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Ever wondered why your nostalgic love for childhood pizza still battles against the convenience of modern-day pies? Get ready to sink your teeth into our delicious debate over everything from the cheese-filled crusts of yesteryear to the efficiency of Domino's app technology. We'll take you through a gastronomic journey dabbling into the unforeseen connection between pizza preferences and the contentious subject of non-pasteurized milk. It's a flavorful fusion of culinary critique and dairy debates that's sure to stir up some hunger pangs and maybe even challenge your lactose tolerance.
But wait, there's more than just food to digest here. Join us as Dean returns, recounting the adrenaline-pumping experiences from a recent firearms convention, Shot Show, where passion and politics intersect. Discover the latest innovations in the industry, from Turkish shotguns to the Kriss Vector's recoil-reducing design. Whether you're a seasoned gun enthusiast or new to the scene, our exploration of this dynamic community will arm you with knowledge and maybe even a new perspective on the camaraderie and competition that fuels it.
Finally, strap in for a showcase showdown of the most innovative and quirky products that left an impression on us. We'll give you the rundown on offerings from Palmetto State Armory, the artistry of ornately engraved collector's pieces, and why the "yeet cannon" might just be your next conversation starter. Our episode is locked and loaded with insights and anecdotes that will keep you entertained and possibly entice you to add a new piece to your own collection. Fire up your curiosity, as we bring you tales of industry quirks, personal preferences, and the unbeatable spirit of gun enthusiasts.
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00:00 - Ranking Pizza Options and Discussing Preferences
15:57 - Domino's Pizza and Non-Pasteurized Milk
26:22 - Firearm Industry Convention Impressions and Experiences
37:42 - Impressions and Cool Convention Gear
47:56 - 'PSA's Lowers, Seracoat, and Chris Vector
52:48 - Chris Vector and Hollison Night Vision
58:09 - Innovative Booths and Products at Show
01:12:17 - Firearms and Gun Enthusiasts' Preferences
Okay. So Pat likes this pizza. I do, and this pizza reminds me of like when you saw Sesame Street as a kid and you just see New York. You're like damn, new York's kind of dirty and you think that as a child. And then you see Oscar the Grouch come out of his trash can like there's like the prop pizza in the trash. Can this pizza? Is that pizza, dude? Really. Okay, it's not the worst pizza in the world. I've had way worse, because airport pizza is what is that? Airport pizza chain? the one that's also in all the malls.
Speaker 2:They sell by the Italy flag, the.
Speaker 3:Domino's mini airport pizza.
Speaker 1:Dean, dean, dean, dean. One thing at a time. All right, what is this pizza that?
Speaker 2:is so wait. Are you not to hate on Sabaro?
Speaker 1:oh dude, sabaro tastes like cardboard. I can't, oh, my god every time I've had Sabaro like this is just cardboard with cheese on it every child remembers having Sabaro in their, their local mall as a kid and, yeah, when it was 75 cents a slice. Great, that's what it's worth, yeah bro, you get that.
Speaker 3:Don't ruin my memory.
Speaker 1:Don't ruin my memory right now when you get it for four bucks in the airport and you're like this tastes exactly like the box it's in, like I legit like was eating it and I was like just for science and I licked the box. It was the same taste. The crust in the box tasted the same.
Speaker 3:I think it's been sitting in that box for like a while, yeah or the base of that pizza is cardboard anyways.
Speaker 1:I said the pizza that Pat likes is not as bad.
Speaker 2:I agree it was pretty good.
Speaker 1:I say it's not as bad, but here's my beef with it price point that gets you. I just think like when we look at Domino's and how good Domino's is and how good the deals are on Domino's and is it that?
Speaker 2:but are we talking money or flavor, or both? Are we both?
Speaker 1:they're on a road, because this let's think of it nickname, so we don't actually get sued for definition yeah, pete Larry's, pizza Larry's portable pizza dude one delivery drivers total pricks go go my ass to brawl. I laid out such funny good jokes and they just looked at me like I don't know. Honestly, they looked at me like a child predator. I'll be honest, they like they gave me bad vibes and you know how we feel, it too, they. I think the pizza, I think the white pizza is good, yep, but not even remotely as good as just getting a white pizza made from like a place. Who like does it?
Speaker 3:hmm, nationwide all right if we're talking cost to taste ratio.
Speaker 1:Dude cheese filled crust Domino's garlic butter rub crust.
Speaker 3:No Domino's closer Domino's top here is.
Speaker 1:I don't think Domino's is top tier if this is way better than the portable ratio.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm thinking like if we're trying to be discreet about names here, like Ro Rino's pizza from King's super that's a brand like that's a chain.
Speaker 2:We're just not trying to roast the local shop yeah, we're not trying to okay.
Speaker 1:What the local is up to, you know, is pizza from King's super love.
Speaker 2:I hate that, I hate that dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this yeah whatever that is that they try to sell off like minced meat on top.
Speaker 3:That's my childhood, that Canadian bacon, I think about.
Speaker 1:I think about those like little pepperoni flex. I think about the time when I ate pizza and drank a glass of milk at a sleepover in middle school, elementary school, and when I threw up because I had a fever and stuff, I could still see the little red pepperoni.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see you complain about the Canadian bacon, but you'll eat bacon bits all day bacon bits all day.
Speaker 1:Dean. Dean, you're arguing is not even valid, cuz I love.
Speaker 3:It's fantastic.
Speaker 1:I love.
Speaker 3:Canadian?
Speaker 2:they don't make them round anymore stood out. They make them rectangular, so they fit perfectly in a toaster. No, no, no, it's perfectly shaped for a toaster of it. You know what I?
Speaker 3:will say pizza is better in the toaster of. It isn't a microwave, but we always put them in the oven.
Speaker 1:Everything is better than in the microwave. Dude, name me one thing that tastes better in the microwave than it does stove top or the oven hot dogs hot dogs?
Speaker 3:honestly probably those like Kraft, mac and cheese, little, no way.
Speaker 2:Dude bowls no way, though there's no way to cook those in the oven, no difference you can you put them on the stove?
Speaker 3:no, no, the little, the little bowls you put it, you can you just throw that plastic on your stove no, you take the macaroni.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, bro, you might as well just have a regular box of Kraft.
Speaker 3:At that point there's no point in getting a little bowl.
Speaker 1:We've divulged Dean. Because what Dean? Before we go back to portable pizza, yeah, verse Domino's ramen. Is it better on the stove or in the microwave?
Speaker 3:it's better on the stove. Thank you, that's it that's actually, it's actually better just crunchy, just straight it is better crunchy ramen cookies.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, pat. Why are you so dedicated to this place? Dude it. They don't love you. No, they clearly hate you. They hate Mick for sure, that child predator over there no, no, no, I'm saying, they gave me child predator vibes I think I like their crust.
Speaker 2:I like a lot. I like like their pizza. It is expensive, I like it cuz it's expensive it's expensive. You know why we paying for that.
Speaker 1:We we like is coming on my bank account. I am a.
Speaker 3:I'm a dedicated Carl's buyer, dedicated for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1:I'm actually I'm actually I hate to say it, but I'm coming around to Pat's, I'm sorry. The amount of times I've had Carl's in the last year, like the frequency mm-hmm is way more than I ever had in college and I've noticed the frequency now of the quality is super low versus back in college and you know what I think it is. I think they pre-make an insane amount of one topping pizzas and just let them sit under a heat lamp or sit in a low temp oven, because I noticed their pizza quality is really high on anything that isn't one topping, like anything that is like custom ordered yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel like that checks out.
Speaker 1:But when they do like the bulk stuff of like oh, give me four pepperon, these four cream cheeses and four sausages. Dude, it always comes so dry is that?
Speaker 3:is that eating in or no delivery?
Speaker 2:not, that's delivery okay, so that's actually pick up my first experience what with Carl's was 12 years ago 13 years ago, so long time ago so and this was back when they were just one location, mm-hmm, and they literally had the seating in there was they hadn't expanded yet, so they just had three booths basically to sit in yep, and that was it. What was what used to be there before they expanded a dojo?
Speaker 1:for karate. I my the year, the summer I came up to do my orientation at CSU mm-hmm, was when Carl said just expanded but was still rebuilding, like it was still being built out. But it was like you know, one dude at kind of a counter while drywall wasn't even assembled up, you could see all the ovens in the back. He's like what can I get you?
Speaker 2:this place is gonna burn down it was great and so back then it was so good, it was so good for a long time. I stand. I think it's still good, it's still very good, mm-hmm. But I think as they expanded, they just started using cheaper ingredients too. There was something in there, when they started expanding, like something they started putting in there. Just it's just not the same as what it once was. I still love it and also I've held this belief since the beginning of. Carl's too was their specialty. Pizzas are where it's at the one yeah the one topping pizzas that most every other pizza shop in town wins over them on a one topping but, you get that more to the border, yeah, but the specialty pizza, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Anyways, I get crispy chicken on my pizza. I crazy case every time, yeah, but this, this pizza, this collab pizza, was Nashville hot chicken, mm-hmm. Green chilies oh it's good. Spicy ranch base and cream cheese, mm-hmm. And I can handle decently hot things, I even ate it just fine. But at the time our local trainer at this coffee shop, he, he and I went there ate it together was our first time and only time ever, having it. The next day at work. He comes through the drive-through and I had had such a painful night that I ran to the window and at the same time me and him looked at each other in the eyes, word for word, and said dude, my butthole. The same exact time.
Speaker 2:That's funny, a lot of people that coffee shop have that, that comment yeah, brother, I'm not a caffeine.
Speaker 1:You drink plus Eden.
Speaker 3:I'm a very little caffeine kind of guy okay whatever, bro.
Speaker 1:I don't even know who you are anymore. I drink 75% decaf when I worked there really yeah, that makes sense, because otherwise you'd have a freaking stroke and ulcer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, lack of stomach lining at the most.
Speaker 3:One coffee day at the most really I'm a.
Speaker 1:I'm a two espressos a day, like I have my Billy Jean. God bless that woman. She loves me, bro. She knows now I didn't even tell her this, bro, she just knows Billy Jean. You know she's very aware of my routines, even before I am, and I was watching this Andrew Huberman thing where he's like don't drink coffee until you've been awake for nine minutes because it essentially only delays the brains processing of, like your wake up in cortisol dumps and all sorts of things. So like, let that all dump out before you drink coffee, because that way you won't get that afternoon sleepies. I was like, right, I'll try that. I didn't really communicate that to her, but she just noticed my coffee was not drink drinking drank my coffee was not drunk by the time, like lunch came around or something like that and or like talking about lunch, and so she just naturally adopted bro. And so she just incredible, with our espresso machine she just does the double tap button of the Nespresso and if you double tap it it brews less in volume but more concentrated. And so she does two of those with our homemade creamer, because most creamer nowadays just has friggin soybean oil or vegetable oil and it's so bad for you, like. The fact that you can have creamer outside, like for camping, and it'll be the last thing to go bad, really upsets me. That's a bad thing that put in your body. But anyway, so we just make our own creamer and all that you know, it's just the heaven of coffee. I really only need one of those a day like by the time done drinking, I feel like what is homemade creamer homemade creamer so it's like it's a little bit of heavy cream, a little bit of chocolate milk, a little bit of well, it's a lot less sugar. No, it's good then having milk and then adding like something to it syrup, wise, I see. And chocolate milk is actually really good for like just getting electrolytes and hydrating it's got chocolate. You didn't know, I'm gonna start drinking. Chocolate milk is like a chocolate milk is a better fluid for rehydrating your body than Gatorator water. Seriously, bro, like it's like studies have come out about it. It's like read it white paper is legit about like some serious doubts right now there's white papers of like why professional athlete teams like NBA teams, nfl teams will drink a glass of like chocolate milk to recover chocolate milk is a very like calorie dense. But it doesn't even have that much sugar in it, Dude it's like pretty low.
Speaker 2:I'm just picturing Ron Burgundy just drinking the milk, drinking the milk, oh.
Speaker 3:God it's so hot.
Speaker 2:Look after a workout, Just because I don't think I'm just a gnarly sweaty workout. You're just like over there, like just chugging chocolate milk in the steam room.
Speaker 1:I definitely enjoyed post-workout doing chocolate milk over normal milk for protein shakes.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I felt way less heavy and felt like just no kind of like bloated sleepiness. After all that I'm switching All I said we use that, and then I can't remember what else she throws in there, but it's pretty much like nothing artificial. No artificial sweeteners or anything like that. No oils, which is, of course, the worst thing, bro. I don't think people realize how bad vegetable oil and soybean oil is on like not just the human body but the male body, and so you really just don't want that in your digestion, track Down in your testes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, shriveling them up.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of science Again. Go read white papers, right. But like plant-based oils outside of some like Right, olive oil, olive oil is pretty good. Olive oil is pretty good. I mean, don't be drinking it, you know that's there are people that do that. They'll drink that. Like a tablespoon. You really shouldn't, bro. That's so hard on your digestion track, but it is, but it's good fat. Yeah, there's better ways to get that fat, but anyway, just all I'm saying is take a look at it. Seed oil is pretty much one of the worst things you could do. A lot of people don't realize that seed oil with, like, the seed oil industry was seriously going underwater and then they transitioned from being a manufacturing oil for mechanical parts and devices to commercial market to be used for cooking and like. There are people alive today that remember when that happened. Like they're old, yeah, but they're like. Yeah, I remember it was like right after World War Two when, like, all of a sudden, they weren't using grape seed oil to lube the parts at the factory and they were saying it was good for us to put in our food. Can you imagine, like, how hard of a cell that was at the time?
Speaker 2:And now, like, no one thinks twice about it In a couple years of like deep fried and some pens oil. Exactly, take that little chicken. Yeah, synthetic yeah.
Speaker 1:Here's why I oiled my cutting board with synthetic lube Instead of the pan, speaking of creamer. I hold on, hold on, before we go too much further. All I said Larry's portable pizzas, fresh and garbage, and that's where I die. All right, good night, ladies.
Speaker 2:We can move on to another topic. We have other things we need to discuss. Such is such a not a fan of it.
Speaker 1:It's not that I'm not a fan of it, bro, it's that I'm not a fan of how it gets here and it's not warm when they show up to our front door. I'm not a fan of their customer service and, ultimately, I don't think they got that many good options compared to, like the a la carte. Whatever you want, make it your dream pizza Domino's.
Speaker 2:God, what was your oyster? You can app it. Just get on the app. That is the Domino's. How Billy Jean and I order our.
Speaker 1:Domino's bro, if you get the points and the discount and unique discounts scans your essence and it just puts the right pizza out.
Speaker 3:That you're right up like dominoes my finger it absorbed my DNA. Yeah, I think so, really, I think so, I think you're lying, I am, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Wait, hold up real quick.
Speaker 3:So there's a look. I'm interested in trying this because me and the creamer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah Me, and my wife. My wife and I recently discovered a local farm that does non-pasteurized milk and bro, there is a lot of talk around non-pasteurized milk being the secret to being like you know. Yes, odysseus.
Speaker 3:So my wife is pretty dairy intolerant and from what we've been told is that in other countries people do not have these issues because their milk is non-pasteurized, and so we found it's illegal in the States to do that. But there's something some loophole with like but fluoride in the water is legal.
Speaker 1:Tell me how that makes sense.
Speaker 3:We got a Michigan boy here.
Speaker 1:Just get it. Just get it, guys. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3:But we found a local farm that has a pretty long wait list and they'll deliver it locally and from what I've been told is that it is basically like cream and it is also sweeter.
Speaker 1:I don't know man, I don't know if I've ever had like. I want to say I'm country enough to that. I've had a glass of non-pasteurized.
Speaker 3:If you go to another country, that's what you're drinking.
Speaker 1:No dude, not in Norway. Guarantee.
Speaker 3:I guarantee it is like in Norway. I like straight from the frickin other.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest, I don't remember them selling milk in Norway. I remember them selling a version of that's because that's because they walk outside, they pour themselves a glass and they come back inside. I just remember them selling what like. What everyone put on their cereals was like essentially heavy cream, but it was yogurt. It was like dude that's that milk.
Speaker 3:It was like no, it was like animals. You remember a day? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like animals and you like.
Speaker 1:You just like open the car in and you pour it out and I was like what is? This and they're like activia or whatever, it wasn't like anything that just, but it was like it was so good, bro. But as soon as I came back from Norway I was just by that oh, it's for every bowl of cereal.
Speaker 3:My Scottish friend. The first time I spent the night over at his house and we had gone to his grandma's house early in the morning because it was. We were like riding bikes and it's pretty close and that's why this grandma gave me with some fricking like oats, with some running yogurt, with some yogurt. Oh was it not delicious? No, I literally was like what the fuck is this? You didn't like it, dude. I wanted some frosted flakes.
Speaker 1:And I did not.
Speaker 3:It's.
Speaker 2:American.
Speaker 3:And today I would probably appreciate it, but at the time we had a lot of sugar in my house and you weren't ready for that. I wasn't ready for it.
Speaker 1:All right, go ahead and talk about the milk stuff I'm going to look up. I just thought of a thing I need to look up.
Speaker 2:Is it pertaining to this, or is it? Yeah, you know, cows are holy in India.
Speaker 1:India is like one of our biggest listener bases. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Do they go? Do they drink milk?
Speaker 3:Milk that's a great point.
Speaker 2:Go milk? Yeah, do they, because I would think milk Well, I would think that they're not harming the animal and that do they revere milk even greater than we do you know, if you thought that cows were holy, then their meat is like fucking top notch, you know well, they say weird.
Speaker 1:They say this is Quora, which used to be like something you could trust. Cows are considered holy in India, just like mothers are considered holy and sacred to their children. In fact, it is precisely because Indians drink the milk of cows that the cows considered sacred and holy. I think that's a generalization.
Speaker 2:But I've heard that it's because I've heard there's a couple of things as well as the fact that, like traditionally, most milk in India is from buffalo and not cows. Buffaloes huh, probably real buffaloes, not American buffaloes, aka the bison water buffaloes that they're milking. How do you milk those things, dude? Those things seem a little bit randy, a little bit.
Speaker 1:There's literally a woman here milking a yak Like she's and she's like posed up just like you would get in America. This honestly, yeah, oh, yeah, I know, so I see, I'll tell you, I'll send you a screenshot, bro. I mean, it just looks like. Imagine her wearing a cowboy hat.
Speaker 3:That's America. She's got the biggest smile on her face, yeah that's the way she's grinning. That's the way we do it here.
Speaker 1:She's having a great time. That's cool. I'm glad I know that now I work with so many people who are immigrants from India that I now don't have to be on culture. You want to give me some of that yak milk Dude. I talked to them so much about India culture. Today I went to an Indian restaurant and I literally went there just because my co-work was talking about a specific dish and I was like, oh, it's on this restaurant list. He's like, oh yeah, go there and get it. And I got it and I sent a picture of it. When they brought out, he's like, oh, that is not, that's not it. There's not to hunt goat and I was like well, what do I do? And he's like I don't know.
Speaker 3:I just remember like eating it.
Speaker 1:It was fine. It was like it was a bad lunch. I'll stick with chicken tikka masala though. Yeah, but like I'll stick with that chick filet.
Speaker 2:Man do, you don't like chicken tikka masala.
Speaker 1:It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3:Do you remember one of the first times that we hung out?
Speaker 1:I can throw this at your head, dude. That is like it's creamy and delicious the first time you hung out at my house. What?
Speaker 3:No, no one. Of the first times that you and I hung out, jim and Porter was at. Yeah, dude, are you talking?
Speaker 1:about the first time.
Speaker 3:We went to.
Speaker 1:Hu Hut the first time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was the first time, but maybe the second time Barachi Beriani. No, it was the. It was the Pakistani grill place over by over off of Elizabeth. Oh, yeah, we got some chicken, tikka masala and some garlic.
Speaker 1:Mom, yummy no no, no, no, no, was it off of Elizabeth.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then they closed. They're not there anymore.
Speaker 3:I was on my wife, one of the first states of me, my wife as well.
Speaker 1:Really. Yeah, they did it to go. I knew like when I went in there I was like dude, there was like straight up like a silly dial out of the silly on the floor. I was like this place they last.
Speaker 3:Dude it was, it was delicious, it was good, it was really good. Ah man, that's so disappointing, you're not?
Speaker 2:that's hilarious, oh my gosh. Well, folks, this is the making Pat show.
Speaker 1:Oh, I guess you should say it by now. But how much of that is going to get you out?
Speaker 2:Not a lot. I think it was great. But we're 30 minutes in, that's OK, but we haven't introduced. There's another voice talking. It's been here before at this point, three episodes, if you've heard this now. And so before this is the fourth yeah he's been in three.
Speaker 1:Yeah really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is this is. This is fourth episode and it's Dean. Dean is here. We're having me. We got to hear about his rooftop tent, career and endeavors.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And now crisis, it's a crisis, and so there's a wild, wild mythical thing out there in the world that we hear about and we see it from where?
Speaker 1:we see it From distant screens.
Speaker 2:We see it through a screen, through the portals, and we see our influencers going there. We see, you know, all the, all the top dogs heading over to this place. And I've wondered about it for a long time, about what it is, and over the last it's always been a big thing Well, not always, but it's been a big thing for a long time. But over the last seven, five to seven years, it's become an even bigger thing and that thing is shot show. Hmm so out in the city of Sin a couple people get together yearly to discuss new gear and it's and I guess you know the gear ranges from everything. It specifically centers on really firearms because it's the shot show, shot show firearms firearms accessories. How are you supposed to shoot a gun unless you have an 800 round magazine attached to it? How?
Speaker 3:are you?
Speaker 2:supposed to shoot a gun unless you have the correct belt on that holds that gun to your body? How are you supposed to shoot a gun unless you have a rooftop tent? You can't do it, it's just, you just can't do it. So shot show it has all sorts of everything there. It's like a mythical wonderland of all the things, and Dean got to go there and be a part of it and we're interested to hear about it. And there's a chance that, since you were working, you didn't get to Maybe see all of the fun stuff, but you at least got to peer through the curtain. Yeah, see inside the world. Here's the veil you have to pierce, the veil of the shot show. So what was? Is this something you'd known about for a long time, like you've known of shot show? Have you been there before? What's the?
Speaker 3:deal. Yeah, never, never had been there. I'd known about it for a while. It was kind of I I Don't want to say on our radar, but something that would have been pretty cool, but I didn't yeah.
Speaker 1:Was this your company's debut as shah show?
Speaker 3:you do.
Speaker 1:Vengeance. Have they been to shah show before?
Speaker 3:yeah, never been a shot show. This is our debut as shah show. We were the only rooftop 10 company there.
Speaker 1:So what?
Speaker 3:yeah, it's there's and I'll tell you something I'm really let me ask, call me a biscuit.
Speaker 1:I would have thought they've been 10, 10.
Speaker 3:I'm really hoping it stays this way. But the vehicle that we had in our booth was one of like maybe three cars in the entire show. Like people just don't bring their cars are not a part of that show and I hate to be kind of the people like Cutting into this industry from overlanding and I'm really hoping it stays predominantly firearms. Our goal was to we're launching a line of tents and accessories that are going to be geared predominantly toward people in shooting and hunting and fishing and we do not want to be carrying like our side of the industry into the show. We wanted to be Like, really like coming into a different industry. We don't want any crossover or cross-contamination and so I'm hoping that it stays that way. I've seen this happen to a couple other industries and shows and it. It's a beautiful thing that they got going there and it's really cool, and so I'd hope it stays the same and I hope that next year we can kind of cater more toward that industry and keep things pretty authentic. But I had a great time. We learned a lot from there because it was nothing that we expected and I In comparison to the other conventions you've been to.
Speaker 1:Let's just, I Don't want to cut you off, but I'm just really curious of like it seems like it's you know, 100,000 people in a convention center like it. What is it really, dude? It's fucking massive. Okay, so is it? So was this the biggest like con you've been to for the company.
Speaker 3:I don't quote me on this, but I think it is the biggest show in America. Oh, oh, in this pop for that. It's not even in the the sheer size of it, because I think that might go to like Maybe SEMA or another show. The thing is that these, these other shows, have size on them because they're just larger objects, larger things being sold, but these, like Guns, are small. The gun accessories are tiny and so you pack it up. Yeah, for for them to have as much room as they have for the accessories that they do have, and I actually appreciate how small and square footage is, and when I say small, it's like it's just small compared to like something like SEMA or something else. It's like but you're like, if you're in the main hall first day, second day, it's shoulder to shoulder like, wow, you, you have or are having a hard time walking around. And, to put it in in scale, like some of these, some of these booths, these larger companies have booth spaces that are so impressive that they're easily dropping a million dollars just on their booth. Whoa, we have like two-story buildings getting built inside of this convention for like meeting rooms and for Showcases and like full staircases getting built like it looks like. Did you ever go to American furniture? Where else is a? kid yeah, once a year, yeah it looks like they were like houses inside of American furniture. That's what this is, yeah, like it's just impressive. It is just sheer, surely impressive, and it shows how much, how much money there is in firearms. But it's it's warranted. I think there's a lot of industries that that don't have a lot of reason to funnel as much money into their spaces as they do.
Speaker 1:But the thing is with with shot show is, this is a really big industry where People are making a lot of a lot of ground and a lot of advancements quickly and there's a lot of really good respected players in the game and there's government contracts and so that was one thing I always wondered like I've seen the inside of like the like, I Should say I've seen videos of the like, inside of like the internal government Shows right, like of like, where they're like this is everyone here works for a government, everyone here you know as either a consultant or a Member of a government body looking at like warheads tanks. You know what I mean. So, but I've never really seen shot show in any of its coverage being like, displayed as like a. Okay so, military contractors here, us government here, you know, british government forces here, right, I've never really seen it as that. I've always seen it as like very recreational or law enforcement.
Speaker 3:I see a lot of law enforcement so and so there is that. Like that is a very big piece, but Unlike other shows, this is industry only, so Outsiders or public cannot get into the show. Yeah, or, as other shows that I've been to, there's like either the entire show Is for the public or just one day. Oh, so you can't just go to shot.
Speaker 1:No, you can't. You can't buy it. Oh yeah, you didn't know it. I've just, I've just always figured you gotta be a YouTube personality to get invited.
Speaker 3:It's whether it's like you're in the industry, you're in DoD or your media or something like you have to have some sort of credentials, you can be there. I knew this very shortly leading up to the show, but in my opinion that makes it all the more exciting because when you're there, like people are putting on their new products and their new technology, because people are landing really big business deals- you don't just have tired kickers.
Speaker 2:You know, like if I went to shot show I'd just be like, hey, how much is that? Oh, it's that many tens of thousands dollars.
Speaker 3:Let me hold it for a second, you know what I mean, don't get me wrong like you're gonna, you're gonna get those people, but majority of people are not, because it's it's. It's not like it's like you've got. Like, if I go to SEMA, for example, it's like you've got people who are into race cars, you've got people that are into, like, ceramic coating, or you've got people that are in the off-road. It's like you got a lot of people that walk into a section. They have absolutely no idea what they're looking at. But it's like this show is. It's firearms Like good, if you're there, you're there to look at firearms and you're there to look at things that have to do with firearms. It's not like there's a bunch of sex, of firearms.
Speaker 1:That I mean there are, but it's not. It's not that far. Sex sex.
Speaker 3:I don't know what that is, but I like it so there's just some really impressive stuff going on there and it's, it's my it's over, stimulating my jaws just like to the floor, like when I'm walking around stuff. A lot of big-name people walking around there. Like I got to meet Tim Kennedy was when I was there.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, oh, wow, okay. So Wait, hold on, yeah, cuz we do have a lot of questions, but I don't, I want you to when you're ready.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll be very brief.
Speaker 2:No, just keep, keep going.
Speaker 3:Don Jr Just happened to be at her booth. Oh, I wasn't there, just like that's not, that's so, that's wild.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just like just a picture with him.
Speaker 3:Did you get a? He was there when I was not, so I let I left to go walk around.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:He was just, you know, no security detail, nothing. He was just walking around. Yeah, it doesn't. It's like it's like everybody here is my security, but there's some yeah, there's some really really awesome booths there and, at the end of the day, like people are putting on like like Beer gardens or like they've just got kegs and people can go buy and get a beer, and, yeah, it's just really fascinating. There you learn a lot about some of these, some these companies and the products that they have and what they're about, and so we were pretty close to some smaller companies. That was really awesome and some stuff that was near us. So, yeah, it was. It was a great experience and we'll be back next year. Even though we're not really in the industry and we can't treat it as an industry show because we're not selling to Dealers or distributors. It is purely a marketing experience because everybody there it's like Not all overlanders are people who are into camping like guns, but all people who like firearms like camping. So it's like it was great for us.
Speaker 1:We had been diagram. Yeah, it's like it's square and rectangle thing, One circle fits entirely in the other, so how many?
Speaker 2:days, is it so? It's? It's four days.
Speaker 3:It's five days for us because we have to set up and do all that, but it's, it's four days just for the show I did for sure.
Speaker 2:Okay, so my biggest question and it's.
Speaker 1:You know I know you might not be as familiar with some of these people as Pat and I that we like religiously fall on YouTube, but Did you get to meet anyone or see anyone on the show floor? That is like kind of in like Gun celebrity, firearms, celebrity stuff and like get to see them kind of off camera. Because I think about, like TFB TV, james Reeves, demolition ranch Matt from there, brandon Herrera running for Congress, or sorry, he's running to be a senator, right senator or congressman, I don't know which one, but he's there right and he's, he has his own firearms manufacturing company is um. I'm often always curious of like who they are off camera. Yeah, so this is like part of the downside of.
Speaker 3:I mean, it could be an upside if you're like in a really, really busy area or with a really well-known company in the industry. But I I was working probably at probably 70% of the time, so I didn't get to bump into a lot of these guys. But I'm also not super aware of a lot of the influencers in the gun space and I'm a very big gun Connoisseur myself, but it's I have a very limited amount of people that I'm following, but they're there like I still see their videos. Like there's people if I'm walking down the hall and I'm on my way to Another person's booth or I'm walking around, there are influencers where you just like hear people holler around the hall is like oh man, I'm huge fucking fan of your stuff. Like I love you, dude. And in a lot of the time, like these guys respond really well like they're like they're like hey man, I really appreciate, even though they're just they're getting Basically cat called all day long, like they respond really well and they're taking pictures with people and it's, it's. It shows that there's actually a lot of humility in this space, which is really cool. I did not get to bump in a ton of people, and the ones that I did witness I did not know who. They were sure you hear it. You hear somebody getting cat called and you're like I wish you know the fucking guy was, but you did mention tim canady that you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm to him, madam, or he came and checked out your stuff, or well, he was at the 511 booth, understandably. So the 511 booth was it was.
Speaker 3:It was small, but it was pretty rad and so he was there. He gave like a small, a small talk and there's a I talked my wife about this there's some he's. He's done a lot of really cool things and he's a very Influential guy in the space and he's a pretty influence like a pretty inspiring speaker, I would say. But there's I would say that if I Were not a believer, I would resonate with a lot of what he's saying. But as a believer, there's kind of a wall or a limit of how much I can read and I can't resonate a ton of what they say. But he was, he was a really great guy and had a really big smile on and he was really kind to anybody that he met, which was awesome. So, yeah, I think I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm a very good guy and I'm a very good guy. I'm a very good guy and I'm a very good guy and I'm a very good guy and I'm a very good guy, really kind to anybody that he met, which was awesome. Um, so yeah, I got to. I just briefly got to meet him, but I think he was there with the Vec Ramaswamy as well. I did not get to meet the Vec. I didn't even see him, but he's irrelevant now, immediately.
Speaker 1:Who knows? Dude, no, I'm so better dude, I was gonna vote for Vec.
Speaker 3:I don't care who does it.
Speaker 1:I was on the Vec train. We've we've got a potential VP here. I don't I don't know if he will be. I know everyone's telling them, telling Trump he should be.
Speaker 3:But I think either him Tucker or Tulsi.
Speaker 1:I think it's Tulsi.
Speaker 3:You think it's Tulsi I?
Speaker 1:think that's the wise move for and then like, have the Vec be like you know. Uh, on the, on the staff, see.
Speaker 3:I thought rfk was gonna go for Tulsi because the same fight over the great thing, she's a free agent.
Speaker 1:She is a free agent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's awesome and Yep.
Speaker 1:I don't care, I was trying to get off tracks.
Speaker 2:I think it was like we just jumped into like I don't vote on party lines.
Speaker 1:I don't vote on party lines at all. Um, ok, all right. My other question then is like asshole to chill ratio, like if you had to give it, like the amount of people you interact with at this convention, because I think a lot of people think of like Non gun, people think a gun convention is just going to be full of pricks. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, lots of real tree camo, which I'm a fan of, by the way but just say it like you know what I mean, like it's just like you definitely get a mixture.
Speaker 3:I would say I was.
Speaker 1:So like a one to two ratio, one to five, one to nine.
Speaker 2:Fake operators, did you see?
Speaker 3:Oh man. Oh it was. It was also really hard to tell because, if I mean, like most of the dudes that you saw were just like military age males, mm, hmm, fade tattoos. Low cut shirt like in shape yeah, in shape, wearing like a black rifle shirt or something you know so. But that those are all just like purely based on. I see somebody and I'm making an assumption of what their life looks like. Not a negative one, but I'm making an assumption for sure, but I did. I did run into a couple dudes where I was like man you're a dickhead. But I was pleasantly surprised that there was generally a lot of kindness and, honestly, just just mutual respect for having you got to understand that people who are at these shows share mostly the same hobbies and because of that, the way that men have their identities in hobbies or accomplishments or things Like, as soon as, as soon as dudes find a mutual hobby that they can talk about, like around the grill or like anything Like, they just they just get along Like. And so I was pleasantly surprised and there was a lot of great people that I met, and even you just yeah, it was a good time. There's a lot, of, a lot of good people there. But these guys also could have been total wieners and you wouldn't have known because you were just geeking out about something that was was mutual and that's like that's kind of what life is all about. That's what that's. What's about is geeking out about these things that you're interested in, even if you're very different people. So in that way it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:It's awesome. Whenever I do any activity with fellas golfing, shooting, fishing, whatever you get home, my wife makes one do so. Like how's he doing Like what you guys talk about? Oh, I don't know. I was like, yeah, I look at it.
Speaker 1:I look at him like oh, I think he's going through a divorce. Yeah, but he got asked about that he got this dope new holster.
Speaker 3:He talked about it for like nine seconds.
Speaker 2:Oh, she's like, what she's like. Like, for instance, like you get back from golfing. She's like so what did you guys talk about? And I just look at her and say I don't remember. It's like what did you talk about? Like fishing, you know like she's like. So do you know how he's doing? I'm like no, I don't.
Speaker 1:Honestly, he just insulted me the whole time and it was a great time, yeah, he insulted the size of my member.
Speaker 2:It was great. I loved it. We'll get out there again. It's like you spent eight hours with him. You don't know how he's doing. It's like, and one sense it's a great beautiful thing Other since maybe check in on your bros, but mostly it's just a very beautiful thing. You could just like, just hang out.
Speaker 1:So OK, I mean, I got it. We got asked the question. Everyone wants to know. Yeah, Dean, the coolest shit you saw.
Speaker 3:Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was the coolest top 10 things and so my my coolest things. I'm a marketing guy, so a lot of this is coming from a place of like display. Yeah, the the impressives are the things that I just I've got a couple like technical things that I'm like this is pretty, this is pretty frank and sick. So One of just like generally like cool things that I saw yeah, there was a company that made suppressors for miniguns, like fully functional suppressor for miniguns.
Speaker 2:Is it just a giant tube, or is it like a, like a tiny suppressor on each barrel?
Speaker 3:So a giant tube that attaches fully on and it's got like all of like the barrel holes and it's fully rotating, fully attached. Dude, I'm having a feeling to just thinking about that, and when I say, looking at this, it was one of the most impressive like pieces of technology. It was just immaculate.
Speaker 2:I just immaculate. It's incredible, but just really quick. Why it's a dude? Nobody knows.
Speaker 1:I don't know, and they started hearing the minigun before they started hearing like fortunate son, so I want to make sure they can hear fortunate son.
Speaker 3:Well, ok, I will. I will explain that I I kind of learned the. So the booth right next to us had a, I think it was, and it wasn't like. It was like maybe an M2 is a 50 cow machine gun with a suppressor, which is very, very hard to do, because the suppressor that they made ended up replacing the entire barrel and it was really cool.
Speaker 2:So it's just so the military can stop paying on disability. That's exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 1:So, dude, yeah, that makes 100.
Speaker 3:The guy behind the guy was in hearing damage in all of our guns. Yes, I think it's like he said something like 80, 85 percent of veterans have really severe hearing damage, and if you're in an Apache or if you're a machine gunner, those guys are getting like 15 to 20 like pounds of basically pressure like with every round and thousands of times a minute, and so it's just, it's just a lot of force coming back. And so I'm sure that that is the logical reason for having a suppressor on a minigun, but I'm sure the conversation actually went. This would be fucking sick.
Speaker 1:And what do we get? A minigun to 140 decibels.
Speaker 2:Like we're going to shacho and we make something sick and it's like the easy sell for where you can be like. So how much did you guys pay out last year?
Speaker 1:And you know just about $18 billion over the course of the next 40 years.
Speaker 2:Well, these costs like 15 K a pop. How would you put on everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh. But well, we actually made them for two K. We sell them to consumers for 15. Government, that's 45 K. Yeah, exactly. But, I would. I would take a piece of that if I, if I was in this situation, to have not doubt dogging on too much.
Speaker 1:But that's hilarious.
Speaker 2:And I do want a suppress minigun yeah.
Speaker 1:I think I think that's pretty cool. All right, what else? What else? What other stuff did you see? I mean, I've heard a lot of talk about the PSA booth this year from like people who are just like PSA, rolled up literally with just like 18 things in alpha stage of like development, and they just were like yeah, so vote, yeah, we'll make whatever of the, we'll put whatever these we want in production. I voted, bro. I voted. I like it online. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They should have just showed up with like the most ratchet display. It's just like pallets. All they had was like pallets stood up on the no but because you know, we all know what PSA is about. It's about getting guns in your hands, right?
Speaker 1:Oh, it is.
Speaker 2:And so here's the thing the display shouldn't be special. This should be just just a pallet, stood up on its end with a couple like hooks on it, Like you know, like dad's garage hooks, with the yellow rubber on them. Yeah, just those screwed in with just all their guns sitting on them and they just like we know we're about dude.
Speaker 1:My favorite expression is when there's a way, there's a PS way, it's like. That's true, bro, I think. And I watched an interview with the CEO of PSA where he was like they're like, why do you sell your gun at this price when competitors sell at this price? And he's like because they want to make a lot of money? He's just like calling out facts. He's like we sell at our price because we believe that's the price that we can afford the cost of like manufacturing to get it into people's hands. And he went into like. He went into some numbers of like. He's like yeah, so that line, no profit. We literally sold it for what it costs. And it was just like what? Yeah, he's. They sold their lowers. They produced an insane amount of lowers on the front end of COVID. And then COVID happened in like there was a bunch of like firearm policy stuff about like perhaps lower cost or lowers being banned. You know 80s, 80 percent build guns when buying those coming to office and they're just like. So what do we do with all these? Do we just try to like, sell them up on like like, upcharge them and just try to make whatever? money you can here wave, or or do we just keep them as cheap as possible, get them out so that way someone's like well, I got three lowers now.
Speaker 3:I could build out my gun.
Speaker 1:And so you know that's what they did. And so they like, for like four years they took a loss on every 80 percent lower they sold. But they say, like from the way they sold their other parts because people would get those lowers and like, all right, well, I'll just build it out to be a you know whatever, I'll just buy my parts from PSA. You know that's where their profit came back. But it was a long haul and there's times where it wasn't like it was very unprofitable for like how much they were losing on the lowers and I just I love PSA for that dude.
Speaker 2:Like that is that is like so patriotic man.
Speaker 1:That's like. So like customer minded.
Speaker 2:And it's like. It's like, is it the best? No, also, will it send something very quickly Downrange?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and a long distance, but I mean also, too, like my biggest thing, like when I lowers are one of those things of like, why, like, why would you pay $300 for a lower?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, especially like when I found out that Anderson manufacturing made just about every like companies lower. Yeah, Before, like kind of the industry caught on and they started making their own Like. For a while there don't quote me on it but Anderson made like all of Springfield's lowers, all of Smith and Wessons, all of Daniel Defenses, up until all those places started doing their like, own like labeled. I think Daniel was making their own, no no, no, dude, Really, yeah, for a long time they were like doing like like Anderson was just like making everyone's and there's, there's a magical word now.
Speaker 2:It's called seracote. Yeah, you know, yeah, which?
Speaker 3:actually that was. That was one of our biggest connections at the show. We're talking to seracote to start seracoting our tents. Well, wait, how does?
Speaker 1:that work. How do you seracote a tent?
Speaker 3:Well, you're not seracoting fabric, but the show aluminum, hard shells and dude. I will say the company seracote is incredibly impressive and their product is impressive. Their business model is impressive. Their team was impressive and they've got some really cool stuff coming out, and I talked to them for a while because we'll probably try and implement some of their coding like technology. Basically, what you can do is you can buy their technology and their coatings and put them in your factories and they'll show you how to use it and you can start to utilize it on your products, and so that's why everybody uses them.
Speaker 2:That's when you know you've made it. When you're selling to the sellers, you know, like Gore-Tex and stuff you don't buy from Gore-Tex yeah, you buy Gore-Tex Jacket from you.
Speaker 3:buy it from everyone else that uses Gore-Tex.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so awesome seracoat, yeah, and it's a branding.
Speaker 3:It's a branding Whenever you see someone that has seracoat on it.
Speaker 2:You're like yeah, this is legit. I'll pay 80 to 300% more if it's OD green Pre-seracoted.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so seraco guys.
Speaker 3:shout out to them. They were really cool, Great dudes. As far as booth spaces go, man, I had a really impressive time at the Chris Vector booth. What else do they?
Speaker 1:have other than the Vector, different models of Vector, the same thing they've been doing for the last two years.
Speaker 3:Have you held a Chris Vector before? I've held one.
Speaker 1:I've never shot one, yeah, but I had never even held one before and yeah, it is cool.
Speaker 2:They've got a fucking lot of them at the booth. For our listeners out there. And Pat, what is a Chris Vector? I feel like I might know if I'm refreshed. How would you describe the way it?
Speaker 1:looks. First of all, what is it? It's a while. Originally it was a submachine gun designed to essentially replace a lot of the more outdated submachine gun designs. The recoil system on the Chris Vector is like really impressive. They created a downward curving recoil rod, like a slight curve, and it goes from where. So your finger and trigger is behind the mag, while the mag is a stick mag usually 45 or 9mm Glock mags and that stick mag goes in front and when you pull the trigger the bolt recoils down, not into the stock, because the stocks are all folding based, but it curves downward in front of the grip and so the recoil management is unique. But it allows a lot of and this is why it doesn't make sense for like a civilian use. Really Well, I'm not saying that like you shouldn't own one you free to own whatever you want, but when it's in full auto, the way the recoil pattern is described when people have shot it I've never shot a full auto right, but from just what I've seen, people describe it as like your MP5 recoil is very circular because of the delayed rollback of the bolt and so it's not up and it's not to the side. It's very circular. The crisp vector is almost more like your contraction of muscles. Just holding it up against its own weight Is the resistance. Is the resistance it needs just to keep it on target and it has this weird like it doesn't buck. But it has this weird kind of like pull down on your backhand from that recoil but it's not enough to like seriously kill her, like seesaw your point of aim and it's very easy to maintain on target at full auto. That said, I've heard back in the day there was like reliability issues because of like the springs, a lot of like the MPX stuff. I don't know if you guys saw in the early days of the MPX from SIG springs would split out this back side of the bolt. So I'm sure they've worked that all out now, but it was one of those things of like it just never really took off the way I thought it was going to.
Speaker 3:Definitely became a bigger gun in video games than it did in real life, yeah, and I'd say that's where a lot of the popularity came from. And for me in particular, I was like I've never even held one of these before so cool. And when they've got a lot of essentially the same gun or just different models of the same gun, like all across a booth and they've got like sales people walking around, it was pretty cool. I could just say it was just, it was just sick, yeah.
Speaker 1:And they've got some really cool stuff there you get to look at any of the sites, because one thing I've been wondering I hear the talk is the Hollison. It's a, it's a whole, not a holographic, but it's essentially the frame of a red dot that allows night vision and it's like it's electrical night vision right, yeah, so it's delayed, but it's really not, and it's like literally a night vision red dot in the compact size of, like most enclosed emitters and everyone is saying it's like define logic for what night vision sites should be on fire.
Speaker 3:I thought it was like a projector of some sort. Am I wrong about?
Speaker 1:that I don't know. I've never seen it in person. I've just heard of all the buzz around it.
Speaker 2:It's so impressive, so you're not saying you're not saying I are capable.
Speaker 1:No, it is.
Speaker 2:When? Well, not like everybody makes I are capable, like right, but when, when you look through this window of basically a red dot or holographic frame inside the frame you're seeing Inside the frame. Something illuminated.
Speaker 1:It's green and everyone is in it, like it's using night vision and it's not blown out in broad daylight, like like analog phosphorus tubes would be right, and it also apparently, like the higher end version of the model allows for like night vision. So like everything around is green, but also combined with thermal. So like a person or anything that's warm at a certain temperature is colored like orange or yellowish, whereas everything else is like this, like cool green tone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, if you, if someone's just been cooking.
Speaker 1:It's got to read your, read, your certain temperature. I don't really know, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's got to be some freaking proprietary technology.
Speaker 1:All I'm saying is I'm a big hallucin fan. Did you get to go to buy their booth? You see anything?
Speaker 3:I saw the booth, I did not go into it, and this is something that I'm like.
Speaker 1:I heard there's a thousand people around it at all times, Dude it's just the way a lot of booths were, to be honest, the big company names were just like getting smart.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I mean, the, the smart companies had some really interactive booths and it's not just like, oh, I get to pick up this gun and feel it in my hands for the first time. It was like, it was more of interaction, like I, I'm a big bench made guy, so I went by the bench made booth and two things that they had going on that were really cool was one they just kind of they just released their like their cutlery line and so they had a guy doing like a, basically like a. He was a professional shipper, like fishermen, and he was like cutting open a fish and doing like a glass that he was. Yeah, that he was, that he had used these knives were, and like what he thought about their knives and what was most important to him when he was doing knives, when he was fishing, um, and it's like very interactive. You get people on the loudspeaker, so you've got this big crowd of people coming around, but on the other side of the booth, if you had a bench made knife, you could bring it by and they would, uh, they would clean it, sharpen it and do any repairs on it that you do, and they had a waitlist, so you drop your knife off, you come pick it up at the end of the day. I should have done it. I didn't, um, but it's like you have you like have these craftsmen just sitting there at their desk like doing their craft and, um, you can watch them if you want to. So like, in my opinion, like that's a very interactive booth that you have people sitting around watching whatever you're doing. Um, and there weren't a lot of those booths, but there were some that people were just generally more attracted to. Um, christians and arms had a had a massive booth.
Speaker 1:Dude, I heard, I heard Christians and arms like balls out at shot. Absolutely, absolutely Um silencer 22 long range sniper rifle, like long range marksman rifle, is five grand.
Speaker 3:I guess you can't, you know yeah, yeah, uh, silencer co had a really good booth. Um, there's pretty impressive. Um, dead air was fairly close to us and, um, I know, uh, one of our owners fantastic guys, really cool booth. They had Pharaoh concepts right next to them, which was, uh, and from a marketing standpoint, very impressive, because if you walked into the Pharaoh concepts booth I could not find a single person that worked there, but there were like 80 people standing in their booth drinking beer, and that's because, like, at the end of the day, they're like serving beer and there's all these people hanging out there in their booth and like there are big marketing companies. You've got these, like all these dudes that look like they're operators just sitting in the booth and you're like I almost want to look at these products, but I actually can't because no one here is, and no one here seems to work here at all. So I was like, yeah, they just had some. Really, there's some cool stuff and the products they were awesome. Um, it's a very I'm glad I'm not in the firearm space because that is a very, very competitive space and, um, yeah, a lot of small stuff.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's competitive in regards to like, yeah, everyone's making an AR-15. Everyone's making a striker fired semi-auto handgun, but like I don't know. I mean, I feel like the firearm space is one of those things of like. Every year I see innovation succeed. You know, I see innovation like blossom and like someone's like yeah, we tried this crazy ass thing and it's sick and here I want to show you. And then, like I think a good one is like the Hudson H9, I don't know, five years ago, slower borax, this recoiling 1911 based design. It looks pretty futuristic, slash, vintage at the same time. It ended up, when it went to production, having some reliability issues and parts were really limited and uh, but like the theory of like this lower, like if the guide rod is lower, you know, if you're holding a standard handgun out and the recoil spring and guide rod is, rather than being just above your index finger for the trigger, it's below it the feeling of recoil is less up and back and more just into your wrist. And uh, it worked. Everyone who had one said like, oh yeah, no, it works, it shoots so flat. And but the company went out of business because they couldn't, they didn't have the means to maintain the demand for like repairs and all that and they eat so much costs doing repair stuff from people sending stuff in. Daniel Defense bought them. And now to Daniel Defense's credit there they have it listed as like the Daniel Defense H9. You know, it's still to be like reference to Hudson.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and their design it's a little bit updated but it's like because of their manufacturing, their quality, like no issues Everyone's talking about, everyone's been shooting it and they're like it was great and like that. That thing is out now. It's probably going to be getting in holster soon. It's probably going to be getting a wider adoption, way more like critical testing and review, just because of availability and because of the brand name assigned to it and hopefully an innovation across the industry in regards to like just like improving recoil management and semi auto handguns, improving a 1911 design to be not just modern but also like relevant with like modern technology. Right, it's so like I and I think the firearms industry does that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you see, you see the goofy stuff.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you guys seen it. Like someone like at like a bullpup AK kit that has no butt plate or stock, like you just literally put the receiver of the AK in your shoulder and the magazine here, but like the bullpup, as your front is like, yeah, you can do it and it's just like. This is like, oh damn, this thing looks sketched but it puts a full AK in like bullpup configuration, which is pretty sick. And yeah, is it going to need some refinement? Yeah, is this like you know LSD fever dream of some a clash Running off guys? Sure, but it's innovation and it's cool. Yeah, and they can do it in their garage and then they can take it out to shot show or whatever and people can see it. And so in like maybe I guest, you're onto something here. I want to buy it.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And the coolest thing is like, after they debuted that, like it was like a two weeks later you could see people in Ukraine using it and it was like. It was like oh yeah, right.
Speaker 2:These breeds adopted, that this nobody took it I do wonder about. For the companies like that, how many companies Now maybe you saw a couple walking around like are just Betting the farm on a shot show? Yeah, a lot like small companies, kind of mom and poppy. They have a cool idea and they're just like all right, we're gonna buy the booth this year, yeah, and in Booster they're expensive and it is a massive investment.
Speaker 3:One thing I noticed that I would say is pretty common was you. You get larger companies that have DoD contracts and they're like fine-tuning things but they're not thinking Innovatively, in much like more broad sense, and so they're. They're fairly stagnant because they've got money flowing, they got, they got doD contracts coming in don't run a good thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's that every day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's some like really, it's very, very understandable. But that also leaves space for smaller guys who come in, and I think a lot of these guys that I see are typically Engineers. They come in because they're like I am not going to just change something small about what's currently being done, but I'm gonna change something major because I see something like being good can be done differently, and you see a lot of those guys there. I talked to one company. Anything was blackout defense. They had a, an AR platform where they had like a. It was essentially like a tapered, tapered barrel One. They had some interesting materials at the base of the barrel that dissipate heat faster, but they also have a Design at the front of the barrel that allows it to not be pinned but stay in place. And so they've got a lot of former operators using their guns because they're not Former operators have can be a little more risky about the stuff that they're using because there's no risk anymore. They're like I want some new cool shit and I've used a lot of stuff, so I'm down to kind of test out some things and try it and For them it's like these guys were just engineers and that was what they were doing and there was like we, we saw something, we pursued it and we're hoping that in the next, we think that, like in the next couple years, will like make it big, basically because we're kind of just starting out with this and that they weren't necessarily starting out, but they were like really like making a name for themselves. They're like maybe a year into having a name in the industry. So they had some really cool and there's just those people all over the place that are doing that and those are maybe where you find the most intriguing things. In firearms itself, there's not in the larger companies. There's not gonna be a lot of leaps and bounds like in technology. Yeah, in Sites, like you'd said, like you're gonna find a lot. There's a lot of room to grow in optics, but in firearms themselves, like a lot of the platforms have already been made and so it's just kind of minor changes on the same platform. So you got a dig to find some really cool stuff, but for the most part it's like you're just excited to see some really big companies that are they've been doing stuff pretty well for a long time anything that you saw, dean, and with your frame of mindset of like you know what you can forward, you know what's realistic, anything you see, you're just like that's stupid.
Speaker 1:That is Like these people are idiots. You should fire. Whoever thought that this, like this, was a good product at this price point, like and I think a big one I see every year come out of Shaw Show, is the optics companies. Yeah someone on the optics companies like look at this new optic and you're looking at it and they're going through its features in here. Like so it's a vortex that's three thousand dollars. And like, okay, why would I just get the vortex one to six strike eagle for four hundred dollars if it's the same?
Speaker 2:thing. The other one too for me, which maybe, maybe it's totally applicable to something, but like tactical shotguns Going way beyond, like like, are you bad to?
Speaker 1:dole, he's already out there. Let's just hit on my barretta 13-1 right now. Doc, I'm about to get real violent. No, no.
Speaker 2:But like this is stuff out there. It's like it's like seven G's, oh you know, like super crazy, wild stuff. It's like are you trying to like terminator? You try to actually have something that's functional. Sure, because it'd be like, listen, a shotgun. Either one, you should shoot birds with it, so you put a really long barrel on it and you make it, you know, light and where it's Very accurate. Or two, you get that thing as short as legally possible and get a lot of rounds in it. Right, like that's basically, if, like, there's not like a lot like Compared to precision AR shooting.
Speaker 3:Oh sure, what are you really gonna do?
Speaker 2:you do a shotgun, I mean yeah, how much more can you tack it out? Right, yeah, so yeah, like you're saying something like a vortex site you could get for three to five hundred dollars, but with a great warranty, but no, that's three grand. Or also, like you know, terminator shotgun, yeah, yeah so a couple things.
Speaker 3:One I want to ask, like Mick, in your, your time, of a good scope of the sheriff's department Is there a really good?
Speaker 1:I mean, there's a lot of great scopes out there.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm meaning the realm of shotguns, like is there like a really big space?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, okay. So I would say and I thought you said scopes at first in the in your scope, oh, in my scope of understanding yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, okay. So shotguns, I mean, the way I see it is like most departments still haven't switched over to a semi-auto shotgun. In fact, they removed most shotguns from cruisers. So really, the only time you're often gonna see a shotgun and law enforcement stuff is when it's non-lethal beanbag or when they're like SWAT team breaching, and at that point, yeah, that was my thought breaching is like what you use to breach in with the SWAT team is not a shotgun you use for personal defense, like it. That shotgun is so gripped and short it was in well, in a streamline to shoot frangible rounds and like those. Yeah sure, if you shoot someone in the head at close range it's gonna kill him, but like no way. Oh yeah, dude, oh yeah. But if you shoot someone at like you know 15 feet and they're like wearing a car heart, it's just gonna hurt, you know, I mean, but like. So I said like I Think the shotgun realm is actually moved out of law enforcement into what's realistic for civilians.
Speaker 3:I can imagine it was more of a breaching scene or like for breaching purposes than anything in something, something to know that with shacho that I've seen in a lot of other shows is there's like man. I don't want to say invasion, but like invasion of a lot of like small Asian manufacturers that are like this is our shot to make it like to come in here with something quote-unquote new the the red dot episode. Yes, yeah, and it's, it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not something new. It's actually a copy, but it's like these people managed to get a booth, yeah, and they're there.
Speaker 3:That happens a lot. One thing that shacho is like doing well is there's a wait list to get in and it's expensive, so that goes pretty well for them to kind of prevent that from happening? But, Were you saying something about a shotgun you saw there.
Speaker 2:When you, when you asked him about law enforcement, shotgun experience there, there was like a handful of company, like foreign companies, that were making kind of like.
Speaker 3:Benelli style. Oh, the Turkish Benelli clones. Yes, that was exactly what the booth.
Speaker 1:I was right next to was a Turkish, turkish Benelli shotgun.
Speaker 3:I don't know anyone who's. I don't know of any agency that uses those, yeah. So they were really cheap and I looked at I was like I don't know if any agency that uses those. Yeah. So they were really cheap. And I looked at, I was like, I looked at, I was like Might buy one. I was like $69. It was like, it was like in like the four to six hundred range, but they're not only for 420.
Speaker 1:No, he was the biggest thing I've heard about the Turkish shotguns is like how many rounds do you put through your shotgun in a year? Yeah, it's like if you're not out there actually doing drills or practicing or doing some serious national pheasant hunting, like you know, going across the country to hunt birds. They'll be fine but like the lifetime round count on those shotguns is about 500 rounds. Yeah, and those shotguns are fried but like I don't know anyone that I've gone and shot with personally that I have seen come close to that many rounds, Right Of a shot Like even within a year of like you know what I mean. Like I think a lot of people get those and they're totally fine. And they think they're totally fine. They're like, oh man, I've never had any issues Like well, because who never use it? Do you shoot 500 rounds within a real like in within a noticeable time period? Yeah, or shot, or are you just more likely to fire like? Honestly, I would have waged your majority of Americans fire about? If they own a shotgun, they fire it about 20 rounds through a year.
Speaker 3:Right. My initial thought was keep in mind. I'm like 10 feet away from these people. So, I'm staring at their guns most of the day, all week long, and I also my primary, like full size. Handgun at the range is a canik, which is a Turkish way, and they're nothing wrong with that bro, right, right, right. It's all like Turkey Springfield. Don't want a minute.
Speaker 1:Springfield's gun, their handguns, all the XDs made in Croatia.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll say this. I saw someone was showing at Shacho. They had their table out showing their browning high powers. I was like, oh Christ, Like that's not the gun that won World War Two I get there's like a thousand people who buy one every year.
Speaker 2:I want one.
Speaker 1:Sure, I'm not going to say no to a free one, but am I going to spend three grand for the like, tailored, clean, custom one?
Speaker 2:Yeah, am I going to carry it every day? No, I'm going to show people be like, check it out.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pull it out of the drawer when the FBI come for me here. This is my gun.
Speaker 3:It's like that's, that's actually what I was going to say. It's just like these, these old timey guns that have these like the flood boys and gravings on the side and I'm like does you're never going to shoot this. Does anyone think it's cool?
Speaker 2:Does High Point have a booth at Shacho? That's what I want to know. Are they still around?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they just released the yeet cannon.
Speaker 2:Is it what it's called?
Speaker 1:Dude, they put it up to a poll to be named and everyone like vote yeet cannon. Yeah everyone voted yeet cannon. They're like I boys, you thought we wouldn't and they released the yeet cannon.
Speaker 3:It's got. It's got an optic cut, it's got a threaded barrel.
Speaker 1:What In case you want to put an oil kit, because there ain't no way you're buying a suppressor to put on your is it still a classic, like you know round?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Shape is just a high point. What do you want from me? You want me to like send you a screenshot. No, I just pull it up, pull it up.
Speaker 2:Okay, the yeet cannon. Yeet, that's what you say when you use it. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, all right but, dean, dumbest thing you saw at Shacho, that was dumbest thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and this is probably primarily based on personal taste, but when, when I see a lot of these like old timey revolvers or or rifles that are have like these really intricate engravings on the side are wild, just designs I'm like, is any, is anybody coming by to hold this? Or look at this that is under the age of 75? And maybe there is.
Speaker 1:I could be, I could be absolutely wrong and I'm totally willing to admit that and but someone out there is saying hey, yeah, I'm 75 and I have a lot of money to spend, and, whether or not on YouTube, they're not on.
Speaker 3:YouTube. So I, just for me, there are. So maybe that is the taste that you acquire after you've bought so much or you've funneled so much money into weaponry that you just you now have this next level artist. Yeah it's just, it's like an acquired taste after such long last time, that's quite possible, but for me, when there's like 10 things on the list to buy before I even consider something like that to be attractive, I'm like what the fuck is this doing here? Yeah, so that's to me. And those things are also wildly expensive too, you know, and that's I think that's why that particular group of guys like those guns is, because they're expensive statement it is a statement and it's never going to get shot and it's hanging on a wall in some glass.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Or in a case of true, True, I will say this. This is going to hurt some people's feelings. I've never gone over to the homie's house in there. They're like check out my brand AR 15. Like tight Does the same thing. All of our other ones it does right. Like like I've been to places where, like someone's like yes, this is my precision 2000 yard sub MOA. Like 6.5 creed more, custom built. You know it's made by like 15 different brands. I assembled it and, you know, had a gunsmith's work on it. I'm like this is cool, this is cool. And they're like yeah, it like cost me about $3,000 for parts, about another 1500 for labor, but retail wise this would go for about 12 grand. I'm like this is super cool. Like this thing does what he's saying. Like it's going to shoot smaller than a quarter grouping at 2000 yards tight. That's cool. That's cool. If it's worth it to him for the money, that's awesome. Like so many people like I can't tell you there are tons of people like they just got their safe queen and it's just like a Daniel defense 80m for like tight brawl. Does it feel good spending that money on that when you could have just built your own? I don't know, Not dissing on them for having it, but it's like one of those things of just like. No one's impressed by that and I think the, the boomer generation, is the same thing of like. Yeah, yeah, here's my like, genuine, I don't know, pick a, pick a brand 1911, based off of the GI Commando. It's right, it was too grand and you're like right, please tell me it's a double stack. Like nope, single stack, seven rounds.
Speaker 2:You're like oh, God and it's like, was that a real one? Because then that's cool, was it Was?
Speaker 1:it Did that kill Nazis. Yeah, no it's a replica. Yeah, okay All right my father in law has got some really sick M ones grants that for his shizzle killed people. They're like he's he's restored them because just because the stocks needed to be taken care of. But he's restored them and he probably will never like try to sell them for like collector's value, because you know so much of that stamping and lore is in the stocks in the for grip right in the frame. So, like all I said, though he's got a lot of stamps on the receiver and stuff, still he's like I love these because I like I can tell where they went and when they went there and it's different, though it is, that's different right. That's a. That's a there's a story behind a piece of the moon.
Speaker 3:There's history behind the gun.
Speaker 1:Yeah more artifact, but like when homies are like I dropped 15k on this AR 15. I'm like that's cool, that it like is heated so you can hold it longer when you're shooting coyotes, but you mind that You've never got out of the coyote with that but a lot of these to me.
Speaker 3:A gun is supposed to be used and abused, and used a lot, and trained with and I this is just where I'm at in my gun journey. I can totally acknowledge that people are far beyond that, but Pat is sweating over here Just like it's like for me, I'm still at the point where everything that I buy gets used, and abused.
Speaker 1:Dude, I get upset if it doesn't come with. What's the term for if it has? If it comes from the factory with some like scratches on it, like a scratch and get sale, yeah, like I get pissed. If it comes in, it looks all perfect. Damn it yeah everyone's going to know is fresh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I want you to just pull out your knife.
Speaker 1:All my stuff looks like it got dropped in the same. Because I do, I literally will do like drop in, like just test quality or like drills with like oh, what if I? What if I got sideswiped and my gun literally is like on the ground? How quickly can I get to that gun and put it in operation?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for me it's. It's like I'm in both camps, but on the.
Speaker 1:I feel like you're coming to the collector camp.
Speaker 2:I feel like you're on the cusp of getting there in your life because here's, here's what I'm saying on both camps would be this there's guns for utility, utility, range training, all that stuff, and there's also guns where you're just like, yeah, this was from World War Two, it's super cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The in between stuff Not so cool, you know. I mean it can be and it can be cool, but like if you make sense to buy. if you're, if you're spending astronomical prices for it, it should either be like the best functioning utility thing you've ever had or it should hold like really cool sentimental and or historical value. Yeah Right, so that you know that's what I'm saying, like I can appreciate both sides of it, you know. So it's like if someone pulls it, you know, you know, colt 45, 1911, out of their case, you know, and it's like this was my granddad's.
Speaker 1:we're like, okay, that's one way more respect for that, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen, right.
Speaker 3:Very, very similar, can I?
Speaker 2:touch it. And then on the other side, you're like the guys with this Caltech. He's like I've sent like 80,000 rounds through the same, not that it could handle that. But you know they're like. I use it, I train with it every day and it's for, it's for using right.
Speaker 1:I definitely killed a man with this Celtic through it in the East River, went back a year later, pulled it out, killed another man. I just do, I just repeat. I just repeat once a year now and it's like it still works. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, I can appreciate it too, like, for example, I have my grandpa's. My grandpa was a World War II vet. He was in the LAPD for like 30 years.
Speaker 1:Oh, bad ass and.
Speaker 3:I. He lived with us for probably 10 years before he passed, but I still have his old spring, his old Springfield 1911, 45. That's cool. How much Right now Give me a number yeah, I've shot it a handful of times actually, Because when I pulled it out of the case it'd probably been shot a couple of times, but it was very, very clean and I was like dude. My grandpa started a lot of gun clubs and he loved just ripping around through his guns. I was like I'm going to go shoot this, yeah, but that's like. I'm like am I going to carry this gun?
Speaker 1:No, but am I going to enjoy it? Are the pop lips? Hell yeah, is it dude carve into it?
Speaker 3:pops, the mags, the mags. Coming out of this thing feel like sandpaper, but is it? Is it awesome?
Speaker 2:It holds three and a half rounds.
Speaker 3:It's so, it's so much fun. But it's like, yeah, to me it's like it's my grandpa's gun, like I enjoy having this thing.
Speaker 1:And then somewhere in between all that is AR 15s with wood furniture. I'm still not sure.
Speaker 3:We're still trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1:I'm still trying to feel if I want that or not. You shut up. You haven't seen it. I don't want. You haven't seen it. You don't know what you're missing.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:Anyways, I guess, to wrap this up, I really been wanting to wrap this. I've been looking for it all week to do this and, pat, you'll just have to, when we post this on YouTube, give them a clip of this so that way they can see the beautiful video that it is. But Dean, a good old buddy of ours, sent this to me Dukas, okay, and I'm going to play it for you all here and I'll turn the laptop around so you guys can see Sexual content. I literally I gosh. I hope you find it as funny as I did. I was on the toilet pooping when I opened this up. Make sure you and I emptied my bowels in a split second laughing so hard. Hey, alexa, I want you to f**king fart for me. I think you just whispered to me. From now on, when you whisper, I will whisper back. Oh, you're a dirty b**ch.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, oh my God.
Speaker 2:Alexa, I'd rather fart for me. Okay, here's big fart. Oh sh**.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, give me another one, come on.
Speaker 3:It's like she sh** her pants, dude.
Speaker 1:You're like broke character.
Speaker 2:Anyways, anyways, that's what I texted you. He broke character into that one.
Speaker 1:Thanks for joining us, kid Dean. Thanks for joining us again Thanks for having me Until next time.