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sometimes I see stuff on reddit of people like commenting like you're none.
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Of you are real like you're all, it's all.
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You're all bots, bro, just all bots having an argument yeah, um, I do believe the internet's dead actually the internet is dead.
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I believe majority of quote-unquote accounts on the internet are now bots, just bots and fake stuff.
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I'm actually going to start doing this thing.
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It's called Mixed Miscellaneous.
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Yeah.
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And it's just going to be videos edited to the background of.
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Well, videos will be edited and it'll be me doing whatever right shooting guns, driving around, whatever um, cleaning guns, painting guns but the conversation will always be about, uh, you know, something else.
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Usually, and the first one I want to talk about is the dead internet theory, which there's a lot of things out there already talking about it, but now I just want to talk about it from an experience thing of how you can probably experience that the internet's dead.
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Yeah, and I think the Gen Alpha folks are kind of going to be the first ones to be done with it in a big way.
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Oh yeah.
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As far as it's existed their whole life.
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But it's also existed in this horrible state of like, misinformation, just like, littered with, like you're saying bots, craziness.
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It's old news and so for them it's like what's the big like?
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No, I don't think I need that thing.
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They're just going to have a robot in their house to like answer questions or whatever.
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Like you know, because the tool of the internet is shifting 100%, because I don't see this anywhere more clearly than when I am looking for very niche, obscure information for, like, a certain gun build.
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I'm doing right Mm-hmm, and what I see is that I will go.
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Maybe you guys can all hear Takani in the background wailing.
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My dog is unhappy that she can't see out the windows.
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But what I see, more than anything else on the internet, is like I'll go to these forums and these forums are long story tale forums, you know, with like people having written on them in like 2008, and they're like story for you all about.
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You know what I, how I learned about my mid-length rifle gas system, yada, yada.
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And this dude dude, you know whoever he was.
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He went to this forum and he wrote, you know, a 1 000, 3 000 word story recap, very well written actually.
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You know what I mean.
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Yeah, not just like internet garble speak, but he rewrites this and to his credit.
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You know the forum, the people who are reading it.
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They watch and like read through his whole thing and then respond and engage with them on it.
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And I genuinely realized just the other day I was like the internet, like before there was like easy, streamable video on the internet.
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You used to just read stories and like write out long stories where there are stories of your day, right, and like people who'd be like yeah, duh, blogs, like no, but like dude.
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I don't think a lot of people realize that, like the generation above, like before millennials, used the internet as, like the whole internet was essentially a slow chat room, um, and or like basically like a shared diary, yeah, that you got to let other people engage them, but you got to like remain anonymous on, and entertainment for the internet wasn't super fast, constant, you know, uh, appetizing videos that you just get to scroll through, scroll through, scroll through and like short meme images or whatever.
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The internet hardly had any images Like it was just the forums with, like you're very small, like not even 256 pixels, probably like you know, a 16 pixel by 16 pixel avatar, six pixels probably, like you know, a 16 pixel by 16 pixel avatar, um, and it was just I thought like I had like an epiphany moment where, like there was a day probably when a lot of these forum users were like damn, not that many people are watching my, like reading my stuff and engaging Right, I guess I got to make a YouTube video when YouTube was coming out Right and the first
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like video blogs are coming out and then the vlogs now I think, are feeling it because engagements down and no one wants to watch long form content.
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You got to get it in under a minute, yeah.
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And well, even podcasts are feeling that too.
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Like you, you see, like podcasts are.
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I would say podcasts are past their peak, like, and I know that may seem strange because a lot of people like, oh, dude, like, but they're like the podcasters have all the influence and authority.
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Now, the way you know, primetime news anchors used to have like, yeah, but like they, they had that before you realized it, and now that everyone's kind of realizing it and everyone's trying to hop in on the game of it, it's like kind of one of those things where I feel like it's uh, you know, people are getting on the train, as most people are getting off, like, because podcasters are getting off right, they're becoming directors of the fbi, like if you're leaving podcasting to be a deputy director, like I think podcast has gotten as high as it can get, you know.
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Anyways, all that said that's a long story to essentially say like I had an epiphany moment and in that epiphany I realized there's a good chance, that part of the reason why podcast is dead and like there's not going to be a return to form for these other types of content is because the internet is dead and it's just literally full of ai jabronis, um, that are just like arguing with each other back and forth and it's nothing ever.
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Oh my gosh, my dog is literally attacking pat right now with her love.
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Yeah, I mean, she's not attacking.
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She's so gentle and like she just wants attention, but I I have no idea what's going on has she ever tried to run on you like does she bolt out the door?
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Like not come back, she doesn't bolt out the door, but there's been a couple times on leash where she has gone spooked and wanted to run away.
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Um, I can't think of a time where she's tried to run after something, though.
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That's one of my least favorite traits in a dog.
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It's like the desire to leave you Just the runner yeah.
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She wants a seat at the table.
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Dude she wants to get on mic.
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This dog is giant.
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She's getting up on the table.
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She's 80 pounds.
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She's actually like you see other anatolian shepherds and you'd be like she's kind of runtish.
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But then you see you're next to like a golden retriever.
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You're like she's a really big golden retriever oh yeah, no good dog.
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Yeah, I think what the internet thing too is like.
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I mean, obviously, like the internet the word the internet is almost too broad of a thing now right, like because we use networks, and, uh, I mean watching netflix, that's the internet.
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Or, like you know, getting your email, that's the internet.
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Whatever, like you know, um, there's so many different things, but, like the internet as we know, it is shifting, changing.
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It's not just this.
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Like, it's not a new frontier, like, did you ever grow up playing flash games on the computer, like internet flash games, or did you have, like those, blocked?
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um, I played some.
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Yeah, like those are all dead and gone yeah, there's like one single website now that is a repository for a bunch of those that got backed up before they got annihilated, but all the flash game sites are dead, right, and that's how you know.
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Also, like something changed?
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Yeah, because that used to be the thing where you go play the game and you leave a comment, and that comment was literally to talk crap about the game or to talk crap to other people playing it, and it wasn't live, right, there's no way for it to be live and you leave a comment and you probably never go back and read it.
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But it was just a way of like a mild modicum of interaction for those things and those are completely gone and we're used now to like the instant notification of a reply or response to something and you kind of like have to pick your battles of what you're going to engage on now, because there's so much.
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It used to be, I feel like for the internet.
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There was no, like there was no having to pick your battles.
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It was like it's just here and like you can browse and surf as much of it as you want and you have all the time in the world and if you don't like this game, you just click back and go pick the next game right there, there was like an age of camaraderie too.
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Like the comment, the comment section used to be a place of camaraderie, yeah, you know like, but because it became, even if even if you had something negative to say, it still was just like.
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But now it's just like.
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If you're not the world's leading expert on whatever thing you want to make a comment on, or if you're also not the world's leading expert on whatever topic you're going to post about, you're going get it's like before.
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Like used to be like kind of like whatever someone would.
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Someone would just say like oh, this is, this was so cool.
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I remember something like this and someone's like yeah, me too and the other guy.
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They start talking like yeah, this is exactly how it was back when I, you know, lived in x town in missouri.
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Yeah, like, oh, no way bro.
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Like that's where I'm from too.
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Yeah, and like.
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That was like the kind of like connection.
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The comments were a connecting place, not a place of just straight like just art, like senseless, like yeah it's like the end of Rome, the Senate, and the end of Rome, yeah, when they're just all like idiots arguing in a room.
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That's the comment section here's.
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Here's how I think the internet's a dead.
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There.
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I had a youtube channel I made growing up as a kid.
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Um, you know what I'm not even gonna.
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I'm not gonna play any of the videos here because I don't want any of those.
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I don't know if some people want to be associated like.
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It was me and kids, right, like we were.
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We were in middle school or high school, yeah, making these videos, so, like, some people might not want just to be aired out on the podcast as, like, from their childhood days, right, yeah, um, but I know that, um, some of them have tens of thousands of views and I know one of them has over 500 000 views.
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Yeah, and they were very low effort.
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Well, I guess I'll say they're a lot of effort for a middle school kid, but they're very low effort for, like, the kind of content, quality and production.
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Now, right, like low, yeah, exactly yeah and um, it honestly was.
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It's one of those things where, like, I look at it now and I'm just like dude the re, why?
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Why is it harder to like, get viewership and, you know, spread um, you know, uh, a conversational or engaging piece of media, um, nowadays than it was then, because then it felt so much easier to like post a video and you know, you get your first hundred views or engagement or whatever.
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And now it's just like dude.
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It feels like if you're not paying money to grease the wheels or making the like latest trend algo, or making it your full-time, go at it, yeah.
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Then it's like so many people are like I quit my job and I just went for it all the way.
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It's's like, what about having a hobby, you know?
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Or like, yeah, to make it happen, because it is hard too, like in those spaces, like in the whole world, do you even exist if you don't have, like a following Right?
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Yeah, the number one video on here 324,000 views nice, that's.
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That's a good chunk of views right there, and but it was like zero effort, man.
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You know it was crazy and it's just like you see that and like what people loved back in the day and people freaking love that video yeah, and it was just like that's bonkers.
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To me that's unreal, because I do think the content that we make and a lot of content out there that I've seen a lot of people on YouTube make, I kind of enjoy finding the smaller users who only have a couple thousand views, maybe only a couple hundred, on stuff.
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Sometimes it's really high-quality content but for some reason it doesn't get picked up by that.
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I'll be honest.
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It doesn't get picked up by that, like you know.
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I'll be honest, it doesn't get picked up by the bot feed.
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The bots aren't constantly watching it and flushing it and like, when they're watching it it gets pumped up in numbers and views and stuff and then it gets disseminated to normal people and because bots don't do that and like they click on it and then they click off or something like that, because they don't think it's going to have like higher ad return revenue or whatever, because of content related to the description or what people are talking about, Then it never makes it to the designated audience and I think that's so sad because that is like there's no soul to it.
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And then you get these content creators who are making great stuff and it's getting slept on constantly.
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I don't know.
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It's just in that I genuinely think like the Internet is dead.
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Because of that, my number one post on Reddit is a prank video.
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Of course even though I've commented on, like I've had like super engaging posts on Reddit regarding, like unique AI models that I was working on and trying to resolve certain like problems and, like you know, some really great, like highly educational stuff, that was really, I would say, like new to the content or of like the of the domain right, like we've had conversations there that I know were like the first conversation of a certain topic in AI and like those posts did not get remotely the same amount of engagement or leverage.
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You know that, haha.
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Prank video on reddit got it is I don't know.
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It could be just like, yeah, that's user base right, but also it's one of those things where I'm just like dude.
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I genuinely believe like most of the engagement on the prank stuff is just bots reposting it and it's a lot harder for a bot to repost and know where to put questions about machine learning, algorithms and certain context uses.
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Anyways.
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Yeah, yeah, I think choice, yeah, yeah, I think, uh, it's weird.
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Yeah, it's not dead in that it is now 90.
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It's, it's a.
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It's so integrated into our lifestyle but because of the fact that it is so involved now, it is, in a way, it's dead too you know it's just like, yeah, there's certain parts or certain places out there on the internet where it's just like it's not worth your time or your engagement and and, yeah, it is funny when you do get on, you click on something and, like we said the beginning of this, where it was like, oh, I think every comment on here is just fake accounts arguing with one another, you know, and and it's, it's a pretty wild.
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That's even a thing like my, my brain, my, like my quote unquote, like generation, and I'm kind of like loving myself a little bit older folks in there.
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It's just like I don't even get it.
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It's just like it's just so silly to even think there's a world that exists where there could be, uh, people fake things arguing on the internet that are actually influencing the success of information getting out to people and I think, and that's exactly what it is.
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I think, right, it's like it's a lot harder to whip up and generate.
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You know real users to be fake interested about something, so that way it's promoted on different platforms.
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It that requires more effort and more policing of those people to keep it like the hood on it or the lid on it, and then to do it with bots, though, where you know bots are never going to accidentally slip out and be like yeah, actually, like that was like you know a couple hundred of us all working together to like cross promote this thing everywhere.
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Right, it just be no dude, it's just an automated thing.
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You flip a switch and then just blast this link out to a million different things with, you know, thousands of engagements on each one.
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And yeah, I think that it's changing in the way we consume information, the way everybody sees.
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Stuff Like the bot is also becoming ineffective because people see through it, people see, people know what they're looking at now.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And so, and I think a lot of that um well, have you, have you seen any of those things on YouTube where it's like have you, have you ever watched like a finance video on YouTube?
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Yeah, I've watched a few, yeah on youtube.
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Yeah, I've watched a few.
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Yeah, most finance videos are predominantly filled with long comment back and forth setup scams by bots and it's always like a first name, last name and then three or four numbers afterwards and someone's like man, this is really good stuff, but I just wish I knew where to start.
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And then the reply to that is like yeah, me too, if I honestly, I'm just trying to get into you know crypto, but I'm having a hard time figuring out the proper day time trades.
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And then someone's like hey, you know, I actually just made six figures over the last year by following this person's advice on this.
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Here's the link.
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And it's like oh, yeah, I've heard about her.
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She's a great like cryptocurrency investor strategist.
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And it's like how do you talk to her?
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It's like, oh, I just get a hold of her through whatsapp.
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You can get her at her, like through this whatsapp number.
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And it's, of course, going to be like a crypto scam where it's like give us a thousand dollars, we'll give you ten thousand back right, yeah um, but you look at that you're like, okay, right, this is, this is spam.
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You go to the next comment.
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Pretty much the same thing, same setup, just a different name, different number right, yeah and you just keep going down and all the usernames for those youtube accounts.
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They're all first name, last name, like two to four digits afterwards and it's the whole way down.
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Never in any of those is someone's name.
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Like monkey, platypus eats brains for dessert you know what I mean like yeah, like dude.
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I remember my first like youtube username was just goober stuff, you know, and that's what everyone did for the like usernames that's what because everyone wants to use real creativity and it's like guaranteed.
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When you're looking at youtube and someone's like just a first name, last name, numbers, it's like, yeah, but, and that's that.
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Honestly, scroll through the comments that's overwhelmingly the majority of comments and you go to their channels.
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They've never created anything.
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They've never really created a playlist, even I'm like bro, I don't even trust things that don't have playlists, because if it doesn't have a playlist, that means it's not even actually liking any videos, because if you like videos, youtube creates an automatic playlist of liked videos, right?
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So, anyway, all that said, I'm pretty sure majority of YouTube's fake.
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Now, yeah, and it's kind of weird to say that, but I'm mostly positive and I think too, like when we were marketing the podcast, which it's very hard for people who don't know to market a podcast, um, but we have solely marketed through google ads and marketing through google ads, there were times where I saw literally the let's say, I gave it a hundred dollars for one week of advertising and like trying it's supposed to push the podcast out to people who were, you know, looking up things of like related tags and all that people who'd be interested in the conversation.
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That would fill up in a moment, and it would always fill up, like if I said you're like, yeah, it doesn't matter where you advertise, you can advertise anywhere in the world where the language, where english, is spoken would immediately fill up in india and it'd say we got like a thousand people from it.
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Even if you go to our subscribers right now and scroll through our subscribers, a ton of the subscribers on youtube are just like bot accounts from india and I think someone figured out whoever they were like.
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However, they were shopping out advertising Google was.
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I think they figured it out because then we started doing advertising and it got stricter and stricter and then we got our pee-pees slapped because we were trying to mark like we're trying to advertise episodes where we were seeing, like Donald Trump, joe Biden, kamala Harris, and we were told that that was not okay and then YouTube banned us from being able to advertise and so now we don't get as many views on our stuff, but also now all of our views are at least like a real person finding the content through their algorithm, which I just don't know what's better, right, like it feels good to have 10,000 views on one of our episodes on YouTube alone.
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It's also, though, meaningless if of those 10,000, 5,000, 6,000 are just bots.
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Oh yeah, like I had to delete a comment the other day.
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I looked into it.
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I was curious about the, the efficacy of this program.
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Uh, this guy commented on there.
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It was like whatever, it was a random video of ours, it's like, um, the comment was something along the lines of I've been using such and such's book the last three months and it's been exactly what I needed in my relationship and I was like what the heck is this comment?
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I'm going to have to delete it.
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So I go click on it, like the thing.
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Actually, I didn't click on the link.
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I searched the person's name.
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They were suggesting it was hilarious.
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It was this thing of like the, whatever, the exploring the female orgasm.
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Oh my gosh, Whatever I think, yeah, no, I remember you telling me about this it just was like delete comment, you know, whatever, because yeah, it was one of those things, exactly what you're talking about, which is a bot setting up an advertisement for something just like that's not real and has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about on here and we'll see.
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There's, I think, that like in the vein of you know, like maybe being censored on ads and things like that, or bots and information.
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You know, I wonder how the future landscape is going to look on big tech stuff like Google, meta, tiktok, instagram, whatever and Twitter X.
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Well, it's like they're not even hiding it now.
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They're like advertising that you can engage with as many fake you know accounts as you want.
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We're populating it with ai users now.
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It's like what?
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Yeah, so it feels less dead.
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It's like that's gonna have the opposite effect, oh yeah this is me, a bunch of computers talking to each other, I mean already the internet has a ton of people acting like there's no consequences, but there is a, there's a little tinge, I believe, in almost everyone who uses the internet, of like.
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Should I really say that like?
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I do think that is exist in almost every kind of degree.
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No matter how like, shameless people are on the internet, I still think there's a matter of like oh, there is a person on the other end of this, and what if they're psychotic and I like set them off the deep end and they like stalk me down or something?
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right, because I comment maybe 0.25 percent, even less maybe of the comments I want to say like I mean like, yeah, less than a percentage, like the amount of times I've written out a comment and they just delete it.
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Oh yeah, I don't need to say this, yeah and and guess what?
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I was right my argument was sound.
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Yeah, but it's.
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It's like one of those things like what's no one cares no one cares exactly, they're gonna read this and like they're not even gonna reply.
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And you know what is wasteless and the other parts being like, especially if it's uh or they're gonna respond with my, like, actual coordinates.
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Yeah, they'd be, like I know you, I know your house right.
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That or or to be like.
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The only thing this will ever do is to like give away my position in the future, meaning yep yep like you know, people could backlog search it and be like oh well, like you said this here, so like you're a racist, yeah, yeah, yeah like like, yeah, that sort of stuff like has like to.
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That's why I rarely comment.
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We've talked about this before.
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I rarely comment because, especially I I comment on things that don't matter, things that like like videos like that are funny, whatever, have zero importance, I'll throw something out there, but things that I actually hold a real, true opinion about, that I feel down deep in my soul about what needs to be said here.
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I don't say anything because, like, yeah, fear of retribution in the future, you know.
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For sure.
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And I don't care about what the other keyboard warrior has to say.
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Yep warrior has to say yep, but yeah I and also I'm like I'm.
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I'm just not gonna engage with the keyboard warrior thing, even though I want to.
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I'm also not gonna open myself up and invulnerability to the future, because we know that stuff that gets out there, stuff that gets put out there, is in there in perpetuity, so that it could be found way down the line and who knows, you know how or how it's going to be used in the future.
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Right, and that's why we also even on this, on this show, we try to be fairly diplomatic and or moderate and stuff about what we say, and we and we share our true opinions too, but like just the like yeah, we share opinions, but we try to keep them with like within the context of like.
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You know we're we're open to being wrong and we're open, like.
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Our context is always like hey, this is what we believe, but like it's okay if you don't exactly, and so the that's why I don't comment on stuff, because you're just like I would like to engage in this conversation, but engaging in a real conversation.
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In this setting, all it's going to do is nothing good in the near future and in the far, far future.
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Here's my thing, and I think this is what you're alluding to, maybe to some degree.
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Also, bro, you're so gassy, I know you were like both ends.
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You were just stewing tonight.
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It's bad.
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What's up?
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You and my dog?
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Both are out of control this evening.
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But my biggest thing is I see the comments on like videos or posts and people just saying blanket stuff of like you know a video where like some guy goes to rob a house, he gets get shopped right and then they're like sirs.
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I'm right, honestly, I would have just fucking blown him away and then put like the gun in his hand.
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You know like they say stuff like that and I'm like, oh my gosh you know I see people on red Reddit constantly saying stuff like all right, folks, let's just freaking march down to there and just let's do it, bring our guns, and we'll just kill Trump ourselves.
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And it's just like yo, yo, quit tattling on yourselves Now.
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Do I support either of those people?
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Likely not, right?
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I don't support murdering someone and then framing them to have had the intention of doing you harm so you could get away with crime, and I certainly don't support, uh, treason.
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Um, you know, I don't support assassinating the us president, right?
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Um, all that said, though, sometimes there's things where I do see and I'm like, hmm, like you know, someone's like, oh man, it was, like you know, catching a predator video right where they they do a sting up and they're like, honestly, I could never do this, because if I ever found out someone was trying to sleep with my kid, even if they didn't touch my kid, I'd freaking, bury their body, you know, in concrete, and just like, let them die.
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And I'm like, bro, you ever do it actually in a context where, like you're justified because they were touching your kid and like you were out of anger, took action and you know, you saved your kid from what they were trying to do to him, but you killed him in the process.
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Jury's still gonna pull this up and be like, oh no, he was primed, he just wants to kill anyone who looks like a pedophile right.
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You know I mean, and so like all that, I see all that stuff.
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I'm like keep it to yourself.
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Yeah, keep it to yourself.
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That doesn't need to be written out like you can have that opinion, you can have that opinion.
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That belief doesn't need to be written forever on the internet oh yeah, that's what even I do like.
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All right, big time reddit feed big time.
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You're talking about the lady saying she's going to uh dc this april or no this march to shoot trump no oh my gosh, bro, it's, it's all right you tell me this feed and I'll find this one r radon oh yeah, oh yeah oh yeah oh, let's get into the drama of our radar.
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Oh my God, dude.
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So uh, um, I am technically an expert on mitigation and measurement, whatever, but like, uh, it's just, uh, I don't even I rarely comment on there.
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I peruse it, I check it out.
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Somebody's like needs help figuring out how to do a system on there, and I'll just like, sometimes I'll help, I'll say something, and then, most of the time though, it's just even in that tiny microcosm, tiny, tiny, tiny.
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I mean, there's like maybe a couple thousand people, like maybe two, three thousand people on the whole thing, right, and it's like, um, people get in arguments, people are yelling at each other about all this stuff.