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Welcome to the Mick and Pat show.
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I'm Mick.
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And I'm Pat.
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And we're coming just a couple weeks before Christmas.
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Hopefully y'all have listened to our gift giving and guide episode for getting that man in your life a gift this holiday season.
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We're joined by a special guest this evening Manning your life a gift this holiday season.
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We're joined by a special guest this evening my dog Takani, who is just chomping on her black Kong and trying to get the chicken out of it.
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Pat, this is your first time meeting a dog ever in real life, the first the first, the very first one.
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If this was the very first dog I ever met in real life, I will say I'd be terrified Because of how big they are, because of the size, yeah, and the ability that this beast has.
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Now, since it's not the first dog I've ever met, I'm not terrified.
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I actually think this is a great dog.
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Thanks, man.
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Over the years I think I've expressed some of my strong opinions about dogs and dog ownership.
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Yeah, I'm not anti-dog I think we both have, though I think we both have expressed how we're anti miss, miss.
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Uh what?
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How would you say?
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Like just not actually training your dog?
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yeah, bad dog ownership, bad dog ownership bad, you know bad dog owners I'm not a fan of.
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Yeah, um, you know, and so yeah, but the uh, this dog walked in here, she, uh, she came over to me, she greeted me, but by slowly walking over and just putting her face near me, yeah, which is the perfect introduction from a dog, instead of either, you know, barking, jumping up and down, jumping up on you licking, uh, you know, getting super hyper.
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Um, she really couldn't care less if I was here or not, but she was happy to come get a pet.
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So yeah and now, uh, yeah, she's just working on that, uh, that last piece of chicken.
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She's trying to roll it out of there and I love, like you can, the way she moves.
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Funny, like she is still a puppy, even though how is this like an 80 pound dog she's at least now, but like she's gonna thicken out yeah, I think she, I think she will.
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We still walk her like over five miles a day, yeah, to just try to like get the energy out.
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Um and uh, yeah she's.
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I think she'll put on a little bit more weight, but I don't think she'll put much more on, because we're like overfeeding her right now to try to catch her up right, because once we got her, her ribs were showing and her back was a lot more like bonier yeah so, but once, once she gets that healthy, healthy weight, we're gonna cut it back and just give her what the doctor recommended.
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Scoops are.
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But then she'll still, over the next year, still get a little thicker.
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I think she'll get a little bit wider hips and a little bit stockier shoulder plates.
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You know what I mean, because apparently their bones aren't done grown yet and you can't run with them until they're, or play super hard with them, get, taking them full speed, like yeah, you're not supposed to.
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Like run them up and down the stairs a ton, or, like, you know, wrestle with them too much.
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Uh, now we do wrestle and she's great at and very gentle and she's very, very like she's learned how, learned how to do the gentle teething on your leg or your arm to play around.
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But apparently when they're fully grown, you can essentially tackle them down a mountain, throw them around.
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Yeah, tackle them and good work, because we're up some stairs.
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Thanks, man how did it go with these ones?
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she got halfway up them and then it was like a cat, where she just laid across at the middle and just was like laid down, looked at me and was like, can we please not go up anymore?
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And I was like, no, we're going, come on.
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And you know, I didn't have to pull her up, but I just kind of go, I go up a couple stairs and that puts, uh, the leash puts tension on her collar and her collar is not like gonna choke her out, but it, but it cinches when she tries to pull away.
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And so you, the whole training method is like you know, you go until there's tension on the collar, so that way they feel it and they know the direction you want them to go.
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And if they fight it and try to go the opposite direction, then it starts cinching uncomfortably and they like they know the moment they stop doing that it relieves tension and then it's an incentive, you know, to come to you and go the direction you're going, comfortable.
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But like a lot of people on the way back those collars, you're trying to suffocate your dog and choke it out.
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I'm like, no, because you, you, you don't pull like if you, if you walked with that leash and you were just dragging her around and constantly yanking or pulling on it.
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That would actually breed a really aggressive dog that would be like fearful and, you know, scared of you, right, and so, um, and not like, and not like respectfully scared of you or respectfully fearful, but a dog.
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That's like I'm confused, I'm scared and I'm going to bite you because I don't want to, I don't want you to be near me.
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Um, so you just kind of make sure that, like it's just enough of like a indication.
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It's kind of like I think like the best way to think about it is like imagine someone tied a rope through your belt loops and if you ran away from them it's cinch and you would know it's tight around your waist and hips and you're not going anywhere If you keep pulling this direction, right, and actually the harder you pull, the more uncomfortable it's going to get, but you're not gonna die, you know what I mean.
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And so that in the moment you stop trying to run away, you feel tension immediately release, and so then it's like, okay, all right, if I go this way, oh, if I go over here, there's no tension.
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So that's kind of how we get her to like not pull on the leash, because she is a big dog and she could rip my arm out.
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Yeah, um, but that's also how, like, we get her up the stairs too.
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Um, but, dude, it's gotten to the point now at home where she will come down just to check on me and say hi I'll be working in my basement office okay and she just loves to come down say hello, realizes I'm boring and working yeah
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and she's like, okay, well, this is just as boring as what mom's doing.
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So then she'll go upstairs and just see mom and she's like you both are boring, and then she'll just go play with her toys.
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Wow, but like it's a huge improvement over like the last couple weeks.
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And she's like very happy to come down.
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Like whenever she comes down the stairs she's like so happy to see me.
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It's like weird, it's a really weird thing.
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It's like she's I don't know if she knows I'm down there and she's just coming to see yeah, and she's so happy when I am.
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You know, yeah, I'm like dude, I've been down here for like eight hours.
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So it's like what do you expect?
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That's fun.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, she's a good dog.
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Yes, she's a good dog and, uh, it's good to have a good dog.
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Bad dogs can just be so draining, stressful.
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It's like like you're always like worried about them running off.
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You know you always have to like this, whatever, like pooping on the carpet, right away buying people whatever it's like just a pain.
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So she is.
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Uh, we're noticing she's got a little bit of a chewing problem, but that's more than anything I think they say.
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From what I read online, that's like a puppy anxiety thing with separation.
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Hence why?
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she's here tonight.
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Did she make a no-no while you were gone?
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She.
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One day I came downstairs and within 10 minutes of Billie Jean having left after walking her oh no, sorry, billie Jean didn't have time to walk her, she was running late for work, so she lefty jean didn't have time to walk her, she was running late for work, so she left the house, didn't have time to feed her.
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And then I go downstairs and like in that window of 10-15 minutes she had opened her bed and pulled all the stuffing out.
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Which is okay, it's a dog bed, it's not the couch.
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Um, but then another time we were gone.
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Oh, we were gone this last, uh, sunday for a friendsgiving thing uh-huh pie contest and we're looking on the camera.
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Everything was fine within the 15 minutes of like, not looking at the camera and driving home opening the door, tissue box torn open and just kleenex, everywhere, all right um.
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I think she has a huge, huge fascination for snow.
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She loves snow.
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When.
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I walk her with snow out like on the ground, like fresh snow, she will walk with her tongue open and mouth open and just shovel snow into her mouth and she loves to like lay out and splay her legs and just slide around on it.
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She just thinks it's a blast.
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So part of me thinks like Kleenex and stuffing, it just seems like snow to her because when I, when we went there like and I was we got home I was pulling kleenex out of her gums.
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Oh yeah, I'm like okay, I don't know if this was like a destruction fun or like a oh, I can eat this fun.
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You know, so, but she's picked up a couple shoes.
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She's picked up the remote in my phone.
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She hasn't destroyed any of them, but I did notice this morning there are definitely some like what is this marks on the remote?
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Yeah, and it's like if she wanted to destroy and break it it would have been, but like I think she tasted it to try to understand what it was.
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And none of our shoes are wrecked, but she has picked them up and moved them around a couple of times.
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So it's like one of those things of like, all right, let's, let's bring her around with her.
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And also this is good practice because it helps her get over anxiety in the car.
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We throw her in the hatchback of the Subaru and she whimpers and then realizes you know nothing about her situation is going to change and it's best to just lay down and ride.
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I mean, she's getting better every time in the car and if we bring her to podcasts every week, then eventually she'll be super chill with that.
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She'll be better with the stairs and she's a good guess.
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I guess she just sits there quietly, not disrupting us.
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But that's kind of the plan right now.
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Until we can, I think what we're going to try to do is that bitter spray.
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You just spray it on stuff that it's like non-scented organic, so it's not like poison, but it's a special flavor that dogs just hate.
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And you spray it on your pillows, you spray it on your shoes and they just realize like the moment they lick it they're like oh, it doesn't make them throw up, but it makes it's like a nasty flavor to dogs.
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They don't want to be around it anymore.
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Yeah.
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And that's just a good thing to do.
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You don't even have to like spray it on every shoe, you just spray it on the shoes that the dog's going to, and then the dog realizes sooner than later oh, I shouldn't put shoes in my mouth, mouth it tastes bad, so but anyways, that's, uh, that's the doggy stuff.
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Um pat, you got any stories?
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I got I got like three stories loaded up that I forgot to tell you about or that like have happened, that I want to you know so this is a short one that I was late to the getting to the podcast because I was cruising here, coming down down the road that's coming over the big bridge, and uh, I'm kind of just like cruising, listening to my podcast, not my own podcast, listen to someone else's podcast, yeah.
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But uh, and I, kind of out of the corner, I'm like, as I'm I'm turning, this bridge curves to the left as you come around it and there's like bushes and statues and stuff in it, and so I'm like, oh, a statue.
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And I was like, oh, that statue's kind of in the road and I was like, oh, I think that's a person, you know.
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And so I then I'm like this was a person.
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So I'm coming in hot, I put my brakes on, put my hazards on, and there's a guy stumbling just dead middle of the lane, really, yeah.
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And so I turned my hazards on and actually block the whole roads.
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Dude, it's great to have a big truck, yeah, because people just have to do what you say sometimes so I was like, put my hazards on, went diagonal on the road.
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Yeah, block the whole road for a second.
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There weren't that many cars.
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We're just like, listen, we gotta not kill this guy for the moment, you know, yeah.
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And then I was like, hey, you know, and he's like he, he was really stumbling around and you, you know, not in good shape and uh, uh, clearly transient is like yeah, someone, someone take me to the hospital you know, I'm like all right, you know, like what's going on.
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I'm not right, man, I'm not right, not right.
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So I'm like all right, well, get in.
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So really, yeah, so you gave him a ride to the hospital, well, so, yeah, so I load him up as he's getting in, and then at that point I'd pulled, I was only in one lane, yeah, um, with the hazards on, and uh, he's like getting in the car, like about to get in the car, and this lady comes by and rolls the window down and just screams you can't be parked here.
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Uh, yeah, I know, I can't park on the road, like on a bridge.
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Yeah, anyways, I'd like to refer to her as what I think she, what she is the dumb bitch.
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Dumb bitch, you know.
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Scream it like, takes the time to roll around and yell that at me.
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I'm just like, whatever I like to say, it didn't get to me, but kind of got to me just like in the middle of like doing a good Samaritan thing.
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Yeah, just like and it it helped my perspective too, just being like, yeah, like, all right, like some people, man, whatever some people's mothers grandmothers yeah, f them.
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So got the man in there and then he's like, wait, I I clicked on all my like cabin lights, um, kept my like, kept some winter roll down, start driving.
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I had a flip of ue and like, as we're going, like he starts, like he like puts a hand, like in his pocket, you know, and I'm like, hey, man, like uh, I didn't say that, but I was like like hey, just like, let's like keep our hands out of our pockets.
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You know, he's like oh, I'm not doing, I'm not doing anything, like shoots it out, like because, like he's somebody who's probably had encounters with police before and and like you could, he was like she's saying I'm not doing, I'm not doing anything, you know, and I'm like it's all right, it's all right, you know, it's okay, let's just like, let's just take it easy.
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You know, yeah, I'm flipping u-turn, headed to the hospital, and then he's talking about, um, his dog.
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He lost his dog, he can't find his dog, shit, and that's his, his main thing.
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He's starting to lose his mind and so, as we're going to, then he says, you know, and then he keeps like, and then he reaches down again, kind of, and I can see he's trying to get his seat belt on.
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Oh, you know, it's like, okay, that's fine, but he's reaching, you know, I'm like, hey, you know, and I kept looking down and he could tell I was looking.
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And you know, he's like I just want to put my seat belt on, like, okay, that's fine.
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Then he takes his whole quilt.
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He has a quilt blanket around his head, around his neck, he like puts the whole thing up where I can't see and puts it over his head and he's messing around.
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And then I was like, hey, man, like you just gotta like like keep your hands where I can see him, you know.
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And he's like I'm not doing anything, not doing anything I got.
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If we're getting a wreck, I don't want to die.
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You know, it's funny, a certain like bro, you're just walking in the middle of the road.
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Yeah, this is way safer than what you're doing before.
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Anyway, his name was Brandon, oh, brandon, and he started talking about his dog and, as we're getting close to the hospital, he's like actually just dropped me at this Mexican restaurant.
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That's where I lost my dog.
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I'm like, all right, which is near the hospital.
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So I pulled over and he would not get out of the car.
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Dude, really, I mean, he was just like I didn't give any like very clear, firm, like get out of the vehicle.
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But it was just like hey, man, this is where you want to be.
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He's like, yeah, and then he was telling me about you know the situation.
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It's sad, you know.
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He's like I don't want to stay at the homeless shelter, you know like.
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He's like he's like I've been sleeping under a bridge and people are fighting down there and I don't like being around fighting.
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And then he's like, yeah, and I don't want to go in the homeless shelter.
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People, I've been touched there before.
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I like getting touched, you know.
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I was like, yeah, I know all this stuff.
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And so I'm like I'm sorry, man, that sucks.
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And then he started crying because he lost his dog.
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He's like that's the only thing holding me together.
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And then he's like, oh my gosh, this dude like was like, how old was he?
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Um, probably 45 to 50.
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You know it's 35 to 55 kind of depending on length of time not length of time under a bridge, um, but um, yeah, so he's like and he's missing all his front, teeth and stuff and just bad shape.
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But um, he's like, I came here from wyoming to try to be safe and I keep getting touched and people are fighting me and I lost my dog and uh, it's like and I'm, um, you know, felt bad for him.
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He's like, he's like I don't even have clean underwear and all this stuff and but he kept getting locked in on the dog and he kept kind of doing that thing that you know, people are in a bad mental space do where he kept kind of like looking at me and telling me to give him his dog back also like you know, yeah, that kind of like I'm asking you, nicely, I'm asking you guys, you can give him my dog, like hey, I don't know where your dog is.
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I hope you find her.
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I don't have the dog but when we're slipping in between in and out of like reality and stuff, it's like okay, like time to get out of here.
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I gave him a 20.
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I don't know where he's gonna go do with it, but you know it was like know, threw him the 20 and then sent him.
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He finally got out of the car, shut the door and I headed on back to the podcast studio and you know, my heart went out to him.
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I felt bad for him.
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I did feel a little the two times he there's two times he reached, like with putting the blanket up, I did feel very uncomfortable.
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I was like all right, like you know just this and you know just this and you know you're just trying to get buckled.
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That's fine, but still you, he was definitely in a mental state that was he could do something he didn't mean to do yeah, yeah, that's always.
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The sad thing is like you gotta be so careful with just like the like.
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It is entirely, absolutely unpredictable and I've had, like you know, back in the day when I helped and, uh, worked in the sheriff department, would you know, be bringing people into intake?
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You should have no idea how they're gonna react, because they can be one way and like we had police all the time like be like, oh, this guy is totally uncooperative, he's spitting, freaking out or she's, you know, biting and trying to tear off her seatbelt and Pull on her cuffs or whatever, and saying she's gonna kill us.
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Saying she's got a gun In her pocket and I'm like, oh geez, well one, why didn't you pat him down?
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But, like you know, it's constantly like that stuff.
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And Then um the uh, and then they get there and they're totally cooperative and chill.
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And like they get there and they're totally cooperative and chill, and like they have no like desire to be uncooperative, you're like, okay, like they're just making a decision and they're flipping, you know, on a dime because they're just not healthy, yeah.
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Or it's the other way.
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It's like capitals.
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It was like this guy's chill, yeah.
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So find the whole time did a full pat down, took everything off him, and then we got to get him and he's like, he's like maybe it sets in for him for a moment, and they're like oh, I'm going to jail and they like lose their mind and they absolutely go.
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You know, batshit, and you're like, you're.
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And the people who are starting to, the people who are, you know, going a little crazy mental health issues or drugs, like once this switch can flip in them where they, when you, become the object of their issue.
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You know, for instance, like in his case a couple of times where he like thought that I could provide his dog back to him.
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I now I saw it flip twice in his eyes where I became wait, now you are the yeah, the bad guy yeah the issue, or like you know something to overcome.
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It's like, yeah, you've probably seen that happen too.
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Or it's like, all of a sudden, once they fixate on something and you're the thing keeping them from that thing, it can become a problem really fast, yeah, without a doubt.
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Anyways, pretty crazy stuff.
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That's interesting, bro.
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You didn't tell me that while we were just sitting here chilling, which is fine, but I just was like shocked that that was the real reason why you were running behind and I was just saving it for your first reactions.
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That's a good podcaster.
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Well, I guess I'll tell you this.
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Did I tell you about the JB's wedding up in Steamboat?
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You told me about some of it.
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Did I tell you about how the Airbnb caught on fire?
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No, all right, so we were up in.
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Steamboat.
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You talking about some of it.
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I tell you about how the airbnb caught on fire.
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No, all right.
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So uh, we're, we're up in steamboat.
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Really cool thing.
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My buddy had this super small wedding.
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Um, it was pretty much just the wedding party of like eight or nine people on either side and then it was family, like a close immediate family, and some grandparents, and then a few close friends, but I think in total it was like 45 or 50 people in its entirety, including bridegroom, family wedding party, and so most of us that were like in the wedding party, um, and just kind of like friends and stuff, stayed in the airbnb that we set up and, you know, laid out to be the uh, the actual wedding there was a giant, awesome a-frame windows just looking out over steamboats, you know, valley, the yampa, oh yeah and uh, it was just gorgeous.
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and then, um, after the wedding, you know, we take everything down and we're dancing or not really dancing that much, but like more, just like hanging out, eating food, enjoying time, drinking, and um, they, uh, jb and his new bride leave after the wedding to go to the hotel and steamboat where they were going to stay at before they caught their flight to St Lucia.
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And we're hanging out and stuff and they leave.
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And then, you know, it's just now, just friends and wedding party enjoying this.
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Just insane, unreal.
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Bedrooms up top, each bedroom had its own bathroom and shower, and then it was like five bedrooms in the basement.
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One was a master, everything had its own bathroom and shower, then there was the sauna in the basement, the gym, and then the main level had like the double kitchen living room area and like serious oh yeah, there's attached to car garage.
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Um, and the uh back had a big held hot tub and so, uh, we go to bed saturday after some hot tubbing and are sleeping, and then I'm, just, you know, in la la land just dreaming, um, billy jean and I, just you know, had had a wonderful evening and just were in our uh, beauty sleep and then hear this frantic knock on our wooden door and I was like, I sit up immediately, just like it, like my, like I wear, I wear like a.
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Uh, this is how tactical I am you're a tactical sleeping mask.
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Yeah, no, seriously, I wear a sleeping mask over my eyes.
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That is Bluetooth connected to my phone so I can listen to my audio book comfortably.
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Oh, it's all connected.
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Yeah it's like the old school soft foam headphones that are built into the sleeping mask and so when you're not sleeping sleeping, you can just pull it up and it's just nice soft headphones you're looking like the reading rainbow guy from star trek yeah, yeah, exactly um, lavon burton, yeah, um, and so I.
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But like, every time I like wake up, it's like always like discombobulated across my whole face and crooked and all that um and so, um.
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And so I see billy jean leap up and she's like, she's in pajamas and it's pretty.
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You know she's decently dressed.
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I'm not, I'm just in skivvies.
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Um, I also have this problem, dude.
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Just side note, it's important for you to know this.
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I feel like not really, um, but I have this issue where my doing don't stay in my skivvies.
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Like I need to wear boxer briefs to keep it packed away because my normal boxers it just does not stay in there.
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Like, there's just no way.
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Like I've actually picked specific underwear if I'm staying in my in-laws and stuff.
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So that way, like in an emergency.
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I'm not just running around with my little Mick.
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Johnson flopping around.
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It's like a legit issue, bro, like I mean, like I can't I don't know why, but it just like doesn't stay in, um, and I just don't trust boxers anymore.
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Um, but uh, anywho, um.
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So she opens the door and it's our buddy uh, I'll just call him nuts, um, but it's our buddy nuts.
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And he's like hey, uh, house is on fire.
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I was like what, I don't know what, that you're right.
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He's like yeah, you gotta pack everything.
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Uh, and I was like I know there's fire extinguishers.
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He's like, okay, all right.