the scenes, delving into the production style of the studio, a24. We'll be discussing their pinpoint attention to detail in audio design and background scenes. Finally, get ready to grapple with some of the most haunting questions posed by the film - questions about the existence of demons, the blurred line between innocence and guilt, and the paradoxical human response to distressing situations. It's a wild ride, so grab your brew and let's get started!
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Speaker 2:Bad boys for life, get busy living.
Speaker 1:Fuck that busy dying Gang first, last. Please don't entertain. Oh, you've got to entertain. Welcome to Brews and Reviews with Mick and Pat. I'm Mick.
Speaker 2:And I'm Pat.
Speaker 1:And each week we sit down with you, degenerates to pretend we're certified cisterons and cinephiles.
Speaker 2:That is right. So grab a cold one and join us as we review left hand breweries, wake Up Dead and the 2023 film. Talk To Me.
Speaker 1:And if you've been with us before, you know what time it is. Release the Kraken.
Speaker 2:Oh Ready.
Speaker 1:Fully it. Right the big pour Dude popping. The bottles is always hard to get synced up.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:This stuff's thick. I'm getting flashbacks to Haunt's battery acid, but what was it actually called?
Speaker 2:It was called the Taint Meltor. I don't know, it was the, it was um. Oh, what was it called?
Speaker 1:Hold on a second. We got it up here, don't we?
Speaker 2:I think it's in there's one up there, there should be one Midnight fuel. I think that's it. I don't see it in here. What it might have started stinking in the cabinet? I think it was called midnight fuel.
Speaker 1:That was awful. No hate to that brewery. I know it was a Colorado brewery. I try not to hate on them too hard, but that was rough.
Speaker 2:Do you have any spooky vibes?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, spooky vibes, and we need spooky vibes because Halloweeny, halloweeny, bruising reviews, that is right, which you know? I was reading our thing and we say Each week, every week, yeah, I don't know, pat, I feel like we haven't been hitting that mark. I feel like our bruising reviews folks might feel a little neglected.
Speaker 2:Either going to have to change the script or Up the movie and show watching. Up the product.
Speaker 1:And there's so many I want to review that I just haven't watched.
Speaker 2:I'm waiting for you to watch. I've been slacking.
Speaker 1:You've just been watching way too many Liam Neeson movies at night.
Speaker 2:Rather than the ones we should be watching. We could review like we did I'm forgetting the name of this show even when we did the Last of Us. We could just do, every week, do a Liam Neeson show for like a year.
Speaker 1:Wait, hold on First sips man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we haven't even tried this stuff yet, so here we go.
Speaker 1:It's looking dark and filmy.
Speaker 2:Makes me like this one.
Speaker 1:It's a Definitely like, overall, Like tastes, like drinking cold coffee, you know what I mean. Like that is the number one taste is cold coffee. Day old, maybe day old, cold, like roasted Not burnt, but like roasty coffee.
Speaker 2:It's been thoroughly roasted, maybe reheated in the microwave.
Speaker 1:Dude, it's been so long. Do we usually push it through our teeth first or go over the bottle first?
Speaker 2:First we're going to read this bottle. So yeah, it's an Imperial Stout by Left Hand Brewing Co and they have a skull next to the alcohol. By volume, it's a 10.2% beer. So that is a serious drinker right there, brood on the banks of the mighty St Vrain. Bold, yet smooth, with notes of dark chocolate, dried fruit and coffee. So that's the deal They've got. Ait's been oh, I thought it said it'd been in the cellar for five years. It says only store for five years, up to five years. I don't think that's going to change much for you if you age it.
Speaker 1:I don't know, that's how it turns into battery acid, I think. I think that's what wasn't the midnight fuel like aged. I feel like it said it was like barrel aged.
Speaker 2:Barrel aged in a refinery Could have been, and the label it's kind of wild. It's like a screaming skull within, like an alien shaped head, the big, big, long head.
Speaker 1:Kind of like the Incan head. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yep, it's definitely reminiscent to those red eyes of Gosh. I'm trying to think of thewhat's the creeper it's like from like one of theserial. The first episode was a different thing. Was it Tales from the Crip Were the creeper's eyes would glow red. I can't remember, maybe it was Ghostbumps, but it just reminds me of like that skull with glowing red eyes and kind of being more comedic shaped. It reminds me of something from the 80s or 90s yeah, it does Kind of serial TV but yeah, or like Mars attacks aliens, yeah, it does have some Mars attacks aliens.
Speaker 2:It does have some Mars attacks vibes to it, for sure.
Speaker 1:Also good movie. I should bruise and review that one.
Speaker 2:So left hand brewery? They are out of Longmont, Colorado, Longmont, and I don't think we've done a left hand beer. We maybe have, but I don't think we have done one yet.
Speaker 1:I think it might be because you know that I generally have a distaste towards stouts, and theythey're almost. Almost everything by them is a stout or some kind.
Speaker 2:They're stout people. They like the stout stuff. Left hand, also referred to by lonely teenage boys as Princess Leia. What's that mean? Oh, just a, you know, a companion when you're all alone, like because you're usually holding a girl's hand with your left hand.
Speaker 1:Nope, I don't know. I'm not familiar with this.
Speaker 2:It's you know, in reference to masturbation. So that's what that is yes, Left hand brewery. I don't think that's why they named it, that it's just. It's from a line in some movie. I can't remember what it is, but some guys just like he's like yeah, I've never heard this before in my life. It's his old line. He's just like my left hand. Yeah, I call her Princess Leia, that's it. It's just been stuck in my head since middle school and no one's ever. I also heard it, so, anyways, I'll have to find that.
Speaker 1:I just think of like the Family Guy episode where he's interviewing Meg's boyfriend and he's like what are you planning to do with my daughter? Nothing, sir. I plan to take her out to dinner in a movie and have her home before you know nine o'clock. And he's like mm-hmm, all right, well, I have some questions for you. He's like shoot away, sir, I'll answer it. I was like do you sit on your left hand until it falls asleep, or the massive baby pretending to be someone else? Honestly, sir, I do you know what kid? You're all right. I was just like, I just remember. It was like that was before, like I had even gone on a date. when I saw the episode I was like do people do that? You know too much TV at a young age?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, definitely so. Surprisingly or not, left hand brewer co Brewing Co Started as a humble homebrew kit and a desire to elevate craft beer.
Speaker 1:Did they yes, everybody else yes.
Speaker 2:Surprising or not. They were frustrated by the monotony of bland beer at home and inspired by the rich flavors they discovered in Europe. And it's two, so it was two Air Force friends embarked on a mission to craft the kind of beer they crave themselves. Hobby became an obsession. They started in Longmont in September 1993. So they are just over 30 years old and, yeah, they've been going strong for a couple of couple decades now.
Speaker 1:They've been a I was going to say they've been a staple as long as I've been paying attention to beer and you know the west, southwest, like I've seen them out even outside of Colorado, pretty, you know, successfully. So, um, yeah, I mean that's cool, sounds like every other brewery. But like I mean, if that's that's, it seems to be a method to getting it started and successful. Yeah, yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2:No kidding, they do have focuses on things like community and being charitable and Making beer that tastes good. So yeah, they're kind of hitting all the things there. But this beer specifically wake up dead. It's bold, yet smooth, with notes of dark chocolate, dried fruit and coffee. Read that already Good morning. You've woken up dead. You're in ruins, but don't be discouraged. Here's a black stout to brighten your day. It's deadly delicious, wouldn't you? Let me say it's deathly delicious, but anyways, it's Deadly delicious. I guess it works to. It's deadly delicious with dark chocolate, cake aromas and hints of dried fruit Like rich and coffee. It's a beast of a burial grave from beyond the grave.
Speaker 1:Yeah it does? I'll be honest. Yeah it has a cake smell for sure. Yeah, yeah, like when they said that I immediately was like bullshit.
Speaker 2:And. I'm like I should smell like a little cake smell in there. Its color is black. Like I said, is a 10.2%. I'm alcohol by volume and and it's a, it's a thick beer. It's a thick beer, the God. This is horrible, but for some reason why I was reading that description, all things in it. I just pictured the type of things that end up drying on a toilet that have to be brushed off when the janitor comes in white.
Speaker 1:What like? What's that got to do with anything, bro?
Speaker 2:I just this brown dried fruit and coffee. I was like that's, that's what a Super bowls are made of you. Yeah, I know it's horrible. That's where my head goes, that's what my brain is these days and I'm proud of it. No, but it's me, this is who I am. So left-hand brewery they do tours at their brewery and they have a taphouse at their spot in Longmont. It's worth worth checking out, worth going down there and enjoying if you're in the area, if you're local. So I think it's time for the big taste test.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm trying to get the good insta photo you know, I mean. Yes or not, even for our insta, for our Untapped, untapped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, check us out on untapped if you want to see what we think about these beers but I was thinking it for our when people sign up on the website and like with their email.
Speaker 1:We have the option of like having a PDF that gets sent to them in the email like a free thing. I was like. I was like what could we do with that? I was like I guess we could do like our. Like a PDF, that's just our movie and beer rankings.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:You know I mean like best of the year. Oh yeah you know what I mean. And that way people just know like If they don't want to listen to episodes, they can just like use that PDF as a guide to what to buy and what to watch. That'd be good.
Speaker 2:I also noticed on here. It says a Russian imperial style. I. Didn't, I don't know, I didn't know, that was even a thing. I don't think Russia has chocolate or coffee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just kidding. So it's. I'll say this it's definitely oh, oh, enjoy at 50 to 55 degrees in a goblet. We should have done goblet instead of instead of the steiner, yeah, but that's all right. Um, I'll say this first notes, man, before we do the swish taste test. The fact that this is a 10% beer is shocking to me. Like it does not taste like a 10% beer. It tastes way more mellow Hmm, at least to me, and it is smooth like I'm. I Was really expecting way worse, maybe. Maybe it's cuz nightmare fuel, just you know, took one for the team and made all stouts. Just tastes better like, but anyways. So we're gonna do the switch test. Folks, you know what it is. I don't want to waste time, but Little bit of a tablespoon of mount out of the beer into your, into your mouth, into your jowls, and you're gonna let it roll over towards the back of your tongue and then roll off the sides behind your molars, let it get underneath your tongue and then swish it around side to side and then Push, you know, tongue to the roof of your mouth, pushing that beer through the front of your teeth. Pat's having a hard time not Giggling over here for some reason. What's so funny, man, is it Just take you back.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm gonna switch my zen out.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're zin in while doing. You gotta spit that out, man, that's gonna mess up your taste test.
Speaker 2:It's an old. It's an old. It's been in there for a while. The but no is the. Since I'm doing every motion as you say, it's probably about twice as long as needs to be, but I Think I, my mouth is numb now From that experience. I need you one more time for the taste.
Speaker 1:Oh, after completing that swish test it's kind of, it's a little zingier, definitely like not nearly as like numbing as nightmare fuel, but I Will say, pushing it through the teeth Change the taste profile a lot. I think it. I think with the swish test it it became sweeter Became chocolate ear and now the coffee tastes, is a strong aftertaste like this, tastes like dark chocolate. Yeah, it's like a dark chocolate coffee aftertaste, for sure. Oh yeah, it reminds me of like those first few sips from black coffee after you brush your teeth in the morning. Mm-hmm, you know, wow, okay. So thoughts on this made my tummy hurt, probably because you're swishing a 10% beer with Six percent nicotine pouches in your mouth, oh yeah, and you swallow to. Which is so gross, dude. Just because it says you can swallow it doesn't mean you should. It's called gutting. We don't call it swallowing. Yeah, we do. There's that tobacco, that's right. That's right Um also our music is spooky music is spooky music white bats 80s horror synths playlist. All right, so, honestly, every note that they're suggesting is in the beer I'm picking up, pat, what about you are? Is there anything? The fruitiness?
Speaker 2:I'm only trying to find the dried fruit. Yeah, it's like the fruit in this is.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling masked if you think about dried fruit, though, is dried fruit like what is dried fruit? I think banana chips. Right, I wish.
Speaker 2:I wish it was like what dried fruit you know, yeah, because Then I could maybe like pick out an apple or a citrusy, like an orange, flavors and I don't know.
Speaker 1:So what's? There's some like awful, like ideas of like dried fruit, like dried watermelon, I don't know, it's dried cantaloupe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay your melons?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't even think you could. There's so much water I think it just, you know, milk away in the sun. Mm-hmm, I'm gonna take another sip, but pass, start giving your first takes, first takes on the beer thoughts, comparing it to other stouts, comparing it to the reigning king of Coffee stouts, nightmare fuel, yeah, yeah, what was the one that we tried? Silver, silver lion is not, that's horse and dragon. But what was the horse and dragon when we tried?
Speaker 2:that was horse and dragon was uh, it's called midnight, not it's a nice tally, midnight stallion.
Speaker 1:That's what I got mid night stallion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, midnight stallion was good. I mean it was. I think it's hard to beat for someone who doesn't like stats midnight stallion was yeah, that's a.
Speaker 1:That is a barrel aged bourbon one, yep, yep.
Speaker 2:And so the First thoughts on this one. I think it's coming into winter. It's a good winter beer, like it's cold. It's been cold outside. If you're a stout person, you're gonna like this thing. You know, if you're not a stout person, or if you're not, if you haven't tried stouts, don't start here. This one is. This one's a little, uh little intense on your first. Go around the merry, go around for uh, the Is. It's just bitter. I think there's that, that bitter coffee, dark chocolate taste in there. It's gonna turn you off to him.
Speaker 1:But I, uh, I don't know, man, hmm, kind of disagree with you, I think this would be a a okay first start like how many 10 stouts Are gonna be good intros to those heavy Stouts. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like if I'm thinking of someone's like messing around with a, you know, heavy-duty stout, I think this would actually be a good one if someone's thinking they're ready to bark up that tree.
Speaker 2:Uh, I think yeah, if you're ready to get into like the this intense side, but if this is like your first, if you've had like a couple bud lights in your life and maybe you know Some other wheat beers like and you're just going straight into the dark beer realm, this could be a wake up. This is gonna uh, and I love, I love in their description too. Um, here's a black stout to brighten your day. Um, just, uh, I don't know that, it will, it might, it will, uh, and it just it's the way they say. This is like you're supposed to drink it in the morning.
Speaker 1:No, way.
Speaker 2:No, I mean just like good morning, you've woken up dead.
Speaker 1:You're in ruins.
Speaker 2:But don't be discouraged. Here's a black stout to brighten your day.
Speaker 1:I guess if I was hungover this is a little bit of like the hair of the dog that you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, you ever have that beer, just uh, no, I've never heard of that one 14 or 15 percent beer.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that's not even like the original form of that, of that Liquor, whatever it was, you know whatever form it took. But I just remember the first time I was hungover it was right after I graduated high school, and my buddy's dad poured us two shots of that while he was cooking steaks and it was like kind of punishment, kind of like this will make you feel better. Yeah, and it really did. It really did like take the edge off, but it was like a 14 percent beer, you know what I mean, and it's just like he pours it into this shot and it's just like Just the most like licorice, dark beer, hmm, but anyways, um, okay, I'm gonna. I don't want to beat around the bush man. I think this is a good beer. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, like I know it's not for me. I know my favorite profile is not really like the one that Is gonna be inclined to enjoy this, but I genuinely think people who like stouts will like this. You know, when I think imperial stouts, this doesn't seem like Over the top. The flavor profile is strong, but it it's what is on the bottle, right, you know, like if you read the bottle and you're like, well, I don't want dark chocolate or coffee flavored beer. It's like okay, well then, don't buy it. Yep, but like if you look at this bottle and you're like, all right, I'm open to it.
Speaker 2:That's what you're getting, because I'd say too, I've had a lot of other Stouts that are muddled. It's just like a Muddy yeah, just a. They throw all the flavors in there and it's just, it's just nasty, it's just not there and they're just like you've said about them. It just tastes like Like throw up, yeah, you know. It just tastes like vomit, yeah, like don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:Even this to me has a little bit of a vomit taste, but that's probably just because I'm so sensitive to it. That's why I don't like ales or stouts, but you found it now, but the um.
Speaker 2:But yeah, this one. It's got a clear favorite flavor profile in it and the. Especially as we're coming into winter here, it's getting a little, uh, cold outside. I think this is one with picking up and enjoying.
Speaker 1:I would drink this Over any Christmas beer I've ever had.
Speaker 2:You know what like a million times over.
Speaker 1:I'm drinking this over poopery Puss like whatever that was dude, I hated that so much, which is ironic because I just submitted a. I just submitted our like Interest and being a sponsor, like partnership with, uh, new belgium, with voodoo ranger and stuff. Oh yeah, I'm like they're gonna listen to the first episode of like where we gave juice for such high praise, mm-hmm, and they're like mm. I don't know like they joked that they were already sponsored.
Speaker 2:That might be points against us and they're gonna money grab.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we said get it while you can yeah, it might not be around. And then they're gonna be like, oh, they also reviewed our Holiday, ale yeah, and they're gonna put that one on. And they're gonna be like, no, we're not partying with these guys, these guys suck. Yeah hey, you know what I'm saying. New belgium, we're gonna give the honest opinion and if you give us free beer or slash, you know, sponsor an episode we will give a very More positive skewed opinion of your beer. Yeah, just kidding Um no, but it'd be great, just because one I'm a big fan of, like our local breweries here we have so many good ones that are, you know, still Like not getting the popular they deserve. So I'll just say, with that too, like anyone who you know listens and you got friends or family who are starting out their brewery, or you own a brewery, whatever it is, we'd love to partner, especially like, if you know, I see on the bottle the independent craft beer, uh, brewers association sticker. If I ever see that logo on it, that 100% makes me want to buy this beer over most other beers, just because I want to support them, right? Um, all I said, uh, wake up dead by imperial stout, I'm sorry, wake up dead by left hand brewery Imperial stout. I'm gonna give it a thumb up pet. That's what I meant to him. One thumber, it's like it's a good beer. In fact I'd be a. I'd recommend it as someone's first heavy, like Heavy stout like oh you, you're gonna have something that's not an IPA, that's over 7%, I'd be. I'd be fine recommending this. You know what I mean. Um, I think you nailed it too, pat, like this is a Christmas beer, not a Christmas beer. Winter beer, winter beer. Enjoy the fall. We're past that last warm day in october. Mm-hmm now we're just gonna get the surprisingly delightful sixties through November and december spread out. Mm-hmm but for the most part we're in the chill baby, and I think this is a great beer for that. And pat, hmm, this is a perfect beer for our movie.
Speaker 2:It just might be.
Speaker 1:Our movie Just so happens to be, as we mentioned. Talk to me. Talk to me is, uh, this movie that just came out here in 2023. Uh, it's getting a lot of buzz around it because it has, uh, been the first film debut in a successful film debut, according to a lot of reviewers. Um, of Danny and michael filipu, filipu filibua I can't remember how to pronounce their name, but, um, these two guys I grew up with. They were youtubers making popular YouTube videos where they have their buddies over their house and trash their house and shoot each other with airsoft guns. It was just super fun. Um, they did a lot of good spins on it and this is their film debut and a lot of people were like, man, I hope these guys hit it out of the park. I hope they don't try to go take off a bite bigger than they could chew. And that just so happened to be so far at least from what people have said, critics and stuff like that a pretty favorable opening debut. But anyways, talk To Me is a film, pat. That essentially the summary. Right, I'm just going to do our normal plot summary. It's a group of friends who discover how to conjure spirits using an embalmed left hand. They become hooked on the new thrill until one of them goes too far and opens the door to the spirit world, forcing them to choose who to trust the dead or the living. And so with that yeah, there's like this. At first it looks just like a fake mannequin hand with writing on it like people who how they sign a cast, and it ended up being an embalmed hand of a, not a psychic, but what is the term for the person who speaks to the dead? A medium, medium, medium, yeah, and so that's why I left hand breweries wake up dead just was on the spot as a good beer for this episode. Oh yeah, and so with that, the lead of the film is Sophie Wilde. You probably haven't seen anything else that she's in, but she did a great job, I think. Here as a lead, miranda Otto, who is Aowyn from Lord of the. Rings. She's one of the moms. She's a great job. And then Alexandra Jensen is the sister Jade, and Joe Bird plays Riley, and both of them this was kind of one of their big debuts as well Both of them, I think, did a great job. Over around, all around. I thought the cast for the most part did a pretty good job. That said, pat, let's get into the movie. I don't really want to. It's so fresh that I don't think many people spot a goose yet, right. But I'll say this I think it is a different. It definitely was different than my expectations of what I saw from the trailer and the buzz around it. Because you know, just of course, awareness for everybody. Spoiler alert we're going to get into spoilers here for the movie. If you don't want spoilers, watch the movie first. We'll try not to spoil everything, but we usually just kind of have to get into it to review. But what was the body count? One, two, I think two people died in the whole movie and it was like, yeah, it was two and it was two. Yeah, that is now what I expected, bro. Like by the halfway point in this movie I was like dude, all right, they're all going to start getting it real hard right now, like people are going to start dropping left and right, and I was shocked at how scary it was for the amount of people who didn't meet it rough.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, yeah, I think that same, Because I also. I was. When I saw the trailer for this. It was just her sitting in the chair making like a wild eyed face while she's possessed, and I was thinking of like a Jordan Peele horror movie Like us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I felt like it was very us, it was us the trailer, the trailer, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so that's how I thought I was like headed into, you know. And then the yeah, but it wasn't that. And the I'd say two, for for as far as horror movies go, there are a couple of very gory graphic scenes, but as far as actually, yeah, like amount of people getting taken out, it was not what I thought it would be either.
Speaker 1:And even though even then I want to say, the scenes where there was blood were really that gory Right. I would say it was more the imagery of, like what was happening was disturbing, right, but it wasn't like even remotely close to the amount of gore I've seen in just like, you know, like standard action film. You know, 13 hours, way more gory Right.
Speaker 2:But, it wasn't as disturbing right when Riley was losing it because it was a kid harming himself. Yeah, that was like you know. It's disturbing that was. That was definitely the most gore disturbing scene that there was. But yeah, there wasn't a. It's not like Saw, yeah, no yeah, or even the other like war movies you've seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it is that idea, though, of like they did a really good job of not showing us stuff. You know what I mean. Like I think the I think they probably did, I don't know. I would bet they've done a hundred takes of each person sitting in that chair with their facial reaction to the unseen undead sitting across from them. You know we see a couple of examples of like these undead and they're pretty well done. I thought the makeup was great. Nothing was CGI. You know, if it was CGI, I didn't notice it. Maybe touch up like the like. Yeah, the makeup was great. Dude, like the drowned woman, like her one eye being in one direction. The other eye just foggy milky. All I said, though I think like they did a good job, not over showing like, oh, here's a different dead guy.
Speaker 2:Here's this dead guy and like this guy's been run over by a car. You know what I mean, and because that first time they did it, they showed us.
Speaker 1:And it was so brief.
Speaker 2:And then the rest of the time they didn't show us, and so, and what they did show us initially too, is how, when she the main character, sophia, is that the actor's name or the actor's name, sophie Mia yeah. Main character's Mia, yeah, so Mia. The first person she sees is just like an old dude, like he's probably like a.
Speaker 1:He looks like he got hit by a car, or he looked a little scraped up Right.
Speaker 2:But he's just like you know he's in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a, he's like a gnarly demise.
Speaker 2:He just like died. You could tell me that guy was homeless, and I believe it Right, and then it just put in, it flips back to the next thing and it's like, oh, this is intense. And so they showed us those two examples of things, that some something somebody might see, and really the rest of it, I think, was all left up to us.
Speaker 1:There was the old woman in the bedroom who I saw in the corner and I didn't want to scroll it for my friends, the that's later. Yeah, what about, I mean during like the other during the hands, like the other kids doing the hands, that's the hands.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for just for that instance. Like the kids who were doing the hand, we didn't know what they saw, but we know the spectrum of what it could be based off of their reaction to it. You know, it could be all these different things.
Speaker 1:So I agree. Yeah, I think I think they did a really good job too about when Mia plots plot point here, not really spoiler, you find it out in the trailer, but Mia's mom died and so, sure enough, at one point someone can't guess like someone takes the hand and when they take the hand and say talk to me, mia's mom shows up, or at least we think it's Mia's mom. It's never really clarified which one of these are ghosts and which of them are demons and which one of those of them are just might be confused or angry dead people. It's hard to tell. Because there's definitely some ones that seem like you know some a little bit of like I am Legion, for we are many right, you know kind of vibes and which things are.
Speaker 2:Also like playing just out of your own fears. Yeah Right, like that it's. It's none of those things, but you like expressing your your fears about what you've been or whatever.
Speaker 1:So well, when they first let us see the ghosts of Mia's mom, the camera is out of focus and even as it pulls into focus, it never comes into full focus, I think, which I thought was a good move. When she's outside of the in the hospital, I'm thinking no, I wasn't thinking that. I was thinking, like when she's trying to talk to her mom and her bedroom the first time, oh, yeah, yeah, and like it's almost at first, like you're, like, is it going? to be your mom, you know it's a little bit of a panic hesitation.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But anyways, it is an 824 film through and through, though I would say like I would, I think, if you saw hereditary or Midsummer, then, like you, kind of know what to be looking for in this one. So 824. 824 is the production studio.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:And 824 is very well known for macro shots and they're films that have many things placed in the frame that are in the foreground, middle ground and background, and I knew as soon as they started doing these, like you know, mia walks into the house with Riley after, like just picking them up from the skate park or whatever, and this house is a big house full of windows and it's such a wide angle shot to let you see like kitchen, living room, hallway I was like dude, they're going to jam this thing full of things in the background that we think are people, are people. You know what I mean. And sure enough, they did it several times in the movie. The hospital had a couple of times where, like I saw stuff that I don't think other watchers saw of like spirits hidden in the background. The big one, that kind of was like weird and kind of kind of funny, kind of creepy. The old lady in the corner, dude, I saw that so quickly.
Speaker 2:And, like you know, I saw it as soon as the camera's panning, and everyone no one else seemed to see it when we were watching it again. Yeah, I watched it, like with six other people, dude.
Speaker 1:yeah, I saw that thing Did you know immediately it was a person.
Speaker 2:Or did you play?
Speaker 1:the game in your head. We were like that might not be a person, that might be like a coat wreck or clothes or no, I was like there's something coming out of that corner shortly. Dude see that's so interesting Because everyone I watched it with they're like I swear it was just I thought it was clothes, you know, and so like I think they did a really good job of jamming stuff in there Because like in hereditary, one of the best things they do is like just on the edges of your thirds right. When you think about, like, how a camera grid is set up, it's set up you know essentially to have everything divided into threes you know three rows, three columns, you got like a nine square grid and the idea is like keep everything in thirds, Like make sure the focus that, like the thing you want audiences to focus on, is in one of these full thirds, whether the lower, third, center third, upper third right, third center, third left, third right, and it's not that they should be in one of the squares entirely, but they should take up a whole three squares and then fill the other stuff with other things that, like, the audience can notice, or details that help understand the scene. And hereditary, was so good at putting like little, kind of like a pagan scrawling into the wallpaper or a scratched into a desk, and it was like words that seemed to not make any sense to like you as the viewer cause. You're like what does that mean? And like you could read it in your like payment what is what is payment? But it's like scratched into, like you know, a child's wallpaper. You're like oh, that could just be the kid trying to spell their name or whatever, Right and like, but it's it's easy to miss because there's so many other things in frame. It's not the center of, like, your attention, it's not in the main thirds and it was just in one of the corners. And they did that with like so many things in that movie. Like there's points where you see like if you're paying attention, you'll see people out in the woods that, like otherwise, you just will not see. Even on the cover art, like of some of their movies, they hide details of the movie in the posters that are hidden in those areas of, like the outer edges of the frames and you can like really infer a lot. And so, like I knew, going into this one, I was like there's gotta be stuff like that. And sure enough, they did it several times and I thought that I thought that was pretty cool, I thought it was pretty sweet, Anything like that for you. Like that you noticed that you felt like were like nice attention to details really good, like kind of helped you understand more about the scene rather than being told you know a little bit more of the show rather than tell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think at first I didn't like the audio design in the movie, as in All the, just the audio, just like all the sound effects and the music and this like the first 10 minutes that I was watching it. I was like I'm not sure if this is gonna be like up to snuff or not, and cause. Here's the deal with you thought it was bad audio.
Speaker 1:I wonder if that has more to do with what you were listening on. Cause we listened to it on a sound bar and had it up to blast and it felt like you know full surround.
Speaker 2:Right, I'd say like this like opening scene, music, party music's playing, and then like they're bringing that kid out. Yeah, and he stabs, his brother stabs himself, but prior to that there's like two or three times that they're talking and you can't oh, you can't hear anything. You can't really hear what they said Like, and so the audio like the. Yes, you couldn't hear the dialogue clearly, but then when he did stab himself in the face, oh yeah, it sounded very clear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2:It's like some dude who's in a sound studio is like oh yeah, I'm getting the shoo-shoo, sound, shoo-shoo. I'm gonna get that so perfect, like the treble's dialed in perfect and like he really stabbed himself in the face, as if we held the mic right next to it Next to the watermelon yeah kind of like this like maybe classic horror movie, where's your focus on your sound design, audio design, stuff? So like I wasn't sure about it, but then as it went on, I thought that they actually did. It was all pulled together pretty well, and so I think that the especially the scenes where the kids were some of like the Montage type scenes- and things like that. And then because also why I was critiquing sound right out the gate was because everybody knows that the number one thing in horror is audio.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then the visual, and so I was like over that first scene. It's like, oh, you know, they're like almost overdoing it to the point of, like we're going to make it, we're going to rely on audio too much for the scary stuff but not actually do good storytelling or do good dialogue scenes, and so that's where I was starting from, and then, as it progressed, like the audio was good, and then also the sound design was good, as well as the scenes around, specifically like her first, what you'd call it possession scene doors and doors and stuff in the room move and all that. I'd say that was good, and so they brought that together well. And the one thing, though, about with the like the, they don't explain the universe too good to you, the universe like you always have to.
Speaker 1:I feel like you have to establish the rules you're playing by in any dude, I thought the first, I thought in the first 10 minutes they did the rules didn't they, they, they, they kind of did but like for but I hold it for more than 90 seconds. Right, right, right. Gotta say talk to me, I let you in.
Speaker 2:How did those doors close and open, or what's like? So are these physical beings like? Are they physical beings running around the house that other people can't see? I think they are. Like you know, like, so what's the? I feel like this is the thing for me throughout. I just feel like it was like did you watch this on your phone?
Speaker 1:No, I watched it.
Speaker 2:No, I watched it on a big, big old TV. But the where sometimes the the, you can border on mystery to establish horror versus like explain it, and so you can like almost crutch, not explaining the universe as much because it's just mystery and horror.
Speaker 1:Sure, right, I thought it made, I didn't. Okay, I'll say this I think I would have had that question maybe if we didn't get the most horrific scene Right, and the most horrific scene is when you know so. So for our listeners out there, the rules, the rules established with this left hand of this medium, is that you grab the left hand with your left hand and you have to say talk to me. And when you say that the what you end up seeing as a ghost, perhaps a vengeful spirit, perhaps a lost spirit, part of me will also wonders if it's a demon at some point. And they're holding your left hand. And then you have to tell them I let you in so they can go into your body. And when they go into your body, it's like a drug high. Everyone describes it as being close to the surface, or what was the other one? they said Feeling so like elevated, yeah, or bright and warm and I think it's a lot of the feeling of like they're feeling, like what it feels like to almost like be out of your body, like an out of body experience, right, because they're, they are. They're feeling what it might feel like to be dead While the bot, like, while the dead is using their body and then talking to people. And then they're while they talk to people, they they kind of tell people what they see around them or like what the other spirits are doing. And, in a flip of the script, our main protagonist, mia, is trying to get these spirits, or one spirit, to leave Riley. He's in a catatonic, paraplegic state and she takes his hand and says talk to me. And then this little girl shows up and rather than her telling the little girl, I let you in, the little girl says I let you in, and what Mia sees is through the eyes of the spirit and she sees what looks like several dozen naked.
Speaker 2:the third, like the fourth ring, fifth ring of hell stuff, yeah like like just these naked, demonic, twisted beans, I would say they.
Speaker 1:I would say you could say they're demons, or you could just say they're lost, depraved souls, yeah it's a demon tickle fight and they're they're like all pushing around each other trying to just get and be able to touch and pull at Riley as and like Riley seems conscious but not able to do anything, like he's not screaming while they're doing that, but he seems aware of what's going on in the spiritual realm while they're doing it and anytime he does come to consciousness in the real world, they're trying to kill him right, because if they get him to die, they get to kind of keep his soul right amongst themselves. And it just really gave this vibe of like the purity of, like a of a preteen spirit, you know, or childhood spirit, maybe not preteen, but like young, youthful teenagers, still, you know, optimistic about what the world holds. And then all these things that just want to take that purity away just want to feed off of it. And in that scene, though, I felt like it to me revealed that like, while we may only be seeing the individual in the single possession, there could be tons of the spirits or demons around that are actively trying to get through the bridge of the hand, you know, to the world. And like I think we see that too when Mia, like, looks at Riley and like they like you, they want you. And then she looks at like that Christian guy and is like, oh, they hate you, like they don't like you at all, you know, I mean, it's just like. It just seems like when the spirits are in possession of a body, they they kind of seem to be acting like there's other spirits around, which is why I thought it made sense, like the door is opening and closing, or you know, the spirit pretending to be her father and pretending to be her mother, while her father was in the other room and trying to, like, break her door down and get to her. Anyway, all I said. I don't know if that's a satisfied, satisfactory explanation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's closer, that's why I felt like it was okay, right, because I feel like it makes sense to like explain most of this as like, especially when you get into, like her mom, was that her mom or not? Yeah, to really get into that, if it was like, if it was like that, if it, if you'd say it wasn't her mom, then it's easier to start explaining all that stuff. But then it's also like so did the dad killer Dude. What's darker, bro, what's darker yeah?
Speaker 1:I think it's darker that it was her mom and she's just become a wicked twisted just a spirit person. Yeah, like because, like we see spoiler, we see Mia die at the end. We see her spirit roaming and she looks confused, not vengeful, not angry, but just confused. And ultimately someone in some other, you know locale uses a medium to talk to her and part of me just wonders if, like over time, these spirits just get twisted hungry. You know they go from confused to lost to angry. You know the five stages of grief whatever. And then finally acceptance accepting all I'll ever be is lost and the best thing I can do is use whatever opportunity I can, to you know, get another body. I don't know that, you're right. There's not a lot of explanation of like which ones are good, which ones are evil. Why would they do one thing versus the other? Because, like, we see the little girl spirit when she is not evil, right, like she seems to be an ally, you know and that old lady spirit wasn't evil, just horny. There was a couple of moments that didn't work for me in the film.
Speaker 2:There was a couple of moments that I was just like they were just. I feel like in that scene they were just going purely for like disconcerting, they're, like we are going disturbing, unsettling, unsettling.
Speaker 1:It wasn't even it started out scary, became just gross out. Yeah, but like when the Christian guy I can't remember his name, but when they describe him as ultra Christian, yeah, when he gets possessed in this, this demon seems like it's making him have an orgasm while he's kissing the face of a dog yeah, like that was just so excessive and it felt gross, but not gross in the way I expect a horror movie to make me feel Right Like it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. Like with Haunt, where there's like some gross like dude getting his face pulled off with like the clawed tooth of a hammer.
Speaker 2:I forgot about that. I repressed that.
Speaker 1:Sorry, that was gross, dude. That was awesome, awesome Like, and this was not awesome. This was like that's gross to be out. Please stop having this actor lick this dog.
Speaker 2:Did you do this throughout the film at all? Because the kids are playing with. So, from one perspective, these kids are playing with some serious fire, really devilish, evil stuff.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:Not okay, horrific. But then while they're doing it, the whole room is laughing, having fun. And did you grin at all or laugh during those scenes? No, I was disgusted but like during the, just like the montage of them, just like like, just like kind of like other people laughing.
Speaker 1:I was really uncomfortable the whole time. I thought that was the point of the movie.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:We haven't necessarily said, but I think the whole point of the movie was and today's day and age you are, you could have no control of your body, be in a situation where you're completely vulnerable. Someone is like abusing your body even. Someone is hurting you or doing something to you and everyone in the room would claim to be your friend, but they're recording it rather than actually taking action to like help you, oh yeah. And then like, oh, but then it like it hits that moment where it's too serious and then people start trying to help get sep in and help, but, like, the whole time is just like no, this was serious all along. Like, and if you really think about it, it's like it's a very invasive premise of like, what would you do if, like you know, you kind of went with the flow and then you know, honestly, the thing I could think about I'm not like I was ever at like big sex parties, right.
Speaker 2:But like the biggest thing.
Speaker 1:I think about is, like you know, kind of spin the bottle, dare stuff and then like one person like another person, but then like that other person takes it too far and everyone else is laughing about it and filming it on their phones and the other person is like kind of in a position where they're not able to stop it and only if, when it becomes like, oh wait, that person is getting hurt now and being violated and it's not funny anymore to record it, then maybe someone will step in and do something. But we even see then like, a lot of people don't do anything, they total inaction. You know what I mean, and I think that was more the commentary of like. In today's day and age, people are slower to take action and do something that is friendly and supportive and quicker to chase clout and like be a part of the crowd.
Speaker 2:I would say my feelings through it and there was specifically some scenes that were like obviously dark and evil. But then there were a couple scenes during that where it's just like the kids are just laughing. It's that one scene where they're just like they're all doing it all night, like speaking French. Yeah, they're all just like doing funny stuff, dancing. It's almost like a ridiculous game of charades going on. And then everybody in the room has these like happy faces and like calm, no one's scared, they're enjoying themselves, type thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was the best one yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was so cool. You know, let's go, you know, like into, like the. I felt myself just being a little bit pulled back and forth between the two, just like really, you're starting to get swept up in the moment a little Just from like the straight, because the what I would say would be the contagiousness or persuasiveness of smiles and laughter. Right, just like. That was a genuine laugh that they probably for the camera were telling a joke and just laughing on the couches and it was genuine good hearted Right, right. And then it's like bringing you as the viewer kind of like in to what they're experiencing. But then very quickly you're also, you're very quickly pulling yourself back out like no, they're playing with some bad stuff.
Speaker 1:It would be very hard for me to not want to try it. Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying is doing this scene.
Speaker 2:It's like. It's like the peer pressure.
Speaker 1:I just think about this scenario and like my own, like my Christian faith, versus my own rationality about drugs and stuff like that and like the effects of the individual holding that hand, I don't think are beyond the capability of drugs Right, so would you grab if you is like, would you rather?
Speaker 2:like that hand or do heroin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like it's definitely dramatized. Like, right, you know like grabbing the hand and immediately the like back breaking, lurch backwards and kind of suffocation, right, like that is definitely like a dramatization. But, bro, if you just palm that hand with some LSD and people grabbed it and were like what's going on? And like you know it slowly absorbed in their skins, like that dilated pupil, look that like confusion, slurring, behaving very differently, giggles, like all of that I think is very like, especially like if you think about, like the way bath salts made people behave oh yeah, you know what I mean Like I would be, I'd be like look, if everyone's saying it's not a drug, then I got to try it because there's no way I really believe. I just watched, you know, the last 15 people get possessed by demons.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Like that'd be, that like and I'm someone who believes in demons, right, I believe in Ouija board stuff and I believe, right, don't mess around, right but like I would be so skeptical of this being like, not a, a faked clout chase thing that I'd want to, I'd want to try it, which is weird because I detested the idea of, like, letting a child try it. You know, it is very like it feels like something that takes away innocence that was there before and is gone now, hence why it gets passed around from party to party. You know, stuff like that which I don't know, I don't, I don't like that part of me, but I do think I'd try it. I'd want to, at least just once to know.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, because they're all one and like even the beginning of it, she doesn't think it's real.
Speaker 1:She's like it's all faking on the you because it's all tick, tock videos, tick tock BS.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. And then you find out the hard way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, would you do it, pat? Would you give it a try, like if you think, if like, let's just say, we get our, we get our 10 closest friends and someone brings it and they're horsing around about it, and then we see like a couple other friends like buy into it and horse, and like how would you believe it wasn't them joking around, dude it'd be so hard for me to believe it.
Speaker 2:Right that interesting conversation with somebody the other day who we were speaking about like spiritual realms and these sorts of things, and especially around like psychedelics, and the psychedelics are becoming invoked for people to use as a way to heal themselves from different traumas and these things Right. And this person's position on it, if I was understanding correctly, was basically like yes, it open, I set this up, set this up right. So the some people would say, you know, hey, man, that's just rewiring your brain or that's that's just messing you up, or you know, it's not something you want to mess with. What this person was saying was no, this does open you up to that realm, like other people like no, it's not pretty different realm, which is but making your mind see colors. He's yeah, this person is saying no, no, this opens you to this space in this realm. We're not meant to go there though. Yeah, that was the, that was the other way. It was like oh wait. No, he's like yeah, this opens up to this place, spiritual realm, yeah, you see stuff. But like this is not a place we are meant to like venture to, because in one sense of being like okay, you could have some experience, it is maybe wildly healing, but at the same time, I was, I was starting to view it as like taking the castle, like gates, down. That's what you're like in these, in these sorts of things, like you are pulling down the castle walls, you're pulling down your defenses and opening yourself up to the whole spectrum, and which is what we see in this movie, where we see, you know, one person just does it and it's funny and fun and haha, that was hilarious. You were speaking French or you were dancing like an old Russian Spetsnaz guy. That's hilarious. Over to like they took your soul. Yeah, like you know. And so what does your thing about Riley when he starts to? I thought when he started to harm himself, I thought he had maybe done something in his past that was horrible. No one knew about.
Speaker 1:Really yeah. Part of me thought it was Riley like look, the people who are making the rules seem like the most untrustworthy people. I'll say this the fact that Haley and Joss didn't get absolutely wrecked by some demon pissed me off I wanted them to die so bad, oh yeah, and I don't even know how that would have looked in the movie, but like I really wanted them to get it. When it comes, though, to Riley, I thought Riley was the one possibly trying to kill himself, right, because, like, maybe they were wrong about the rules and Riley's just like if I die, this ends the long like you keep me alive, the longer they're going to get to have me.
Speaker 2:Right, I think that came, that is. I think that was the case when, when it's revealed later on, you know that he's under this torment. But I thought at first like he was. I'll say I think I was wrong.
Speaker 1:I think if they killed him, like if Mia had killed him, thrown him into traffic at the end of the movie, right, I think he would have been lost forever. I think I just thought that might have been the twist at one point in the movie. Oh, but I don't think it was the twist.
Speaker 2:Right, because I was thinking that he had been visited by his, a victim of his like. Because, like, when the Kangaroo needs to get ran over by the car and he's like, take, put it out of its misery. These things I did, I had, I took this thing down a weird.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say, bro, you're going deep, we could go on, we could get a hold of it. Hey man, I'm just saying. I'm just saying we have the time for you to give a five minute spiel.
Speaker 2:I thought he was visited by her mom and he was involved in her death in some weird slash innocent way, like maybe not like he was somehow involved in her death and that's when he or she started beating his head against the wall. I don't know that's where I was. I thought it was gonna head into like there was more to his story.
Speaker 1:Part of me thinks. Here's one thing I believe from the movie. I don't there's not many grounds to go on. I do believe that the spirit of Mia's mom, fiona, got trapped within Riley and also other other spirits or demons came like a flare in the dark of night and took took Riley and took advantage of it right, and that when Mia tries to contact her mom after Riley's possession, it's not her mom, it's things that know like she's not around anymore and they can use it. Because I genuinely believe the suicide letter that her dad was holding out on was real.
Speaker 2:Like I don't think he made it up right.
Speaker 1:He never showed any signs of being harmful.
Speaker 2:You know, even like he was just like a dad even after getting necked.
Speaker 1:Yeah like he didn't have any signs of like discontent towards her or anything. I'll also say I was so happy he was alive dude, me too, like with the fact that he walked like what a shitty day, like your daughter threw herself into traffic. But like I was so happy she didn't kill him because like he did not deserve it.
Speaker 2:He seemed like such a caring dad. Yeah, like, because the the scary secret keeping Violent guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've lashed out at her when she did that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or maybe even the normal person.
Speaker 2:Right, like he was, like his, he was like, so like Caught off guard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that I guess to like you know, that's my theory. Like I said nothing really concrete for it, I just think, like because it sounds like Mia's mom is in Riley when the other thing shows up and takes over Riley right. And then afterwards Mia's mom is like sane lies. You know, Mia's mom is saying like I didn't do that, Don't believe him. He's not, it's not really him, it's them. And it's like why would he make up a suicide letter for Mia's mom that doesn't track?
Speaker 2:you know you're later yeah but Debate at the end.
Speaker 1:Did Jade shove Mia into traffic or did Mia get a last-minute Self-control and throw herself into traffic?
Speaker 2:because it's never shown. I think it's just what we see is Jade grabs the wheelchair and pulls Riley back. I think it's just left to the I.
Speaker 1:Pardon me things. Jade tossed her and, dude, I think Jade's shoulder checked Mia into traffic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's one of those like the friendship was already toast. I think it's kind of like the the case from pulp fiction, oh, like we just don't get to know what it like, what it was. That's why they didn't show it, you know, think about this dude. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:You mean, we're good at buds, right.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I call you and I say things aren't okay. Yeah, something's wrong. Yeah, your sister is in the hospital.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Likely due to some circumstance I was involved in. Maybe you kind of partially blame me right. Mm-hmm, you wrote to my house. Yeah, mombo, putain de butel. What if I've been calling her?
Speaker 2:Billy Gene, I like I think I was Billy idle, but my wife Billy Gene is a.
Speaker 1:Next stabbed right right and it's clear like I probably had something involved with it. Do you think you're gonna roll back to the hospital and just be chill about it, or do you think you're gonna chuck me out the window? I Chuck you out the window, bro. He will not even debate. Okay, all right, so so past, my friend but he stabbed his wife in the neck, maybe out of panic, I don't know.
Speaker 2:but I'm not letting him be in the hospital right right with my wife, but I think it's just one. They didn't show if she had time to like bro big.
Speaker 1:She stabbed him at night.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I mean in the moment, in the moment of the no in the moment of the, the very specific, like four seconds, of Mia and traffic and the and her grabbing and Jade grabbing the wheelchair.
Speaker 1:They just don't show you're right, it is non-disclosure her running down the hill.
Speaker 2:You know the reason I believe, yeah, chuck Doreen, is because Jade saw me had stabbed her own dad, but then at the same time it's like that just takes away from our like main character.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing, though. Now all right go ahead.
Speaker 2:I want you to go on before I. Before I say I would say this I Think Jade did throw her in because of this, because of the confusion. She woke up in the confusion, yeah, like that was just being like for sure, versus being like. Oh yeah, I remember jumping in front of that truck you know Other than that?
Speaker 1:they just don't tell us she definitely was confused when she looked at her bent fingers.
Speaker 2:That was that. But even if you've made a conscious decision to jump in front of a truck, maybe you forget about, you're gonna forget about some stuff.
Speaker 1:The. The thing about some of these a24 movies is like the movie hereditary. Ari Aster said that he wanted to make a movie from the perspective of Isaac from the perspective of the sacrificial lamb. Hmm, but they just don't know it yet. Hmm, and there's like this weird feeling of Forboding when you're watching hereditary, of like people watching people doing odd things just on the perimeter of the family, never explained, and by the end of it, everyone in the family is a victim. Hmm, everyone in the family is like no one survives, no one gets out, and what you realize is like holy smokes, yeah, that is a sacrificial lamb. Because the sacrificial lamb doesn't get out, uh-huh, you know, in the Bible Isaac is spared by God. Mm-hmm, but like, technically speaking, like it was only moments right, you know it's like with that, a24 definitely takes like a very unique perspective for the horror films and I think this one was the perspective of, like the, the Person who is the Villain, the possessed villain. Mm-hmm because, like there's a good chance, mia. I mean, if you time it in the scene several times, she goes over 90 seconds right and no one's there to blow out the candle. It's not even shown sometimes if people blow out the candle right all the time.
Speaker 2:Well, when she does it solo, you're like who's blowing it out? Yeah, who's pulling the hand off?
Speaker 1:you're just going in deep. It's so, like, with that, like I think the movie is from the perspective of, of. We don't think Mia is the villain, mm-hmm, because she's the protagonist, she's our, she's our main, you know, vehicle through the narrative mm-hmm. That said, if she's not in full control and you think about it, if you were watching this from the like, jade's the main character, mm-hmm, dude, mia is the villain Mia is the threat. Oh yeah, you know what I mean, and I think that's like what this movie really is is like we just rode first person in the, in the possessed, you know, perspective, rather than from the the protagonist perspective, right, so I don't. What do you, what do you think about that?
Speaker 2:I agree. I agree because throughout the whole movie you know she's also Kind of still into the boyfriend. Mm-hmm, she's there is that she gets the, she gets the little brother into trouble, yeah, and then you know, and she's the aggressor.
Speaker 1:I will say, though, that scene with just her and Riley Belting it out in the car, mm-hmm, was so relatable dude like that gave me chills of excitement because I was just like I've been there, man. That felt so real and authentic of just like you pick up one friend Mm-hmm, in five minutes you were both singing at the top of your lungs, mm-hmm. Or just like Headbanging so hard you can't see the break lights in front of you. Yeah, like, it's just like one of those things of like I, I felt very immediate, like from that moment on, I felt very connected to both Riley and Mia and cared a lot about them, because I've that one moment of them just having pure joy and bliss in the car, mm-hmm, without any care of the world, was so relatable. Yeah, oh, yeah, well, uh, pat, I got a little bit of trivia here, not much just because there's not much for like a short horror film that's like a debut. But the directors, danny and Michael, turned down the chance to direct. They didn't name the film, but they said they turned down the opportunity to direct a DC EU Film which is, like you know, the DC universe, like Batman, superman, flash. They turned down the opportunity of filming, of directing one of those in favor of having talked to me, be their debut film. I already mentioned this, but they got started on their YouTube channel rocker rocker. If you got time, definitely go look up rocker rocker's Harry Potter versus Star Wars or Ronald McDonald versus Wendy. Hmm, because I was kind of their cup of tea, of like taking kind of millennial 90s icons from like TV or movies and just making them fight each other to the death. It is so brutal bro. Yeah they like I can't tell you how many times those seems like they trashed their house for a video. And then, lastly, though it's never explicitly stated, it's heavily implied that the ghosts of Mia's mother is in fact the drowned ghost that Mia first gets season, gets possessed by. That possession goes over 90 seconds, which she is told will make the ghosts want to stay, and then, several times, during appearances of Mia's mother, the sound of water is prominent on the soundtrack and in her final scenes, mia's mother begins to pure, waterlogged and bloated like the drowned woman which I thought that in the last time we see her mother, I was like dang. Her mom looks fatter, hmm, and like it looked like the face was bloated, right?
Speaker 2:I guess my two thoughts would be then either one Did she, then she. She met a murderous demise, right like Her mom did, right like, like if she was just like Dumped in a river or whatever.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I don't think her mom was Drowned. I think, the drowned woman was pretending to be Mia's mother.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's the insinuation. Oh, I see, I would think that the I think the mom got in and the other things got in because she grabbed the hand with Riley. If you see, if you watch, if you go back and watch it Before, and while Riley starts banging his head, she's holding the hand for a while and then it gets weird for a second and then then she gets off of it. Hmm, that would be my life. It looked like the mom grabbed Riley's no no, no, mia grabbed the ghost the ghost the oh yeah, the.
Speaker 1:The hand, yeah, the me and Riley's hand.
Speaker 2:Yep, I think I'd say that's when stuff was, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know well, pat, give me a final thoughts on Talk to me. Yeah, I thought film premise overall as a horror movie, as a movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd love to ask these guys if they Based some of their stuff off of the 1990s movie flatliners.
Speaker 1:Hmm, I bet. I mean that was a cult classic of the 90s, yeah, like with a bunch of friends.
Speaker 2:Basically, what they're doing is, I think they're doctors, right? Or like resident students, and they've found a way to like they die, they get on a table, stop their heart rate, die and then they get resuscitated, yeah, and like they get kind of too in too deep with it. Some of them get a little addicted to it, some of them like it gets too far for him. So I was wondering about flat liners and this one. It had a flat liners vibe. Yeah to me. And then Then there's also this movie from 1999 idle hands.
Speaker 1:Oh, Dude that like stoner movie stoner movie yeah with the with the hand. I was wondering that was a pretty good one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with where the. I was waiting for the hand to start moving like an idle hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I swore in the trailers, it did move. Hmm, you know what I mean. When I saw the trailer it looked like it gripped on and right. You know, thumb ward a little bit right.
Speaker 2:I was waiting for it to go that way too. So those are two movies I thought of while watching this one. Overall, I think you know, if you like horror movies, this one's a fine one to watch and the it doesn't. It didn't just use copious amounts of like fake blood and some like sea level movie, you know it's. You know it's not a blockbuster film. It's not the next exorcist, that's okay, you know. And it's not. And it's also not filled with over-the-top Too much over-the-top stuff either. It'll give you a scare. I had to go out to my car during the middle of it. I didn't enjoy that trip.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:I felt like something was looking at me. How'd he get back downstairs fast and turn on the lights as I went and off as I went? You know? You know, that method Do you?
Speaker 1:run up the stairs on all hands and yeah, like hands, it like these, like dog. They just run up there.
Speaker 2:No dude, you got it. It's always. You're reaching for the light first before you get out there, you know yeah get out there. But so, yeah, you know, it gives you a, it'll give that a chemical rush to your body, and as well as I could, I'd say for me, though, I could probably take it or leave it. Okay, in this realm, you know sure, yeah.
Speaker 1:So no thumbs up, no thumbs down, just a flat liner.
Speaker 2:I'm tea. I'm teetering between a zero and a one. It's like I need a point five. I'll say this.
Speaker 1:I'll say this you can't do a point five.
Speaker 2:I know, you know, we only have two thumbs. I know.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna give it a one thumb up and the reason I do is because I was talking about with Billy Jean. I looked around mm-hmm at this scene which the Riley's trying to pull his eye out yeah, and the scene where the old lady crawls out of the corner, yeah, and both times Five out of the six people in the room were not looking at Because they were hiding, like face down behind a blanket pillow up just check my phone. No like, no like. Not even that, like not even trying to be cool like everyone would, just talking, like you know, just like hiding there is. It's so like I looked at that and I was like I was the only person watching the TV. Other than like checking my friends faces to see what their reaction is, and it did that successfully. Mm-hmm and it made me excited, without being the standard Violent gore fanfare. So I think I think if they can do this with this movie, mm-hmm, I still think it deserves an R rating for the content and stuff in the language. But, like, if they can do that and it's more based on story and tension rather than the visuals of violence or Disturbia, cuz I'm gonna give it a thumb up for sure because then I'm excited about what they can do.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean what they can do down the line because I wasn't like oh, the black guy died first. Oh, nope, they left the shotgun again. Yeah, they, oh, they had a chance to get in the car and they didn't like that whole thing, like every horror movie Is just like the whole time you're thinking about how like does everything is yeah, like that wasn't the case in this one. This one you're kind of, you're engaged the whole time, you're thinking about what's happening and all that.
Speaker 1:So and I don't say that to try to change your vote, but I am gonna, I think, like debut film, they successfully did something so many other people can't do after decades of practice. Oh yeah, so I'm gonna give it a thumb up.
Speaker 2:The. I think I agree, because I will give it a one thumb. Oh, so you're switching to the because when I was thinking about the, I said I was in between. I know you said you're in between, but I know if I have, because the thing about the like there was never a point in the movie where I was like bashing my head against the wall thinking about why are they making this dumb choice? Besides the fact of like as like an adult now being like yeah, don't touch the hand.
Speaker 1:You know or?
Speaker 2:whatever. But like you know, there wasn't that Standard horror movie stuff. It's different. Yeah, good take. So yeah, all right. Well, hey, there you go.
Speaker 1:Ken heard it here for our Halloween bruising reviews episode. The beer left-hand breweries. Wake up dead Gets two thumbs up, one from each of us and our film for this year's Halloween special. Talk to me two thumbs up, so definitely give them both a check out. You can watch them on any kind of streaming service, I think I think, if I remember talk to me on Amazon, google, youtube. Yeah, I think those are the main places and I wake up dead is in most of your, probably like big liquor stores. So grab them both and Enjoy a good night on us. Mm-hmm but Pat any Halloween farewells.
Speaker 2:You know I Don't trick or treat anymore. I do now, though, because I have kids, so, but for those of you going out tomorrow, fill up the pillowcase. You know, all the way to the top. Don't stop till it's full. That's what I would say.
Speaker 1:Thank you All right, ken, till next time.
