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What happens when you blend the joys of dog ownership with the chaos of unpredictable life events? We welcome a very special guest—my dog, Takani—to help us navigate this question. Takani’s gentle nature and calm demeanor serve as a perfect example of what responsible dog ownership looks like, as we explore how proper training and thoughtful care can make a world of difference. Pat shares his first impressions of meeting Takani, and we discuss the subtle art of using training tools that guide without harm. From managing anxiety-induced chewing to overcoming car ride fears, we share practical strategies that reflect both the challenges and rewards of raising a canine companion.

But our journey doesn’t stop at the joys of dog ownership. An unexpected encounter with a homeless man named Brandon leads us down a path of empathy and humanity, sparking a conversation about societal unpredictability and kindness. The episode then takes a thrilling turn as we recount a wedding weekend disrupted by a house fire scare, complete with humorous anecdotes about evacuating in pajamas and the generosity of a wealthy neighbor who opens his home during the chaos. These stories highlight the unpredictable and multifaceted nature of life, weaving together elements of drama, humor, and reflection.

We also tackle a variety of societal issues, ranging from the frustrations of the American healthcare system to the rise of vigilantism. Personal stories and thought-provoking discussions offer insights into the complexities of these topics, with reflections on how societal pressures can drive individuals to extreme measures. Whether it’s contemplating life insurance in a hypothetical apocalyptic scenario or exploring the moral complexities of vigilantism, each topic invites listeners to engage with the deeper questions of societal dynamics and individual values. Join us for a whirlwind of stories and insights that promise to captivate and inspire.

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Chapters

00:49 - Dog Training and Ownership Insights

07:57 - Dealing With Dog Behavioral Issues

11:38 - Encounter With a Homeless Man

21:04 - Airbnb Wedding Turns Fiery

30:46 - The Airbnb Fiasco and Wealthy Neighbors

41:57 - Lockouts and Problem Solving

52:02 - Public Reaction to Alleged Crime

01:05:11 - Healthcare System Frustrations and Ethical Dilemmas

01:10:15 - The American Healthcare System

01:14:08 - Healthcare System and Greed

01:29:49 - Healthcare System Reform and Ethics

01:37:33 - Impact of Vigilantism in Society

01:51:29 - Political Commentary on Gun Rights

02:02:21 - Contemplating Life Insurance and Vigilantism

02:09:26 - Vigilantism and Gift Recommendations

Transcript
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Welcome to the Mick and Pat show.

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I'm Mick.

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And I'm Pat.

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And we're coming just a couple weeks before Christmas.

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Hopefully y'all have listened to our gift giving and guide episode for getting that man in your life a gift this holiday season.

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We're joined by a special guest this evening Manning your life a gift this holiday season.

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We're joined by a special guest this evening my dog Takani, who is just chomping on her black Kong and trying to get the chicken out of it.

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Pat, this is your first time meeting a dog ever in real life, the first the first, the very first one.

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If this was the very first dog I ever met in real life, I will say I'd be terrified Because of how big they are, because of the size, yeah, and the ability that this beast has.

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Now, since it's not the first dog I've ever met, I'm not terrified.

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I actually think this is a great dog.

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Thanks, man.

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Over the years I think I've expressed some of my strong opinions about dogs and dog ownership.

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Yeah, I'm not anti-dog I think we both have, though I think we both have expressed how we're anti miss, miss.

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Uh what?

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How would you say?

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Like just not actually training your dog?

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yeah, bad dog ownership, bad dog ownership bad, you know bad dog owners I'm not a fan of.

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Yeah, um, you know, and so yeah, but the uh, this dog walked in here, she, uh, she came over to me, she greeted me, but by slowly walking over and just putting her face near me, yeah, which is the perfect introduction from a dog, instead of either, you know, barking, jumping up and down, jumping up on you licking, uh, you know, getting super hyper.

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Um, she really couldn't care less if I was here or not, but she was happy to come get a pet.

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So yeah and now, uh, yeah, she's just working on that, uh, that last piece of chicken.

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She's trying to roll it out of there and I love, like you can, the way she moves.

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Funny, like she is still a puppy, even though how is this like an 80 pound dog she's at least now, but like she's gonna thicken out yeah, I think she, I think she will.

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We still walk her like over five miles a day, yeah, to just try to like get the energy out.

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Um and uh, yeah she's.

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I think she'll put on a little bit more weight, but I don't think she'll put much more on, because we're like overfeeding her right now to try to catch her up right, because once we got her, her ribs were showing and her back was a lot more like bonier yeah so, but once, once she gets that healthy, healthy weight, we're gonna cut it back and just give her what the doctor recommended.

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Scoops are.

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But then she'll still, over the next year, still get a little thicker.

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I think she'll get a little bit wider hips and a little bit stockier shoulder plates.

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You know what I mean, because apparently their bones aren't done grown yet and you can't run with them until they're, or play super hard with them, get, taking them full speed, like yeah, you're not supposed to.

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Like run them up and down the stairs a ton, or, like, you know, wrestle with them too much.

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Uh, now we do wrestle and she's great at and very gentle and she's very, very like she's learned how, learned how to do the gentle teething on your leg or your arm to play around.

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But apparently when they're fully grown, you can essentially tackle them down a mountain, throw them around.

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Yeah, tackle them and good work, because we're up some stairs.

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Thanks, man how did it go with these ones?

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she got halfway up them and then it was like a cat, where she just laid across at the middle and just was like laid down, looked at me and was like, can we please not go up anymore?

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And I was like, no, we're going, come on.

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And you know, I didn't have to pull her up, but I just kind of go, I go up a couple stairs and that puts, uh, the leash puts tension on her collar and her collar is not like gonna choke her out, but it, but it cinches when she tries to pull away.

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And so you, the whole training method is like you know, you go until there's tension on the collar, so that way they feel it and they know the direction you want them to go.

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And if they fight it and try to go the opposite direction, then it starts cinching uncomfortably and they like they know the moment they stop doing that it relieves tension and then it's an incentive, you know, to come to you and go the direction you're going, comfortable.

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But like a lot of people on the way back those collars, you're trying to suffocate your dog and choke it out.

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I'm like, no, because you, you, you don't pull like if you, if you walked with that leash and you were just dragging her around and constantly yanking or pulling on it.

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That would actually breed a really aggressive dog that would be like fearful and, you know, scared of you, right, and so, um, and not like, and not like respectfully scared of you or respectfully fearful, but a dog.

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That's like I'm confused, I'm scared and I'm going to bite you because I don't want to, I don't want you to be near me.

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Um, so you just kind of make sure that, like it's just enough of like a indication.

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It's kind of like I think like the best way to think about it is like imagine someone tied a rope through your belt loops and if you ran away from them it's cinch and you would know it's tight around your waist and hips and you're not going anywhere If you keep pulling this direction, right, and actually the harder you pull, the more uncomfortable it's going to get, but you're not gonna die, you know what I mean.

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And so that in the moment you stop trying to run away, you feel tension immediately release, and so then it's like, okay, all right, if I go this way, oh, if I go over here, there's no tension.

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So that's kind of how we get her to like not pull on the leash, because she is a big dog and she could rip my arm out.

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Yeah, um, but that's also how, like, we get her up the stairs too.

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Um, but, dude, it's gotten to the point now at home where she will come down just to check on me and say hi I'll be working in my basement office okay and she just loves to come down say hello, realizes I'm boring and working yeah

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and she's like, okay, well, this is just as boring as what mom's doing.

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So then she'll go upstairs and just see mom and she's like you both are boring, and then she'll just go play with her toys.

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Wow, but like it's a huge improvement over like the last couple weeks.

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And she's like very happy to come down.

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Like whenever she comes down the stairs she's like so happy to see me.

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It's like weird, it's a really weird thing.

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It's like she's I don't know if she knows I'm down there and she's just coming to see yeah, and she's so happy when I am.

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You know, yeah, I'm like dude, I've been down here for like eight hours.

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So it's like what do you expect?

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That's fun.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, she's a good dog.

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Yes, she's a good dog and, uh, it's good to have a good dog.

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Bad dogs can just be so draining, stressful.

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It's like like you're always like worried about them running off.

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You know you always have to like this, whatever, like pooping on the carpet, right away buying people whatever it's like just a pain.

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So she is.

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Uh, we're noticing she's got a little bit of a chewing problem, but that's more than anything I think they say.

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From what I read online, that's like a puppy anxiety thing with separation.

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Hence why?

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she's here tonight.

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Did she make a no-no while you were gone?

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She.

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One day I came downstairs and within 10 minutes of Billie Jean having left after walking her oh no, sorry, billie Jean didn't have time to walk her, she was running late for work, so she lefty jean didn't have time to walk her, she was running late for work, so she left the house, didn't have time to feed her.

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And then I go downstairs and like in that window of 10-15 minutes she had opened her bed and pulled all the stuffing out.

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Which is okay, it's a dog bed, it's not the couch.

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Um, but then another time we were gone.

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Oh, we were gone this last, uh, sunday for a friendsgiving thing uh-huh pie contest and we're looking on the camera.

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Everything was fine within the 15 minutes of like, not looking at the camera and driving home opening the door, tissue box torn open and just kleenex, everywhere, all right um.

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I think she has a huge, huge fascination for snow.

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She loves snow.

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When.

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I walk her with snow out like on the ground, like fresh snow, she will walk with her tongue open and mouth open and just shovel snow into her mouth and she loves to like lay out and splay her legs and just slide around on it.

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She just thinks it's a blast.

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So part of me thinks like Kleenex and stuffing, it just seems like snow to her because when I, when we went there like and I was we got home I was pulling kleenex out of her gums.

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Oh yeah, I'm like okay, I don't know if this was like a destruction fun or like a oh, I can eat this fun.

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You know, so, but she's picked up a couple shoes.

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She's picked up the remote in my phone.

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She hasn't destroyed any of them, but I did notice this morning there are definitely some like what is this marks on the remote?

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Yeah, and it's like if she wanted to destroy and break it it would have been, but like I think she tasted it to try to understand what it was.

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And none of our shoes are wrecked, but she has picked them up and moved them around a couple of times.

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So it's like one of those things of like, all right, let's, let's bring her around with her.

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And also this is good practice because it helps her get over anxiety in the car.

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We throw her in the hatchback of the Subaru and she whimpers and then realizes you know nothing about her situation is going to change and it's best to just lay down and ride.

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I mean, she's getting better every time in the car and if we bring her to podcasts every week, then eventually she'll be super chill with that.

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She'll be better with the stairs and she's a good guess.

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I guess she just sits there quietly, not disrupting us.

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But that's kind of the plan right now.

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Until we can, I think what we're going to try to do is that bitter spray.

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You just spray it on stuff that it's like non-scented organic, so it's not like poison, but it's a special flavor that dogs just hate.

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And you spray it on your pillows, you spray it on your shoes and they just realize like the moment they lick it they're like oh, it doesn't make them throw up, but it makes it's like a nasty flavor to dogs.

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They don't want to be around it anymore.

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Yeah.

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And that's just a good thing to do.

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You don't even have to like spray it on every shoe, you just spray it on the shoes that the dog's going to, and then the dog realizes sooner than later oh, I shouldn't put shoes in my mouth, mouth it tastes bad, so but anyways, that's, uh, that's the doggy stuff.

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Um pat, you got any stories?

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I got I got like three stories loaded up that I forgot to tell you about or that like have happened, that I want to you know so this is a short one that I was late to the getting to the podcast because I was cruising here, coming down down the road that's coming over the big bridge, and uh, I'm kind of just like cruising, listening to my podcast, not my own podcast, listen to someone else's podcast, yeah.

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But uh, and I, kind of out of the corner, I'm like, as I'm I'm turning, this bridge curves to the left as you come around it and there's like bushes and statues and stuff in it, and so I'm like, oh, a statue.

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And I was like, oh, that statue's kind of in the road and I was like, oh, I think that's a person, you know.

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And so I then I'm like this was a person.

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So I'm coming in hot, I put my brakes on, put my hazards on, and there's a guy stumbling just dead middle of the lane, really, yeah.

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And so I turned my hazards on and actually block the whole roads.

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Dude, it's great to have a big truck, yeah, because people just have to do what you say sometimes so I was like, put my hazards on, went diagonal on the road.

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Yeah, block the whole road for a second.

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There weren't that many cars.

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We're just like, listen, we gotta not kill this guy for the moment, you know, yeah.

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And then I was like, hey, you know, and he's like he, he was really stumbling around and you, you know, not in good shape and uh, uh, clearly transient is like yeah, someone, someone take me to the hospital you know, I'm like all right, you know, like what's going on.

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I'm not right, man, I'm not right, not right.

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So I'm like all right, well, get in.

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So really, yeah, so you gave him a ride to the hospital, well, so, yeah, so I load him up as he's getting in, and then at that point I'd pulled, I was only in one lane, yeah, um, with the hazards on, and uh, he's like getting in the car, like about to get in the car, and this lady comes by and rolls the window down and just screams you can't be parked here.

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Uh, yeah, I know, I can't park on the road, like on a bridge.

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Yeah, anyways, I'd like to refer to her as what I think she, what she is the dumb bitch.

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Dumb bitch, you know.

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Scream it like, takes the time to roll around and yell that at me.

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I'm just like, whatever I like to say, it didn't get to me, but kind of got to me just like in the middle of like doing a good Samaritan thing.

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Yeah, just like and it it helped my perspective too, just being like, yeah, like, all right, like some people, man, whatever some people's mothers grandmothers yeah, f them.

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So got the man in there and then he's like, wait, I I clicked on all my like cabin lights, um, kept my like, kept some winter roll down, start driving.

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I had a flip of ue and like, as we're going, like he starts, like he like puts a hand, like in his pocket, you know, and I'm like, hey, man, like uh, I didn't say that, but I was like like hey, just like, let's like keep our hands out of our pockets.

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You know, he's like oh, I'm not doing, I'm not doing anything, like shoots it out, like because, like he's somebody who's probably had encounters with police before and and like you could, he was like she's saying I'm not doing, I'm not doing anything, you know, and I'm like it's all right, it's all right, you know, it's okay, let's just like, let's just take it easy.

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You know, yeah, I'm flipping u-turn, headed to the hospital, and then he's talking about, um, his dog.

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He lost his dog, he can't find his dog, shit, and that's his, his main thing.

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He's starting to lose his mind and so, as we're going to, then he says, you know, and then he keeps like, and then he reaches down again, kind of, and I can see he's trying to get his seat belt on.

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Oh, you know, it's like, okay, that's fine, but he's reaching, you know, I'm like, hey, you know, and I kept looking down and he could tell I was looking.

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And you know, he's like I just want to put my seat belt on, like, okay, that's fine.

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Then he takes his whole quilt.

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He has a quilt blanket around his head, around his neck, he like puts the whole thing up where I can't see and puts it over his head and he's messing around.

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And then I was like, hey, man, like you just gotta like like keep your hands where I can see him, you know.

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And he's like I'm not doing anything, not doing anything I got.

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If we're getting a wreck, I don't want to die.

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You know, it's funny, a certain like bro, you're just walking in the middle of the road.

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Yeah, this is way safer than what you're doing before.

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Anyway, his name was Brandon, oh, brandon, and he started talking about his dog and, as we're getting close to the hospital, he's like actually just dropped me at this Mexican restaurant.

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That's where I lost my dog.

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I'm like, all right, which is near the hospital.

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So I pulled over and he would not get out of the car.

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Dude, really, I mean, he was just like I didn't give any like very clear, firm, like get out of the vehicle.

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But it was just like hey, man, this is where you want to be.

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He's like, yeah, and then he was telling me about you know the situation.

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It's sad, you know.

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He's like I don't want to stay at the homeless shelter, you know like.

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He's like he's like I've been sleeping under a bridge and people are fighting down there and I don't like being around fighting.

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And then he's like, yeah, and I don't want to go in the homeless shelter.

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People, I've been touched there before.

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I like getting touched, you know.

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I was like, yeah, I know all this stuff.

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And so I'm like I'm sorry, man, that sucks.

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And then he started crying because he lost his dog.

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He's like that's the only thing holding me together.

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And then he's like, oh my gosh, this dude like was like, how old was he?

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Um, probably 45 to 50.

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You know it's 35 to 55 kind of depending on length of time not length of time under a bridge, um, but um, yeah, so he's like and he's missing all his front, teeth and stuff and just bad shape.

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But um, he's like, I came here from wyoming to try to be safe and I keep getting touched and people are fighting me and I lost my dog and uh, it's like and I'm, um, you know, felt bad for him.

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He's like, he's like I don't even have clean underwear and all this stuff and but he kept getting locked in on the dog and he kept kind of doing that thing that you know, people are in a bad mental space do where he kept kind of like looking at me and telling me to give him his dog back also like you know, yeah, that kind of like I'm asking you, nicely, I'm asking you guys, you can give him my dog, like hey, I don't know where your dog is.

00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:31.102
I hope you find her.

00:16:31.123 --> 00:16:37.011
I don't have the dog but when we're slipping in between in and out of like reality and stuff, it's like okay, like time to get out of here.

00:16:37.011 --> 00:16:38.437
I gave him a 20.

00:16:38.437 --> 00:16:43.928
I don't know where he's gonna go do with it, but you know it was like know, threw him the 20 and then sent him.

00:16:43.928 --> 00:16:51.565
He finally got out of the car, shut the door and I headed on back to the podcast studio and you know, my heart went out to him.

00:16:51.565 --> 00:16:52.668
I felt bad for him.

00:16:52.668 --> 00:17:00.320
I did feel a little the two times he there's two times he reached, like with putting the blanket up, I did feel very uncomfortable.

00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:07.306
I was like all right, like you know just this and you know just this and you know you're just trying to get buckled.

00:17:07.306 --> 00:17:14.810
That's fine, but still you, he was definitely in a mental state that was he could do something he didn't mean to do yeah, yeah, that's always.

00:17:14.852 --> 00:17:22.107
The sad thing is like you gotta be so careful with just like the like.

00:17:22.107 --> 00:17:33.575
It is entirely, absolutely unpredictable and I've had, like you know, back in the day when I helped and, uh, worked in the sheriff department, would you know, be bringing people into intake?

00:17:33.575 --> 00:17:51.063
You should have no idea how they're gonna react, because they can be one way and like we had police all the time like be like, oh, this guy is totally uncooperative, he's spitting, freaking out or she's, you know, biting and trying to tear off her seatbelt and Pull on her cuffs or whatever, and saying she's gonna kill us.

00:17:51.063 --> 00:17:56.067
Saying she's got a gun In her pocket and I'm like, oh geez, well one, why didn't you pat him down?

00:17:56.067 --> 00:17:57.987
But, like you know, it's constantly like that stuff.

00:17:58.127 --> 00:18:04.259
And Then um the uh, and then they get there and they're totally cooperative and chill.

00:18:04.259 --> 00:18:16.633
And like they get there and they're totally cooperative and chill, and like they have no like desire to be uncooperative, you're like, okay, like they're just making a decision and they're flipping, you know, on a dime because they're just not healthy, yeah.

00:18:16.633 --> 00:18:17.755
Or it's the other way.

00:18:17.755 --> 00:18:19.204
It's like capitals.

00:18:19.204 --> 00:18:20.409
It was like this guy's chill, yeah.

00:18:20.409 --> 00:18:37.784
So find the whole time did a full pat down, took everything off him, and then we got to get him and he's like, he's like maybe it sets in for him for a moment, and they're like oh, I'm going to jail and they like lose their mind and they absolutely go.

00:18:37.903 --> 00:18:39.785
You know, batshit, and you're like, you're.

00:18:40.105 --> 00:18:54.253
And the people who are starting to, the people who are, you know, going a little crazy mental health issues or drugs, like once this switch can flip in them where they, when you, become the object of their issue.

00:18:54.253 --> 00:19:01.798
You know, for instance, like in his case a couple of times where he like thought that I could provide his dog back to him.

00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:11.752
I now I saw it flip twice in his eyes where I became wait, now you are the yeah, the bad guy yeah the issue, or like you know something to overcome.

00:19:11.772 --> 00:19:14.266
It's like, yeah, you've probably seen that happen too.

00:19:14.266 --> 00:19:24.527
Or it's like, all of a sudden, once they fixate on something and you're the thing keeping them from that thing, it can become a problem really fast, yeah, without a doubt.

00:19:27.369 --> 00:19:29.692
Anyways, pretty crazy stuff.

00:19:29.692 --> 00:19:31.854
That's interesting, bro.

00:19:31.854 --> 00:19:44.271
You didn't tell me that while we were just sitting here chilling, which is fine, but I just was like shocked that that was the real reason why you were running behind and I was just saving it for your first reactions.

00:19:44.271 --> 00:19:46.905
That's a good podcaster.

00:19:46.905 --> 00:19:55.400
Well, I guess I'll tell you this.

00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:59.731
Did I tell you about the JB's wedding up in Steamboat?

00:20:00.461 --> 00:20:01.326
You told me about some of it.

00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:03.523
Did I tell you about how the Airbnb caught on fire?

00:20:03.523 --> 00:20:04.726
No, all right, so we were up in.

00:20:04.726 --> 00:20:05.167
Steamboat.

00:20:05.167 --> 00:20:07.633
You talking about some of it.

00:20:07.633 --> 00:20:09.577
I tell you about how the airbnb caught on fire.

00:20:09.577 --> 00:20:10.420
No, all right.

00:20:10.420 --> 00:20:16.361
So uh, we're, we're up in steamboat.

00:20:16.361 --> 00:20:16.761
Really cool thing.

00:20:16.761 --> 00:20:17.643
My buddy had this super small wedding.

00:20:17.682 --> 00:21:04.490
Um, it was pretty much just the wedding party of like eight or nine people on either side and then it was family, like a close immediate family, and some grandparents, and then a few close friends, but I think in total it was like 45 or 50 people in its entirety, including bridegroom, family wedding party, and so most of us that were like in the wedding party, um, and just kind of like friends and stuff, stayed in the airbnb that we set up and, you know, laid out to be the uh, the actual wedding there was a giant, awesome a-frame windows just looking out over steamboats, you know, valley, the yampa, oh yeah and uh, it was just gorgeous.

00:21:05.934 --> 00:21:27.226
and then, um, after the wedding, you know, we take everything down and we're dancing or not really dancing that much, but like more, just like hanging out, eating food, enjoying time, drinking, and um, they, uh, jb and his new bride leave after the wedding to go to the hotel and steamboat where they were going to stay at before they caught their flight to St Lucia.

00:21:27.226 --> 00:21:30.721
And we're hanging out and stuff and they leave.

00:21:30.721 --> 00:21:34.548
And then, you know, it's just now, just friends and wedding party enjoying this.

00:21:34.548 --> 00:21:36.685
Just insane, unreal.

00:21:36.685 --> 00:21:45.344
Bedrooms up top, each bedroom had its own bathroom and shower, and then it was like five bedrooms in the basement.

00:21:45.344 --> 00:22:04.670
One was a master, everything had its own bathroom and shower, then there was the sauna in the basement, the gym, and then the main level had like the double kitchen living room area and like serious oh yeah, there's attached to car garage.

00:22:05.171 --> 00:22:41.651
Um, and the uh back had a big held hot tub and so, uh, we go to bed saturday after some hot tubbing and are sleeping, and then I'm, just, you know, in la la land just dreaming, um, billy jean and I, just you know, had had a wonderful evening and just were in our uh, beauty sleep and then hear this frantic knock on our wooden door and I was like, I sit up immediately, just like it, like my, like I wear, I wear like a.

00:22:41.651 --> 00:22:45.480
Uh, this is how tactical I am you're a tactical sleeping mask.

00:22:46.143 --> 00:22:48.722
Yeah, no, seriously, I wear a sleeping mask over my eyes.

00:22:48.722 --> 00:22:54.393
That is Bluetooth connected to my phone so I can listen to my audio book comfortably.

00:22:54.393 --> 00:22:55.535
Oh, it's all connected.

00:22:55.535 --> 00:23:15.732
Yeah it's like the old school soft foam headphones that are built into the sleeping mask and so when you're not sleeping sleeping, you can just pull it up and it's just nice soft headphones you're looking like the reading rainbow guy from star trek yeah, yeah, exactly um, lavon burton, yeah, um, and so I.

00:23:16.153 --> 00:23:24.409
But like, every time I like wake up, it's like always like discombobulated across my whole face and crooked and all that um and so, um.

00:23:24.409 --> 00:23:29.263
And so I see billy jean leap up and she's like, she's in pajamas and it's pretty.

00:23:29.263 --> 00:23:30.406
You know she's decently dressed.

00:23:30.406 --> 00:23:32.800
I'm not, I'm just in skivvies.

00:23:32.800 --> 00:23:35.326
Um, I also have this problem, dude.

00:23:35.326 --> 00:23:38.173
Just side note, it's important for you to know this.

00:23:38.173 --> 00:23:45.094
I feel like not really, um, but I have this issue where my doing don't stay in my skivvies.

00:23:45.094 --> 00:23:52.465
Like I need to wear boxer briefs to keep it packed away because my normal boxers it just does not stay in there.

00:23:52.465 --> 00:23:53.829
Like, there's just no way.

00:23:53.829 --> 00:23:58.672
Like I've actually picked specific underwear if I'm staying in my in-laws and stuff.

00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:01.006
So that way, like in an emergency.

00:24:01.066 --> 00:24:04.258
I'm not just running around with my little Mick.

00:24:04.558 --> 00:24:06.340
Johnson flopping around.

00:24:07.924 --> 00:24:15.126
It's like a legit issue, bro, like I mean, like I can't I don't know why, but it just like doesn't stay in, um, and I just don't trust boxers anymore.

00:24:15.126 --> 00:24:19.694
Um, but uh, anywho, um.

00:24:19.694 --> 00:24:28.753
So she opens the door and it's our buddy uh, I'll just call him nuts, um, but it's our buddy nuts.

00:24:28.753 --> 00:24:32.205
And he's like hey, uh, house is on fire.

00:24:32.205 --> 00:24:35.532
I was like what, I don't know what, that you're right.

00:24:35.532 --> 00:24:37.343
He's like yeah, you gotta pack everything.

00:24:37.343 --> 00:24:40.131
Uh, and I was like I know there's fire extinguishers.

00:24:40.131 --> 00:24:42.183
He's like, okay, all right.

00:24:42.183 --> 00:24:44.871
And so, like part of me is like, is it actually on fire?

00:24:44.971 --> 00:24:48.229
or is it just the sauna is like hot and so on?

00:24:48.249 --> 00:25:00.305
left it on and it's drying out, or and is it like, do we need to leave our stuff and get out, or do we need to, like, go, step on like the whatever the like, step on the coals or whatever right?

00:25:00.606 --> 00:25:01.711
yeah, no, that's a, that's a.

00:25:01.711 --> 00:25:03.099
That's immediately what I was thinking too.

00:25:03.099 --> 00:25:14.148
And then, uh, like I was like I don't hear any smoke detectors, but immediately after the door opened, I smelt like what it honestly smelled like fresh cedar was burning.

00:25:14.148 --> 00:25:18.785
It was really weird, which is why I was like, okay, that's got to be the sauna.

00:25:19.946 --> 00:25:26.859
Um twas, not the sauna um and so I'm just gonna pull it up on my phone so you can see the videos.

00:25:26.859 --> 00:25:31.270
Um, but uh, and we don't have to.

00:25:31.270 --> 00:25:32.513
It's not like anything crazy.

00:25:32.513 --> 00:25:38.027
Uh, ken, like you're not missing out on like a crazy video of this airbnb just being torched to the ground.

00:25:38.027 --> 00:25:48.221
Um, but uh, it was definitely on fire and as we kind of realized that we were, I was like grabbing all of our stuff.

00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:58.566
I grabbed my gun and, you know, packed it all up and the other people were like really struggling.

00:25:58.566 --> 00:26:11.885
I think there's a lot of analysis, paralysis or like deer in the headlight stuff, and Billy Jean and I had already like everything packed up going out the front door, like, and Billy Jean and I had already like everything packed up going out the front door, like boots on, I like threw on sweats and like a shirt and a flannel and like one motion.

00:26:11.885 --> 00:26:12.468
It was awesome.

00:26:12.468 --> 00:26:14.978
Um, I was really proud of it.

00:26:14.978 --> 00:26:15.901
I was like that was crazy.

00:26:15.901 --> 00:26:19.308
I got all three articles of clothing on in like no time.

00:26:19.308 --> 00:26:31.089
Um and uh, we go outside and uh, I'm immediately grabbing my car and moving it, because it was like in front of the house and it's a very narrow mountain drive.

00:26:31.089 --> 00:26:33.607
I'm like, okay, the fire department's going to be on their way.

00:26:33.607 --> 00:26:40.028
I can hear my buddy nuts on the phone with them, but again I'm like I don't see any smoke but, I, smell it.

00:26:40.088 --> 00:26:40.931
It was very strong.

00:26:40.931 --> 00:26:43.508
And then I asked nuts, I'm like what's going on?

00:26:43.508 --> 00:26:47.682
Like where is it?

00:26:47.682 --> 00:26:48.345
And he's like it's in the garage.

00:26:48.345 --> 00:26:49.189
I was like, did we try putting it out?

00:26:49.189 --> 00:26:49.852
Like we have fire extinguishers?

00:26:49.852 --> 00:26:53.486
And he's like I opened the door and just smoke came in, bro, and it's like I could hear it and I'm like we got to get out.

00:26:53.486 --> 00:26:55.431
And I was like, oh shit, all right Deal.

00:26:55.431 --> 00:27:17.189
You know, like I'm not going to be like it's up to me to save this Airbnb for someone I don't know who's probably like living in another state and doesn't even care if this place burns down, but anyways.

00:27:17.189 --> 00:27:21.914
So this was the what happened when the fire department got there and they opened up the garage.

00:27:22.435 --> 00:27:29.351
Oh wow, like it was legit, like actually like a decent fire like burning in the garage and causing smoke, that's gonna have some smoke damage in that house.

00:27:29.351 --> 00:27:33.542
Wow, I'm just, I'm gonna.

00:27:33.542 --> 00:27:35.347
So we've got garage doors open.

00:27:35.347 --> 00:27:42.208
Smoke that's a lot, that's a good bit of smoke coming out of there yeah, dude wow like they went in with the hose and hosed it down.

00:27:42.208 --> 00:27:45.693
Yeah, so then what?

00:27:45.693 --> 00:27:46.335
What did happen?

00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:49.750
So fire department's going in hosing it all down.

00:27:49.750 --> 00:27:51.145
They're like, hey, you guys made the right call.

00:27:51.145 --> 00:27:54.309
And that made all of us feel like not like dorks, right, Dweebs.

00:27:54.309 --> 00:28:07.222
And once they got it hosed down and started kicking around, we saw them kicking out like burnt black trash and I was like, hmm interesting, because out like burnt black trash.

00:28:07.222 --> 00:28:10.338
And I was like, hmm interesting, because I remember the night before when we're cleaning up the wedding and stuff be like, where do we take all this trash to?

00:28:10.338 --> 00:28:11.645
And so it was like, oh, in the garage.

00:28:11.645 --> 00:28:14.480
And they're like, just, I don't see any trash cans in the garage.

00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.263
And they're like, oh, they have.

00:28:16.263 --> 00:28:17.807
They just say leave it in the garage.

00:28:17.807 --> 00:28:22.465
And they're like, all right, so they everyone was just piling trash bags out there smoking a doobie.

00:28:22.967 --> 00:28:23.387
No, what, no.

00:28:23.387 --> 00:28:24.028
What happened, bro?

00:28:24.028 --> 00:28:24.609
Some sparkler?

00:28:24.609 --> 00:28:25.511
I didn't worry about that.

00:28:25.511 --> 00:28:26.173
Sparkler turned off.

00:28:26.339 --> 00:28:30.131
I didn't worry because there was a couple people who I know were smoking some joints.

00:28:30.819 --> 00:28:34.431
And I was like but they were really responsible and they weren't waving at anyone's face.

00:28:34.431 --> 00:28:41.247
I was like shit, there's no way like their joint landed in the trash in the garage, they go outside to smoke it or something.

00:28:41.247 --> 00:28:45.553
Um, and so that was my first concern.

00:28:45.553 --> 00:28:52.308
And then, uh, turned out, what it was was this couple from california.

00:28:52.308 --> 00:29:01.195
Oh yes, let me ask you, pat, how many homes in southern california you think have baseboard heaters, let alone baseboard heaters in a garage?

00:29:01.436 --> 00:29:03.647
yeah, I bet some do, but not a lot.

00:29:03.647 --> 00:29:05.416
I bet in southern california.

00:29:05.497 --> 00:29:09.926
Oh, yes, yeah I bet zero in san diego, um.

00:29:09.926 --> 00:29:21.584
And so they just didn't know and think, and I understand right, and they the guy said because they're like yeah, the fire department was like someone set these trash bags next to, on, like top of the baseboard heater.

00:29:21.584 --> 00:29:25.711
And then the guy who was like oh, that was totally me, and I was like really what's going on?

00:29:25.711 --> 00:29:26.353
Like it's okay, bro, but heater.

00:29:26.353 --> 00:29:28.477
And then the guy who was like oh, that was totally me, and I was like really, what's going on?

00:29:28.477 --> 00:29:30.000
Like it's okay, bro, but like why didn't you think to move?

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:31.353
He's like I don't know what that is.

00:29:31.353 --> 00:29:36.224
And he's like also, I opened the door, there's already trash there, so I just threw it where that trash was.

00:29:36.925 --> 00:29:46.895
And it's surprising that it got hot enough to like I wouldn't set it on there intentionally too, but that is, that's still surprising for a baseboard heater.

00:29:46.955 --> 00:29:52.632
Yeah, I mean I guess after like eight hours just sitting there and there's probably like booze and stuff in the trash too.

00:29:53.121 --> 00:29:54.472
It's something to combust, huh.

00:29:54.674 --> 00:29:55.200
But yeah.

00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.304
So anyways, that's what it was.

00:29:56.304 --> 00:29:57.147
They put it out real quick.

00:29:57.147 --> 00:30:03.045
Airbnb apparently insures stuff up to like over a million dollars, wow.

00:30:03.045 --> 00:30:10.026
So they told JB's wife she got the thing on Airbnb like, hey, here's a claim, you guys need to pay up for damages.

00:30:10.026 --> 00:30:10.848
Oh, wow.

00:30:10.848 --> 00:30:15.028
And the people who managed that Airbnb were like don't do that.

00:30:15.813 --> 00:30:16.034
Oh, okay.

00:30:16.721 --> 00:30:18.729
Because the managers aren't the owners right.

00:30:18.729 --> 00:30:20.928
And the managers said here's the issue.

00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:22.866
Wait, did the owners come for the claim?

00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.747
No, the owners live in texas, right, don't give two shits, it's a big airbnb.

00:30:27.747 --> 00:30:29.612
Big airbnb said you gotta pay up, okay.

00:30:29.612 --> 00:30:36.409
The managers of the airbnb, yep, said don't do that one, we just like.

00:30:36.409 --> 00:30:44.836
Because they did a walkthrough when they got there and they saw that next to the trash against the baseboard was propane tanks.

00:30:44.836 --> 00:30:50.059
Oh gosh, that were like right next to the fire and it was one of those things of like.

00:30:50.059 --> 00:30:54.402
I'm sure someone was like well, these propane tanks won't explode if I put them next to the baseboard here.

00:30:54.402 --> 00:30:55.386
That's a zero chance.

00:30:55.386 --> 00:31:00.101
But if there's a fire caused by the baseboard heater, it's going to blow up those propane tanks.

00:31:00.121 --> 00:31:00.842
That is wild.

00:31:00.981 --> 00:31:07.445
Yeah, it is pretty bonkers, Because the bedroom too, a master bedroom is just right above the garage there, and they were the first people to smell it.

00:31:07.445 --> 00:31:08.741
Yeah, they were like.

00:31:08.741 --> 00:31:10.993
It smells like our bedroom's on fire.

00:31:11.537 --> 00:31:12.039
Oh, my goodness.

00:31:12.401 --> 00:31:28.017
And so also they went through and there was like no smoke detectors and like I think, like it was something crazy, like 30 of the smoke detector brackets were empty and it was like so that's totally also not on you.

00:31:28.017 --> 00:31:29.826
There's no way we're going to.

00:31:30.643 --> 00:31:40.405
You could take us to court and sue us over this and the fact that if this had started after you guys had checked out and no one had been there, it would have burned down.

00:31:40.405 --> 00:31:40.666
Yeah.

00:31:42.500 --> 00:31:46.770
They were like whatever you do, just do not pay the the claim to airbnb.

00:31:46.770 --> 00:31:50.147
If you don't pay it, you'll get a ding by airbnb.

00:31:50.147 --> 00:32:00.546
That's like a ding on your rental and I'll be like this person didn't pay for this much damages, but airbnb's insures shit up that much and so they got to pay for it, which sounds cool.

00:32:00.546 --> 00:32:02.731
That whole place is gonna get a facelift yeah, I see.

00:32:02.751 --> 00:32:06.391
That's why the manager's like don't, don't, don't, we needed a new paint job, whatever.

00:32:06.940 --> 00:32:09.565
But the neighbor of that dude.

00:32:09.565 --> 00:32:20.670
I can't remember his name, but he comes out on this porch of his massive gigantopithecus house right His house that costs more money than you and I will make in our lifetime.

00:32:20.670 --> 00:32:30.270
He's got his crazy thinning like hair, just you know, going crazy in the morning he's like hey, how about you guys?

00:32:30.270 --> 00:32:31.957
Come on in, you can warm up in here and everyone's like okay.

00:32:32.660 --> 00:32:47.766
And so then I go in this house and his house is huge just absolutely unreal how big it is and he's just generous, kind guy and his wife is helping all the girls make coffee and stuff, um, and we're just kind of watching the fire department do their thing from his house.

00:32:47.786 --> 00:32:49.089
I'm like, hey, man, what do you do?

00:32:49.089 --> 00:32:50.643
I would just love to know what you do.

00:32:50.643 --> 00:33:07.913
And he started telling me and he worked in just uh, originally just selling property, um, but then and he was doing it in miami and what he was doing was buying like strip malls, uh, and at first he was brokering it, right, like he just did a ton of brokerage of real estate, commercial.

00:33:07.913 --> 00:33:31.759
And then he was like, okay, I'm gonna get into it, yeah, and he got wrapped up with the cartel down in miami and he fled to colorado, like they gave him, they like kicked him out, like like they, they were like you're leaving miami and he was like I'm leaving miami so he left Miami, came to Colorado, started doing this like same thing, just getting in brokerage stuff here and then owning stuff.

00:33:31.859 --> 00:34:08.336
And then he now owns like the main street in Steamboat and he owns the bowling alley and several of the other like you know, rental spaces for businesses and stuff that down there and I'm like I'm literally sitting in the house of like the baron of steamboat you know what I mean like I was like this, this man's made it bro and he was like it was really funny because he was very generous, he's very kind, opening his home to us and like like letting everyone come in and everyone took their shoes off and stuff, but like still they're just sitting around sitting on his couch and stuff, yeah and like playing with his dogs and drinking his coffee.

00:34:08.356 --> 00:34:09.659
It's like fucking.

00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:15.530
You know 7 am in the morning, but he was also just like I.

00:34:15.530 --> 00:34:17.940
It was the most like I don't know how to you.

00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:19.262
I genuinely like the guy.

00:34:19.262 --> 00:34:23.088
I say this is a dude who's like oh, you're cool, like I want to talk to you more.

00:34:23.088 --> 00:34:31.311
Also your textbook maniacal villain in a small town like you know, like it's like he would just like laugh.

00:34:31.351 --> 00:34:35.224
He's like he's he enjoyed watching the smoke come out of that garage.

00:34:35.324 --> 00:34:42.018
I don't know, bro, but like there was just like uh, I think he did because one it was an airbnb and it was like a pain in the ass.

00:34:42.018 --> 00:34:46.632
People would show up to his house and just walk in, right?

00:34:46.632 --> 00:34:58.766
He said he was gone down looking at some stuff in Steamboat once and he saw on his ring doorbell a whole freaking catering company showed up to his house, brought in tables and food, started moving his furniture around.

00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:00.748
Yeah, like I guess it must be here, yeah.

00:35:01.603 --> 00:35:02.527
And he's like it sucks.

00:35:02.527 --> 00:35:03.664
He's like I'm actually moving.

00:35:03.664 --> 00:35:09.206
We just finished building a house on like the lake over here.

00:35:09.206 --> 00:35:11.755
We'll move into it during the summer, but we're just gonna turn this into an airbnb too.

00:35:11.775 --> 00:35:13.581
Yeah, because I guess he's like it's just a pain in the ass.

00:35:14.385 --> 00:35:16.432
Um, but, dude, the guy was like, almost like.

00:35:16.432 --> 00:35:18.420
I mean, he was like the big lebowski.

00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:19.380
Did you ever see that movie?

00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:21.344
Yeah, he was the big lebowski.

00:35:21.344 --> 00:35:29.014
If the big Lebowski was insanely rich, he just robed slippers, crazy old man hair.

00:35:29.014 --> 00:36:08.784
He had a full-on wine maroon-looking room on the top of the house that had 360 degree it was like a rectangle, right, but you could see 360 degrees out through windows and a tv for watching movies and dvds and stuff and it was just uh like plush maroon carpet and uh like a corduroy or in the whole room you just sit on these plush like large kind of bench couches and there was just like blunts and weed everywhere.

00:36:08.784 --> 00:36:12.570
It's just like, oh, I'm sick, like you.

00:36:12.570 --> 00:36:18.630
Just, you just come up your wooden spiral staircase to this and just smoke weed every morning staring out.

00:36:18.630 --> 00:36:23.266
You're like, see those lights over there, I own that shit.

00:36:23.266 --> 00:36:26.092
And that's literally what he was like.

00:36:26.092 --> 00:36:26.920
Dude, he was so cool.

00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:29.106
Uh, I wish I could remember his name.

00:36:29.106 --> 00:36:29.708
I'll look it up.

00:36:29.708 --> 00:36:30.911
I can find him really easy.

00:36:30.911 --> 00:36:32.322
Yeah, because I've looked it up a couple times.

00:36:32.541 --> 00:36:37.300
Um, but like, he was just like it was he the way he was talking about stuff.

00:36:37.300 --> 00:36:38.664
He's like you know the bowling alley.

00:36:38.664 --> 00:36:40.489
I was like, yeah, he's like I fucking own it.

00:36:40.489 --> 00:36:44.969
And I was like sick bro, where's patrick swayze?

00:36:44.969 --> 00:36:47.903
Is he gonna kick in your door and like kill your henchman?

00:36:47.903 --> 00:36:49.769
Like this is unreal.

00:36:50.311 --> 00:36:51.315
Here's where it gets crazier.

00:36:51.315 --> 00:36:59.902
Oh wow, I start telling him what I do for work dude, government consulting and all that doing some dod stuff he's like I usually talk to.

00:36:59.902 --> 00:37:17.773
I can't remember her name either, but but Marsha, whatever His wife he's like she was the lead counterterrorism agent for the FBI in New York and she ran the New York office's counterintelligent I mean counterterrorist FBI task force.

00:37:17.773 --> 00:37:21.048
And she he's like it's hilarious.

00:37:21.048 --> 00:37:30.007
We met on a dating app where you have to pay three grand but they pay for the whole date and set everything up and like food and all that and like where are you going to go?

00:37:30.007 --> 00:37:36.989
And they drive you, he's like but both of us paid for it just so we wouldn't have to, like you know, deal with like swiping, I guess.

00:37:36.989 --> 00:37:39.708
And he's like so we just meet up on this date.

00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.344
And she's like I know you because he was like a dude that the fbi was like we got.

00:37:48.364 --> 00:37:53.414
Yeah, he's linked to the cartel and like he never she's like he's like I ran from him.

00:37:53.414 --> 00:38:01.844
He's like I was running for her all my life, only to end up in her arms and I was like this is fucking unreal, dude, this is crazy.

00:38:01.844 --> 00:38:06.054
And like, uh, she was like she thought it was funny so I was laughing about it.

00:38:06.054 --> 00:38:17.416
Um, and uh, she was like yeah, I just retired and was going into consulting and uh, I was like I was crazy that we met, but like he was never like a bad dude, you know what I mean?

00:38:17.416 --> 00:38:27.240
He was just a dude that was known to like be connected in some business with people who were in the cartel, um, and so it was just kind of super funny.

00:38:27.240 --> 00:38:30.829
Um, and now I don't know I might reach out to them.

00:38:30.829 --> 00:38:32.762
They were like super nice and they're like you should talk to us.

00:38:32.782 --> 00:38:43.766
We'd love to like you know hang out and like yeah, sure, help me get some connections you're not kidding, I think she said she worked like for a long time doing consulting stuff for a lockheed which was pretty sick.

00:38:43.766 --> 00:38:53.423
But um, so that was that trip, bro, and it was pretty sick, like Airbnb weekend, cool, cool wedding, but isn't it kind of like it was?

00:38:53.423 --> 00:38:54.505
Isn't it a wild?

00:38:54.706 --> 00:38:56.731
it is wild, super wild.

00:38:57.592 --> 00:39:21.117
But then, uh, the other thing I was going to tell you, uh, this is in no way a dig at the amazing Billie Jean, but today the reason why I was eating my firehouse subs in here with her and we kind of brought our dog last minute, was we were taking our dog on its evening walk, taking Takani out.

00:39:21.117 --> 00:39:33.659
I go out the front door and I hear the door close behind me, right after my beautiful bride had twisted the door handle lock to close From the inside.

00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:34.561
From the inside, yeah.

00:39:35.045 --> 00:39:39.476
And we step away from that and she stops and she looks at me.

00:39:39.476 --> 00:39:41.032
She's like do you have your keys?

00:39:41.032 --> 00:39:48.998
I'm like, no, because you were behind me and I figured you were going to grab your keys before you locked the door.

00:39:48.998 --> 00:39:51.192
And she's like, I don't mind.

00:39:51.192 --> 00:39:58.009
I was like, oh my gosh, and of course, like our garage door, like door to the garage, we always lock so people can't just get in.

00:39:58.009 --> 00:39:59.516
If they get in the garage, oh you lock from the inside.

00:39:59.231 --> 00:40:01.192
Yes, so people can't just get in.

00:40:01.211 --> 00:40:13.902
if they get in the garage, oh, you lock it from the inside, yeah, and the back screen door was locked and I was like, oh, and I'll be damned if I pop it up my basement window that I just like framed and did his custom screen to keep the buggies out.

00:40:13.902 --> 00:40:22.289
So I'm like, okay, so we go take the dog for a walk while she's calling locksmiths.

00:40:22.289 --> 00:40:23.673
And she's getting really mad at herself and she's like I'm so stupid.

00:40:23.673 --> 00:40:26.302
I'm like, one, don't talk about my wife that way or I'll have to beat you.

00:40:26.302 --> 00:40:30.875
And two, you know it's okay, like this stuff happens, right, but like, just buckle down.

00:40:30.875 --> 00:40:36.715
We can talk about mistakes that were made or whatever later, right, like that's not, this is now.

00:40:36.715 --> 00:40:39.568
I'm not gonna, I'm not rubbing it in your face, I'm not blaming you.

00:40:39.568 --> 00:40:42.054
You, I know you said you're sorry.

00:40:42.054 --> 00:40:44.139
That's okay, it's a thing, this happens.

00:40:44.139 --> 00:40:49.809
But just focus here we're a team, we need to resolve the problem, call some locksmiths.

00:40:51.005 --> 00:40:55.016
And so she's calling around and everyone's calling us like $90 to $150 minimum.

00:40:55.016 --> 00:41:06.974
I'm like, oh, geez bro, I'll open my garage door, grab my drill and drill out the lock myself, because that's what they're going to do, right, you know, rather than pick it, they're just going to drill your lock and then charge you money to change the lock to a new lock.

00:41:06.974 --> 00:41:19.597
So we get back to the house and I'm starting to look up things and I tried to do some shimmies to get in and I got so close dude, I could tell I was getting close with some old cards and Coke cans.

00:41:19.597 --> 00:41:26.472
I cut out a Coke can and folded it and was shimmying it between the liner and the lock, but none of them worked.

00:41:26.472 --> 00:41:32.610
And then I found out I was like alright, and Billie Jean solved it.

00:41:32.610 --> 00:41:38.311
She said I think the back window is unlocked Like from the kitchen or whatever.

00:41:38.887 --> 00:41:40.925
We just have to pop the screen out and crawl through the window.

00:41:40.925 --> 00:41:42.030
I was like, alright, let's go check.

00:41:42.030 --> 00:41:43.550
She's like, oh well, the screen's there.

00:41:43.550 --> 00:41:45.492
So I didn't want to pop it out without you.

00:41:45.492 --> 00:41:51.552
I was like, okay, so I grabbed a screwdriver, quick snip knop and, like that screen fortunately had the springs in it.

00:41:52.014 --> 00:41:52.255
Oh yeah.

00:41:52.585 --> 00:42:03.226
So got to pop it out without warping it at all, open hop through and we were good to go.

00:42:03.226 --> 00:42:05.293
Only thing is didn't have time to make dinner, so we rushed to firehouse subs and, oh yeah, ate that.

00:42:05.293 --> 00:42:05.994
But it was just classic.

00:42:06.014 --> 00:42:14.909
Like you know, stuff happens and it's okay and it's funny and like you just got to kind of deal with the problem and then you can assess it and it was beautiful.

00:42:14.909 --> 00:42:23.987
She came to me and hugged me and she said I'm sorry that I was, you know, did something so silly and dumb I could tell her eyes were glassy and red from like stress and being upset.

00:42:23.987 --> 00:42:27.115
I'm like no excuses or anything like that.

00:42:27.115 --> 00:42:29.007
Like it's fine, it's okay.

00:42:29.007 --> 00:42:31.311
You just cannot beat yourself up.

00:42:31.311 --> 00:42:38.572
You cannot go into paralysis and blame game when there's a problem that still needs to be solved.

00:42:38.572 --> 00:42:41.387
And I was like we're a team, we solve this stuff together.

00:42:41.387 --> 00:42:43.393
It's not going to help if I yell at you.

00:42:43.393 --> 00:42:50.195
It's not going to help if you beat yourself up, right, and she's like okay, and you know it was really good, it was great.

00:42:50.195 --> 00:43:01.871
And now we have for all the kin to know uh, I have a key hidden somewhere in my garage but but also it's booby trapped, oh yeah, and all of the traps will kill you.

00:43:01.972 --> 00:43:04.574
So you better be sure you find the right key the first time.

00:43:04.574 --> 00:43:12.681
But now we have a key in the garage hidden away, so that way we can get the code in and grab the key and then get inside, if that ever happens again.

00:43:13.041 --> 00:43:15.688
Yeah, oh yeah.

00:43:15.688 --> 00:43:17.632
It's so frustrating when that stuff happens.

00:43:17.632 --> 00:43:18.554
I did that once.

00:43:18.554 --> 00:43:23.027
This reminds me of a story I forgot about this stuff happens.

00:43:23.027 --> 00:43:23.628
I did that once.

00:43:23.628 --> 00:43:27.099
This reminds me of a story I forgot about this where I was in early college, like 19 years old, working for a moving company.

00:43:27.099 --> 00:43:27.922
We were in one of the.

00:43:27.922 --> 00:43:32.795
They had these like company priuses that we would drive a crew in sometimes to meet the big truck.

00:43:33.436 --> 00:43:47.954
If we couldn't all fit in the big truck and uh wow, nothing more like wussy than like the big truck and then like the rest of the homies pulling up in the priestesses and the priestesses and and all the priestesses were taken that day.

00:43:48.295 --> 00:43:51.731
So, um, I volunteered, I just volunteered to take my car.

00:43:51.731 --> 00:43:57.728
So we all went in my car and we're running through and we had to.

00:43:57.728 --> 00:44:07.161
When we got done with our job, um, a very common thing for movers is to have a court date.

00:44:07.161 --> 00:44:17.679
So, because you know they're just like, by the way, a mover if you've got like a, you've got a little bit of a history and you can't find a job, it pays good.

00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.478
A mover is not like a super high paying job, but it is like a pretty.

00:44:23.101 --> 00:44:38.597
It's the highest paying job for an unemployable person yeah, it's the highest paying job for someone with no skills right like unskilled labor that can just like, because you learn all the skills the first day right, yeah, yeah, for sure you learn how to do it and you can get good at it.

00:44:39.018 --> 00:44:40.065
But the it's one of the one things.

00:44:40.065 --> 00:44:56.434
So there's lots of guys, guys where lots of guys have a previous criminal history whatever, so lots of guys have court dates and things going on and all this stuff and drama, and so of course, like, one guy needs cigarettes and one guy has a court date, so what takes precedent is cigarettes.

00:44:56.434 --> 00:45:09.510
So on our way back from the job, we pull over at the local gas station, run in to grab some cigarettes and run back out to the car and what have I done?

00:45:10.485 --> 00:45:11.688
Locked the keys in the car.

00:45:11.708 --> 00:45:13.612
Locked the keys in the car Were they running still.

00:45:14.034 --> 00:45:15.617
No, okay, it wasn't running at least.

00:45:15.617 --> 00:45:25.974
But so now we've got like I'm young, I've got these kind of scary dudes, and now it's all my fault that he's not going to get to his court date on time.

00:45:25.974 --> 00:45:28.471
Yeah, he's like I'm going to jail because his mother?

00:45:28.672 --> 00:45:36.672
Yeah, exactly, and it's like well it's not my fault that you, you're the one that needed cigarettes, yeah, and it's not my fault that you have a court date.

00:45:36.672 --> 00:45:37.675
Yeah, exactly Right.

00:45:52.985 --> 00:45:53.545
Right, right or like.

00:45:53.565 --> 00:45:54.567
So anyways, I mean, I mean one guy.

00:45:54.567 --> 00:46:01.356
So one guy's freaking out and other guys freaking out and one guy just starts like wrenching on my door, like getting his fingers on it.

00:46:01.356 --> 00:46:04.722
He's like a stick in the ground, street sign, yep, for some whatever.

00:46:04.722 --> 00:46:15.135
And he just grabs it, pulls the poster off of it, flings it, bends the wires back and forth twice and gets two pieces of metal out of it, bends one one way, bends one the other way, and he's like, all right, pull that back.

00:46:15.135 --> 00:46:19.873
And so they just they, they pull back the door and he just jimmies it down there and hits the unlock button.

00:46:19.873 --> 00:46:21.456
We're back in action.

00:46:22.036 --> 00:46:33.240
And it's like that wasn't the first time he'd done that before you know, that's incredible dude, and so you, uh, yeah, so now I've got I've always I've got, because I hate, hate, hate locking keys and stuff.

00:46:33.240 --> 00:46:34.125
I've got contingency.

00:46:34.125 --> 00:46:35.065
They got hidden keys.

00:46:35.387 --> 00:46:37.128
It sucks, dude it sucks so much.

00:46:37.128 --> 00:46:37.909
That's like I do.

00:46:37.909 --> 00:46:45.541
I do love the code lock Like like that we have on the shop doors and stuff.

00:46:45.541 --> 00:46:47.369
Like having a code lock.

00:46:47.369 --> 00:46:51.650
I like might not be the best thing for your personal house, I don't know, but I do like the code lock.

00:46:51.650 --> 00:47:08.860
Um, and even if the code lock, you have a code lock, you still gotta have the hidden key, like in my car, in my truck I have a whole little like kit for getting into cars and into doors and stuff that in case you need to because it comes in handy.

00:47:09.606 --> 00:47:16.679
Well, dude, I'll call you next time, cause I was like, oh, dude, the only other guy I know with a lock picking kit is so far away.

00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.231
Yeah, um, but yeah, no, I, uh, I.

00:47:21.231 --> 00:47:47.237
I think that's a very valid and relevant skill to have right, and it always comes in super handy and it's always baller when you're the dude who knows how to do that right Like how many times in college does girls lock her keys in her car or whatever and you're like you're the dude that gets to save the day.

00:47:47.237 --> 00:47:50.610
Um, yeah, dude, that's sick.

00:47:50.610 --> 00:47:58.043
Um, well, anyways, yeah, crazy stuff happened a little bit.

00:47:58.043 --> 00:48:04.657
Yeah, I don't think the uh united health ceo was assassinated.

00:48:04.657 --> 00:48:08.972
I don't think he was dead last time we uh were on the podcast.

00:48:08.972 --> 00:48:10.373
I don't think so either.

00:48:10.373 --> 00:48:15.568
So now he's dead and um, that's just pretty crazy.

00:48:15.568 --> 00:48:28.467
Uh, this guy who is a suspect I'm not saying he did it, but the suspect um is essentially this gentleman named luigi.

00:48:28.467 --> 00:48:29.608
How do you pronounce the last name?

00:48:30.449 --> 00:48:35.338
um, it is uh, uh mangione mangione.

00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:40.112
Um, so, what do we know about this guy, pat?

00:48:40.112 --> 00:48:41.896
What can you, uh, what's the deets that you can?

00:48:41.936 --> 00:48:42.197
give me.

00:48:42.197 --> 00:48:50.038
I mean, so far as I know, he's pretty young, he's uh, and he looks just like a guy.

00:48:50.038 --> 00:49:13.371
He looks like a guy who should be just finishing up college or on, like a at a frat party maybe, but like a high end, like not a frat party but at a fraternity gathering, you know, yeah, and uh, well, let me say this yeah, I can tell you how like he is a guy who has gone to college and this guy apparently has a phd.

00:49:13.391 --> 00:49:29.416
And hey, pat, you better be careful yeah because he's a data engineer oh, you better watch out bro because I could at any moment now, all right, just be, careful of how you treat the data engineers is all I'm saying.

00:49:29.536 --> 00:49:42.273
No kidding they spend too much time in their basement, okay got to him this guy's fucking dead, um, no, but uh, yeah, he's apparently got a phd data engineer.

00:49:42.273 --> 00:49:50.797
Um, and he also I guess um, from what I understand, comes from a pretty wealthy family went to an ivy league school.

00:49:50.797 --> 00:49:52.949
I think he was like, uh, what is it?

00:49:52.949 --> 00:49:53.190
What's?

00:49:53.190 --> 00:49:58.505
Uh, what's the top one for your college when you're graduating?

00:49:58.505 --> 00:50:07.230
Valedictorian, yeah he's valedictorian, um, just like all the stuff that is like, wow, this is just not actually at all.

00:50:07.230 --> 00:50:10.356
Who plans out a very thorough?

00:50:10.976 --> 00:50:11.838
methodical hit.

00:50:11.838 --> 00:50:17.632
It's not the, the pizza face, greasy haired, savage, you know.

00:50:17.632 --> 00:50:24.481
Uh long, reddit feed wears lots of black clothing was always kind of the outsider.

00:50:24.481 --> 00:50:33.880
Yep, you know, hey, I'm profiling here, but you know that person, we all know who you know, yeah, you know, has kind of always been School shooter type.

00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:39.153
Yeah, on the edge, kind of weird, whatever Trump assassination type Exactly.

00:50:39.153 --> 00:50:44.536
And this guy, he would appear to have it all going for him.

00:50:44.536 --> 00:50:49.115
Yeah, good college, good looks, you know, from a good family.

00:50:51.005 --> 00:51:01.733
Everyone too, like all of his friends, have come out saying like this is my best friend, Like I love him, he's so like great and supportive, Like I can't believe that, like this is him and that he did this.

00:51:01.733 --> 00:51:02.235
You know what I mean.

00:51:02.235 --> 00:51:24.110
Like people are absolutely gobsmacked that this dude did it or is the suspect in the case of doing it, Cause I really don't want to say he did it until, like, it's actually come out without a kangaroo court that, okay, I'm sure he finds him guilty, Um, but anyways, all that said, um, I'm sure he finds him guilty.

00:51:24.130 --> 00:51:25.704
But anyways, all that said, like just here's a real quick thing, sure, go for it.

00:51:25.704 --> 00:51:35.860
He moved to Honolulu, hawaii, where he had a remote job, working in a co-living space where he led book clubs, enjoyed going on hikes and doing yoga.

00:51:35.860 --> 00:51:38.833
So that's kind of a little more of the picture, you know, right.

00:51:39.244 --> 00:51:41.032
Can you imagine what that must be like?

00:51:41.052 --> 00:51:42.536
That's kind of a little more of the picture.

00:51:42.536 --> 00:51:44.565
You know Right, Can you imagine what that must be like?

00:51:44.565 --> 00:51:51.340
So yeah, I mean it's like you would think.

00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:58.706
maybe not disgruntled, he did not adopt the Aloha spirit, while he was there, I can see, but yeah, oh man, did you see that he?

00:51:58.706 --> 00:52:05.630
Did you read his review for uh, ted kaczynski's uh like memoir?

00:52:06.532 --> 00:52:07.255
I didn't read his review.

00:52:07.255 --> 00:52:07.677
I wrote.

00:52:07.677 --> 00:52:20.887
I did read like one brief thing where just he talked about like because this this guy, they found a notebook of his stuff and his writings in it and the only thing I read about it was that he was like I'm not going to use a bomb because I could hurt innocent people.

00:52:21.186 --> 00:52:28.646
Yeah, that's the only thing I know about well, he, uh, he left a very favorable four out of five stars review.

00:52:28.706 --> 00:52:47.201
The ted kaczynski's um, what's that called not memoir manifesto manifesto and dude, it's like um, I mean I'll pull it up, but it's pretty much like what other options do we have when, like, the elites won't let you speak?

00:52:47.201 --> 00:52:52.757
You know, what is the only other option for the like oppressed and unheard outside of violence?

00:52:52.757 --> 00:53:01.119
You know, and it was just, it's just like one of those stuff of like okay, like damn, this guy's like, that's like that will get you flagged real quick, you know.

00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:06.987
So and I think I have it here, if you're, oh yeah read it, bro.

00:53:07.007 --> 00:53:09.112
I think it's about a paragraph long.

00:53:09.112 --> 00:53:10.193
His response.

00:53:10.193 --> 00:53:12.559
It says it's.

00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:13.186
It's easy.

00:53:13.186 --> 00:53:21.568
He said it's easy to quickly and thoughtlessly write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies.

00:53:21.568 --> 00:53:22.751
But it's simply.

00:53:22.751 --> 00:53:29.780
It's simply impossible to ignore how precise, how, uh sorry, how, what words is?

00:53:29.780 --> 00:53:34.349
My eyes are not working, I'm not a phd, bro.

00:53:34.349 --> 00:53:39.456
How prescient p-r-e-s-c-E-N-T.

00:53:39.456 --> 00:53:42.079
You guys all right.

00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:43.159
Literate.

00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.670
Anyways, I bet Ted Kaczynski used that.

00:53:45.851 --> 00:53:46.253
Yeah, let me.

00:53:46.253 --> 00:53:48.429
And he was like oh, that's a good word, I'm looking it up.

00:53:48.429 --> 00:53:49.829
People, we got to learn real quick.

00:53:49.829 --> 00:53:50.311
Here we go.

00:53:50.311 --> 00:53:56.094
It is having or showing knowledge of events before they take place.

00:53:56.094 --> 00:54:08.407
Oh, prescient, okay, oh prescient, okay, oh prescient.

00:54:08.407 --> 00:54:08.788
I know that word.

00:54:08.788 --> 00:54:09.349
You just pronounce it.

00:54:09.349 --> 00:54:10.172
I know I just was being an idiot.

00:54:10.172 --> 00:54:13.322
All right, many of his predictions, but it's simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society have turned out.

00:54:13.322 --> 00:54:21.538
Um, and then he wrote in a book review in january he was a violent individual, rightfully imprisoned, who, uh maimed innocent people.

00:54:21.538 --> 00:54:31.829
While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy, uh luddite, however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary.

00:54:31.829 --> 00:54:36.650
So I don't know if that was the stuff that you had read did you read some other stuff?

00:54:36.670 --> 00:54:37.090
that was it.

00:54:37.170 --> 00:54:45.789
Yeah, um, isn't it pretty crazy though, right, yeah, um, isn't it pretty crazy though?

00:54:45.789 --> 00:54:50.407
Right, yeah, yeah, and I, you know, I'll say this, you know, like you can, we're still kind of digging into the beginning, sort of, where we start reviewing kind of what our thoughts on it are.

00:54:50.407 --> 00:55:16.472
But in this part about you know, with, uh, unabomber and reading manifestos and things, so the guy's, the guy's 26 years old, um, kind of in a pretty prime age for been in a prime age of you, who you are, what you believe about the world and being impressionable still, even though you're a man, you can get in kind of deep into these thoughts and these things.

00:55:16.472 --> 00:55:26.179
And you can read some Karl Marx, you can read some Unabomber, you can read some Mein Kampf, and you can come out with starting to think some of this kind of makes sense.

00:55:26.264 --> 00:55:32.666
Some of this sounds good, oh yeah, but it's not, and so it's the.

00:55:32.666 --> 00:55:34.869
You can see where there are.

00:55:34.869 --> 00:55:49.106
There's things and parts of it and little tiny truths or things that they're pointing out or things that they're upset with that do resonate with you, but it's not completely informed, and so eventually you, you can end up in a twisted place.

00:55:49.106 --> 00:56:06.525
That being said, you know so, after Luigi allegedly killed the CEO, there has been a huge um wave, I would say, of support for his actions and what he did.

00:56:06.666 --> 00:56:20.034
Oh yeah, I mean it's almost like ubiquitous among, like, essentially, the secular people in america right now to be super pro, like don't lock him up, free him, let him out.

00:56:20.034 --> 00:56:20.576
You know what I mean?

00:56:20.576 --> 00:56:30.958
It's, uh, I have not seen this kind of support for a criminal since george floyd, bro, like yeah, don't get me wrong.

00:56:30.958 --> 00:56:40.710
Right, like that was, like last time, a dude who was a criminal and people lost their minds for it, right, and even then there's still more divisiveness over george floyd.

00:56:40.710 --> 00:56:45.059
And I don't think there's still more divisiveness over George Floyd.

00:56:45.159 --> 00:57:02.518
And I don't think there's that much divisiveness over what Luigi did, apparently Right, right, and people aren't writing and stuff and it's a little, you know, little apples to oranges there, but it is like this thing where you have people really identifying with the arrested person.

00:57:02.577 --> 00:57:14.280
You know, and and the offender Um and yeah, so he, uh, you have, I mean, and I'd say I haven't seen a ton of like open outward support.

00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:19.628
I've seen a couple of man on the street interviews where people are like, yeah, you know, like the system screwed up that guy might've had.

00:57:19.628 --> 00:57:24.161
You know there may be some things to be like you be, like you know addressed and like you know you can see where this guy's coming from.

00:57:24.161 --> 00:57:27.976
Then, if you go into the internet, you know comments and stuff.

00:57:27.996 --> 00:57:52.126
That's where you really get the savagery and the people who are like you know you know, free luigi, you know we're on his side, you know I've seen a lot of people they deserved this I've seen a lot of people online like a lot of people, I guess I people online and their own account site, like not behind a anonymous username or profile pic, you know, yeah, no, 100, like we should do it more.

00:57:52.126 --> 00:57:58.137
And I've seen people like journalists and stuff like saying it was great.

00:57:58.137 --> 00:57:59.045
You know it was a good.

00:57:59.045 --> 00:58:01.530
No, maybe not great, but that was a good thing and it should.

00:58:01.530 --> 00:58:02.652
And like who's surprised that?

00:58:02.652 --> 00:58:04.416
Like no one's surprised that this happened.

00:58:04.918 --> 00:58:15.010
That taylor lawrence, journalist from vox, who was a very controversial, very far left, uh, journalist, was like this is the voice of the people.

00:58:15.010 --> 00:58:22.132
And vox was like hey, we're run by billionaires, so you are fired.

00:58:22.132 --> 00:58:23.396
You know what I mean.

00:58:23.396 --> 00:58:42.885
It's like it's one of those things of you know, I think, a lot of people who feel a lot of emotion and a lot of frustration, especially now that there is a billionaire businessman about to run the country that they aren't very happy about, that they didn't vote for, and stuff.

00:58:42.885 --> 00:58:46.153
I think there's a lot of like anger that wants to get channeled.

00:58:46.153 --> 00:58:47.436
You know what I mean.

00:58:47.436 --> 00:58:58.576
And, um, I empathize with the feeling of like a lack of representation.

00:58:58.576 --> 00:59:05.405
I empathize with the frustration and how it can be bottled, and it can definitely be.

00:59:05.405 --> 00:59:18.608
Um, it can manifest and then be expelled in a direction inappropriately and probably at the wrong thing.

00:59:19.829 --> 00:59:24.737
Um, now I I'm just going to say this Pat, freaking, buckle up, bro.

00:59:24.737 --> 00:59:25.780
Here it is.

00:59:25.780 --> 00:59:27.530
I'm not filtering at all.

00:59:27.530 --> 00:59:29.014
All right, let's hear it.

00:59:29.014 --> 00:59:34.378
I think the UnitedHealth CEO was a very, very bad man.

00:59:34.378 --> 00:59:41.592
I am not convinced that Luigi what's his name?

00:59:41.592 --> 00:59:46.539
Far more morally absolutely debauched individual.

00:59:46.539 --> 00:59:48.202
I am not convinced that Luigi what's his name?

00:59:48.202 --> 00:59:50.264
Far more morally absolutely debauched individual.

00:59:50.264 --> 01:00:19.010
Just from the things I know that he's been recorded saying his philosophy and view of people and the sick and elderly and the children with terminal illnesses, the, you know, children with terminal illnesses his, his view of them is, uh, essentially free money because they're paying you for, for they're paying you today for something you'll never give them and they'll be gone tomorrow.

01:00:19.010 --> 01:00:28.737
And all that said, I understand why whoever did what they did took that action.

01:00:28.737 --> 01:00:30.688
I don't condone it.

01:00:30.688 --> 01:00:35.653
Right, like I could see how they're not going to see how they arrived to that conclusion.

01:00:36.836 --> 01:00:38.490
Yeah, you can see how someone could get there.

01:00:38.650 --> 01:00:57.478
Yeah, especially when you see, like his family history of, like his grandmother and grandfather both died shortly after one another, waiting on healthcare denials for their illnesses, and that he himself apparently there was x-rays from his, which this is wrong.

01:00:57.478 --> 01:00:59.472
You know this stuff shouldn't be released right.

01:00:59.472 --> 01:01:03.487
Wrong, you know this stuff shouldn't be released, right.

01:01:03.487 --> 01:01:10.445
Someone released stuff of his own medical history and how he apparently had a pretty severe like spinal surgery that had some pins in it and this.

01:01:10.565 --> 01:01:12.615
This is a reddit account that's assumed to be.

01:01:12.615 --> 01:01:13.398
It was an anonymous.

01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:31.606
It came from an anonymous reddit account that was assumed to be his because it matched very closely with some texts he'd sent friends and things like that and stuff and all that said, it's just like, dude, pat you, you had, you've experienced family illnesses, so have I.

01:01:31.606 --> 01:01:53.489
But like you've seen it firsthand, like you know, uh, and like thought you know, your loved ones might die from family, like from illnesses and stuff, uh, can you imagine if the treatment that would save their life or like keep them alive, was just denied by insurance and then, like, the hospital wasn't allowed to provide them that treatment?

01:01:53.489 --> 01:02:07.159
Otherwise the hospital could be, like you know, facing some serious legal consequences and being sued and no one's going to pay for it, right, like it wasn't too long ago that your father was on his deathbed.

01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:16.893
Do you imagine what it would have been like if he died because he didn't get the treatment he needed and it was his insurance company that said nah, depose, deny.

01:02:18.237 --> 01:02:42.945
Right, yeah, no, I'll say, I'll say that I, I, I, I the that situation, where you know that particular situation you're bringing up, is one where I could identify with luigi's feelings the most um, and not toward it, towards hospital administrators and their rules and things and this stuff because uh care was denied multiple times and things like that really yeah, so that's, that's why.

01:02:42.965 --> 01:02:52.875
That's why it got so bad I can relate to my mom from her traumatic brain injury, uh, from a car accident that she wasn't at fault for.

01:02:52.875 --> 01:02:53.275
It was a.

01:02:53.275 --> 01:03:33.034
It was a young person driving while texting that was at fault and they that person filed bankruptcy and the insurance essentially said we're not paying anymore and the state it was years of court case litigation while my mom literally had had a brain injury that honestly erased the woman I knew as a child, like the woman that she is today is a wonderful woman and I love her and she is my mother, but she is not the same person she was then like behaviorally and like personality wise, there's a difference and for like a good year there I really thought like my mom may never entirely come back.

01:03:33.797 --> 01:03:41.155
While she was in constant legal litigation lawyers just one hoping to get a part of the Like.

01:03:41.155 --> 01:04:06.534
They were like, yeah, we're working for this and like you don't have to pay us now, but we're taking whatever this settlement ends up being and like pretty much the payout that she got for that was basically nothing after the legal fees and stuff, the compensation for it, and the insurance did everything they possibly could to not have to pay and cover her, even though the other girl was found at fault and stuff.

01:04:06.885 --> 01:04:20.492
And it was just one of those things where I was like, wow, dude, if my mom literally does not get the medical care that is deserved to her for something that is not in any way, shape or form her fault, I could see myself burning shit to the ground.

01:04:20.492 --> 01:04:21.454
You know what I mean.

01:04:21.474 --> 01:04:39.449
Like I, it was one of those things where I was so boiled over angry and, and I think that's why so many people are resonating with this guy, um, and you know, like we said, not condoning his actions, what he did, but what we're seeing.

01:04:39.469 --> 01:04:43.036
I'm not gonna condone murder, but also I'm not gonna.

01:04:43.036 --> 01:04:48.056
Are you gonna stop him from shooting that ceo like, are you gonna step in front of that ceo and save his life?

01:04:48.806 --> 01:04:49.989
right, right, yeah, yeah, I mean it's, it's.

01:04:49.989 --> 01:04:58.396
This is a great example of like it's a, it's a um, you have an ethical moral dilemma, um, but do you?

01:04:58.396 --> 01:05:01.148
That's the hard part about this, or one way or the other, right, because you have.

01:05:01.148 --> 01:05:02.634
You have ethical morals on both sides.

01:05:02.634 --> 01:05:17.931
With the healthcare system, the CEO's choices him as a human, this other guy's a human, but what I think, what I've seen, even more so than like, yeah, there's people on the internet dropping comments of you know, you know, kill them all.

01:05:18.052 --> 01:05:51.931
Eat all the rich, yeah, all that sort of stuff, but what I've seen, more than that, is people sharing the stories me and you just shared lots of people saying my mom would still be here if they got the treatment they needed, or they were denied this and now it's chronic pain or a lifelong injury that cannot be fixed, like these sorts of things, and so that I've seen a lot more of those comments, and so that's why I think a lot of people are not necessarily condoning, like choosing one side or the other.

01:05:51.931 --> 01:06:01.813
They are addressing the larger issue, which is, um, you know, cause, if you take this on an individual basis, you have a dude shot another dude.

01:06:02.985 --> 01:06:32.931
That's, that's not that's not okay, especially seeing as, like, yes, this guy's CEO in power, like he's not the direct individual to his like, that's not like the person you blame for your back pain in in this case, but at the same time, you know, then you have a CEO who's making crazy, crazy, crazy amounts of money, more than anybody needs, and, uh and uh, profiting from people's suffering, profiting from people's pain, and really not delivering what they say they're going to deliver.

01:06:33.773 --> 01:06:41.356
Um and so you take these, this, this situation, blow it up to the large scale, which is a healthcare system that does not work as it stands.

01:06:41.356 --> 01:06:44.768
It does not stand currently.

01:06:44.768 --> 01:06:53.387
In this, you know, you could probably take a whole year long college course on why our healthcare system is the way it is.

01:06:53.387 --> 01:07:04.938
And you know, fully subsidized government healthcare isn't necessarily the way, but also, at the same time, fully privatized isn't the way.

01:07:04.938 --> 01:07:22.181
But I'll say this a mix of the two is for sure not the way, because ever since we've you know, basically since Obamacare and things like that have gone into place, that's when the private area really, really went off the rails when the private area really really went off the rails.

01:07:22.202 --> 01:07:28.405
Oh yeah, dude, everyone thought Obamacare was going to annihilate the private area, like the private insurance and medical Bro.

01:07:28.405 --> 01:07:34.297
Dude, the Obamacare is what, freaking, blew us off the rails dude, it messed it up so bad.

01:07:35.184 --> 01:07:43.213
And so the fact that it's not one way or the other, I think, is a very basic way of basic analysis, of saying why it doesn't work.

01:07:43.213 --> 01:07:47.797
But there's something not working and people are fed up with it.

01:07:47.797 --> 01:07:56.952
People want care, people want their health.

01:07:56.952 --> 01:08:01.396
If you do, if you are paying for or have an insurance, it's quote unquote covering you.

01:08:01.396 --> 01:08:23.136
You know, then it really is frustrating when you, even even on the smallest scale, which would be you have insurance, you go to the doctor when you need something, they do you know classic thing where you go in and they do like the tiniest thing, they pull a splinter out of your finger and you just needed help, and then you, you get a, a bill for 550 dollars.

01:08:23.136 --> 01:08:26.309
Yep, but you were covered on it, like you have insurance.

01:08:26.309 --> 01:08:26.850
So why?

01:08:26.850 --> 01:08:28.635
Why is this this way?

01:08:28.635 --> 01:08:30.586
And so that that's a very small, you're deductible.

01:08:30.605 --> 01:08:36.792
Your your deductible is 4 000 and they're out of network exactly this whole, this whole game that it is so um you know.

01:08:36.813 --> 01:08:45.382
So you're stealing money on my paycheck and I get no benefit and so, starting from, you're saying this service was worth that much money, which is also part of the problem.

01:08:45.382 --> 01:08:51.518
So you're saying this service was worth X amount of money, which is a little loco $15 ibuprofens, yeah, and then.

01:08:51.518 --> 01:08:57.296
And then you're saying you're not going to cover it when I pay you to cover it.

01:08:57.296 --> 01:09:10.175
It's like so when it breaks down that far, it's just very disheartening, very discouraging, makes people wonder why they even have it, you know, and it puts people in a spot where they are unhappy oh yeah, that was the one thing I was hearing.

01:09:10.216 --> 01:09:16.689
One of the great stories, you know, I mean, I've been and that's what I've been doing so much time is, honestly, just reading the stories of people who are like you know why I don't care, because this is my experience.

01:09:16.689 --> 01:09:19.414
You know why I don't care, because this is my experience.

01:09:19.414 --> 01:09:19.975
You know why.

01:09:20.037 --> 01:09:32.210
I don't care, because this is the experience of my wife, my children and one of them, like, was just like a funny one and it was like the day I stopped thinking that you know American health insurance had any validity.

01:09:32.210 --> 01:09:34.737
Was a nurse, not nurse?

01:09:34.737 --> 01:09:37.881
A dentist assistant asked how I was feeling.

01:09:37.881 --> 01:09:42.029
I said oh yeah, my mouth kind of hurts you know, after whatever root canal they had or whatever.

01:09:43.132 --> 01:09:45.198
And then I said oh well, do you want an ibuprofen?

01:09:45.198 --> 01:09:50.475
And he was like sure, she left and came back with one ibuprofen in a cup, gave it to him.

01:09:50.475 --> 01:09:51.636
He took it.

01:09:51.636 --> 01:09:54.587
Then he looked it was $25 on his bill.

01:09:54.587 --> 01:09:59.956
Yeah, and he's like huh, I thought she meant she was just grabbing it out of her purse Right.

01:09:59.956 --> 01:10:02.139
$25 for one ibuprofen pill.

01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:07.475
Right, okay, when already 25 bucks for the whole bottle is ludicrous.

01:10:07.475 --> 01:10:08.930
Yeah, much less one pill.

01:10:08.930 --> 01:10:11.989
Yeah, and so um and hey, a dollar.

01:10:11.989 --> 01:10:15.917
If you charge a dollar, you'd still profit and people wouldn't be as upset.

01:10:16.059 --> 01:10:18.939
Yeah, it's a you know it's a, it's's a.

01:10:18.939 --> 01:10:20.560
It's an unfortunate thing, but true.

01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:30.997
Like the american health care system is jacked as hell and it really didn't used to be, though like that's the thing too is like the american health care system didn't used to be broken.

01:10:30.997 --> 01:10:49.752
It was actually a very like and I'm saying this as someone who I don't think was alive to experience this um, but there was a point in time where, like the uh free market capitalism of health care insurance was a very competitive industry.

01:10:50.412 --> 01:11:20.015
That was something that was a cost evaluator for the everyday working person, and what I, and what I mean by the cost evaluator, was, like you evaluate, based on your income and your expectation of medical need, if you even needed insurance, because it was still relatively normal to pay the doctor out of your own pocket, to pay a hospital out of your own pocket, right, and like it wasn't even something you had to do a freaking payment plan for.

01:11:20.015 --> 01:11:23.291
But it was like, okay, well, we did just have.

01:11:23.291 --> 01:11:35.739
You know, my wife does have a pre-existing condition, she is pregnant and I do know one of my children, you know, has a you know, physical condition or mental condition that, like we're going into.

01:11:35.739 --> 01:11:41.654
So it does make sense for me to get health insurance, but it doesn't make for Joe Schmo to be paying that money.

01:11:42.005 --> 01:11:43.211
Because he could pay for it if he needed to.

01:11:43.505 --> 01:11:47.115
And he doesn't go to the, his family just doesn't go to the hospital as much, right?

01:11:47.115 --> 01:11:49.449
And that was a real like.

01:11:49.449 --> 01:11:49.890
That was.

01:11:49.890 --> 01:11:57.715
The majority of the lived experience was, like, you just evaluate based on that and you don't do it, and if you needed it, you could just pull it out of savings, right?

01:11:57.715 --> 01:12:23.395
And then there was this individual who started going around purchasing health insurance companies and started, like, also purchasing hospitals and essentially setting it up so that way you could charge, you know, ludicrous expenses to these insurance companies for bills, because one they're going to be litigated to all hell and what you get paid out of them is going to be a settlement.

01:12:23.395 --> 01:12:26.140
And of course, well, how do you get a higher settlement?

01:12:26.140 --> 01:12:29.872
Well, you have a much more ludicrous, higher first number on the bill.

01:12:29.872 --> 01:12:34.252
So it gets settled down to and agreed upon and negotiated down to what it is.

01:12:34.753 --> 01:12:45.639
And so, all that said, it also essentially got monopolized into a single like you, you know, essentially like cartel of health insurance companies, right?

01:12:45.639 --> 01:12:59.197
That's why I like there's only four or five big ones nowadays is because they all got essentially purchased up and wrapped up into one entity and that entity now practices in every single town, in every single state.

01:12:59.197 --> 01:13:14.154
And oh yeah Also, by the way, they are partnered with the federal government and not only do they insure most of the government's employees, but they also are like the healthcare company that is paying your Medicare.

01:13:14.154 --> 01:13:21.188
A lot of people don't know that, but like Medicare, when you retire, you switch from like Medicare.

01:13:21.188 --> 01:13:29.448
That is like if you were to go on Medicare before reaching the age of 65, you're going on it because of disability Right and that's paid out of.

01:13:29.448 --> 01:13:30.452
Like Medicare A or B.

01:13:30.452 --> 01:13:37.578
Medicare C is what people get switched over to when they just retire and they're no longer underneath the company's insurance.

01:13:38.345 --> 01:13:43.166
Medicare C is not paid by the federal government insurance.

01:13:43.166 --> 01:13:44.488
Medicare C is not paid by the federal government.

01:13:44.488 --> 01:13:53.333
Medicare C is paid like the government pays private insurance to run the claims and checks on Medicare C for you and pay out and oversee the billing and process and that's what you're part of.

01:13:53.333 --> 01:14:00.952
Like your Medicare tax out of your paycheck goes to and it's actually paying just these private companies to do it.

01:14:00.952 --> 01:14:02.935
It's not even a federal institution anymore.

01:14:02.975 --> 01:14:14.018
Right, they're so deeply wrapped, entwined into the fabric of our economy and our government now that it's like we literally have to tear it out by the roots.

01:14:14.666 --> 01:14:29.372
and, and here's the thing too, as a business owner too, anytime I hear, um, the possibility for a private company to do something the government needs to do, that's dollar bill signs, right.

01:14:29.372 --> 01:14:31.395
So, um, and that's how it is.

01:14:31.395 --> 01:14:44.850
Any you know anything that the government needs, whether it's a, you know, fix a fence, or all the way over to, you know, have a consultant to build a missile, or have somebody figure out your healthcare.

01:14:44.850 --> 01:14:50.688
Now that there's another middleman and they got to privatize it, that's where it very easily and quickly goes.

01:14:50.688 --> 01:14:53.435
Oh, we can charge them whatever you know.

01:14:53.805 --> 01:15:05.893
And that's and that is a sentiment that I don't everybody knows Everybody has right, oh, if you talk, oh, he's got all the government contracts, oh well, you talk, oh, he's got all the government contracts, oh well, you know he's doing good, right, that's whatever that might be.

01:15:05.893 --> 01:15:20.814
And so the because there's some big pot and pool of money that everybody's been paying into, and so someone wants to suck out of it, and so, um, you, there's less checks and balances in there, and it's not the.

01:15:20.814 --> 01:15:27.512
The classic issues too, is the whoever, the, the person on the government side of things.

01:15:27.512 --> 01:15:38.396
It's not their money, nope, right, and so it's just like oh yeah, here it is, and send it out, right so it is not like they're going to be fired if they mismanage it or if I miss pay Right and that's a.

01:15:38.396 --> 01:15:38.976
so mispay right and that's a.

01:15:38.976 --> 01:15:40.637
So I was like, why the hell are you paying them 60 mil?

01:15:40.637 --> 01:15:50.363
Yeah when, like, we should be paying them two mil yeah a year for, like, whatever they're doing right, and it's just like oh 60 mil sounded fine to me, exactly, and that and that's on a that.

01:15:50.403 --> 01:15:55.259
That that's a whole, another bigger conversation of, like the whole of the you know of the system.

01:15:55.259 --> 01:16:03.668
But, um, this health care system is a big piece of the puzzle and the pie on it, especially when it comes to how it affects individuals.

01:16:03.668 --> 01:16:21.533
You know, like, yeah, lockheed Martin selling some missile for you know 500 K, all right, you know that's doesn't necessarily involve me or you day to day in our life or in an average person's life, but when it comes to health care systems, that affects all of us.

01:16:21.533 --> 01:16:36.850
We all have either ourselves or someone we know or love, who's, you know, needs medical help and medical attention and so, um, and it's one of those things where there's a hand, only a handful of things that people will pay money for.

01:16:37.412 --> 01:16:41.824
If you were so strapped for cash and you just couldn't make it happen, you're not gonna have a cell phone, you're not, couldn't make it happen.

01:16:41.824 --> 01:16:42.372
You're not going to have a cell phone.

01:16:42.372 --> 01:16:44.591
You're not going to have a new TV or whatever.

01:16:44.591 --> 01:16:47.185
You're not going to, you know, have a car or whatever.

01:16:47.185 --> 01:16:51.833
All these like you know, kind of goods and services types, things You're not going to call a plumber, you're going to figure it out.

01:16:51.833 --> 01:16:57.136
If you have stage four cancer, you're going to do it right.

01:16:57.136 --> 01:17:07.216
And so that's where it gets people by the short hairs.

01:17:07.216 --> 01:17:07.898
Where they have to, they have to.

01:17:07.898 --> 01:17:08.193
They have no other choice.

01:17:08.193 --> 01:17:08.635
They have no one else, no other.

01:17:08.635 --> 01:17:10.520
And because it has been monopolized, you can't go down the street, you can't go.

01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:14.673
I'm going to the next hardware store see if they sell these nails for cheaper, just like nope, that's what it is.

01:17:14.673 --> 01:17:31.252
That's also because the there also are some uh, basically, procedures that have gotten involved too, where they say this should cost X amount, and typically those are exorbitant costs.

01:17:31.412 --> 01:17:33.136
Oh yeah, yep.

01:17:33.136 --> 01:17:44.458
Well, let me ask you this, pat Are you a single payer healthcare idea?

01:17:44.458 --> 01:17:48.029
Sorry, so for what?

01:17:48.029 --> 01:17:53.176
So single pay healthcare is like the socialist healthcare right, right, right, okay, right right.

01:17:53.176 --> 01:17:59.164
Everyone pays and there is no such thing as health insurance companies anymore.

01:18:00.327 --> 01:18:05.918
I think that in a perfect world that sounds great.

01:18:05.918 --> 01:18:22.765
Also, I think that and when we've talked about this before on here too, it's like that's one of those things where it's like, yeah, that would work great if an EpiPen cost $25 instead of $650.

01:18:22.765 --> 01:18:26.965
Or if this procedure cost $30,000 instead of $600,000.

01:18:26.965 --> 01:18:30.914
And then it would be sustainable for the people paying in.

01:18:30.914 --> 01:18:38.899
And so the privatized market has to be corrected before a socialized system can ever function under it.

01:18:38.899 --> 01:18:55.057
System can ever function under it because, like the issue I was just saying with the government contracts would be um, unless you would have to have every single medical company, every single hospital, every single doctor all the way down, the whole thing would have to be government employees.

01:18:55.057 --> 01:19:02.320
And we know by ever visiting the dmv, the service might not be that good at that point.

01:19:02.320 --> 01:19:09.719
So you do have to, I believe, have a competitive private sector providing service.

01:19:09.719 --> 01:19:14.094
But how do you get people what they need?

01:19:14.094 --> 01:19:18.792
Keep that competition and not have it where?

01:19:18.792 --> 01:19:24.715
Then the private companies can just charge the government whatever they want for those services at exorbitant costs.

01:19:24.715 --> 01:19:37.520
So I think that it's not a horrible system to have help for people who need it through the government and to have private health care.

01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:43.315
I think both can exist, but they have to.

01:19:43.315 --> 01:19:45.078
They can't be so co-mingled.

01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:47.451
You know, as we've been talking about, that's part of the that's the problem.

01:19:47.451 --> 01:19:50.949
That's happening is there's also a big word, um.

01:19:50.949 --> 01:20:14.077
That's the main issue here too, and a lot of it which roots back to this uh, ceo guy maybe and I'm using him as an example of the whole system which, which would be the word greed, right, and so it's like if you could cut greed out of the deal and if you could put doctors and nurses in charge instead of MBAs and CEOs, I think that could fix the problem pretty fast too.

01:20:14.077 --> 01:20:19.713
People who, you know, go into $300,000 of debt to help people.

01:20:19.713 --> 01:20:28.240
Yes, they're going to make good money, but they go into they, they work night shifts, they study their butts off to help people.

01:20:28.280 --> 01:20:35.070
There is like an earnest piece of those folks and they're not the administrators, not the ones making the decisions, they're not the ones making the profit.

01:20:35.070 --> 01:20:47.296
Necessarily, there are private practices, whatever, but, like you know, that's that's the big issue with our healthcare system is it's began to be run by, um, people who aren't in the business of care.

01:20:47.296 --> 01:21:06.699
They're in the business of business and so, you know, I, I don't have a perfect answer for it and besides the fact of you know saying, yeah, in a perfect world it'd be great if we all paid into the pot and then everybody got great care, um, but sort of fixing other big, big issues first, that's never going to work.

01:21:07.100 --> 01:21:08.162
Yeah, yeah.

01:21:08.162 --> 01:21:24.596
So I also think in a perfect world, yeah, it'd be great if the US could actually have single payer or universal health care, right, which I just don't think it's actually a reality, like if you do the math it's not a reality at all.

01:21:24.596 --> 01:21:26.872
It would bankrupt the US.

01:21:26.872 --> 01:21:36.675
And so I think the real solution is for a country with our population size is flat rate.

01:21:36.675 --> 01:22:02.301
I've heard other people say single rate, but flat rate health insurance that essentially still allows there to be a private commercial, like capitalistic industry, right, but the, the rate is essentially capped, like you cannot charge more than this right.

01:22:02.301 --> 01:22:10.273
Like this is, this is like the this is what everybody pays when they get health insurance, no matter which company they sign up for, and stuff.

01:22:10.725 --> 01:22:16.953
So, in order to have that, you need to have, like, in order to get their business, you need to offer more competitive packages.

01:22:16.953 --> 01:22:33.769
And I've heard a lot of people kind of talk about this of like, you know, flat rate, you know, could be essentially the way to bring everything and rein everything back into a realistic budget.

01:22:33.769 --> 01:22:34.591
Right, and it is.

01:22:34.591 --> 01:22:46.630
It is kind of like the reason in a lot of ways, like we see, like, certain prices and rates like that just exist regardless of, you know, like the market condition.

01:22:46.630 --> 01:22:53.953
Right, like um, there is a reason, uh, your bread can't be sold for x amount of dollars at the grocery store.

01:22:53.953 --> 01:22:56.305
Right, there's like actual price control.

01:22:57.287 --> 01:23:04.761
Um, on a lot of our quote free capital market, um, and it's, you know it does get into that.

01:23:04.761 --> 01:23:08.212
Part of like is the should the government be have the right to do that?

01:23:08.212 --> 01:23:10.372
You know, if you're really a capitalist, what do you think?

01:23:10.372 --> 01:23:27.416
Um, and I think it's, you know we see it work on a pretty small scale, like, if you look at a lot of the um, uh, the Christian health insurance companies, a lot of the Christian health, the christian health insurance companies, a lot of the christian health insurance is like it's just a flat rate.

01:23:27.416 --> 01:23:33.353
Everybody pays this each month and when you need to use it, you use it right and it like it works really well for the most part.

01:23:33.393 --> 01:23:50.597
Like a lot of these places, a lot of these smaller like health insurance, uh, medical coverage, um flat rate companies, uh and groups seem to be having a lot of success um in the U S with how they're working on it and everyone pays the same price.

01:23:50.597 --> 01:23:59.355
Um cause it honestly like yes, you're going to have bad actors who are like I want to take advantage of it, but they're going to do that with single payer too.

01:23:59.355 --> 01:24:02.893
Um, and they're they're doing it right now on Medicare.

01:24:03.314 --> 01:24:14.213
You know what I mean, and it's like one of those things of like I think flat rate makes sense because, on a grand scheme of thing, people don't want to take advantage of it and spend more time in the hospital.

01:24:14.213 --> 01:24:18.775
Yeah, and of course, there's things that are like, not covered by flat rate healthcare.

01:24:18.775 --> 01:24:22.744
Like, flat rate doesn't cover cosmetic surgery, right?

01:24:22.744 --> 01:24:34.735
You don't just get to sign up for, like this Christian healthcare network and then get you know your plastic surgery on your boobs and lip filler and your eyebrows done, right, like it, it that is not going to cover it, right?

01:24:35.586 --> 01:24:49.332
I'm also a big fan of HSAs and I think it'd be almost I don't know, I think it'd be much more advantageous to every American to go and open up an HSA.

01:24:49.332 --> 01:24:52.377
Like you can open up an HSA outside of your health insurance.

01:24:52.377 --> 01:24:59.939
It's just that a lot of health insurances come with a packaged HSA plan and therefore you can.

01:24:59.939 --> 01:25:04.145
Then it's a lot easier to just have it directly come out of your paycheck.

01:25:04.145 --> 01:25:20.911
But, like a lot of people don't realize, you could just be like hey, I'm an individual, you run HSAs, I would like to open an HSA, and they're like okay, sick, it's outside of your healthcare coverage, so just yeah, I mean it really doesn't mean anything at all.

01:25:21.371 --> 01:25:27.657
They're just like, just don't forget about it, you know, like when it comes to your bill, because you have to pay into it monthly, right, yeah?

01:25:27.657 --> 01:25:45.465
But like I just don't understand why more people don't use HSA, because I mean, that's what I do and for everything I got to pay for out of pocket, I have almost always have two grand in that HSA and anytime it goes over two grand, it automatically invests, oh yeah.

01:25:45.465 --> 01:25:58.591
And then anytime I like buy new glasses with it or a prescription, it doesn't invest anymore until it gets back to like at least two grand in the account and that's like a very safe feeling.

01:25:58.591 --> 01:25:59.193
You know what I mean.

01:26:00.275 --> 01:26:00.636
For sure.

01:26:00.636 --> 01:26:17.212
So, and I think a quick breakdown like the uh, the flat rate I was looking at this is uh health care cost in 2022 was 4.5 trillion, which equates to uh, basically 13 500 per person.

01:26:17.212 --> 01:26:21.717
Now divide that out for a year $1,000 a month.

01:26:22.198 --> 01:26:23.841
Say $1,300 per person.

01:26:23.841 --> 01:26:27.484
Yeah, so about $13,000 a person each year.

01:26:27.484 --> 01:26:29.851
Yep, that's unreal dude, yep.

01:26:29.993 --> 01:26:30.515
That's crazy.

01:26:30.515 --> 01:26:40.496
But so then it's like all right, a thousand bucks a month, flat rate, maybe not the end end of the world, but what if you're a family of five and now it's 67,000 a year?

01:26:40.496 --> 01:26:53.533
So, but then, but also then to take it back to like, let's take the EpiPen example, cause I was looking like in Australia or whatever, and, granted, this maybe isn't perfect math, because they have it subsidized, so they might be paying part of it.

01:26:53.533 --> 01:27:01.542
And then the person but, like you know, if you can get, you know, epipen for 35 bucks, yep, here you get it for 650.

01:27:01.542 --> 01:27:07.085
That's 5%, right, yeah, it's 5.3%.

01:27:07.085 --> 01:27:22.152
So if you take that same $13,000 a year and you go five and you can actually, if you shrunk the cost correctly, where you're down to 800, it's 800 bucks per person, per year.

01:27:22.192 --> 01:27:23.073
That's crazy, dude.

01:27:24.425 --> 01:27:27.014
Okay, now you have something you can work with.

01:27:27.014 --> 01:27:29.192
And, granted, I'm using some extremes here.

01:27:29.192 --> 01:27:35.211
I'm not getting into the fact that, like, what about every individual who works in the health care, comp care world?

01:27:35.211 --> 01:27:38.648
Like they're not going to make, like how are they going to make money right off of that?

01:27:38.648 --> 01:27:39.050
I don't know.

01:27:39.310 --> 01:27:41.416
But there's some truth be told.

01:27:41.416 --> 01:27:45.216
I think we need to pay doctors and nurses good money.

01:27:45.216 --> 01:27:47.122
I think nurses should be making six figures.

01:27:47.122 --> 01:27:50.228
If they're a good nurse, they're not a lazy ass nurse.

01:27:50.228 --> 01:27:52.150
I think they should be making six figures.

01:27:52.150 --> 01:28:06.668
Just the same way, I feel about, like you know, great firefighters, great police officers, like out there serving the community, not being pieces of crap like I genuinely think they deserve to be paid well because they are serving and giving up a lot.

01:28:07.510 --> 01:28:13.300
Um, I don't think doctors should be making a million dollars a year, like when a doc.

01:28:13.300 --> 01:28:22.951
When there does come a point where, like, doctors are making some kind of you know they're making so much money that it's like who are you treating Right?

01:28:22.951 --> 01:28:24.175
Is that are?

01:28:24.175 --> 01:28:24.595
Are you?

01:28:24.595 --> 01:28:40.028
Are you still an ethical practitioner or are you only treating certain patients and people to like make a profit, and are you essentially just a doctor for hire for those who can afford you and you're denying your medical ability and proficiency to others?

01:28:40.028 --> 01:28:45.612
You know what I mean and it's just, it's like one of those things that, like I started getting real like wait a second.

01:28:46.533 --> 01:28:54.287
I don't like the idea of private cops I don't like the idea of cops making a million dollars a year, because that means they're only going to be protecting the person who pays their checks.

01:28:54.287 --> 01:28:55.613
You know what I mean.

01:28:55.613 --> 01:29:01.786
It gets like pretty twisted and sus the more it gets out there.

01:29:01.786 --> 01:29:04.649
So, all that said, I do think we can pay these people well.

01:29:04.649 --> 01:29:16.457
I do think you can give them, you can pay them for the value they contribute to society, and all that because they are, at the end of the day, saving lives and hopefully doing it right and improving lives.

01:29:16.457 --> 01:29:23.752
Also, though, like there does, there is a line in the sand of like what is corruption?

01:29:23.752 --> 01:29:37.389
I think you know, and I do think flat rate would seriously help remove that financial kind of corruption and bias that is kind of permeated through healthcare and coverage.

01:29:38.332 --> 01:29:40.618
Yeah, Yep, yep.

01:29:41.161 --> 01:29:45.572
Do you know how much you can contribute legally to an HSA every year before the IRS punishes you?

01:29:45.572 --> 01:29:47.435
I have no idea.

01:29:47.435 --> 01:29:58.868
So you said right now if we even did that across all Americans, it'd be $13,500 per person as an individual.

01:29:58.868 --> 01:30:13.849
Right now, in 2024, you can contribute up to $3,500 a year to your HSA before it maxes out and the IRS would punish you for over contributions and you get fines you can't even really cover.

01:30:14.610 --> 01:30:16.216
You can cover like 10% of your.

01:30:17.908 --> 01:30:22.076
If your spouse and you are both under it, you could contribute up to 8,000.

01:30:22.516 --> 01:30:28.676
Yeah, so, yeah so, but yeah, so it's like it's not even half of like, of half of what you two are technically paying.

01:30:29.105 --> 01:30:30.130
Would contribute to the pot.

01:30:30.130 --> 01:30:32.551
Yeah, isn't that crazy.

01:30:35.045 --> 01:30:36.970
Oh yeah, it's a game, it's a club and you ain't in it.

01:30:36.970 --> 01:30:43.877
Oh yeah, and that's where I think a couple things that could really take care of this like I'm interested in, like the.

01:30:43.877 --> 01:30:46.104
Uh, what old bobby kennedy's gonna do?

01:30:46.465 --> 01:30:48.088
make all the fat kids healthy again.

01:30:48.248 --> 01:30:54.591
I think bobby kennedy's gonna freaking gut some stuff and so on, the and like what's also crazy too, that sorry not to keep cutting you off.

01:30:54.613 --> 01:31:09.636
But like it's unreal to me that like we're seeing bernie coming out to offering like help improve the health care system with, like not an entire socialist makeover of it, but of a like proposed possible flat rate plan as well.

01:31:09.636 --> 01:31:17.856
Of just like hey, I see trump building you know the freaking avengers over here exactly like I could, like I'm old.

01:31:17.856 --> 01:31:19.001
It's not about making money.

01:31:19.001 --> 01:31:19.261
Now.

01:31:19.261 --> 01:31:21.448
I really don't think bernie's in it for the money.

01:31:21.448 --> 01:31:28.203
I think bernie I don't get it wrong, I'm sure he'd be happy to make some money, but like I think for him it's the same thing, like robert kennedy said.

01:31:28.203 --> 01:31:30.908
Robert kennedy said you know, this is not about being rich.

01:31:30.908 --> 01:31:32.211
I'm already a wealthy man.

01:31:32.211 --> 01:31:34.514
I only have 10 good years left.

01:31:34.514 --> 01:31:39.787
This is about doing what I can finally with those last 10 years before it's too late.

01:31:39.787 --> 01:31:41.170
And I think Bernie's even more.

01:31:41.170 --> 01:31:42.854
Like I got five.

01:31:42.854 --> 01:31:45.298
I better make them count.

01:31:45.298 --> 01:31:46.386
And I think it's a.

01:31:46.407 --> 01:31:56.733
This is an opportunity to make them count, yeah, and I think these kind of if, yeah, if the reaches across the aisle can keep happening, that's what we need, obviously in a huge, huge way.

01:31:56.733 --> 01:32:11.412
And so you have to see, like we went over, we did a whole podcast on kind of health care crisis or not, the health crisis that like, uh, that bobby kennedy was addressing, and like, man, like there should just be that that 4.

01:32:11.412 --> 01:32:15.818
Point whatever trillion dollars of healthcare that we needed.

01:32:15.818 --> 01:32:22.832
Yeah, that's inflated and like cause everybody's in charge too much, but also like we just shouldn't be needing that much healthcare.

01:32:22.851 --> 01:32:23.935
Yeah, Right, no kidding.

01:32:23.935 --> 01:32:29.411
If everyone, if Americans were as healthy as Australians, right, right, like we wouldn't be unreal.

01:32:32.925 --> 01:32:33.085
We don't.

01:32:33.085 --> 01:32:34.890
We wouldn't need all this, you know, whatever, you know, all these, all this health care.

01:32:34.890 --> 01:32:38.405
So that's, that's a huge piece of it that I would like to see.

01:32:38.405 --> 01:32:45.109
It's like, hey, what if we do actually start to uh, you know, get healthy in those ways, and I guess we'll just pay for it.

01:32:45.109 --> 01:32:52.938
On the other end, where all of our food's just going to cost so much money because if they have to follow the guidelines, then it's going to be like a lot.

01:32:52.938 --> 01:32:56.695
It's like $40 for a bag of Doritos for them to like do it healthily.

01:32:56.965 --> 01:32:59.171
But that's the thing is like you won't buy Doritos anymore.

01:32:59.652 --> 01:33:00.274
You know what I mean.

01:33:00.274 --> 01:33:02.728
That's true, but also.

01:33:02.747 --> 01:33:04.613
Doritos don't cost $40 in England.

01:33:04.613 --> 01:33:06.136
That's true.

01:33:06.396 --> 01:33:06.757
That's true.

01:33:07.126 --> 01:33:07.929
Or in like Germany.

01:33:07.929 --> 01:33:08.792
That's a good point.

01:33:08.792 --> 01:33:10.246
The chips there are still $3.

01:33:10.265 --> 01:33:11.765
Like it's a good point, the chips there are still $3.

01:33:11.765 --> 01:33:12.707
That is true, that's a good point.

01:33:12.707 --> 01:33:16.328
So I'm excited to see what he's going to do, see if we get actually get anything happen there.

01:33:16.328 --> 01:33:44.042
And then also just with you know, as people are excited about you know, kind of reformatting, you know, some of our government agencies and different things like hopefully, things like this and events like this that we talked about, where people are really bringing their frustration with the healthcare to you know up and you know to the elites.

01:33:44.042 --> 01:33:47.682
Hopefully they'll listen, hopefully they'll make a difference, hopefully they'll make some changes.

01:33:52.725 --> 01:33:53.326
We'll see about all that.

01:33:53.326 --> 01:34:01.744
But well, didn't you see the new interim ceo said like we are going to continue to model our history of reviewing and denying like inaccurate, you know, or unrealistic.

01:34:01.744 --> 01:34:04.251
He just cannot be in, like he just doubled down on it.

01:34:04.291 --> 01:34:06.985
He's like and honestly, I'm gonna cut the head off.

01:34:06.985 --> 01:34:08.451
Yeah, seven replace it.

01:34:08.451 --> 01:34:09.394
I would.

01:34:09.394 --> 01:34:09.935
It's hard.

01:34:09.935 --> 01:34:12.985
It is hard too, because if I was him in his position, I wouldn't have the.

01:34:12.985 --> 01:34:13.381
I would have the hard.

01:34:13.381 --> 01:34:14.819
It is hard too because if I was in in his position, I wouldn't have the.

01:34:14.819 --> 01:34:17.302
I would have the thing of, like we don't negotiate with terrorists.

01:34:17.302 --> 01:34:21.112
That's exactly what I was about to say we, we, we draw a heel once.

01:34:21.353 --> 01:34:27.002
They're just going to continue doing it yeah, that, that's that I was about to say the exact, exact phrase not negotiate with terrorists.

01:34:27.002 --> 01:34:33.097
You're like we're coming in here, we're doing what we're doing and you know there's uh, it is a super complex system.

01:34:33.097 --> 01:34:35.051
Who knows how it can all get worked out?

01:34:35.131 --> 01:34:54.673
and here's my thing, though I don't think it matters if that's their philosophy, because I do think, like this, honestly, like this is a robin hood moment, like, and we just run something by you, okay, mm-hmm, we have had for the last.

01:34:54.673 --> 01:34:55.636
What do you think of that?

01:34:55.636 --> 01:34:56.377
Moscow Sour?

01:34:56.377 --> 01:35:00.032
It's good, it's sour, doesn't it taste, though, exactly like a Moscow Mule.

01:35:00.032 --> 01:35:02.139
It is, I don't think it tastes like beer at all.

01:35:02.523 --> 01:35:02.645
Yeah.

01:35:03.225 --> 01:35:13.161
All right, so for the last, let's say, 20 years roughly-ish, we can even go for the last 25 years, so that way we scoop up columbine.

01:35:13.161 --> 01:35:27.210
We have had the quote unquote school shooter incel um, bullied, denied from being able to partake in the social norms and social groups of society, right?

01:35:27.210 --> 01:35:39.400
These individuals who have essentially said you know, the world hates me and I hate it and I'm going to punish it because at least that's the one agency I can have and it.

01:35:39.400 --> 01:35:52.956
And there was a point where a lot of them, when you read their manifestos and their journals and things like that, where they truly actually wanted to do something heroic, like, well, if I can do something heroic enough, it will change the perspective people have of me.

01:35:52.956 --> 01:36:03.578
If I can be a hero and I can be Robin Hood or I can be Superman for just one day, then people will love me and I won't have to do this.

01:36:03.578 --> 01:36:22.868
And then like, of course that doesn't happen and it's like, okay, now it's like I've given up hope of ever having the day where I'm Superman and people are now in in, people's opinions have changed now it's like I'm just going to be the thing they think I am, but punish them for it and it's a very, it's a very dark thing, but it's.

01:36:22.868 --> 01:36:31.814
It's exactly what happens in echo chambers and with continued isolation and rejection, right um.

01:36:31.814 --> 01:36:47.082
But now, for the first time, I think, in the last 25 years, outside of like truly selfless acts of heroism where, like I don't know if you've seen this video, but like this one went famous and around the whole world.

01:36:47.122 --> 01:36:59.917
A lot of people don't know the guy's name, but it was in like brazil, where a homeless man tackled a guy that had a girl hostage on the top of some steps and the police just didn't have a clear shot on the guy.

01:37:00.045 --> 01:37:22.047
I think the guy maybe had a knife on the chick's neck, but this homeless man came up from the side and ran up and grabbed the guy's knife and pinned his arm away while their girl crawled away and the police open fired on both of them and the homeless man got hit with like seven stray rounds and just bled out and died there too.

01:37:22.047 --> 01:37:30.619
But he's like there's a statue to his name that the community put together and like he's remembered as a true hero because he was like I'm.

01:37:30.619 --> 01:37:35.872
I am going to get stabbed to death or I'm probably going to get shot, but that woman is not going to die.

01:37:35.872 --> 01:37:51.390
I'm going to do something about it because it is crazy, like that guy did it and not another cop, right, you know, but like so there, there was a few heroes we've seen in our lifetime, like that Harambe, um, but like we haven't seen the Robin hood, like we haven't seen the Robin.

01:37:51.411 --> 01:37:51.530
Hood.

01:37:51.530 --> 01:37:58.301
We haven't seen the true what a lot of people see as like man of the people does what all the people wish to do.

01:37:58.301 --> 01:38:19.599
And even though I disagree with this perpetrator's actions and I think it is a criminal act, and and it is it is a criminal act and and it is, it is wrong, um, that is, that doesn't matter.

01:38:19.599 --> 01:38:26.118
Society right now across the globe has deemed this man a hero in robin hood.

01:38:26.118 --> 01:38:42.117
It and it is across both aisles and it's one of the things that conservatives and liberals here can shake the hands of conservatives and liberals elsewhere and be like, yep, none of us got a problem with it, right, like we're chill with that hell.

01:38:42.117 --> 01:38:43.462
It should probably happen more often.

01:38:43.462 --> 01:39:01.537
Shocking, it took this long to occur and I recognize that emotion and I truly believe that now we might, we may see that catalyze and become much more, uh, prolific in the vigilantism right in the.

01:39:01.537 --> 01:39:08.211
Oh my god, I can be a hero, I can be world renowned.

01:39:08.211 --> 01:39:16.668
Uh, I can be, uh, someone that all the streamers On Twitch are talking about and you know, thinking, wow, someone should have done it.

01:39:16.668 --> 01:39:18.554
This guy Actually took action.

01:39:18.554 --> 01:39:19.645
What balls does he have?

01:39:19.645 --> 01:39:20.777
Wow, he's so smart.

01:39:20.777 --> 01:39:21.240
Think about it.

01:39:21.240 --> 01:39:22.368
He's probably Playing this all out.

01:39:22.368 --> 01:39:25.412
Wow, why did he get caught with all this stuff?

01:39:25.412 --> 01:39:27.573
It must Be some, a part of some greater plan.

01:39:28.207 --> 01:39:30.649
And then women women Love you.

01:39:30.649 --> 01:39:33.171
Or if you're Gay, gay men love you.

01:39:33.171 --> 01:39:37.591
Like everyone loves you and thinks you're hot and awesome and they want to send you fan mail.

01:39:37.591 --> 01:39:42.055
Everyone's saying freeing, like they want you to get you know out of jail.

01:39:42.055 --> 01:39:53.420
And it's one of those things where it's like okay, like I don't have to be a villain because you know I've been rejected from society.

01:39:53.420 --> 01:39:58.962
I just need to find the cause where I get to be a hero and I'm not going to lie man.

01:39:58.962 --> 01:40:00.166
Like that's not surprising to me.

01:40:00.166 --> 01:40:07.113
That's a fantasy that I think every young man has at some point or another of like what would I do, given that opportunity to be a hero, make a difference?

01:40:07.113 --> 01:40:14.695
And like, could I get away with doing like something that, like you know, might might have, like you know, criminal consequences, but could I do it?

01:40:14.775 --> 01:40:30.975
And I I don't even know if that's like what this perpetrator was thinking in any way, shape or form, but I do think this perpetrator saw what they perceived as an absolute injustice and they took action with a lot of methodical sophistication and it.

01:40:30.975 --> 01:40:42.154
It was something that was immediately recognized as professional thought through clearly having an agenda to it, and it was a.

01:40:42.154 --> 01:40:45.685
It was precision in which no one else was harmed.

01:40:45.685 --> 01:40:51.387
Right and and I think that is also like what has won everyone over Right.

01:40:51.387 --> 01:40:57.131
It's kind of like Ted Kaczynski didn't want to kill civilians, he just wanted to stop Skynet.

01:40:57.131 --> 01:41:06.117
And Ted Kaczynski probably would have had a lot more people thinking he was Robin Hood if he wasn't bombing.

01:41:07.938 --> 01:41:28.431
And you think, I don't know, I definitely think we could see a whole, you know, ushering of new vigilantes, right, not, and not like I think we might not see as many school shooters over the next decade because they are like oh dude, luigi, if Luigi's the perpetrator, you got to be a hero for one day.

01:41:28.431 --> 01:41:29.555
People love him.

01:41:29.555 --> 01:41:32.289
So I don't know, what are you?

01:41:32.289 --> 01:41:32.895
What are you thinking?

01:41:32.935 --> 01:41:45.917
or that I, I'm, and again I say all that as someone who's like not condoning it, but just recognizing, like doesn't matter how I feel the world feels this way right, yeah, no for sure, and I think that yeah.

01:41:45.978 --> 01:41:58.617
I do think it's interesting, though, because, let's, if you game out in a way to of like, if the let's say that the Trump assassination attempt was successful, what would a lot of people been commenting or saying?

01:42:00.445 --> 01:42:01.368
I think that I think the.

01:42:01.368 --> 01:42:02.954
I think that would have been too divisive.

01:42:03.305 --> 01:42:10.677
Still, it's pretty divisive but there's sort of you wouldn't see as many people you know.

01:42:10.677 --> 01:42:13.233
Kind of be okay that we, I feel like you would still see plenty.

01:42:13.233 --> 01:42:14.587
Of you know he deserved it.

01:42:15.250 --> 01:42:23.396
This, this kid, saved democracy you know I think, yeah, we would see some of that right, but I don't think it'd be a unilateral across aisles.

01:42:23.557 --> 01:42:51.109
Right for sure, and so, but as far as like the mentality of the individual, whereas this guy, like his target, was less divisive and easier for like less politicized and like good looking, clean cut, good pedigree guy where it's easier to be like, it is easier to be like, oh, this guy's kind of like Batman, not like oh, this guy's just the Riddler, some freak in his basement.

01:42:51.109 --> 01:42:52.320
Like you know, it was the Rdler, some freak in his basement.

01:42:52.341 --> 01:43:07.634
Yeah, like you know, you know, like the, like the, the new, it was the riddler and the newest batman, right, you know where he's, just like you know, trying to he was in his apartment, yeah, but anyways, yeah, I know but, like you know, but he was in it, yeah, but he's like he's streaming on twitch.

01:43:07.654 --> 01:43:15.838
Streaming on twitch and like recruiting other riddlers to do the shootings for a social upheaval and big, great change, right like.

01:43:16.204 --> 01:43:42.257
So, you know, I I do agree with you and that there there are people right now who are thinking that this is maybe their next, their their moment to shine, their next, their contribution, you know, and so there we could see very similar things play out.

01:43:42.257 --> 01:43:51.876
And you know, hopefully it can be, I doubt it, but hopefully it can be.

01:43:51.876 --> 01:43:59.304
I doubt it, but hopefully it can be something that does just bring the issue to the surface.

01:43:59.304 --> 01:44:02.573
Yeah, that to be changed in the right ways.

01:44:02.573 --> 01:44:11.756
Difficult for things to be changed peacefully, rarely does it happen, but it is possible.

01:44:18.204 --> 01:44:19.207
Yeah, it is possible, yeah, it's it is hard.

01:44:19.226 --> 01:44:29.145
I mean, I'll say this too though it's hard for me to think of another industry that has destroyed all goodwill it had with the american people.

01:44:29.145 --> 01:44:33.095
You know, it's like I can't even think of.

01:44:33.095 --> 01:44:35.833
Like dude, you can't go and just kill the CEO of Pepsi.

01:44:35.833 --> 01:44:38.465
Or like McDonald's, or you know what I mean.

01:44:38.465 --> 01:44:41.253
Like a lot of people be like whoa, what the hell?

01:44:41.253 --> 01:44:43.170
Right, like what'd they ever do?

01:44:43.170 --> 01:44:47.155
It's like, well, soda and fast food poisons us.

01:44:47.155 --> 01:44:56.139
I mean, even then you go kill, like someone who's like the CEO of a Phillips, whatever it is for Tobacco and nicotine products.

01:44:56.287 --> 01:44:59.625
It's like, yeah, it's literally Killing people with cancer.

01:44:59.625 --> 01:45:10.033
Yeah, but at the end of the day, people Choose what they eat and they choose what they smoke and they Choose what they drink, and so it's like, no, they, they, they still.

01:45:10.033 --> 01:45:16.878
I mean you know they are the reason you're probably in need of health insurance in big pharma.

01:45:16.878 --> 01:45:47.552
Yet that is a choice you get to make, right, big pharma is one of those things where there's a gun to the back of your head when you join a job and it's like you better pay into it and, whether you want to or not, you will through Medicare and that tax will be taken out of your paycheck and it will go to them and there's a good chance when you need that and you should have it, it will be denied and you will be refused and that's like gosh man, that is.

01:45:49.476 --> 01:45:55.533
I don't know Again, I can't think of another industry that's just soiled it like, that's just done that, like I would not.

01:45:55.533 --> 01:46:04.630
I don't think I could see like unilateral support for, like you know, doing this to like big oil, right, you know, I can't see unilateral support.

01:46:04.630 --> 01:46:20.938
Of course, if it was like a, even a defense company, like if someone killed, like the person who, like the company that was designing, you know, drones that were bombing schools, I I still think people would be like, well, you can't kill that person for doing it because people are misusing their product.

01:46:20.938 --> 01:46:21.698
You know what I mean.

01:46:23.081 --> 01:46:35.788
Definitely the hard thing about it, though, is what did it actually do to fix the system, because, like you said, the new CEO, it might not have been about fixing it Right.

01:46:35.889 --> 01:46:44.226
Right, it's a statement, I think it's all a statement, but at the cost of life, and so it's hard to go like alright, like what if the goals change?

01:46:44.226 --> 01:47:01.551
Then, unfortunately, to do it this the way this guy wants to do it, you actually just really have to sharpen up the guillotine, yeah, line everybody up and send them all through it, yeah, and that is you know, as far as this guy's course of action.

01:47:01.551 --> 01:47:03.936
So that's where it's like for the.

01:47:03.936 --> 01:47:12.335
Yeah, I think that's it's a huge, large statement and it's getting people's attention yeah, speaking of that, actually I have a recommendation for you.

01:47:12.655 --> 01:47:19.756
Really, I'll send you the video and I think you should watch it because I think it's actually very profound and incredibly well done.

01:47:19.756 --> 01:47:21.371
Let me just pull it up on YouTube.

01:47:21.371 --> 01:47:26.757
I won't play it, but just so I know and credit the person who created it.

01:47:26.757 --> 01:47:41.801
This guy, like some mad Lovecraftian main character, just decided one day to begin building a guillotine in the backyard of his house in Florida.

01:47:42.041 --> 01:47:42.681
Oh my gosh.

01:47:43.725 --> 01:47:44.609
Of course it was in Florida.

01:47:44.609 --> 01:47:50.551
But he wears like a lot of like.

01:47:50.551 --> 01:48:04.426
The way he dresses is like I don't know, maybe, like you could say, uh like civil war era clothing okay um, and so he's just like out there building it by hand you know, hammer, making his own nails.

01:48:05.469 --> 01:48:20.412
Um, his name is rusty cage and uh, he has done a lot of really good videos and when you watch them you're like this is this is someone who's far too young to be this damaged.

01:48:20.412 --> 01:48:34.461
Oh, yeah, and uh, he did one where he's like I I think it was what I watched right after watching his guillotine series um, but it was essentially him just saying my last drink, I'm going sober.

01:48:34.461 --> 01:48:43.125
And he just confessed like I'm an alcoholic, I'm addicted to alcohol and I accept that now and I'm going 30 days sober.

01:48:43.125 --> 01:48:59.975
And he did like a you know 30 day sobriety thing and it was brutal, it was very rough, it was very honest and it was actually like only like 14 days and then another 30 day restart.

01:48:59.975 --> 01:49:01.979
But he like recorded the whole thing.

01:49:01.979 --> 01:49:10.890
He's like fucked up, I let myself have one and I got blackout drunk and it was just like I, I don't know, but it's so very raw.

01:49:10.911 --> 01:49:22.600
But Rusty Cage he does, insanely, I would say, cajun folk music.

01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:25.802
That is usually political commentary.

01:49:25.802 --> 01:49:34.568
But this guillotine starts out as time to build a guillotine right, and then he makes a song about it, like get your head chopped off.

01:49:34.568 --> 01:49:38.436
And he's like this is actually the most dangerous lemonade stand.

01:49:38.436 --> 01:49:40.949
And then it's kind of like keeps on going.

01:49:40.949 --> 01:49:43.416
And then it's like society is collapsing.

01:49:43.515 --> 01:49:45.028
Society is a horrible thing.

01:49:45.028 --> 01:49:57.944
You know, they built the guillotine to originally punish peasants and criminals, but the peasants and criminals are the ones that eventually took it and marched everyone else to the guillotine and, you know, executed their leaders to restart and rebuild.

01:49:57.944 --> 01:50:09.470
And uh, the final one was just the end of him building this and he uh made a song called the guillotine song and it's the line.

01:50:09.470 --> 01:50:16.653
It is like let's all go to the guillotine and we'll, we can lose our heads, and it's just a literally like, a kind of like it's like this.

01:50:16.653 --> 01:50:24.337
It's like you know, society's broken, but like even if we marched all the leaders to the guillotine, that would not fix it.

01:50:24.337 --> 01:50:27.989
We might as well like just all line up and take it.

01:50:27.989 --> 01:50:41.268
You know what I mean and it's one of those things of like it's uh, it's not a solution to the problem that anyone really wants to accept, because it would require a complete execution of the problem you know what I?

01:50:41.307 --> 01:50:48.292
mean like once you execute all the, all the leaders, you realize like, okay, now we also need to be executed to follow through on it?

01:50:48.313 --> 01:50:52.189
yeah, because like now, you got to solve the problem yeah, and it's uh, it's one of the it's.

01:50:52.390 --> 01:51:29.389
it was just very profound and very philosophical and you can see very clearly like he is going through a brutal mental health journey in these videos and, yes, I do think some of it is like acting and charades a little bit, but I don't think a lot of it is like there's one where, like some florida storm comes through, the dead tree comes down and damages the guillotine and he talks about like how he's literally having a mental breakdown because he cannot tell which of these damn trees is dead or alive, because it's, I mean, florida's a swamp right and he's like it feels like the trees are trying to kill me.

01:51:29.389 --> 01:51:47.672
It feels like the trees are trying to destroy my house, crush me, and it's just like this mental exhaustion and fatigue of like dealing with the elements and all that only to build something that ultimately, at the end of it, is like I built it and the only use I have for it is to guarantee myself.

01:51:47.893 --> 01:51:48.253
You know what I?

01:51:48.274 --> 01:51:53.292
mean, like at the, you reach the journey at the end of like did I just build my own execution.

01:51:53.292 --> 01:51:56.537
I don't know it's very philosophical, but usually it's very well done.

01:51:56.537 --> 01:51:59.849
Um, he's, he's a freaking crazy talented guy.

01:51:59.849 --> 01:52:02.994
Um, and he's very entertaining.

01:52:02.994 --> 01:52:09.747
Um, and he's like I mean, like you know, I'm preaching to the choir here because most there's I bet there's quite a few kin who have heard of him.

01:52:09.747 --> 01:52:13.564
He's got 1.7 million subscribers on YouTube.

01:52:13.564 --> 01:52:31.453
So you know it's not like he needs us to be advocating for his content, but I do think he's a great content creator oh, man, yeah, the the guillotine didn't work out for old France too good.

01:52:31.626 --> 01:52:34.649
They still had to go through a few more iterations to figure their stuff out.

01:52:35.730 --> 01:52:41.207
Um, yeah, I'm I'm not ruling out france bringing it back oh yeah, you know.

01:52:41.247 --> 01:52:43.212
I mean, france is having a hard time over there.

01:52:44.073 --> 01:53:23.117
They're not sure what to do and I think our french neighbors to the north might bring it back that's getting a little wild too up there yeah, I think, uh, man, like there has never been more of like a social experiment in my eyes than the like wing of politics that is like very not threatening, uh, you know very patient, tolerant side of it.

01:53:23.117 --> 01:53:28.908
Yes, they do a lot of like insults and name calling and all that, but like that's just politics.

01:53:28.908 --> 01:53:44.858
And I think, think, like if can you imagine, bro, if Biden said nationwide ban and confiscation of all firearms so we can send them to Ukraine, like we would not have that kind of patient, tolerant, which I think is a good thing.

01:53:44.858 --> 01:53:45.498
You know what I mean.

01:53:45.498 --> 01:53:58.368
I think like the right would stand up and be like no, no, no, like good luck doing that, and be like no, no, no, like good luck doing that.

01:53:58.387 --> 01:54:01.898
And I'm like legit wondering, like will we see the next like north american civil war in canada?

01:54:01.898 --> 01:54:04.846
Like could there, like I could see this becoming a civil comp?

01:54:04.846 --> 01:54:19.324
I'm like going on like the canadian gun owners reddit and just like reading around and I'm not saying you know piss all because I don't want to be, you know, cited as a source of uh insurrection or whatever, I'm stoking the fires, but I am reading.

01:54:19.324 --> 01:54:29.796
I'm like dude, there's no way these guys are turning dick all in because a lot of people don't realize like once you get out of toronto, that's saying, yeah, that nation is not very like.

01:54:30.747 --> 01:54:38.180
I trust the government you know, that nation is probably almost more paranoid of the government than most Americans.

01:54:39.963 --> 01:54:48.054
Oh yeah, and I was watching a video on their Congress or whatever.

01:54:48.054 --> 01:55:01.431
They have all circled up talking about the proposed tariffs from trump yeah and uh, it was like just the.

01:55:01.431 --> 01:55:16.939
It's funny how they this might be overstepping, but they really are dependent on our economy for their economy for real in a lot of ways like same with mexico yeah, it's like they, you know it's like and so it is.

01:55:17.099 --> 01:55:20.135
It's funny because they can like, do and say whatever they want to do and like.

01:55:20.135 --> 01:55:22.023
It's kind of like, I don't know.

01:55:22.023 --> 01:55:29.176
It's like being the, the son-in-law of like, of the like, a like some.

01:55:29.176 --> 01:55:32.347
Some dude owns a big company and he gave it to his son, yeah.

01:55:32.347 --> 01:55:35.511
And then there's the son-in-law and he's got a great life.

01:55:35.511 --> 01:55:44.545
Yeah, because he married the woman and he's always like my freaking brother-in-law doesn't know what the hell he's doing over there.

01:55:44.545 --> 01:55:45.408
He's stupid.

01:55:45.408 --> 01:55:47.210
You know all these things.

01:55:47.210 --> 01:55:53.131
It's like, yeah, but he's running the company and you're doing good you know it's kind of like you have, like the.

01:55:53.864 --> 01:55:56.125
Piss him out about him, but like be thankful for his paychecks.

01:55:56.185 --> 01:56:04.328
Yeah, like you're allowed, like you have the the blessing of being able to be a critical or whatever, and so as they've start to.

01:56:04.328 --> 01:56:10.498
They like hitch their wagon on like the the California politics train.

01:56:10.498 --> 01:56:16.278
They're just like, and now potentially we're not continuing on in that direction.

01:56:16.278 --> 01:56:17.807
It's getting hard on them.

01:56:18.029 --> 01:56:21.296
Yeah, yeah, I, I legit.

01:56:21.296 --> 01:56:34.618
I'm almost like thinking like you know, it's a social experiment, right Cause it's how many times you hear Americans say like, oh my gosh, that's so paranoid to think if the government was to take our guns, the next step would be enslavement and like abuse of power.

01:56:34.618 --> 01:56:37.554
It was like I mean, that is what happens.

01:56:37.554 --> 01:56:45.738
That like look at in Mexico, like how brutal the consequences are if you even are found with a bullet, yeah, let alone a firearm.

01:56:45.738 --> 01:56:49.576
Like also, just look at Germany, nazi Germany, man.

01:56:49.576 --> 01:56:54.572
First thing the Nazis did was go around and round up all the firearms before they said it, rounding up the people.

01:56:55.145 --> 01:57:05.672
And this happened times and time and time and time and time again, and so it's one of those things where, like we keep on saying, like hey, history repeats itself.

01:57:05.672 --> 01:57:17.889
If you disarm the population, the next thing is to remove an aspect of the population, and I'm like two things are going to happen to remove an aspect of the population, and I'm like two things are going to happen.

01:57:17.889 --> 01:57:19.337
Either two of one, one of two things is going to happen.

01:57:19.337 --> 01:57:28.484
Either the population is going to disarm themselves, and we'll see an abuse of power, or the population will refuse to disarm themselves and we'll see an abuse of power.

01:57:28.484 --> 01:57:31.212
It's just which one of those are we going to see?

01:57:31.212 --> 01:57:39.432
And will people come around and recognize it and finally be like, oh shit, well, that wouldn't happen in America, and make all these excuses?

01:57:39.432 --> 01:57:53.896
Or are they going to be like, oh, actually, no, okay, like it's just right there and it's plain before my eyes to see, like it's probably not a good thing.

01:57:53.957 --> 01:57:57.587
Cut to me, yeah, but then other people feel very different dude.

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I know people who have said to me they're like, if someone told me today to like to hand it in my shotgun, I would.

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And I just like, I just am legit, like I lay awake at night, I'm like gosh, I wonder if that friend, if someone pressed them, they'd oh, I know where there's a bunch of guns.

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You could go to Mick's house, oh yeah, I just wonder like, would they roll over on me?

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No-transcript, think about who I.

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I really love deeply that I think just do not have a true comprehension of, like the privilege it is to still have the ability to defend yourself and put your foot down.

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If you feel like, oh, like this is a malicious force trying to abuse me and my family, like I, I need to now like defend us.

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So yeah, and I think that I'm I, I don't want to ever have to be tested, but because, like, but I always wonder in myself what will I?

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How will I, how would I actually react to these things?

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Cause I'll tell you what.

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I might talk a big game, but when I get those red and blue lights behind me, I'm hyper compliant.

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You know, I'm like really, yeah, but at the same it's like I think there is like a in me, and I think in a lot of people, there is a particular line that just is going to be like we don't cross these lines.

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Yeah, dude, I've asked myself if I hear like a knock, who's that?

01:59:49.716 --> 01:59:51.527
Agf One?

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I kissed a Connie yeah, and I'd'd say I love you, doggy.

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You're the best damn doggy the world ever knew, because I know, I know she's not making it through and then I think I would.

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I think, honestly, the last thing I think is gosh dang.

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It's a good thing that I have that 1 million dollars in life insurance for my wife and kids, because I know one, even if I blow my own brains out, they'll get it.

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And two, if I go down in a hail of gunfire, they'll get it.

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I would never.

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I would never, unless it was, you know, like a truly foreign force or whatever that I knew was just going to rape and pillage, or whatever, my children and family, like I would never force them to make their stand with me, right?

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I would be like my wife and kids are coming out, but me and my guns are not.

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You know what I mean and like.

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And then if they're like, all right, we're coming in, I'd be like cowabunga dudes, let's party.

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I know, and it's like, it's like that's honestly where I've made my peace of mind.

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And I genuinely think if I didn't have health insurance, I might not have that.

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I mean not health insurance, life insurance.

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If I didn't have life insurance, I don't know if I'd have that peace of mind which is this is not an ad, but get it I'd.

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If it's come to that point, no one's paying out life insurance anymore.

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You don't think so.

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At that point I think all the systems are getting pretty busted.

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But I will say Ruby Ridge, bro, I might just hand them over you think you would, because I might have some others somewhere else.

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Dude, that is one thing.

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I've been thinking about.

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It's like making some caches.

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I got a buddy like oh yeah, officer, uh, here are my five high points and my five 10, 22s.

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Yeah, exactly, wait, where's the good shit?

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it's like oh, I got rid of all that we've got a mutual buddy who has, uh, he has a safe and then a decoy safe and it's not the safe guy.

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Yeah, but he, uh, I don't know who the safe guy is out of our buddies oh, he has.

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Well, the safe guy owns like 48 safes.

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He's got a problem.

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What he owns like 12, I need to buy one from him.

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Yeah, he'll help you buy one, really also help you buy gold, oh that guy, but I need that guy to help me.

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I know who that guy is one of our buddies.

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He has, he does, he has all of his.

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He has like a, a safe hidden uh.

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He was able to drywall it, oh yeah, behind where he wants it to be, uh, like a kind of hidden thing or whatever.

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It's like all his good stuff's in there and he has like a crappy safe with just a couple of like rifles in it.

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He's like, yeah, so he can just be like the decoy here's and it's and for whatever all sorts of things, even if you get robbed.

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Oh yeah, it's excellent.

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You keep, like you know, 300 bucks in cash and an old rifle in there.

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They'll take that and leave.

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It's like the classic thing of like.

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It's also like a thing to do that, like mules do with law enforcement.

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Right, mules be bringing a shitload of drugs over.

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Right, mules be bringing a shitload of drugs over and they'll like if a cop pulls them over and they know they're like okay, like they're gonna be looking for anything they can right, you know like, show them the easy win of like you get pulled over, just immediately, admit to like yeah, I recognize I was speeding.

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And the officer's like well, I didn't pull you over for speeding.

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It was like, oh well, officer, I was Boom.

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Okay, well, I'll write you the ticket over that or give you a warning, right, you know whatever?

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Like you know, whatever it is, that's the super easy one, so that way they just don't care to continue to investigate the vehicle, or something like that.

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Now, you can't do that if you're dumb and stupid and you're, you know, driving drunk.

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And I say this is like you know.

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I say this because I know this is like in a lot of law enforcement training.

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Right, I'm not advocating for you to be a mule.

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Say this because I know this is like in a lot of law enforcement training.

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Right, I'm not advocating for you to be a mule, but you can't be a dumb ass and be drinking and smoking weed and think like, oh, here, officer, I'll give you my beer and like you're gonna get no dude, they're gonna arrest you and they're gonna look for anything else in your car that they can find.

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Yeah, like, if they have that kind of smell and things like that, they're going the you know full 10 yards, um, but anyways, so all that said, um, yeah, pretty interesting, pretty like I guess you know spicy episode bro talked about airbnbs burning down.

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Talked about uh cartel and f star-crossed lovers.

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Talked about you picking up a crazed homeless man Vigilante, vigilante and American healthcare and the corruption of our system and the dying of society.

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And ultimately, would we go quietly into that darkness.

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If I knew I do want to do some caches and if I knew they were out there, I'd be like, yeah, sure, you can have whatever Idiots, I'm going to just go get my third cachet, and also I might let them have it and I'll just move to Yemen, you know, Just like all right.

02:05:06.234 --> 02:05:06.836
Why Yemen?

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Because you can buy grenades in the market.

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Do the Yemenites Yemenemenese?

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you got to blend in pretty good.

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They don't like you I was gonna say like one will that government be chill with you owning those things, or do they still come around and kill you if they find you with it?

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no, they it's.

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It's.

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It's good fun, it's all good fun.

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It's literally like in the market.

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You go down to like the market, you can buy some lettuce, buy some hummus, buy like you know what, maybe probably some cot and then, you can get a belt fed hell yeah, yeah, for like 80 bucks.

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Yeah, yeah dude, some quad nods, yeah and then.

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And then like, yeah, the police do come, and then they're like they're not messing with that today, we don't't care about that.

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Yeah, Anyways.

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Yemen.

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That's crazy bro Potential retirement home options With the Houthis out there.

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Part of me does fantasize of just the whole thing of like you know, what would you do if everything that you were responsible for and was keeping you a productive member of society here vanished tomorrow and you had nothing left to live for?

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Like what would you do?

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Yeah, and the part of me was like, oh well, I guess I don't know, go and like train with the yakuza like you know like just some crazy stuff.

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I guess I just would teach yemenites how to be good with a pistol.

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So they leave me alone.

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I'll get a huge chest tattoo that goes all the way up to my chin.

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Yeah, you know, because why, why not why?

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not.

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Yeah, anyways, crazy stuff, crazy stuff.

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In no way do I condone murder or vigilantism.

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Actually, dude, I do condone that one one.

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I'll say it right now I condone vigilanteism of like in general, like like as like.

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Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

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I'll be honest bro, like a lot of people, the line of vigilanteism and like defensive others, self-defense is pretty blurry for some people in my eyes.

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I see, like you know, killing someone that you see is like trying to rape a woman in a park.

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I view that as vigilantism.

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I'm all for that.

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Uh, a woman who kills her super abusive husband who's been molesting her and her children, that's technically vigilantism and I'm chill with that, a million percent, always be behind her and advocate for her and like support her Right.

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So it's like there's aspects of that.

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I'm not for the.

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Hey, what do we all like put on our hoodies and ski masks and we go and like just look for bad guys tonight, right, I'm like you're probably going to misidentify someone Because I'm not wearing hockey pads, great movie, um, anyways.

02:08:01.412 --> 02:08:04.197
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