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The Mick & Pat Show - Summer Night Check In
June 25, 2024

The Mick & Pat Show - Summer Night Check In

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Season 2

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Join us as we laugh through our sweaty recording session in the Mick and Pat World Headquarters, with no air conditioning, and delve into Joe Rogan's extreme lifestyle choices like ice baths and hot yoga. We reflect on how significant life changes, like parenthood or running a business, can fundamentally shift our perspectives.

Ever wondered how classic literature can turn the mundane into the profound? We challenge the conventional narrative structures taught in schools and share how great authors achieve this magic. Audiobooks come into play, enriching our experiences and providing a fresh lens through which to revisit these timeless works. Plus, we share some laughs reminiscing about the less-than-stellar books from our required reading lists.

Switching gears to the practical side of life, we dive into the financial and strategic planning involved in transitioning from renting to homeownership. From comparing rental costs to mortgage expenses, to securing favorable mortgage rates, we cover it all. We also discuss the upcoming transfer of wealth from the baby boomer generation, presenting unique opportunities for younger generations. With a blend of personal growth, literary exploration, and practical advice, this episode is packed with insights and humor.

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Chapters

00:00 - Reflections on Changing Perspectives

07:22 - Exploring Complexity in Classic Literature

11:56 - Firearm Accessories and Chassis Innovation

24:39 - Firearm Brace Evaluation and Use

37:19 - Discussion on Mike Glover's Legal Situation

44:01 - Dissecting a Legal Situation

57:51 - Meme Culture and Legal Implications

01:07:21 - Navigating Family Dynamics and Homeownership

01:16:28 - Homeownership Budgeting and Mortgage Shopping

01:27:45 - Perspective on Home Aesthetics and Expectations

01:30:44 - Paths to Homeownership and Financial Growth

01:42:46 - Late-Night Zen and Health Conversations

01:47:42 - Nicotine Pouch Alternatives Discussion

Transcript
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I just had two and a half beers on Sunday night after we moved a ton of our stuff in, and I just felt poisoned the next morning, bro, like I woke up and I was just like, oh my gosh, like not even hungover but just like, oh yeah, gross, warm, kind of feverish almost, and I'm just like it's crazy how, if you, as soon as you stop like, as soon as you stop having it nightly and even moderately nightly or whatever it's like the whole body, where you like, just reorganizes itself in it, like the way it processes that stuff, it re-recognizes it as poison yeah, because now, like I did, I'm just like I did that and I was like, oh, I can't do that again, man, I'd like I gotta pace it out, like give it more time feverishly and sweaty is the feeling I have right now, at this very moment, because we're coming to you, live At the moment.

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We're live when you're listening to this.

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It might not be live, this might be 400 years in the future, but at the moment we're live from the Mick and Pat World Headquarters in the underground, in the loft, sweating bees, because it's summertime.

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It is, it's summertime and Pat is not shelled out for an air conditioner.

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That's all right, though I don't expect it when I come here.

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I just expect you to let me complain.

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I think my makeshift airflow thing right now is not helping.

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Has it gotten hotter since I did that?

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I don't know bro, I don't know Is it in my head.

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I'm just trying not to think about it.

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I'm just trying not to think about it.

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I'm just trying to chill, joe Rogan should be in the corner doing his hot yoga routine, sweating with his crazy eyes in his little tight semi-European bathing suit.

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Are you talking like the one that he wears, that's, an upper torso and lower torso bathing suit?

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No, not like a 1920s bathing suit.

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But there's this one video of him getting in an ice bath and it's so funny cause, like I mean the dude, like he's not really trying to, but like it's just full imprinting his junk his nutso's, yeah, and I guess the man's got, uh, he's got the business, does he Like?

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The comment section from the females was out of hand it was out of hand.

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That's funny, bro.

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Don't say that I don't like.

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Five female listeners are going to go look up Joe Rogan.

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I know Getting Joe Rogan Ice bathing.

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Ice bathing, yeah, and anyways the man's, he's not regulated, he has to regulate himself.

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On the extremes you know ice bathing, hot yoga trips with frog venom that make you have death experiences but hey, he has been like the most sane voice in America for a long time, in a lot of cases too, so I don't know what the deal is.

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Well, okay, all right, let's just be easy.

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The most sane voice in america for a long time, in a lot of cases too.

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So I don't know the most sane voice.

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I'd say the most if you had like a.

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Don't forget that like just it was like only a couple years ago, joe rogan was like we should get rid of all guns.

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I know.

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But what I'm saying, I'd say the most listened like, like influence, listened to influence and like yeah, that's pretty like, based like sure, if you join those together, I mean, I think it's.

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I think he's changed a lot over time, right he's?

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definitely.

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It's funny now how he's like a 45 year old man talking, not a 29 year old man talking about like things and oh yeah, your tune changes.

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It's funny how people say like people say, when you have kids, there's a good chance you might become a little more conservative.

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Yeah, like things like that or whatever you know it's like.

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Or if you become like a business owner, you might become a little more conservative or you know you just you have all these different thoughts about the other side, whether it's liberal or conservative, and you're like like I know for him a big thing.

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He was like, ah, dude, I just Texas is full of a bunch of super far right crazies.

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And he moved to Texas and everyone was like no one cares if you smoke a J dude.

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No one gives a dude two shits.

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And like he was like okay, wait a second.

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Wait a second Like you can see that he realized he was like okay, I'm actually way more conservative than I thought I was, you know.

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And I'd say too, it's not always a swing from the left to the right, but it is also, in general, like a more broadening of your view and like and or being less hardline.

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There's certain things you get more hardline about and other things you care less about.

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So it's like if it's a you know, yeah, just in general, it's just like you have less.

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There's certain things that you really do care about and you want to instill that in your kids, the people around you, your circle of influence.

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Then there's other things that you're like nah, it's not as big of a deal to me as, like I used to die on this hill over.

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You kind of start shifting, hmm.

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Well, welcome, welcome, ken, to the Mickey Pass Show.

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I'm Mick and I'm Pat and it's been a hot minute since we've been able to record.

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Our lives have been very, very busy and you know it's just good to sit down and be able to get back to basics here with one another.

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We hope all of you have been doing good.

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You know, before we forget, we're just going to remind you that you can always reach out to us on the YouTube channel, like, comment, subscribe, let us know how we're doing, dislike, do anything you want, as long as it's interacting.

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We love to.

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You know, just have an interaction, uh, with our fans and listeners out there.

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Uh, you can send us fan mail, by the way, now, um, and it's like fan email and all that stuff through, um, our websites and, as well, you know the usual voicemail stuff, um, check out our sponsors, uh, trinity, freedom, lawirm, podpage, all that stuff.

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Check out Audible, because Pat and I have been on a pretty big book grind lately and I got to say man East of Eden changed me.

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That had more of a profound impact on me than I think any other book I've read outside of the word of God.

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Wow, what, what do you?

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I I'm pretty much in agreeance really in that.

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Yeah, I mean, like you know, just it's uh, it.

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It's one of those great authors do this thing where they dive into a story that really doesn't have much of a story comparatively to comparatively to like how we are used to now.

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This like perfect story arc, action, packed things, a perfect to resolve, and like in your, you know, eighth grade language arts class.

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You learn, you know, you have the introduction of the protagonist and then you have.

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You know the rise, and then you have, you know, oh, you know, all the different parts of that literature story.

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You know all the reaching up to rising action, climax, resolving action and resolve.

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You know right conclusion it's in this wave, yeah, you know, and so the.

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Uh, then certain authors, they just they're able to do this thing, where they take you on this journey.

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That's like so mundane.

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It can be very mundane at the same time.

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Could have been the story of 10 000 different families you know I mean, it was so, so mundane that was on the premise.

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Oh, yeah, for sure.

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And so I think that, like the, because we're gonna get into this, because we're gonna do a big old long gotta do a dog ear dialogues for this one podcast.

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It's just entirely too long.

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It's gonna be so long.

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Yeah, we gotta do so, I think that we gotta do four parts, one for each part of the novel.

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Yeah, you know what I mean, just because it's it is massive, but it's like it's.

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What's weird is that like it's less hours than, uh, lonesome dove yeah, which I, I know we owe it to our fans to do a lot of dove dogger dialogues but it's less hours than that.

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But it does feel like there's way more character, like I don't know, like there's just more details about the characters to flesh out and dive into and like the allegories of them.

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It is kind of an Epic in the way it.

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You know it does bring in characters, close out characters and stuff.

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You gotta, you gotta treat each thing um with.

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Uh, you know what the author intended in his full scope of it and there's very like, very simple concepts in it that take a whole lifetime to understand.

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If oh yeah, so I'm excited to get into that because I think that it was uh, it was a great book, um totally came out left field for me, man, I just downloaded it because I've like, yeah, steinbeck, he's a classic.

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I just started listening to it one day when I was like I gotta, I gotta put a book on while I'm hopping in my shower.

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I can't take a shower without listening to an audiobook and so I was like I guess I'll start this one and see.

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And I just like in that shower, the first 15 minutes I was like this is gonna be a good book.

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I can tell right now this is gonna be a great book.

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Yeah, anyways, I don't want to get too stuck on it, but that's my plug for audible.

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Yeah, right, check out audible.

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We got our link, get your free 30 day trial and all that and I'll say this too if you're one of those people who always says like, people ask like hey, do you read the books?

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Or read this book, and they're like I'm not a reader, listen, you don't have an excuse anymore.

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Do you spend, do you shower, do you drive your car, do you do anything by yourself?

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do you go to bed?

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Do you need something to silence those thoughts at night?

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exactly.

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Some of these books might not help you silence them isabella did for me it was so easy to fall asleep to richard poe narrating.

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He's got a great voice.

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He's got a great voice, the uh, and so you don't have an excuse anymore audible, get it.

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Listen to books.

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And because here's the deal, uh, all those like um reading lists from elementary, middle school, high school, all the ones that I pretended to read and spark noted.

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Here's the deal, uh, all those like um reading lists from elementary, middle school, high school, all the ones that I pretended to read and spark noted.

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I shorted myself, I did not take the benefit of them that I could have had True Younger Now also.

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At the same time, I might not have been able to have the same perspective as I do now.

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And also, at the same time, some of those books suck.

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I don't care who you are, I'm going to say it.

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Can't remember the name of the book.

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It sucked the one that Leonardo Craig Gatsby Dude.

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That book sucked.

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I don't care what anyone says, that is not a good book.

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It's brutal.

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It's brutal, it sucks.

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And so what you got to do is revisit some of these things, because there's gems in there too.

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Yeah, there's gems that you can uncover, and instead of doing whatever it is, you do doom scrolling.

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You know, stop checking your phone at the stoplight.

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Guess what you don't do at the stoplight if you're listening to a book?

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True, you don't check your phone.

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You know what you do.

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Do, though, if you're stopped at a stoplight listening to east of eden, wipe your eyes because you've been crying, uh.

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Anyways though, uh check them out.

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I personally have just gone into long range shooting.

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You know we talked about our, our, uh, um, firearms that we want to get and stuff, because I just bought a 308 ar-10 and I put that primary arms optic on there, dude, and everyone who I've let shoot that gun says it's the clearest glass that they've looked through.

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Oh, yeah and um, it's great.

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You know it's only a one to eight x, but I've been able to punch out to 300 yards with it and, like you know, keep all my I'm.

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I'm an amateur long range shooter and I've been able to keep 300 yard groupings inside of a dinner plate.

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So, oh, I said, you know that's what's good match ammo.

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But um, you know, speaking of firearms, pat, you know we got some.

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Are these here right now?

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Is this a simulation?

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Yeah, do my eyes deceive me?

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Because I see something on the table that Is not sold by Primary Arms.

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Not sold by Primary Arms.

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But I'm going to buy something from Primary Arms to put on top of it.

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Heck, yeah.

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So maybe on the bottom too, yeah, and the other day I was just minding my own business, working, being a working man, being a working I receive a text message from old mick and it says the raiders are in stock and instantly I was screwed.

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There was no chance that I wasn't gonna to immediately, when I had a moment, go purchase the Raider.

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The.

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Flux Raider Is that really yeah, is that how you feel, man?

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You felt stuck.

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What was the first thing I texted back to you?

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I think you said, oh, no, you shouldn't have sent me that Exactly.

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No, it was.

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I was like, oh, because this is like you know, this is a thing that's been, uh, for people who follow it or know about it, um, it's been really hard to get.

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It's always out of stock.

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Um, they make a lot of these.

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Um, what's, what's the generic term for chassis?

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The chassis chassis for your pistol.

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yeah, chassis you, you put your pistol in it and it's supposed to enable your pistol to have some support.

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Yeah, have some support with it, whether that's a brace or a stock or a little bit more of a grip, and it's supposed to kind of add more weight and control to the recoil.

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It pretty much, you know, it's the difference between going from you know, your standard handgun pistol to an MP5.

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If you can't, afford an MP5, get a chassis, but also the scalping prices for Flux, because they're unobtainium.

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Are the prices sometimes of MP5s Right?

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You know what I mean, yep, they've been marked up.

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And I'll say this too about chassis Chassis by and large, 95% of them are garbage, gimmick garbage.

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They're not worth your time, they're not really safe, they're not going to work.

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Well, I know we got homies who own a Ronin.

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I love you, your parents love you.

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I hate that thing.

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If I ever see it, I'll kick it.

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I'll kick it like a dog, yeah.

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And so we got ourselves some Flux Raiders, and it's the Flux Raider X, the new one, the new one, cutting edge.

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Yeah, glass reinforced polymer body yeah.

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Sorry, I'm so stoked and so we have one in here that's just blank Ready.

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It's a blank canvas, yeah.

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Here's the thing.

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Yeah, everyone, I'm in the zeitgeist, okay, guys.

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Uh, I've watched everyone else see it.

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I've watched everyone's video like use case for pcc that's a pistol caliber carbine or pistol caliber chassis um, and almost everyone's like there's not a real use for this.

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There's not a real use for this.

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There's not a real use for this.

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But then the flux came out and the tune, diddly darn did change.

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Yeah, and everyone's like this is it, this is the pinnacle.

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There won't be a better one than this for a long time.

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Um, and the way it works is that you take the serialized part of the SIG P three 20, which is just the trigger system.

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I serialized part of the sig p320, which is just the trigger system.

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I'm dumbing this language down for people who aren't as familiar with firearms, so some of the some more of our gun familiar guys might be like well, it's not the technical term, right, and so I'm kind of doubling it down.

00:16:16.892 --> 00:16:17.883
The fire control group.

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Or, for those of you who don't know guns, inside the gun is the trigger.

00:16:22.238 --> 00:16:24.134
The trigger is the serialized part for the p320.

00:16:24.134 --> 00:16:24.520
It's what the manufacturer, the atf, says.

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That's the gun is the trigger.

00:16:24.735 --> 00:16:25.403
The trigger is the serialized part for the p320.

00:16:25.403 --> 00:16:28.875
It's what the manufacturer, the atf, says that's the gun.

00:16:28.875 --> 00:16:35.947
So if you just take the trigger out of the pistol and put it in a chassis, the gun is still the gun.

00:16:35.947 --> 00:16:44.429
You just have rehoused it um, and as long as you comply with the atf's rules and regulations, it's's still considered a pistol.

00:16:44.429 --> 00:16:46.212
You don't have to do any paperwork or anything like that.

00:16:46.212 --> 00:16:52.253
And so, though P320s ubiquitous, they're in stock everywhere.

00:16:52.253 --> 00:17:01.227
You know they're like it's like they're the Honda Civic of the handguns right now, like that's not a diss on them.

00:17:01.227 --> 00:17:05.425
You know Honda Civics, they're the reason they're the number one sold car in america.

00:17:05.625 --> 00:17:14.648
And now what the p320 has done is it's become versatile and customizable, so like it's not just one, it's not just a gun yeah, so you can have.

00:17:14.648 --> 00:17:16.333
There's so many different options for it.

00:17:16.333 --> 00:17:17.863
Um, it's almost.

00:17:17.863 --> 00:17:23.962
It's very similar to an ar build yeah, and that you can get all these little parts for it that are going to be.

00:17:24.525 --> 00:17:33.007
You know, you can trick it out or keep it simple or whatever it's not to the level of, like glock, aftermarket support, right, but it's not going for it.

00:17:33.007 --> 00:17:33.607
You know what I mean.

00:17:33.607 --> 00:17:43.753
They're trying to keep a lot of it, uh, like in-house and like more kind of less sketch you know what I mean, but they, they do look sick.

00:17:43.753 --> 00:17:49.943
I sketch, you know what I mean, but they, they do look sick I, since those are so available.

00:17:49.963 --> 00:17:52.008
I haven't even bought one yet, right, I haven't even bought a fire control unit.

00:17:52.008 --> 00:17:57.791
Uh, for the from the p320 to get for the flux, because I know the flux is the much more difficult part to obtain.

00:17:57.791 --> 00:18:02.204
Um, and I don't have that much interest in carrying a 320.

00:18:02.204 --> 00:18:05.881
Excuse me, that'll probably change once I have my flex up and running.

00:18:05.881 --> 00:18:25.769
Um, just because I think it's it's makes sense to have, like, if the flex is going to be my backpack gun, truck gun, yada, yada, right, then it makes sense to have a handgun concealed carry that shares the same magazine system, right, you know, I mean, that's kind of my logic behind it, so, but anyways, so I got mine.

00:18:25.769 --> 00:18:28.788
It's not set up, it's this blank one hasn't been done yet.

00:18:28.788 --> 00:18:31.134
But, pat, yeah, you already got it.

00:18:31.153 --> 00:18:34.909
I've kind of built it out, and one thing about chassis in general has been that they've.

00:18:34.909 --> 00:18:37.223
Usually you just stick your whole gun in it.

00:18:37.223 --> 00:18:40.662
This one, what we were saying is you take it apart and put it, and that's why they really revolutionized.

00:18:40.662 --> 00:19:01.124
There was you could buy different polymer essentially lowers or grips and put this stuff in, and some genius was like I'm just gonna build a giant lower polymer grip and that's why this chassis is is winning and I've, I've, I've built mine out, but I've built it out with just like the parts I had, you know.

00:19:01.124 --> 00:19:03.749
So essentially, um, but I'm excited about it.

00:19:03.970 --> 00:19:11.288
So it's in the bag, I'm gonna I won't make fun of it, but so here's like this is a small backpack, that's a standard.

00:19:11.288 --> 00:19:20.613
Uh, you know, basic what I would expect like everyday guy backpack, like it almost looks more like a mechanic backpack, you know.

00:19:20.613 --> 00:19:23.065
I mean, like exactly what he's bringing his lunch to work in.

00:19:23.306 --> 00:19:24.188
Yep, and I have this.

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This middle pocket's actually open right now, right like, but that can't see it.

00:19:29.078 --> 00:19:30.161
That's the pocket it's in.

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Wow, everybody's like grabbing the right part here.

00:19:32.464 --> 00:19:35.089
So it's all.

00:19:35.089 --> 00:19:37.213
It's all built out and the.

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The way this thing's designed, is you you're able to put a?

00:19:41.028 --> 00:19:44.590
We'll describe this as best we can, since we're no video.

00:19:44.590 --> 00:19:46.982
You know me and mick get to enjoy looking at it.

00:19:47.022 --> 00:19:51.296
Y'all don't get to, but just open it up on your phone, guys exactly so.

00:19:51.316 --> 00:20:11.375
Um, you're able to throw a big boy optic on top as well as a flashlight on the bottom, because it's got the rails, it's got a spot for um, you load your mag just like into a normal pistol, but then where your forehand goes is going to be on a secondary magazine.

00:20:12.477 --> 00:20:13.919
It's not a foregrip.

00:20:13.919 --> 00:20:16.266
Yeah, it's not an angle foregrip.

00:20:17.121 --> 00:20:18.105
That's what I said your forehand.

00:20:19.042 --> 00:20:21.049
Yeah, I'm just specifying, Doesn't it say on it?

00:20:21.049 --> 00:20:21.942
I'm pretty sure it says on it.

00:20:21.942 --> 00:20:23.045
This is not a foregrip.

00:20:25.029 --> 00:20:25.571
That's funny.

00:20:25.571 --> 00:20:30.365
Yeah, it does.

00:20:30.365 --> 00:20:32.547
It says it literally, is in there.

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They're not a foregrip.

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You just put your hand there.

00:20:36.226 --> 00:20:37.906
But, it's not a foregrip.

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It's June.

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Everybody, you get to be what you want.

00:20:41.424 --> 00:20:43.369
Okay, that's all I'm saying.

00:20:43.369 --> 00:20:47.441
All right, the flux might identify as Dude.

00:20:47.441 --> 00:20:48.666
The flux is influx.

00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:50.424
That's the reason it's named flux.

00:20:50.645 --> 00:20:59.496
I'm just saying there's some things around language we use around gun stuff that is maybe very similar to like the other language.

00:20:59.496 --> 00:21:06.448
Also other languages, other stuff, people use to circumvent um whatever uh law.

00:21:06.868 --> 00:21:12.682
So so uh here the uh I'm gonna play this noise for you right here, ready, listen to this.

00:21:12.682 --> 00:21:21.042
That is the um, probably the best part about this the brace, the brace.

00:21:21.042 --> 00:21:34.672
When you hit this, button it out and you're able to then brace this weapon, and so I'm going to hand it over to Mick here so he can look at it and play with it.

00:21:34.672 --> 00:21:35.653
We've got to get this sight on.

00:21:35.653 --> 00:21:47.761
So I've got a red dot on top here, got a little light on the bottom, and mine's a .40 cal, which means the mags are incredibly hard to come by the mags are also unobtainium.

00:21:47.803 --> 00:21:49.125
Yeah, so how much?

00:21:49.125 --> 00:21:51.894
How much does a 40 cal 320 mag cost you um?

00:21:52.134 --> 00:21:52.675
60 bucks.

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So don't put this mag in here.

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This is for show.

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This mag doesn't fit, by the way.

00:21:57.271 --> 00:21:58.155
Okay, all right, why not?

00:21:58.155 --> 00:22:04.498
Um, because it's not, uh, quite long enough oh yeah, yeah, it's a 15 rounder it's just not long enough.

00:22:04.498 --> 00:22:05.781
We're not going to speak to capacities.

00:22:05.781 --> 00:22:06.462
Yeah, that's right.

00:22:06.482 --> 00:22:15.406
Good, good point, but the um uh, bro, you ever load up 50 357s in these mags, uh I I could and should actually they.

00:22:15.426 --> 00:22:26.779
I don't think a 357 works with my uh slide oh gotcha yeah, but have you um so charging it that going to be the most difficult part Charging.

00:22:26.779 --> 00:22:30.148
It is difficult, but they make an aftermarket charge for the front site.

00:22:30.328 --> 00:22:30.951
Yeah that.

00:22:30.951 --> 00:22:32.281
Are you going to go sideways?

00:22:32.402 --> 00:22:38.422
The sidewinder I might, or the top one, if probably top, because I'm lefty and so yeah.

00:22:38.422 --> 00:22:41.204
So the way that so cause I don't know if they make a lefty version.

00:22:41.204 --> 00:22:41.744
I'm sure they do.

00:22:41.805 --> 00:22:42.987
but oh yeah, you're right.

00:22:42.987 --> 00:22:43.788
I don't think they do yet.

00:22:44.167 --> 00:22:47.632
Yeah, bummer, but try the mag swap on that.

00:22:47.632 --> 00:22:48.633
But here's how you do it.

00:22:48.633 --> 00:22:57.171
You see that Think like this long one, ak, ak, like button on the back of your foregrip thumb.

00:22:57.171 --> 00:23:04.632
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, click it Like address the weapon, though, just like you're using it Like get your.

00:23:04.632 --> 00:23:07.666
Okay, yeah, okay, now it's time to reload.

00:23:07.666 --> 00:23:11.808
Okay, push it once Now, push it, nope, push it harder.

00:23:11.808 --> 00:23:12.631
Yeah, there you go.

00:23:12.810 --> 00:23:14.599
Okay, all right, I see what you're talking about there.

00:23:14.660 --> 00:23:20.753
So the cool thing about how you change mags on this is it's one button to drop your.

00:23:20.753 --> 00:23:22.864
It's all right, it comes.

00:23:22.864 --> 00:23:23.886
Drop your, it's already comes out.

00:23:23.886 --> 00:23:24.669
He put the mag in there.

00:23:24.669 --> 00:23:25.991
I told him not well, I did it.

00:23:26.092 --> 00:23:32.512
I wanted to get the full vibe, yeah, but I just I I'm using my, my flathead, don't worry, there we go.

00:23:32.553 --> 00:23:37.309
No, it's fine, um, but you're able to do a mag change super quick.

00:23:37.309 --> 00:23:39.173
I mean, a monkey could do it so fast.

00:23:39.173 --> 00:23:43.990
And so the cool thing about guns these days is you don't even have to be good.

00:23:43.990 --> 00:23:48.383
They've made so many advancements, you're going to be good.

00:23:48.383 --> 00:23:49.685
It's hilarious.

00:23:49.685 --> 00:23:50.669
Put a red dot on there.

00:23:50.669 --> 00:23:51.592
Put a flux on there.

00:23:51.592 --> 00:23:53.005
Is this a left-handed brace now?

00:23:53.184 --> 00:23:53.787
Left-handed brace.

00:23:53.787 --> 00:23:54.128
Put it on.

00:23:54.128 --> 00:23:57.166
Yeah, I can see, because it really braces right against your forearm.

00:23:57.367 --> 00:24:00.046
Yeah, it does as God intended.

00:24:02.980 --> 00:24:38.857
Oh man, I'm so excited and like the weight of it is like very, it feels very balanced, like it doesn't feel it's weird because like you hold a handgun and you don't really think too much of your handgun being forward heavy right because you have the mag in your back right but between this you know kind of metal railed brace, the optic behind the actual grip and then the double mag up front, like you really do feel the difference in weight it wants to excuse me, but it feels like the weight distribute the balance is like feels pretty center, like right on where the uh, like right where your pistol grip is.

00:24:38.878 --> 00:24:53.277
For sure that's pretty much it that's it it's right there, because I will say, when I bought it, I will say when I bought it, um, and I got out of the box, I was kind of like I made a mistake, no way, really.

00:24:53.277 --> 00:24:54.540
Just like feeling it.

00:24:54.540 --> 00:25:02.468
Like feeling stuff rattle, being like this is all plastic, some metal, like I had a little bit of buyer's remorse initially.

00:25:02.468 --> 00:25:04.351
No, but listen, I'm just saying.

00:25:04.351 --> 00:25:09.369
And then I built it out and I was like this is so sick, that's super awesome.

00:25:09.369 --> 00:25:10.684
So that's just a warning.

00:25:10.684 --> 00:25:13.667
If you get it because it's not necessarily cheap, you know.

00:25:13.667 --> 00:25:25.432
So you get it you might feel a little bit of that buyer's remorse too, just like for a second, but it's awesome and once you build it out, it feels great.

00:25:25.432 --> 00:25:34.277
Definitely, listen to watch their instructional video on how to put it together instead of doing it the man way.

00:25:34.277 --> 00:25:42.407
The man way is we don't look at instructions, but the man way can ruin your flux, and I almost did when I tried to build mine out.

00:25:42.407 --> 00:25:47.451
So watch the YouTube video, yeah.

00:25:47.811 --> 00:25:57.490
Yeah, I mean, dude, I'll say this Once I have my slide figured out, like what slide I'm going to be running with the barrel and the comp and all that.

00:25:57.490 --> 00:26:01.411
I've just seen some people do some pretty sick paint jobs on them.

00:26:01.411 --> 00:26:04.425
That's what I'm just going to go for.

00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.924
Because with it collapsed collapsed.

00:26:09.944 --> 00:26:20.980
The length is 12 inches yeah, right, and here's the thing too, you know, like I'm not gonna say, like I'm not gonna stand on the hill and be like, yeah, this is your daily carry, right, like one.

00:26:20.980 --> 00:26:30.006
They people make holsters for it, but it is a big ass holster, it'd be silly like it, like you could, I mean you could have it on a drop like holster.

00:26:30.006 --> 00:26:43.384
I think it could kind of serve in that capacity of like a firearm that you pull out of the holster right for like a security personnel, something like that maybe.

00:26:43.384 --> 00:26:52.512
Um, but like, if you're, if you're doing security and you're using this, you might as well just go full up to like a, you know, just a carbine.

00:26:52.512 --> 00:26:54.545
Yeah, like five, five, six carbine or something.

00:26:54.684 --> 00:27:11.573
So all I said, though, like the, what I see it for is honestly like a very practical, like covert, covert, like emergency gun, like it's that extra step of like beyond your daily concealed carry.

00:27:11.573 --> 00:27:20.407
You know, if you think of like that pyramid, that's like you know what's that guy's name Hierarchy of needs guy.

00:27:20.407 --> 00:27:21.702
You know he did the.

00:27:21.702 --> 00:27:24.050
He wrote the hierarchy of needs for people.

00:27:24.901 --> 00:27:35.509
I don't remember well I'll look it up so, yeah, so, while you're looking that up, I think that, um, like like you're saying, this is not a concealed carry gun.

00:27:35.509 --> 00:27:42.990
You don't necessarily like, like it and it's really not necessarily, it's not a self-defense weapon in my mind.

00:27:43.510 --> 00:27:55.930
Oh, I think it is meaning this, meaning this like like when I think self-defense as far as, like, immediate action, I think, like, like this oh my god, this situation just happened so fast.

00:27:55.930 --> 00:28:00.528
You know, it's the, it's the, the guy with the hey, give me your money.

00:28:00.528 --> 00:28:11.432
Or it's the like I see like someone rounds the corner approaching me, like honestly, you're not going to get this thing out in time, hit the button to extend the sure, um, the brace.

00:28:11.432 --> 00:28:15.431
And then also it's honestly, if you don't have the aftermarket stuff, it's hard to rack.

00:28:15.431 --> 00:28:16.442
Like get into battery.

00:28:16.442 --> 00:28:18.446
So like, if it's not already in battery, you're done.

00:28:18.968 --> 00:28:28.576
Um and so like I do see it as a it's still to defend yourself, but it is would be for a more offense in an offensive situation.

00:28:28.576 --> 00:28:41.086
Meaning like okay, I've had time to get this out from like beneath my, my, my like seat, or get it from out of the bag, check it, make sure it's charged.

00:28:41.086 --> 00:28:44.384
Like extend it, go through my way.

00:28:44.384 --> 00:28:46.267
Like everything's good to go now I'm in it.

00:28:46.267 --> 00:28:50.950
Versus this, like you know, pull bang, it's not a pull bang.

00:28:50.950 --> 00:28:52.252
Yeah, you know what I mean.

00:28:52.252 --> 00:28:53.122
I mean, that's what I'm saying.

00:28:53.162 --> 00:28:54.528
I think it could be.

00:28:54.528 --> 00:28:59.243
I think it occupies a place where it could be, right, um, and it really depends.

00:28:59.243 --> 00:29:03.313
But like, so, maslow, maslow, right, oh, yes, uh, he's the one who does.

00:29:03.313 --> 00:29:03.881
I agree with me.

00:29:03.881 --> 00:29:04.803
Good name for a cat.

00:29:04.803 --> 00:29:07.849
That is a great cat name, like most psychologists.

00:29:07.849 --> 00:29:10.935
Great cat guys, yeah, like great cat name guys.

00:29:10.935 --> 00:29:37.384
Um, but at the bottom of your hierarchy of needs you have your most basic, most common needs, right, which is essentially just gonna be like flux raiders, yeah, exactly, um, but you're gonna have like your food, shelter, water, down there right, and then past those, you get to, like you know, the next level of needs, which is like warmth, clean, like cooked food, and then like permanent shelter.

00:29:37.384 --> 00:29:43.563
And then the next one up is that is like social, uh, like social needs, female companionship.

00:29:43.784 --> 00:30:35.019
And the next one after that is like mental needs, right, right, and like, when you're at the top of the hierarchy, the like need is, like you know, occupation of free time, right, you know, like, at the most is like that's like the highest part of the triangle and I think like use cases for a firearm of like situations you might need a firearm, kind of also function from like a scale of like situations, you might need a firearm kind of also function from like a scale of like most likely to occur at the bottom and, uh, most like unlikely to occur at the top and the top of the top to p point of the triangle, and the firearm you will need for that situation or not even need, but like the best firearm, because Cause I'm not going to, I'm always going to err on the side that it's totally appropriate to use your AR or use your shotgun as a self-defense firearm right.

00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:37.328
Like every firearm, could be used as a self-defense firearm.

00:30:37.328 --> 00:30:48.875
So, I'm never going to say it's wrong to use that, but I'm just gonna say you're more likely at the most common thing, which is someone is threatening your life or the life of someone else.

00:30:48.875 --> 00:30:54.232
The most common firearm you're probably going to use is a handgun concealed on your body Right.

00:30:54.232 --> 00:31:15.693
That's more often than not the most common way begins to, I think, occupy in that triangle just past the uh most common situation of like criminal encounter to like temporary instability.

00:31:16.134 --> 00:31:27.852
Yeah, and now I'm not even saying like societal, I'm saying it could be just personal instability somebody didn't assault you, but like let's say uh, you hear gunshots.

00:31:29.094 --> 00:31:33.973
If you have time, this is what you want and you're in your home or you're in your car, yeah that.

00:31:33.973 --> 00:31:39.689
This is the thing that you can grab very quickly, covertly, and it can still be concealed very easily.

00:31:39.689 --> 00:31:47.790
I was watching people run it with uh jackets, yeah, you know, and just like a sling underneath the jacket and it's like okay, until I find the threat.

00:31:47.790 --> 00:31:51.428
I don't really want people to see me run around with a gun.

00:31:51.468 --> 00:31:56.647
I don't want the police to shoot me accidentally, so I'm going to keep it underneath my jacket or the other guy with the flux ray.

00:31:56.667 --> 00:31:57.670
There's so many possibilities.

00:31:57.670 --> 00:31:58.692
These days.

00:31:59.741 --> 00:32:26.281
But you know, I in like, I think it occupies that space as well as, like you know, when I think instability, like temporal instability, it's like I think COVID, like COVID was a, we now, like on the other side of it know, is a temporary instability, like when it first happened and everyone was panicking and loading up trash bags into their car of their clothes and food and just fleeing and just fleeing.

00:32:26.301 --> 00:32:31.357
I can't tell you how many people I saw flee their rental house in our little college town here to go somewhere where there was, I guess, a bigger home with more family.

00:32:31.357 --> 00:32:31.960
It was insane, dude.

00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:50.647
The day our city announced they were doing a lockdown, oh yeah, just so, like the whole neighborhood, everyone who had a truck and like family or you know whatever friends, they just loaded up, they just left, dude, and I was like okay, all right, so like, we'll see how everyone else reacts here, right?

00:32:50.647 --> 00:33:08.505
Um, something like that, that where, like, you're unsure and to be walking around with an ar again, not gonna say that's wrong depends on your situation, but to be walking around with an ar or shotgun visible makes you much more of a target.

00:33:08.505 --> 00:33:20.144
To, like those trying to maintain the order, like they see that immediately as a threat and those and or those who are trying to overthrow the order sure, yeah and like, I mean and like, but like, that's exactly like the thing.

00:33:20.164 --> 00:33:20.325
Like.

00:33:20.325 --> 00:33:22.309
I always reference katrina.

00:33:22.309 --> 00:33:35.048
Everyone forgets that in kat Katrina, if the government saw you with a gun, they were legally allowed to shoot at you and they were allowed, like they had full martial authority, to confiscate your firearm from you.

00:33:35.048 --> 00:33:43.694
Now whether or not that's justified is a whole nother conversation, but everyone forgets that the, the National Guard, went door to door, taking everyone's guns.

00:33:43.694 --> 00:33:47.403
Martial law is a different thing than everyday civil liberties.

00:33:47.564 --> 00:34:01.779
Yeah, and the other thing about you know, like having anything, even if you're open, carrying in general, like any time, a thing I always live by is like a firearm always escalates the threat.

00:34:01.779 --> 00:34:21.664
Oh yeah, for you and them, meaning you know the consequences go up, yeah, and and it just means like if, uh, if I see a guy with a carbine shotgun, okay, that's like I'm like my threat, like my immediately aware, yeah, I'm very like, that's like I'm I'm spiking spidey senses.

00:34:21.664 --> 00:34:23.588
You don't have spidey senses, apple, you don't need them.

00:34:23.588 --> 00:34:37.532
You can see the guy, but like, and so the anytime you can, as an individual in the situation, be a de-escalator, that's better, but at the same time, be very prepared with something they don't need to know you have, and hopefully you're not going to need it, but you have it.

00:34:37.532 --> 00:34:41.672
Yeah, that's what this thing really can cover the bases on.

00:34:41.853 --> 00:34:47.327
I agree, yeah, so, anyways, I I'm gonna try to get as much rain time as possible with it over the next year.

00:34:47.327 --> 00:34:54.713
Like I, I'm really stoked about it, um, and I'm gonna try to become uber duper proficient with it.

00:34:54.713 --> 00:34:57.081
Yeah, uh, because I really do want this.

00:34:57.081 --> 00:35:04.847
Like, this is gonna essentially live in a role where it's going to be in a backpack and it's going to be in that backpack unless I pull it, like it's never going to go in a gun case.

00:35:04.847 --> 00:35:06.753
You know, like it's's going to be in that backpack unless I pull it, like it's never going to go in a gun case.

00:35:06.753 --> 00:35:07.414
You know what I mean.

00:35:07.414 --> 00:35:14.994
Like it's always going to be in a vehicle or in it, like in the backpack, in the vehicle or, you know, by the desk or whatever.

00:35:14.994 --> 00:35:21.534
So that way, like in a moment's notice, I could grab it and go Um, but is it always going to be on body?

00:35:21.534 --> 00:35:28.768
Probably not, right, right, um, anyways, super stoked, stoked about it.

00:35:28.768 --> 00:35:29.891
If you guys haven't seen me should watch some videos.

00:35:29.891 --> 00:35:31.054
They're pretty exciting.

00:35:31.074 --> 00:35:50.599
Flex raider, uh, you can find them on gun broker for sometimes fifteen hundred dollars double, triple the price, or you can set an alarm 7 pm on thursdays, 7 pm mountain time on th, 7 pm Mountain Time on Thursdays, and that's usually when they announce restock and if you're quick you can grab one off their website.

00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:55.891
So all I said, let's get on to some of our other topics.

00:35:55.891 --> 00:35:56.733
Dude For sure.

00:35:57.135 --> 00:35:58.356
We're talking about violence.

00:36:01.105 --> 00:36:02.010
And violence comes in all sorts of forms.

00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:03.900
I mean, aren't we always talking about violence?

00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:06.291
Isn't that what we always talk about in this podcast?

00:36:06.731 --> 00:36:14.853
I don't know, maybe it's in my nature I'm not even a violent guy but I like to talk about it, I like to think about it, I like to see what's going on in the world with it.

00:36:14.853 --> 00:36:17.391
Sure, and we've mentioned this guy on the podcast.

00:36:17.391 --> 00:36:22.597
Actually, he might be the second or third most mentioned person, probably.

00:36:30.784 --> 00:36:31.226
We talk about a lot.

00:36:31.226 --> 00:36:32.208
You know um and the uh mike glover.

00:36:32.208 --> 00:36:34.974
He's a youtuber, business owner, ex uh special forces green beret guy.

00:36:34.974 --> 00:36:49.411
Um, he was arrested about a month and a half ago for, uh, domestic violence charges and leading up to now you know that he's been a very outspoken person around mostly around preparedness.

00:36:49.411 --> 00:36:51.434
He owns a company called fieldcraft survival.

00:36:51.434 --> 00:37:00.878
They sell med kits and classes on, you know, being prepared and they sell also stickers.

00:37:00.878 --> 00:37:02.065
You know they sell all sorts of stuff.

00:37:02.065 --> 00:37:06.797
This is a standard youtuber, preparedness stuff they sell.

00:37:07.666 --> 00:37:14.726
And so he's kind of been making his way in the world post a military service, building a business and other things.

00:37:14.726 --> 00:37:23.019
And he found himself in a bit of a pickle and so far you know the story goes.

00:37:23.019 --> 00:37:27.161
You know it came out that he was in prison, jail, jail.

00:37:27.161 --> 00:37:31.811
He was in jail, prison not quite prison, um for domestic violence charges.

00:37:31.811 --> 00:37:44.114
Um, the short version is that his girlfriend slash partner slash baby mama, um was.

00:37:45.835 --> 00:38:03.833
There's two sides of the story, obviously, but the kind of non-biased version is they had, they were having a husband-wife verbal argument and the wife or you know this girlfriend says it says some things and takes the baby to the bathroom.

00:38:03.833 --> 00:38:21.512
He came upstairs, he was angry, broke the door down or got into the bathroom he wasn't and then in the initial police report says that he grabbed her wrist after busting the door down and said I'll break your wrist.

00:38:21.512 --> 00:38:26.369
And grabbed her wrist really hard After x-rays showed that she did have a broken wrist and police uh grabbed her wrist really hard.

00:38:26.369 --> 00:38:29.438
Um, after x-rays showed that she did have a broken wrist and uh police came.

00:38:29.438 --> 00:38:42.507
He was arrested um and was facing uh four felony convictions for um, you know, felony domestic violence, uh committing domestic violence in front of children on three accounts.

00:38:42.507 --> 00:38:46.817
Uh, he has two children and one with this lady and then the.

00:38:46.817 --> 00:38:53.237
The fourth one would be I don't know legal term, but the judge said don't talk to your wife.

00:38:53.277 --> 00:38:56.556
There's like a non-contact order is not a contact order and he broke it.

00:38:56.556 --> 00:38:57.057
He tried.

00:38:57.057 --> 00:38:57.699
He like.

00:38:57.699 --> 00:39:03.192
First phone call in the jail is to a buddy saying, hey, can you, can you contact her?

00:39:03.192 --> 00:39:03.632
Yeah.

00:39:04.313 --> 00:39:17.916
Yeah, and via the secondary police report yeah, because none of this has been to court yet and there's been no final ruling made on the situation.

00:39:17.916 --> 00:39:22.556
And so you know, mike's the guy who I've followed for a long time.

00:39:22.556 --> 00:39:41.168
I think I've got like some close connections to the guy, so I think that, like I want to see the best forum in it and, granted, I've never met the guy, and so it's like I think that you, you let you you know people who work with I know I know people who know him.

00:39:41.329 --> 00:39:49.510
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so, like no people know him, and so it's like I.

00:39:49.510 --> 00:39:49.911
I do feel somewhat.

00:39:49.911 --> 00:39:50.733
You know, it's what I've.

00:39:50.733 --> 00:39:56.250
He's not my buddy, but I just I feel mildly it's a weird thing you can kind of feel mildly connected to someone.

00:39:56.250 --> 00:40:02.827
It's a I'm a friend to a friend of a friend yeah, the degrees of kevin bacon yeah, exactly, exactly, for real.

00:40:03.246 --> 00:40:32.838
And so I think that like and also I'm always cautious when entering into these things I try to be cautious on like making a personal state, like making a public statement or making a personal judgment on it, because so many things can go so many different ways and I think all parties and both parties in this thing have there's probably blame to be had on both parties and peace to be made from both sides.

00:40:32.838 --> 00:40:38.275
But you know, lately the newest thing is that these charges have been dropped.

00:40:38.275 --> 00:40:39.166
Hold on.

00:40:39.226 --> 00:40:40.612
Before you do that, go ahead.

00:40:40.612 --> 00:40:43.829
Just to let's make it real quick, cause that was a lot.

00:40:43.829 --> 00:40:45.088
I know I was kind of rambling.

00:40:45.088 --> 00:40:47.275
No, it's good, it's just Mike Glover.

00:40:49.144 --> 00:41:11.472
He's a former Green Beret Beret, right yeah, or Ranger Beret Beret and he's been with this woman that he calls his wife, but they're not technically married, has a kid with her Not his first wife that he had two kids with and, uh, she seems to have grabbed a kid, ran upstairs to the bathroom, locked him in.

00:41:11.472 --> 00:41:19.338
He broke through the door this is, seems, right, this is what was reported and he broke her wrist, like and then the police showed up.

00:41:19.338 --> 00:41:22.369
Um, he didn't beat her, you know.

00:41:22.369 --> 00:41:30.851
He grabbed her wrist and it wasn't like he was smashing her face against the toilet, right right, he wasn't trying to kill her or harm the child.

00:41:30.851 --> 00:41:44.152
Um, all that said, before we go too far, I think the other side of that we should say too is like his side of like you know, before things came out recently, it's like his side is like hey, this chick has tried to self-harm herself.

00:41:44.152 --> 00:41:51.391
She's mentioned stuff about self-harming her and the children and I was worried.

00:41:51.391 --> 00:41:52.675
She was taking our child up.

00:41:52.675 --> 00:41:55.634
She said I'm going to give him a haircut.

00:41:55.844 --> 00:42:23.427
And then, after we had had an argument, ran up the stairs, locked the door and I was afraid she was going to drown herself and the kid right, because once one thing to note that he said in the first police report that I think is worth like noting, which I'll say this I like to be naked but, uh, this picture of, uh, what he described does raise some like hairs on the back of my neck.

00:42:23.427 --> 00:42:31.240
When he said I saw her at the top of the stairs fully nude and the child was fully nude and she walked into the bathroom.

00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:33.085
Yeah, there is something of a like.

00:42:33.085 --> 00:42:41.849
It feels like a scene from a movie yeah when the crazy person's about to do exactly like, uh, the like it.

00:42:41.949 --> 00:42:46.746
Immediately, when I was reading like his report of it, I was like, oh, that sounds just like the chick.

00:42:46.746 --> 00:42:51.978
Uh, leonardo de caprio was married to, in, um, that uh, island movie what was it called?

00:42:51.978 --> 00:42:53.009
Shutter island?

00:42:53.009 --> 00:42:55.056
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like that.

00:42:55.056 --> 00:43:01.074
Yeah, okay, I might kick the door in too right, because you don't know what's going on uh, but okay, so latest, give us the latest.

00:43:01.074 --> 00:43:03.248
That was this I just so, that way everyone's on board.

00:43:03.409 --> 00:43:10.784
Latest update yeah, and so now the kind the kind of a and you can go watch videos and breakdowns on this stuff because people have been talking about it.

00:43:10.784 --> 00:43:18.735
But now at this point not all charges have been dropped but the felony charges have been dropped.

00:43:18.735 --> 00:43:57.867
After a judge and prosecutor looked at kind of all this stuff, they determined that it wasn't warranting felony charges, part of that being because she did recontact the police and recant her initial statement and told another story, and it's worth noting that they had both not been in contact with each other when she told her side of the story again, because he told he she initially at this at the at first he said one thing, she said another.

00:43:57.867 --> 00:44:10.610
When they were separated he goes and is locked up, he is no longer talking to her and then she recants what she said and gives another statement that then matches up with what he said.

00:44:10.610 --> 00:44:29.885
So you know, uh, the it could be assumed there's two versions of two trains of thought to go down on this, which would be one would be she could have been intimidated into saying a story that matches up by him or somebody else.

00:44:29.925 --> 00:44:31.610
Right, so to like to get charges dropped.

00:44:31.610 --> 00:44:34.177
But the way that the timeline played out was.

00:44:34.177 --> 00:44:47.945
She actually pretty quickly re-contacted, told, retold the story um and talked about her own mental health issues, and he had not been in contact with her at that point.

00:44:47.945 --> 00:44:54.177
So there wasn't necessarily a chance for that kind of the stories to get realigned right.

00:44:54.177 --> 00:45:16.467
And so when two people who are pretty much totally separated give the same story, at that point, in general that story can be more trusted than if they'd been in the same room, you know collaborating, and they did not have a chance to collaborate in this story, so and and I think it's important to say like there were things in the initial police report that were just straight up, not true.

00:45:16.949 --> 00:45:25.681
Right, like the initial police report said that mike broke the door down to the bathroom, they literally went to the house to take photos on the case for evidence.

00:45:26.003 --> 00:45:33.510
The door was not broken down there was actually no sign of like the door being broken at all there was like a crack in a hinge, but not like the way it sounded.

00:45:33.550 --> 00:45:50.878
It wasn't like he kicked it off yeah yeah, exactly, or just bull bulldozed through it right um there was the other one too, where she, like they said, like I guess corroborating her words too, but like they said, like I guess corroborating her words too, but like what they said is like she actually broke her wrist, falling on the bathtub.

00:45:51.786 --> 00:45:52.871
A dirt bike accident.

00:45:53.246 --> 00:45:54.530
Oh, she did say it was a dirt bike accident.

00:45:54.530 --> 00:45:56.130
Yeah, instead of that incident.

00:45:56.130 --> 00:45:59.704
Yeah, because what she initially said was Wow, that makes so much sense with the jokes.

00:46:00.184 --> 00:46:01.146
So she walked it.

00:46:01.146 --> 00:46:05.010
So the initial story was he came in and said I'll break your effing wrist.

00:46:05.010 --> 00:46:07.233
And then grabbed her wrist and snapped it.

00:46:07.233 --> 00:46:10.835
But also her x-rays were from.

00:46:10.835 --> 00:46:16.262
The x-ray showed a hairline fracture of an injury that had happened prior to that moment.

00:46:16.262 --> 00:46:24.967
So one a hairline fracture.

00:46:24.967 --> 00:46:27.291
The type of fracture could was from an impact type injury, not from someone twisting.

00:46:27.291 --> 00:46:30.778
And so you know it's like she said that to hey, you know this, my wrist actually is hurt from.

00:46:30.778 --> 00:46:35.856
You know I wrecked it last week on dirt bike accident, which you know.

00:46:35.856 --> 00:46:43.965
In other in in the city, you say you fell down the stairs, and in the country, you say you had a dirt bike accident.

00:46:43.965 --> 00:46:45.188
I don't know, like, like, like, you know, like.

00:46:45.188 --> 00:46:47.853
So I'm still trying to give this story a full fair shake.

00:46:47.853 --> 00:46:52.751
But also I'm a fan of mike lover and I think that I, I think people mess up too.

00:46:52.811 --> 00:47:00.976
There's there's so much to say about this whole thing, but the, the facts we know now would be that, um, she changed her story to line.

00:47:00.976 --> 00:47:13.795
They lined up with his and also the um, uh, the big thing that happened to him, where he tried to contact her through the, where he broke the judge's non-contact order.

00:47:13.795 --> 00:47:29.510
The prosecutor and the judge listened to his conversation and said that wasn't actually a breach of the order, like that wasn't a breach of the non-contact order, whereas what happened initially was the invest, the police investigator.

00:47:29.510 --> 00:47:39.077
When they heard that recorded phone call, they took that to the judge and the way they'd written the report seemed like yeah, that's a break of contact order.

00:47:39.077 --> 00:47:41.719
Then the judge and prosecutor listened to the phone conversation.

00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.385
They said no, that's not what he was doing.

00:47:44.610 --> 00:47:56.793
So I think that one big thing to to talk about in this is like how the police reporting has been done on the guy and the investigation has been done as well as um.

00:47:56.793 --> 00:48:01.146
Then there's also there's like tons of things to actually break down in this whole story.

00:48:01.146 --> 00:48:07.380
Um, but at this point he is he's, he's not in jail right now.

00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:25.956
He does still have misdemeanor charges, no felony charges, but for him his world has been really turned upside down and he gave a update like two days ago, publicly shirtless, just the hat on up close to the camera.

00:48:26.338 --> 00:48:35.458
yeah, hey guys, mike here, just I mean, it couldn't have been a worse image in my opinion.

00:48:35.458 --> 00:48:45.311
Like, dude, like the approach of it is, like again, I haven't even said my opinion on the guy, right, right, I'm just saying, like that is not the update video, you do?

00:48:45.311 --> 00:48:47.615
Oh, yeah, you know what I mean.

00:48:47.615 --> 00:49:03.675
Like it just doesn't look good, kind of looked like, you know, again free country, but kind of looked like he'd been drinking, like he was hot, overwhelmed, stressed, you know, and it's just like, bro, maybe, just maybe, you don't need to make the video.

00:49:04.217 --> 00:49:05.460
Yeah, you know what I mean Maybe not.

00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:06.023
Maybe don't need to make the video.

00:49:06.023 --> 00:49:06.226
Yeah, you know I mean maybe not.

00:49:06.226 --> 00:49:09.382
Maybe you don't need to come out yet because one thing, especially since you can't talk about it.

00:49:09.603 --> 00:49:22.184
You can't talk about the case yeah, one thing me and you talked about a couple weeks ago uh, on this offline, on this was we were talking about how people who are in the spotlight always seem to they can't help themselves.

00:49:22.184 --> 00:49:24.150
But to come back out into the spotlight.

00:49:24.150 --> 00:50:10.827
He's not like a senator, I will say his livelihood does depend on his following in many ways, but, at the same time, so many people who go through different scandals or different hard things over time including whatever, senators, presidents, all these people, um, public figures, celebrities now YouTubers, influencers they for some reason have this need to come out and do a public thing, a public video, and I don't know if it's like, is part of it the uh, like hubris or like narcissism that does drive, even initially pursuing such a career as making yourself the face of something?

00:50:10.827 --> 00:50:18.670
Um, or is it that they don't see a different way and they feel like they do need to come out and make a statement?

00:50:18.670 --> 00:50:20.516
I don't know, and I think that both can be true.

00:50:21.949 --> 00:50:28.431
Um, in this case, with his update video you know it was I feel like it was very much like partially sincere on the back.

00:50:28.431 --> 00:50:36.364
It was funny as the back half he did give like advice for other people who are struggling and sometimes when you're struggling, it's not a good time for you to give advice.

00:50:36.364 --> 00:50:40.715
Just just shut the hell up and, um, say what you need to say and get off.

00:50:40.715 --> 00:50:44.690
You know, if you do need to give an update to let people know what's going on, do it and then get off.

00:50:44.690 --> 00:50:48.976
You don't need to like don't be preachy If you're.

00:50:48.976 --> 00:50:52.130
If you're not, if you're not in a good place to preach, don't be preachy.

00:50:52.130 --> 00:51:03.094
You know, and like sure, that was my main problem with that video was the back half for him on that, where I was like hey man, like the first few things you said was I thought're still around.

00:51:03.094 --> 00:51:06.940
You kind of gave us a brief update where you're at, kind of emotionally Sounds like you're getting help.

00:51:11.525 --> 00:51:12.708
And then like but it was like I've been praying a lot.

00:51:12.708 --> 00:51:12.929
I've been.

00:51:12.929 --> 00:51:15.657
When I was in jail, my cellmate told me about what to pray.

00:51:15.657 --> 00:51:18.311
And is that what you're saying?

00:51:18.773 --> 00:51:20.628
Yeah, yeah, that first half he did.

00:51:20.628 --> 00:51:23.056
He did mention spirituality, reengaging his.

00:51:23.056 --> 00:51:24.471
He said prayer a lot.

00:51:24.471 --> 00:51:27.228
He mentioned spirituality, re-engaging his.

00:51:27.228 --> 00:51:27.789
He said prayer a lot.

00:51:27.789 --> 00:51:28.610
He mentioned prayer a lot.

00:51:28.610 --> 00:51:29.373
He mentioned re-engaging his faith.

00:51:29.373 --> 00:51:29.753
Um, he mentioned he.

00:51:29.753 --> 00:51:36.074
He did choke up around saying he hasn't seen his kid in a long time, how his family's totally broken and devastated from this, you know.

00:51:36.757 --> 00:51:41.456
And so like the things he came out and said I think were it's a part of like it was fine.

00:51:41.456 --> 00:51:43.206
It's fine to come out and say those sorts of things.

00:51:43.206 --> 00:51:46.693
But then also you, you know, you don't always.

00:51:46.693 --> 00:51:53.896
It's like how people always like right now, I don't, we're not going to give the phone number for the domestic violence hotline.

00:51:53.896 --> 00:52:06.059
It's like, or like the suicide hotline, like there's like people for some reason, like it's like a thing where people feel like they have to, um, give something of offering.

00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:10.193
But if you don't have anything to offer, just shut the hell up and don't offer anything.

00:52:10.193 --> 00:52:14.951
If you want to pour out yourself and where you're at, that's fine, like tell us where you're at, sure that's good.

00:52:14.951 --> 00:52:19.364
But then also to be like and, by the way, if you're struggling, like call 1-800-222-222.

00:52:19.364 --> 00:52:23.030
And also like it's really worth getting help in these situations or whatever.

00:52:23.231 --> 00:52:30.983
And then, and then he from there he continued on into like kind of like, just like a broad message to all people struggling, which the what, what, what.

00:52:30.983 --> 00:52:42.965
What he's doing psychologically at that point is um deflecting and um projecting his issues on the rest of the world, because then you are no longer othered.

00:52:42.965 --> 00:53:01.744
In this situation he's felt super othered and super isolated as someone who's done something bad and something shameful, something harmful, but now, by being kind of preachy and telling other people about it, you are therefore, um, you are uh, unothering yourself.

00:53:01.744 --> 00:53:06.552
You think you're helping others, but what you're actually doing is saying, like, what I?

00:53:06.552 --> 00:53:22.456
What you kind of are saying is, what I did isn't uncommon, or maybe not that big a deal, and so therefore it's okay, even if and if you have this problem right here you go and and they're and I'm not even saying they're doing that, um that they're knowingly doing that.

00:53:22.817 --> 00:53:27.617
I think it's a subconscious thing that people do as self-preservation.

00:53:27.617 --> 00:53:35.916
That's why everybody hates apology videos, because for some reason, people just can't give a sincere apology out there.

00:53:36.105 --> 00:53:39.996
Yeah, well, yeah, it's because they're trash Right and they are.

00:53:39.996 --> 00:53:50.844
But I think there are people who do give in themselves a sincere apology video or something, but it's super ill-received and they don't even know why it's ill-received.

00:53:50.844 --> 00:53:59.237
And it's because of this deeper subconscious thing where you know sometimes people try to do something, where you know he's trying to relate.

00:53:59.237 --> 00:54:00.519
I don't know, does that make sense?

00:54:01.664 --> 00:54:03.068
I mean, that was a lot.

00:54:03.068 --> 00:54:03.929
It was a lot.

00:54:03.929 --> 00:54:08.255
I certainly don't feel the same exact amount as you do.

00:54:08.255 --> 00:54:14.449
So, like I get some of what you're saying, some of it I'm like I could see that you know what I mean.

00:54:14.449 --> 00:54:19.659
It's just because I think I am even, like, more removed from it than you are, you know.

00:54:19.659 --> 00:54:27.686
So it's like a little bit more tertiary, but I mean, yeah, I get everything you're talking about and I think that tracks I like you know.

00:54:27.806 --> 00:54:34.487
I'll say, like one person who I like really did appreciate their apology video was, uh, chris d'alia.

00:54:34.487 --> 00:54:37.094
Chris d'alia just came on, made a video.

00:54:37.094 --> 00:54:39.302
He was like I was a sex addict.

00:54:39.302 --> 00:54:46.385
Uh, you guys all know the truth now about like stuff, about, like you know, girls who are underage claimed like he was chasing after him.

00:54:46.385 --> 00:54:48.992
All that stuff kind of came out and got cleared out.

00:54:48.992 --> 00:54:52.090
Like that wasn't really the case, yada, yada or whatever.

00:54:52.090 --> 00:54:53.034
I'm not here to defend him.

00:54:53.034 --> 00:54:56.226
I'm just saying like I did, like I used to listen to his podcast a lot.

00:54:56.226 --> 00:54:57.992
I thought it was hilarious.

00:54:58.032 --> 00:55:04.755
When all the scandal stuff came out, I was like, oh geez bro, like I'm just gonna, I'm gonna take a step back and let it sort itself out.

00:55:04.755 --> 00:55:06.137
Like I hope all the best for him.

00:55:06.137 --> 00:55:10.998
He seems like a guy who decided to be a dad and family and all that.

00:55:10.998 --> 00:55:14.871
And then he came and just did apology videos like I messed up.

00:55:14.871 --> 00:55:17.137
I got a lot to own up for.

00:55:17.137 --> 00:55:19.824
I'm going to help, that's what I'm doing.

00:55:19.824 --> 00:55:31.117
And he didn't like, as far as I can remember, he didn't do like a and you should get help too if you're struggling with this, something like that, because I know it's not, I know I'm not the only one.

00:55:31.117 --> 00:55:32.047
You know it wasn't anything like that.

00:55:32.047 --> 00:55:47.387
He was just like I cheated on my wife, man, I, I'm a sex addict and I would just try to have sex with you know I got a high off of it of having sex with people who idolize me, yeah and y and yada, yada, and it was just like.

00:55:47.387 --> 00:55:50.235
And then, like, I went and saw him and like saw him in tour.

00:55:50.235 --> 00:55:57.851
After that, my wife and I got tickets to a show and his show was pretty much just about like his family and how he's kind of recovered from that.

00:55:57.851 --> 00:56:02.186
It was a little self deprecating, but it was really funny, right, like you know what I mean and I don't know.

00:56:02.186 --> 00:56:05.293
So, like all that said, like I think there can't be good apologies like that.

00:56:05.293 --> 00:56:07.958
But and also I don't think Mike's was a bad one.

00:56:07.958 --> 00:56:10.172
I'm just still on the fence about everything.

00:56:10.172 --> 00:56:12.351
Right, like there's a court case going on.

00:56:12.351 --> 00:56:20.119
I'm happy to hear charges were dropped for what seems to be like non-bullied reasons.

00:56:20.278 --> 00:57:03.264
Right, seems like I'm gonna be honest, she sounds a lot like a section 8 lady and if you've ever heard of this section, the wives of the housewives of section section 8 it's a funny meme, yeah, but the housewives of section 8 kind of are like it's a bit on, like women who marry a dude for a lot of money because they don't have anything on their own and then when they start not getting what they want, they threaten to do things to the man, like take his kids away or claim he hit them, things like that, right, and uh, they, the section eight housing is like it's just, it's a common trait of like women who heavily rely on welfare.

00:57:03.264 --> 00:57:06.567
Section eight, right, right, that's the kind of whole meme part of it.

00:57:06.567 --> 00:57:22.275
Um, but everyone's joking about her how she's a section eight wife and or section eight gal and as soon as mike stops being the, the hubby or boyfriend she wants, if she's not getting the clout or attention she wants, or the money or something like that.

00:57:22.275 --> 00:57:26.896
Her, her mental games might be kicking in of like what to do.

00:57:26.896 --> 00:58:01.065
Um, I don't know her, I only know her, know of her from what we've seen in videos, right, and I'm flipping flabbergasted that Mike like how could he not see that as, like all the red flags, right, like she just comes off as like a woman who is grifting, yeah and um, not to mention like pre-existing suicidal tendencies, threats, you know, to harm oneself, to manipulate him, and things like that threats to harm him or the kids or take them away from him forever.

00:58:01.065 --> 00:58:12.059
You know, very like obscure threats, right, like that, like those are just awful and not the type of woman you want to be saddled up to for the rest of your life.

00:58:12.621 --> 00:58:34.085
I know friends who have had those wives and those wives, you know, I have a friend whose wife literally like pulled a gun and shot and he was asleep and he woke up and he like, to this day he was like they're separated now, but this day he's like I cannot say with full confidence that she wasn't shooting at me through the wall.

00:58:34.085 --> 00:58:41.693
Yeah, you know what I mean, because she was drunk and just grabbed his gun and shot at him like shot in the direction of their bedroom and it went through the wall, right?

00:58:41.693 --> 00:58:45.677
Yeah, um and uh, it's just, it's just insanity, right?

00:58:45.677 --> 00:58:47.748
So, all that said, I'm waiting to hear how things come out.

00:58:47.748 --> 00:58:52.958
Um, could mike have some problems with anger and abuse?

00:58:52.958 --> 00:58:55.990
For sure I wouldn't be surprised.

00:58:55.990 --> 00:59:07.980
Yeah, um, I'm never surprised when people who have pdsd have issues with um, violence, violence or um, you know, alcohol or drugs or anything like that.

00:59:07.980 --> 00:59:15.784
There's a hole in you and you try to fill it up with something else to make you feel not hurting or empty, to distract.

00:59:15.784 --> 00:59:21.472
That said, how many times it's a trope and there's a reason it's a trope.

00:59:22.150 --> 00:59:26.112
Military dudes are offlet picking partners for the most part.

00:59:26.112 --> 00:59:26.894
I know.

00:59:26.894 --> 00:59:45.648
I think I know three people who are happily married right now out of like the 15 or so I know who went and served in the military after high school, right, and a couple of them had to make some wrong choices before they found a girl who was the right move to go study with.

00:59:45.648 --> 01:00:02.791
So, all that said, I could care less about what sounds right or what sounds correct or politically correct, or if I'm sticking up for Mike or if I'm, you know calling him out as a chauvinist pig.

01:00:02.791 --> 01:00:06.731
What I care about is how freaking funny some of these comments were.

01:00:06.731 --> 01:00:18.396
For those of you who don't know, you need to pass a background check to own a firearm.

01:00:18.396 --> 01:00:28.005
However, there is a class of firearms that you don't need a background check for and that, if you are a felon, you can legally own.

01:00:28.005 --> 01:00:29.469
I didn't know this.

01:00:29.469 --> 01:00:31.213
They're known as black powder guns.

01:00:31.353 --> 01:00:34.188
Oh yeah black powder guns like require no background check.

01:00:34.188 --> 01:00:43.614
You just go buy it off the shelf and you can load up your musket or your like cap and ball revolver and uh dude, some of the fun.

01:00:43.614 --> 01:00:44.717
So look, here's the thing.

01:00:44.717 --> 01:00:51.452
Even if mike just has um a, uh, misdemeanor domestic violence charge, he loses access to all of his firearms.

01:00:51.452 --> 01:00:53.445
He's never going to be able to own a gun again.

01:00:53.445 --> 01:01:06.998
He's never going to be on be able to own a business or be a part of a business like as a um, what's it called limited liability, co-ownership or anything like that he's not going to be able to be a part of if they own firearms.

01:01:06.998 --> 01:01:12.376
Um, I saw some of the most hilarious comments were there.

01:01:12.376 --> 01:01:18.769
Like I went back and I was like let's just see what people are commenting on the videos, cause everyone of course on the videos is like woman beater.

01:01:18.769 --> 01:01:20.275
I'm like you don't know that for sure.

01:01:20.815 --> 01:01:20.976
Right.

01:01:21.005 --> 01:01:27.304
Like I'm, I'm.

01:01:27.210 --> 01:01:28.664
I'm cautious jump to conclusions, but what I do appreciate is people who can make a situation funny.

01:01:28.664 --> 01:01:34.371
Yeah, and some people are like dude, I'm so excited for Mike's top five favorite archery compound bows for concealed carry.

01:01:34.371 --> 01:01:56.692
Someone else is like oh dude, I'm really looking forward to that Mike's how to clear a room with a black powder revolver and like I just found like those comics to be some of the most funny and creative, while like kind of poking fun, but like not really poking fun at mike or not being angry at him.

01:01:56.711 --> 01:01:59.706
You know that's good form of comedy yeah, I'm sure mike was gonna read that.

01:01:59.706 --> 01:02:00.286
Be like haha.

01:02:00.286 --> 01:02:00.947
Yeah, it is funny.

01:02:02.010 --> 01:02:31.813
So all I said it's a bummer situation for sure, and I, I think too, like because it was like a being pro her, pro him, like, honestly, like I'm pro neither of them, can I say that I'd say I'm pro their family being like good and I'm anti uh, I'm not anti the justice system, but I'm anti like the cops who, uh, maybe just listen to one side or the other.

01:02:31.835 --> 01:03:08.534
Uh, or maybe a little bit exaggeratory in their response or like hasty or hasty and or like it's one thing to do reporting well, and then it's another thing to do reporting to put someone in prison Right or like and so, like, I think that you know, like the, because, because I, what, what I see here, what I think happened in this situation, if I was just given like a, if I had to, like, bet my life on a guess, if I it's like mike had two glasses of whiskey and she has mental health problems, they have marriage problems.

01:03:08.534 --> 01:03:11.891
He, you know, she, said some crazy stuff.

01:03:11.891 --> 01:03:21.748
He went upstairs, forced the door in, maybe didn't break it down, but he came in there and was scary and yelled at her because he was, you know, maybe not composed.

01:03:21.748 --> 01:03:24.592
And then, you know, maybe he did grab her arm.

01:03:24.592 --> 01:03:25.963
I don't think he, you know, he didn't.

01:03:25.963 --> 01:03:29.851
There wasn't evidence of him, like you know, beating her.

01:03:29.851 --> 01:03:34.668
You know, and like, even if he, in some cases too, like he could have grabbed her wrist.

01:03:34.668 --> 01:03:48.378
And she's a tiny lady, he's a big man like, let's say, he did break her wrist, I don't know, but like, uh, and then the cops get called, get involved, and then this whole thing happens where eventually, one of the kids did get taken away by DHS for a week, all these things.

01:03:48.864 --> 01:04:07.985
Now you have all these government agencies involved, where there are tons of cases of where law enforcement, government agencies need to get involved to keep kids safe, to keep women safe, to keep men safe, and that's kind of the order of my importance in my hierarchy.

01:04:08.385 --> 01:04:30.376
But then there's also plenty of cases of just families having like a shitty day that no one needs to be involved in, and they need to have like good community, good reconciliation, move forward, get help for both their issues and keep moving forward without all this other crap where, like you know, the whole world knows about it and you're looking at like potentially four felonies.

01:04:30.376 --> 01:04:40.394
I mean that's like looking at tons of jail time, totally erect, erect life, you know, and for her too, with her kids, and for these children too, thinking about, like you know, erect life for these children and stuff.

01:04:40.394 --> 01:04:58.518
So it's like if it's all been blown out of proportion, it's like, you know, for me, I that's what I'm, just I'm pro them versus pro the system, if that makes any sense, you know, like because I think that lots of people get into these situations all the time yeah, I'll be honest, like I'm more pro.

01:04:59.728 --> 01:05:00.532
Honestly, I don't know.

01:05:00.532 --> 01:05:02.137
Yeah, I don't know the solution.

01:05:02.137 --> 01:05:04.043
Um, here's what I think.

01:05:04.043 --> 01:05:12.076
I think they're both probably not the best parents and, I'm going to be honest, it sounds to me like they both weaponize the kids against one another.

01:05:12.076 --> 01:05:17.945
I think she's grabbing a kid to give him a haircut and scaring Mike intentionally.

01:05:17.945 --> 01:05:27.490
I think Mike, yes, totally could be in the situation, justified, wanting to protect his kid, concerned about his kid's welfare.

01:05:27.490 --> 01:05:43.273
But I also think he probably also has had his fair share of pulling the kids, trying to get them, maybe to instigate her, because it's usually not just one parent that does that.

01:05:43.273 --> 01:05:50.496
The parents usually do tug-of-war with the kids, and so I'm pro people getting their life together.

01:05:51.106 --> 01:05:57.873
I'm not sure that them being together is good for those kids, right, and I'll be honest, bro, especially his kids who are not hers.

01:05:57.873 --> 01:05:59.570
That's super scary.

01:05:59.570 --> 01:06:03.193
Yeah, she's got those kind of self-harm ideations and stuff like that.

01:06:03.193 --> 01:06:10.898
It's kind of dangerous to have her around kids who aren't her own right sounds like she could be a moment jealous.

01:06:10.898 --> 01:06:11.960
You know what I mean.

01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:13.969
Stuff happens all the time.

01:06:13.969 --> 01:06:19.244
So, all right, all that said, my final thoughts on the whole situation.

01:06:19.244 --> 01:06:28.746
Yeah, the comments are hilarious, the creative ones, uh, I hope, uh, I hope mike's okay, I hope his wife, girlfriend, whatever is okay.

01:06:28.746 --> 01:06:33.025
I hope the kids are okay, um, and I hope that, uh, it gets resolved quickly.

01:06:33.025 --> 01:06:49.217
Um, I just I'll be honest, I'm just like it's one of those things that like it's so messy that I and I don't want to get involved in drama like that on the internet because there's there's billions of people in the world and like.

01:06:49.425 --> 01:06:52.512
What I care more about is like the image it gives to other people.

01:06:52.512 --> 01:06:53.855
You know what I mean.

01:06:53.896 --> 01:06:57.972
Right, right, like other people who might be like like I did see this.

01:06:57.972 --> 01:06:59.936
This is the biggest thing, this is my biggest pet peeve.

01:06:59.936 --> 01:07:02.719
Right, right, I was like I wonder when we're going to hear about Grantham.

01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:04.541
I wonder when we're going to hear about Admin.

01:07:04.541 --> 01:07:06.601
I wonder when we're going to hear about Donut Operator.

01:07:06.601 --> 01:07:15.831
I wonder when you know like everyone's just like it's just a blatant brush strokes of like all these guys are now going to be woman beaters because all of them are married to crazy women.

01:07:16.657 --> 01:07:35.661
You know what I mean, and it's like one of those things of like ah, that's nasty, that's so gross to just paint brushes like that and because all these guys have chosen to align themselves with a certain ideology and or like way of living and then publicize it and monetize it.

01:07:35.661 --> 01:07:48.364
You know you could very easily like mirror that over onto like religious leaders, meaning, like you know, when a pastor does something, does something.

01:07:48.945 --> 01:07:53.257
Now, everybody every pastor is bad this every christian and all of his followers every do.

01:07:53.257 --> 01:07:54.586
Yeah, all that thing.

01:07:54.606 --> 01:07:58.885
So it's like meaning it's just similarly, and this is a much, it's a much smaller.

01:07:58.905 --> 01:08:42.246
We're talking about a much smaller, less, you know, consequential group being like the gun tuber community right, I'm not comparing that to any you know the, you know your, your faith, but the I just think you can with you're saying the broad strokes of that being like, because they've decided to elevate their face to represent more than themselves, they have a greater responsibility to um, you know, basically be in line, which is also like um, which is then it's something that I I wonder if they've, if other people, like grantham donut operator, these guys have thought of that also been like, hey, like I'm bigger than this, isn't just my me and my friends goofing around with firearms.

01:08:42.265 --> 01:08:55.154
This is like um like paul harrell says remember wherever you go you're representing a community exactly, and so I wonder if they've considered that in their life outside of you know, this little thing for them.

01:08:55.154 --> 01:09:06.009
So, yeah, it's definitely a messy situation and we hope the best for first the kids and then these adults to get their crap figured out, whether they end up together or not, you know.

01:09:06.009 --> 01:09:25.394
And then, um, family is a big deal and a big part of having a family I'm just shifting us over here big part of having a family is having a roof over that family, roof over the family you know, and uh, some people they just go out there start having kids.

01:09:25.613 --> 01:09:27.256
They figure it out later, yeah.

01:09:27.256 --> 01:09:39.747
But those of us who are more analytical, more data-driven and more thoughtful- hey hey, I'm just saying we buy it, buy a house before you, before you have kids.

01:09:39.747 --> 01:09:46.738
Maybe now pat's not in this case, but I'm just saying Old Mick just bought a house.

01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:49.328
So I bought a.

01:09:49.328 --> 01:09:53.297
Yeah, billy Jean and I just now entered into homeownership.

01:09:53.297 --> 01:09:54.591
How many bedrooms does it have?

01:09:54.591 --> 01:09:59.304
Well, three, but the basement is finished with like a bathroom and closet.

01:09:59.304 --> 01:10:02.154
Yeah, so I categorize that as like a possible fourth one day.

01:10:02.604 --> 01:10:04.270
So what I'm.

01:10:04.270 --> 01:10:08.186
So I'm just saying, like you want kids.

01:10:08.186 --> 01:10:12.524
I'm saying you're, you're, you're, you're planning and you're progressing and part of that's buying a house.

01:10:12.524 --> 01:10:24.670
So the home buying process in america today is crazy, yeah, compared to how it's ever been, and maybe every generation's always felt like it's crazy how it's always been.

01:10:24.670 --> 01:10:27.514
But it is exponentially crazy right now.

01:10:27.514 --> 01:10:32.180
And you did it, you closed, you got the keys it wasn't fun.

01:10:32.466 --> 01:10:34.456
You know I'll be honest, dude, buying a house is not fun.

01:10:34.456 --> 01:10:39.708
Like it's like everyone has this dream about it, fantasy about it, and you start doing it.

01:10:39.708 --> 01:10:48.717
Just a lot of ups and downs of emotions and very easy to like lose your cool, like.

01:10:48.717 --> 01:10:56.412
It took me a lot of patience to not like lose my temper in the whole process.

01:10:56.412 --> 01:11:05.100
Not like get in arguments with billy jean about stuff, and you know we had, we had to have like.

01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:31.277
You know, this has been like a multi-year thing of like trying to buy a house right and figure out the thing, and a lot of it is like I truly the expression I use the whole time is like you, you, I, from a believer perspective, you have to hold it with open hands and you have to just not want it so badly that you're going to hold on to it tight and make a bad decision or a rushed decision, right, right.

01:11:31.277 --> 01:12:04.972
And you know I'm not saying it's God's will you have a house or not, but I'm just saying like trust in God to help you make a good decision, trust in God's wisdom to like like let that lead you when you're like this is not wise, this isn't financially wise, this is an idol, right, that's the biggest thing is what I mean out of like, holding on to it tightly, is, like people make it an idol yeah, so many people make it an idol and like that's something that Billie Jean and I wrestled with in seasons of like is this an idol right now?

01:12:04.972 --> 01:12:06.987
We don't need it.

01:12:06.987 --> 01:12:09.192
We're two people in an apartment.

01:12:09.192 --> 01:12:12.217
It's totally fine, we can, we can deal.

01:12:12.217 --> 01:12:27.819
So, all that said, though, I was shocked at I was shocked at how affordable it is in a super high cost of living area like we are in right now.

01:12:29.006 --> 01:12:40.039
And I say affordable, like in quotes, I guess, right, like it is a lot of money, but you don't need $100,000.

01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.574
You don't even need close to that To get in, yeah, just to get a good house.

01:12:43.574 --> 01:12:45.795
You know what I mean To get something that you can get set up with well, but you need close to that To get in, yeah, just to get a good house.

01:12:45.795 --> 01:12:46.516
You know what I mean.

01:12:46.516 --> 01:12:55.355
To get something that you can get set up with well, but you need to have discretion, you need to be willing to have like, you need to have things that you concede.

01:12:55.355 --> 01:13:05.462
Right, and you know, for us, like, there was like a priority list and we wrote out the priority list and like, made it down to like what's too expensive.

01:13:05.984 --> 01:13:27.176
If we're looking at cost per square foot, you know and I tried to keep it I was like essentially like two hundred dollars cost per square foot starts tipping over to like I'm not sure this is financially a good investment, even if it was a three hundred thousand dollar house, 200 square foot is like less than 1500 square feet, right, you know what I mean.

01:13:27.176 --> 01:13:28.880
It's not that big, much bigger than an apartment.

01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.552
Yeah, now, there's nothing wrong with it If that's what you can afford.

01:13:31.552 --> 01:13:32.649
I'm not dogging on it.

01:13:32.649 --> 01:13:47.153
But where we live, you know, $300,000 for a 1000 to 1500 square foot place, good luck, you're getting, you're getting more of like a Gucci thing, yeah, and it's like is that a good financial investment?

01:13:47.153 --> 01:13:57.251
Cause, then you got your HOAs, you got your tax, all that stuff, right, and that's probably not the best investment for first time home buyers, right, trying to set themselves up for a family.

01:13:57.251 --> 01:13:59.051
Where are you going to put your kids when you start having kids?

01:13:59.051 --> 01:14:07.865
You know what I mean, for sure, for sure.

01:14:07.865 --> 01:14:09.631
So I mean I'm an open book with questions if you got anything that you can think of.

01:14:09.671 --> 01:14:22.528
But, like I will say that you know everything's said and done, our total cost to get like a really affordable mortgage for us, um, you know, rent where we're at right now was about to go up to 1800 plus.

01:14:22.528 --> 01:14:26.195
Uh, you know your, your utilities and stuff, your cable.

01:14:26.195 --> 01:14:27.016
For what?

01:14:27.016 --> 01:14:28.126
Well, not cable but internet.

01:14:28.126 --> 01:14:33.778
Um, so we were looking at like 1900 to $2,000 for a 900 square foot apartment Rent.

01:14:33.778 --> 01:14:35.908
Rent money is not an investment.

01:14:35.908 --> 01:14:37.291
Rent money gets thrown away.

01:14:37.291 --> 01:14:49.640
So for me I was like the deal has got to be better for for us financially as an investment than what we could be paying on rent.

01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:55.172
And after shopping around you know it was essentially we got a really good.

01:14:55.172 --> 01:14:58.759
We paid down the interest rate for the mortgage.

01:14:58.759 --> 01:15:03.777
We had the closer put $10,000 to buy the rate down.

01:15:03.777 --> 01:15:05.350
We bought it down with another $8,000.

01:15:05.350 --> 01:15:07.056
And total closing cost for us was $18,000 to buy the rate down.

01:15:07.077 --> 01:15:19.199
We bought it down with another 8,000 and total closing cost for us was $18,000 and change Um and that got us a rate of like 5.3, which is stellar right now.

01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:28.475
It's good right now, yeah, yeah, and I mean we probably won't see general availability of that rate without buying it down to that for years.

01:15:28.475 --> 01:16:02.756
Right, you know, you're talking three years out, probably right now with the current market and the current financial economic issues, and so we're sitting at a twenty nine hundred total HOA taxes, mortgage insurance, home insurance and principal and interest, and so with utilities, internet, all that stuff, we're looking at just a little over $3,000 a month for a 2,500 square foot high cost of living area.

01:16:02.756 --> 01:16:04.980
Right, is really good.

01:16:04.980 --> 01:16:12.828
Like most places you look online, especially when you're looking at them like zilla redfoot and they quote you like you know what you might be looking at monthly.

01:16:12.828 --> 01:16:22.592
Yeah, is like 36 to 4 000, yeah, you know, and so that and that's before your utilities before your mortgage interest, stuff like that.

01:16:22.653 --> 01:16:28.627
So, um, feels good, you know, it feels like that's definitely within our budget.

01:16:28.627 --> 01:16:37.796
You know, if one of us lost our jobs, like we could still pay that each month, we'd be pension right, but we could still pay that each month, right?

01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:47.368
so, and I think that's a super important point you just made, which was uh, um, as we enter the the Dave Ramsey part of the show, where is uh living off of?

01:16:47.368 --> 01:17:06.795
One income, the ability to right, you don't have to, but like the fact that, like I think, so many people go out there and overextend themselves in this place where it's like the both parties have to work and have and be making like a decent income to afford just their house.

01:17:07.136 --> 01:17:18.430
And then I feel like lots of people aren't even thinking about the fact that if they want to work or not which maybe they should, but also they aren't even thinking about the fact, like if they lost their job, if they didn't have that income.

01:17:18.430 --> 01:17:22.224
So meaning like they'd, like they're only think.

01:17:22.224 --> 01:17:26.974
A lot of times people aren't thinking like oh, I want to have a job, we'll be fine, versus like wait, what if?

01:17:26.974 --> 01:17:30.961
Like I don't have a job, yeah, and that can happen.

01:17:30.961 --> 01:17:49.609
Like uh, especially like the larger the company you work for, or also the smaller two, depending on like what it is like you could walk in one day and they're like we're letting you go yeah, if it's a huge company, they're like um, your department has been deleted yeah like, like the whole thing.

01:17:49.630 --> 01:17:52.055
They're like, yeah, you're like, so I don't have a job.

01:17:52.055 --> 01:17:56.237
And they're like, yeah, you're okay, great, like what the hell did?

01:17:56.237 --> 01:17:58.024
I do also like in a small company too.

01:17:58.024 --> 01:18:04.173
The small company can be like um, we're done the company's gone.

01:18:04.173 --> 01:18:05.376
Yeah, like what do you mean?

01:18:05.376 --> 01:18:11.048
I'm like uh, we're done, like the whole thing that I so like, so you don't have a job either.

01:18:11.048 --> 01:18:13.854
And he's like Nope, like all right.

01:18:13.993 --> 01:18:18.050
Like oh, my God, so um it, just like those things could happen.

01:18:18.050 --> 01:18:29.130
So, um, living within your means is so important content within that too.

01:18:29.130 --> 01:18:34.952
But then also it sounds like you know a relatively like uh, like the numbers you're throwing out there too, for for people's benefit, you know, is like, um, it's attainable, you can get there, you can get in a place.

01:18:34.952 --> 01:18:36.779
I'm like you did, I bet you did like.

01:18:36.779 --> 01:18:40.389
I feel like you're a pretty like data driven person.

01:18:40.389 --> 01:18:42.532
Oh, it's my job, right, so it.

01:18:42.532 --> 01:18:50.203
So it's like do you like when you purchase something, you think through the ramifications of that in the budget?

01:18:50.925 --> 01:18:52.411
Yeah, like I've done the budget.

01:18:52.645 --> 01:18:58.591
So if we pay right now, I'm even talking about like, just like Like, if you go out to Chipotle.

01:19:00.069 --> 01:19:00.811
Oh, not that much.

01:19:00.811 --> 01:19:05.377
I'm not calling you a penny pincher but I mean you're thinking about it.

01:19:09.211 --> 01:19:24.255
Yeah, I will say that I have a very strong average of expenditure each month that I understand we can operate in comfortably and I know what we can kind of do and fit into that.

01:19:24.255 --> 01:19:38.686
And so, like I'm not thinking like okay, budgeting for us to go out to dinner tonight, you know, or budget, like I need a budget and plan and foresee like what it's going to cost for us to like treat, you know, the parents to dinner or something.

01:19:38.686 --> 01:19:40.872
I just kind of have a general idea of like I know what the cost of this is probably going to be this evening.

01:19:40.872 --> 01:19:41.795
I know how that fits into our monthly budget.

01:19:41.795 --> 01:19:43.439
You know, the parents to dinner or something I just kind of have a general idea of.

01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:44.863
Like I know what the cost of this is probably going to be this evening.

01:19:44.863 --> 01:19:46.307
I know how that fits into our monthly budget.

01:19:46.307 --> 01:19:47.752
You know things like that.

01:19:47.752 --> 01:19:51.985
Um, so yeah, I mean I, yeah I am very data driven.

01:19:51.985 --> 01:20:10.251
I did like the stuff where I essentially just put out like our income and how much of that we could save each month towards the house, and we've been doing that for like over a year now and we were we were saving 30% from each paycheck to go right into saving for a house, nice, and that's.

01:20:10.251 --> 01:20:24.506
You know, that's including, like, post investments to your retirement, post, you know, healthcare costs, whatever, right, right, um, and so that really helped me understand, like, what we could afford.

01:20:24.587 --> 01:20:42.640
The biggest thing, though, is, honestly, like I think the biggest thing that people just don't understand when it comes to buying a house is just shopping around for mortgage like rate, and you know we're not sponsored or anything like that, yeah, but we did ours through Better Mortgage and they made it super easy.

01:20:43.725 --> 01:20:47.215
Ally is also like their baby parent company.

01:20:47.215 --> 01:20:47.576
I don't know.

01:20:47.576 --> 01:21:39.536
I think Better owns Ally, but you just can answer their questions of what your income and all that stuff is, upload a statement of your income, and then they just have a PDFdf document of pre-approval with the rate you select and what you're looking to either buy down to or not, and so, like, you can just adjust that on the fly, right to like where you're looking at, like financially, and so, like I knew with that, like, okay, now, yeah, rates do change over time, um, but I knew, like this is the down payment is going to cost to get this rate, which will give us this monthly cost, and now I'm going to look for houses that are within that budget or below it, right?

01:21:39.536 --> 01:21:41.225
Um, and that's another big thing, dude.

01:21:41.225 --> 01:21:44.931
I've met so many people who just aren't willing to look at houses below.

01:21:45.552 --> 01:21:48.559
Right, they're like, no, no, no, I need this, it needs to be this.

01:21:48.559 --> 01:21:53.507
I'm just like, okay, it doesn't though your first house.

01:21:53.507 --> 01:21:54.953
This is my mentality too.

01:21:54.953 --> 01:21:55.836
We bought a townhome.

01:21:55.836 --> 01:22:04.630
A big reason we bought a townhome is plan is to rent it out one day.

01:22:04.630 --> 01:22:05.693
The plan is this not be our forever home?

01:22:05.693 --> 01:22:06.837
This might be our first home.

01:22:06.837 --> 01:22:22.198
We're in until kiddos are going to school, right, and then we might like hopefully we're financially a point where we can buy a house with, you know, a little bit of land on it and like have that like independent ownership, no hoa or whatever, right, right, and we can rent this thing out.

01:22:22.719 --> 01:22:28.662
Yeah, um, and a lot of people I see are in this trap of like the first home they're gonna buy.

01:22:28.662 --> 01:22:36.693
They've never owned a home before, or maybe they owned an apartment, but now they want to buy a house and they're like I got it, this has to be it.

01:22:36.693 --> 01:22:39.426
I need to find the house I'm living in for the rest of my life.

01:22:39.426 --> 01:22:44.797
I was like, okay, like You're looking at something super expensive in a lot of markets.

01:22:45.648 --> 01:22:46.712
Yeah, those would be good words.

01:22:46.712 --> 01:22:51.729
One thing you were saying was shopping around to find your mortgage Because Israel.

01:22:51.729 --> 01:22:54.756
You're the guy who's kind of like knowing.

01:22:54.756 --> 01:23:00.037
If you're in the back of your mind, you're thinking about the impact on the budget.

01:23:00.037 --> 01:23:02.591
I'm the magic plastic card guy.

01:23:02.591 --> 01:23:05.128
I'm like where's this come from?

01:23:05.128 --> 01:23:07.113
Nowhere, it's just the magic plastic card.

01:23:07.113 --> 01:23:08.537
You just tap it, it's gone.

01:23:08.537 --> 01:23:09.969
So you don't have to swipe it anymore.

01:23:09.969 --> 01:23:11.854
Yeah, you don't have to put it in now, you just tap it.

01:23:11.854 --> 01:23:14.529
It's like got it for whatever it is.

01:23:14.529 --> 01:23:18.798
And it's funny if I buy a stick of gum, what's my, what do I have to do?

01:23:18.798 --> 01:23:20.788
Tap it.

01:23:20.788 --> 01:23:23.546
If I buy something for five thousand dollars, what do I have to do?

01:23:24.207 --> 01:23:26.811
tap it same it's like to me.

01:23:26.811 --> 01:23:32.733
It's like the same amount of money just left, but it's not the same amount of money and then I like seem to over like the like.

01:23:32.733 --> 01:23:36.368
I'm also the one and done guy which would be like google.

01:23:36.368 --> 01:23:39.793
Like I'd google like mortgage.

01:23:39.793 --> 01:23:41.115
I, that's all I'd write.

01:23:41.115 --> 01:23:42.757
I'd Google mortgage.

01:23:42.757 --> 01:23:45.609
Whoever's paying the most for ads, click on it.

01:23:45.609 --> 01:23:54.444
And I'm a little exaggerating here, but you know, click on it like fill out the form and just be like approved and you're like all right, I guess that's what it is.

01:23:54.525 --> 01:23:54.845
You know.

01:23:55.247 --> 01:24:06.048
And then so um and uh, and so it's good, good to have like your uh, live within your means in mind, as well as like shop around for the right thing.

01:24:06.048 --> 01:24:17.007
And then the other thing which I'm actually more aligned with you on would be like the you don't have to go, like at that limit or above necessarily, is like for the house.

01:24:17.007 --> 01:24:19.853
I had a friend once, who they were.

01:24:19.853 --> 01:24:25.532
They were strapped for cash, so bad, and they were looking to rent a house and they found this spot.

01:24:25.532 --> 01:24:29.972
That would have been, it would have been a great house for them, a rental, not a purchase.

01:24:29.972 --> 01:24:33.671
But the cabinets In the kitchen were from the 80's.

01:24:33.671 --> 01:24:35.150
Oh my god, who cares?

01:24:35.150 --> 01:24:38.634
And she said I will not live in a house like this.

01:24:38.634 --> 01:24:39.376
Oh my gosh.

01:24:39.376 --> 01:24:40.609
And they didn't rent it.

01:24:41.725 --> 01:24:43.069
Even though it met every other need.

01:24:44.212 --> 01:24:44.453
Yeah.

01:24:44.854 --> 01:24:45.315
Exceeded.

01:24:46.106 --> 01:24:57.652
And when we're talking needs too, like back to the hierarchy of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, like we got to get back to that as individuals, especially as Americans, westerners, and then as just individuals, like what do you actually need?

01:24:57.652 --> 01:25:07.859
And like you can live with like need and like you can live with like okay, if the carpet is like stained and stinks and like is disgusting, like yeah, that's got to get torn out.

01:25:07.899 --> 01:25:08.863
It's a health thing you know and like.

01:25:08.863 --> 01:25:20.059
But if it's a color you don't like, if the carpet's a color you don't like, you'll be fine, yeah like somebody can fix it and so like, um, if there's not, if the backsplash?

01:25:20.298 --> 01:25:23.793
the kitchen might even have a backsplash, but it doesn't go all the way to the ceiling.

01:25:23.793 --> 01:25:24.735
Shut the hell up.

01:25:24.735 --> 01:25:25.417
You're 27.

01:25:25.417 --> 01:25:29.234
Maybe when you're 50, you can get a backsplash that goes all the way to the ceiling.

01:25:29.234 --> 01:25:32.913
You know, like and so like the there's these things.

01:25:32.913 --> 01:25:37.250
Like we get in our mind that we just need, by the way, a backsplash to go all the way up to the ceiling.

01:25:37.250 --> 01:25:39.675
If your husband's worth a dang, he could do that in one day.

01:25:39.675 --> 01:25:42.338
Or if he has a friend who's worth a dang, you do it in one day.

01:25:42.338 --> 01:25:43.206
Like, you know, like, just like.

01:25:43.206 --> 01:25:51.479
It's not like, don't pay $60,000 more for a house because it has the backsplash or the gray floor.

01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:56.975
Then you know, for whatever reason, what's in right now is the gray floor you know the fake gray floor.

01:25:57.176 --> 01:26:18.987
Yeah, that's what you need Fake gray floor, floor, white tile, backsplash, and so what I'm getting at is like, for some reason, like people would go spend an extra 150, 200k on a house just because they feel like aesthetics and they'd be like, oh, that's so kitschy, like you know, like I can't do gold milk.

01:26:19.247 --> 01:26:20.189
Gold milk so 90s.

01:26:20.189 --> 01:26:24.376
Gold milk so 90s, okay, okay, listen, does it hold your plates?

01:26:24.376 --> 01:26:29.527
And then, yes, okay, by the way, a base, the baseboard, is stained a color you don't like.

01:26:29.527 --> 01:26:31.414
Do you even know what a baseboard's purpose is for?

01:26:31.414 --> 01:26:32.820
No, you don't so.

01:26:32.820 --> 01:26:36.429
So it's like, just just stop, like, like, just stop like.

01:26:36.429 --> 01:26:40.395
It's like um uh with that.

01:26:40.395 --> 01:26:44.039
Also, what I said before is all these 27 year olds want to live like 50 year olds.

01:26:44.565 --> 01:26:47.751
It's like we all want to, and I'm guilty of this too.

01:26:47.751 --> 01:26:52.377
It's like, yeah, I do want, I want to own, like at the moment.

01:26:52.377 --> 01:26:58.713
I wish I owned two businesses and had a third rental house, and I wish I vacationed in Europe every year yeah.

01:26:59.005 --> 01:27:04.050
You know, and for some reason, I, part of a part of me does feel like I do deserve that at the moment.

01:27:04.050 --> 01:27:08.556
Right, like there's a thing I mean it's like that's how my life's supposed to be also, no, it's not supposed to be like that.

01:27:08.556 --> 01:27:15.175
Like you are starting a family, you're getting your feet underneath you, like you're it's just it's stop.

01:27:15.175 --> 01:27:17.099
Stop scrolling on.

01:27:17.099 --> 01:27:23.863
You know, especially like, oh my god, like the certain people's instagram like algorithm.

01:27:24.003 --> 01:27:50.115
Mine is mine and your like youtube algorithm is pretty much the same in line yeah, but it's like other like I feel like lots of my buddies, wives and my wife's like instagram algorithm is like so many pinterest houses of perfect mormon wives it is the mormon church is investing so much into listen like social media and listen all those ladies, husbands are dentists.

01:27:50.377 --> 01:27:51.827
Sorry, we're not going to buy you a house.

01:27:51.827 --> 01:27:55.695
It's 1.5 million yet, okay, but um, anyways, it's like.

01:27:55.695 --> 01:27:56.786
So that's the standard.

01:27:56.786 --> 01:27:57.368
Stops like.

01:27:57.368 --> 01:28:11.198
And I'm not just, I'm not hard like, I'm not dogging on the ladies too, like, guys too like, yeah, my thing would be like I should have five acres and a tractor and, like you know, in a, in a shop in the side, like you know, like all that stuff, but it's like, it's.

01:28:11.198 --> 01:28:18.957
All I'm saying is it's okay to have cabinets from the 80s and someday you could fix them for sure.

01:28:19.176 --> 01:28:20.786
Yeah, no, I in like that's what I mean.

01:28:20.786 --> 01:28:25.373
Like you gotta, you gotta concede on things like I think you know the.

01:28:25.373 --> 01:28:40.518
The conceding thing a big one for me was just like conceding like the idea like first time house is gonna have a yard, right, like there's so many houses that we saw that are like new builds and like they're new builds, they're built really fast.

01:28:40.518 --> 01:28:42.412
There's a lot of sketchiness about them.

01:28:42.412 --> 01:28:59.274
You don't get a basement, which, for where we live, is like pretty unusual, I feel like, for, like most homes come with a basement, um, and uh, the build quality is like everything looks really nice, but like you don't know the longevity of that stuff, and it's sketchy.

01:28:59.274 --> 01:29:08.809
When you find out like, oh yeah, home warranty is one year, it's like okay, but the loan is 30, yeah, like it seems to me like you don't have that much confidence in the longevity of this stuff.

01:29:09.851 --> 01:29:18.707
Um, and a big one, too, is like a lot of them just don't have yards, like they're in ticky, tacky neighborhoods where, like they have a very tiny footprint, um, so they can squeeze more in.

01:29:18.707 --> 01:29:24.439
Um, and for me, I just just saw that and I was like, okay, here's the truth.

01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:30.373
This goes out to anyone else who's listening, who's like I want to buy a house, so bad, I want to be a homeowner.

01:29:30.373 --> 01:29:33.011
I feel like, or like even to guys.

01:29:33.011 --> 01:29:42.515
I know single guys who aren't married, they're not dating anyone, they're just single guys who feel like I financially recognize renting is throwing money away.

01:29:42.515 --> 01:29:45.288
Right, I want to have a wealthy investment.

01:29:45.328 --> 01:29:47.735
That's the one that gets a lot of us is feeling like you're wasting it.

01:29:47.756 --> 01:29:49.847
Yeah, and I'm telling you right now.

01:29:49.847 --> 01:30:04.358
Here's the good news boomers are going to die and boomers currently own still something like uh, I think it's right now.

01:30:04.358 --> 01:30:14.525
Currently, they own 42 of the homes in america, all right, and they primarily own homes, not property, is what I'm saying.

01:30:14.525 --> 01:30:34.631
Like, they own homes, yeah, millennials, oh, 51 of millennials homeowners but a lot of that is like condos, apartments, stuff like that, right, um, when the boomers die, there are a larger population of them that own homes, real homes, than we do.

01:30:36.052 --> 01:31:00.033
Someone will need to buy those houses and if, and the person who will get it is the person who has more liquidity, more cash saved up, and so, like, if you feel like that is out of reach, if you feel like the home, the dream home, it's got a yard, it's got trees, it's got a fence, it's got a garage, you know, if you feel like that is out of reach, it is not out of reach forever.

01:31:00.756 --> 01:31:23.729
You just need to save money and be patient and have open hands, because when I say this is like I love my grandfather, I love my mama, they're technically both baby boomers, um, but I know just like their circle is shrinking every year because of health, and like people are dying and people are having to sell things, and they're selling their.

01:31:23.729 --> 01:31:39.188
They're selling their mountain townhouse, they're selling their mountain condo, they're settling their beach house in florida, they're and they're shrinking right, because they don't have the health and ability to go use those things and they need the money, or they want the money, right, they, you know.

01:31:39.188 --> 01:31:40.110
So they're selling assets.

01:31:40.110 --> 01:31:42.966
So just give it time, because we're about to.

01:31:42.966 --> 01:31:44.189
We're in the next.

01:31:44.792 --> 01:32:03.158
People say if you want to look it up, look at the 20 like uh, america in 2030, the next five to ten years if you just google america in 2030, you'll see all this doom and gloom stuff about like, essentially, the population crisis too many like, uh, boomers and older gen xers and not enough of us to support them financially.

01:32:03.158 --> 01:32:12.567
It is going to be a painful burden on taxes and finances to support an older, larger population, but they will die.

01:32:12.567 --> 01:32:21.592
And then what happens is there's going to be a vacuum and an insane transfer of wealth and material assets.

01:32:21.592 --> 01:32:29.065
And when that happens is when you want to have the cash and if that and if you're like I need that house, dude, you, that will be the time.

01:32:29.065 --> 01:32:39.194
Yeah, now I'm talking like 2030 to 2040 is a time when most people right now who are 25 to 35 are going to become insanely wealthy.

01:32:39.194 --> 01:32:42.225
Yeah, and between 2035 and 2040.

01:32:42.704 --> 01:32:47.978
And the other thing to think about if you're savvy is business ownership Yep.

01:32:48.826 --> 01:32:49.408
Which hey man.

01:32:49.429 --> 01:33:01.310
I don't know diddly about, because in the same sense that they're like, I would bet that the percentage of business ownership is pretty similar to, like boomer, to millennial.

01:33:01.310 --> 01:33:05.807
To millennial of business ownership is pretty similar to like boomer to millennial millennial.

01:33:05.807 --> 01:33:23.668
Now, uh, if you're doing a actual like business to business ratio, that would be way skewed because, like I've done, like seven businesses but like six of those have made like zero dollars right, so like yeah right, right and so, but um, and meaning how everybody, lots of people right now, are starting their own little thing.

01:33:23.849 --> 01:33:34.067
But if you're doing like a cash value or like you know, like the, the value of the market, of what, what businesses are making money, it's the, the boomers on those.

01:33:34.067 --> 01:33:47.270
And so then also, like here's the deal, young guy, save your money, buy a house and then buy another house, buy a service business, buy a restaurant, buy another service business, like.

01:33:47.270 --> 01:33:55.115
You'll be able to do all that if you like, if you play the game right and just like hit it right and shop.

01:33:55.115 --> 01:33:58.907
Well like those, things are becoming available oh, yeah, yeah.

01:33:58.947 --> 01:34:09.073
And I think, like from what I understand about business stuff too is like it's just like buying a house, like you don't need to buy it all at once yeah, like it's, buying businesses can be cheaper than buying houses, for sure for sure.

01:34:09.715 --> 01:34:16.413
Um, and usually you don't have to get like mortgage insurance, you don't pay an hoa.

01:34:16.413 --> 01:34:17.577
You know what I mean, stuff like that.

01:34:17.577 --> 01:34:27.141
Um, all I said, though, I get like that's kind of like where I'm at and like my mentality is like we just need to get our foot in the door into owning something.

01:34:27.141 --> 01:34:30.369
Stop throwing money away on rent, you know.

01:34:30.369 --> 01:34:30.631
Don't.

01:34:30.631 --> 01:34:34.238
Don't just leave cash sitting in the bank, you know.

01:34:34.238 --> 01:34:58.002
Save up cash so that way you can put it in an, in an easily liquidated investment, whether that's just like buying s&p 500 stock, like by the spy, I'm like, I'm like don't even don't put it in the bank, put it in straight cash in your safe or make it an asset I mean, yeah, always turn, always convert cash assets.

01:34:58.182 --> 01:34:58.885
That's my argument.

01:34:58.885 --> 01:35:08.270
Never let it just sit, because our inflation is so bad right now that it's not your cash is never going to be worth more tomorrow, and especially with inflation.

01:35:08.270 --> 01:35:11.277
Here's the cool thing too about it is like I've bought my home.

01:35:11.277 --> 01:35:17.417
Now I have, you know, I don't know like X amount left on the mortgage to pay off.

01:35:17.417 --> 01:35:21.632
Right, inflation makes it cheaper.

01:35:21.632 --> 01:35:26.786
Like inflation lowers debt.

01:35:26.786 --> 01:35:34.592
So the sooner you can get that debt that you can afford to pay monthly, the better, because inflation like debt, doesn't increase with inflation over time.

01:35:35.536 --> 01:35:48.559
Uh, you, as long as you're making your payments, you're going to be like you're going to your capital to make that payment will increase over time due to inflation, and so, um, that's kind of my mentality about it.

01:35:48.559 --> 01:35:51.976
Is like get your foot in the door as soon as you can on something you can afford.

01:35:51.976 --> 01:35:59.478
If you're a single dude, there's no reason you should be renting, in my opinion, like with the ability to single dude or single lady, I think.

01:35:59.478 --> 01:36:12.739
I think more single women should just buy that, buy apartment, like do what you can to just get something now that you can come to own one day and rent out or, you know, leveraged for larger loan to buy a home.

01:36:12.739 --> 01:36:25.311
You know what I mean, right, stuff like that, so that way you're not throwing that rent money away and your, your, your money's going into an investment, building liquidity, um, and you know, that's kind of like the idea for us.

01:36:25.332 --> 01:36:31.231
So all I said, though I mean, I've been a homeowner for a couple weeks you did it though.

01:36:31.231 --> 01:36:32.055
Yeah, you did.

01:36:32.055 --> 01:36:34.101
It feels good, man, it feels good, uh.

01:36:34.101 --> 01:36:36.930
It is weird though, um, and it is, it is uh.

01:36:36.930 --> 01:36:38.395
So stressful.

01:36:38.494 --> 01:36:42.125
And now, if you need a new roof, that's on you actually it's not.

01:36:42.125 --> 01:36:50.091
But if you need a new water heater, that is like you know it's like yeah yeah, no, I feel good.

01:36:50.131 --> 01:36:51.054
Our water heater is good.

01:36:51.054 --> 01:36:53.487
The one thing I was researching the other day ac units.

01:36:53.487 --> 01:36:55.613
Yeah, they don't make them like they used to.

01:36:55.613 --> 01:37:06.298
Nope, hvac, the hvac community community, unanimously is an agreeance that the days of 30-year-old AC units are long gone.

01:37:06.298 --> 01:37:19.677
If a unit manufactured in the last 10 years, last 10 years, that's a damn good unit, because they've engineered them to fail after 10 to 15 years, oh yeah.

01:37:20.747 --> 01:37:23.113
And the furnace is awesome.

01:37:23.113 --> 01:37:38.615
I had a hvac guy come do a quote on a house for me the other day and they're just like, um, the furnace had only been in there for like five years and he's like, and we were just trying to get some stuff fixed up and he was like we were trying to get new ducting ran and he's like I can't even run new ducts on this.

01:37:38.615 --> 01:37:42.015
Like, uh, you gotta get a whole new system.

01:37:42.015 --> 01:37:43.146
It's going to be 30 grand.

01:37:43.347 --> 01:37:46.234
Oh my gosh, I was like he's like none of this is to code.

01:37:46.234 --> 01:37:47.658
I was like dude, shut the hell up.

01:37:47.658 --> 01:37:50.408
You didn't hire him, by the way.

01:37:50.408 --> 01:37:52.475
Yeah, it's like oh my gosh.

01:37:53.645 --> 01:38:06.287
That was for a house that you were working on, or what yeah, yeah so but it's just like uh, anyways it, the hvac stuff.

01:38:06.287 --> 01:38:06.507
It's rowdy.

01:38:06.507 --> 01:38:06.929
Oh yeah, make it last.

01:38:06.929 --> 01:38:13.851
Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, I mean I'm a big believer in like someone's got to come on eventually to upset it and just make great aftermarket parts.

01:38:14.092 --> 01:38:27.990
Yeah, to replace them all, but it's just like anything else right now, like so much regulation and stuff um sure, one of my dreams it's a horrible dream is to make appliances that last 60 to 80 years.

01:38:27.990 --> 01:38:33.746
Um, but I'd go out of business so fast but who knows, man, you know what I mean.

01:38:33.786 --> 01:38:35.832
Like you have a, you just gotta you just.

01:38:35.832 --> 01:38:36.753
Here's the thing.

01:38:36.753 --> 01:38:43.398
As long as you keep it private, yeah you just you have the business business, live and supply until you're dead.

01:38:43.398 --> 01:38:45.171
Then it doesn't matter anymore.

01:38:45.171 --> 01:38:52.654
But it's like one of those things of like oh, no one's buying any more new toasters because this toaster lasts 50, 60 years.

01:38:52.654 --> 01:38:55.594
It's like, well, that business is going to go out of business.

01:38:55.594 --> 01:38:59.756
The dude who created that made his 10 mil and died.

01:38:59.756 --> 01:39:02.211
It doesn't matter if it goes out of business.

01:39:02.230 --> 01:39:03.213
Yeah, that's true.

01:39:03.213 --> 01:39:03.855
That's true.

01:39:03.855 --> 01:39:08.672
I think it'd be great just to come out with like this refrigerator will outlive you.

01:39:08.672 --> 01:39:16.850
It does cost five grand, which is a lot, but you'll spend 20 on refrigerators in your lifetime at the rate you're going.

01:39:17.608 --> 01:39:18.412
Yeah exactly.

01:39:21.105 --> 01:39:39.197
Last thing here, just for all those out there who are Speaking of life expectancies, those of you out there who are zen enjoyers, nicotine pouch enjoyers I've just, you know all the talk about zen being out unavailable and all that.

01:39:39.197 --> 01:39:45.953
I just wanted to speak some truth to the rumors and give some options out here for our homies who are struggling.

01:39:45.953 --> 01:39:47.318
Because what are these rumors?

01:39:47.318 --> 01:40:00.229
Well, the rumors were that, like, zen was going to get banned, like Jewel Pods were, and that Zen was like the manufacturing plant caught on fire and burnt down, and so that's why there's the shortage.

01:40:00.229 --> 01:40:15.269
You know all this stuff, but one thing that came up, and this was like some dude just being like, yeah, zen is uh, they're being, they're referring to as the gas station ozempic because it reduces appetite, and people are just zenning so they don't eat and lose weight.

01:40:15.269 --> 01:40:19.877
And I'm like man, where's the zen at?

01:40:19.877 --> 01:40:21.541
Yeah, tell me about this.

01:40:21.541 --> 01:40:23.364
That will also work as a weight loss supplement.

01:40:23.364 --> 01:40:26.871
Yeah, uh, because you know I zen regularly.

01:40:26.871 --> 01:40:29.657
I don't think I've lost weight from zenning.

01:40:30.398 --> 01:40:35.514
I uh I eat to zen sometimes, you know okay.

01:40:35.514 --> 01:40:45.011
So back in the day they'd always be like you know, as a child of the 90s I I remember smoking sections and people outside smoking People would be like after a meal enjoying a cigarette.

01:40:45.011 --> 01:40:46.692
I'm like that's disgusting.

01:40:46.692 --> 01:40:47.432
What's wrong with you?

01:40:47.432 --> 01:40:55.939
And then I found, for whatever reason, after a meal, a little bit of nicotine is one of the best things in the world.

01:40:55.939 --> 01:40:57.720
I just don't agree bro.

01:40:57.780 --> 01:40:59.442
It makes my stomach so upset Really.

01:41:01.045 --> 01:41:10.179
If I've eaten a full meal, it's the thing for me, and so sometimes I'm like if I want to enjoy a good Zen, I'll go have a fourth meal.

01:41:10.179 --> 01:41:13.731
It's 8.30, 9.30 at night.

01:41:13.731 --> 01:41:15.912
I'm going to warm up some leftovers.

01:41:16.645 --> 01:41:27.890
Yeah that is bad eating habits bro, that's what I'm saying I'm going to eat those leftovers, I'm gonna throw in a nice zen.

01:41:27.890 --> 01:41:28.673
Uh, so it's not working for me either.

01:41:28.673 --> 01:41:29.858
As far as weight loss goes, my ritual is right before.

01:41:29.858 --> 01:41:36.414
I know I've said it before, but like, literally, like I will kiss my wife good night, tell billy g and I love her, and I say I'm gonna go have a zen.

01:41:36.414 --> 01:41:41.234
I just walk to the bathroom and I just throw three.

01:41:41.234 --> 01:41:49.536
Hey man, if I like, if I'm feeling good, if I hadn't had any zen that day, throw four pouches, oh man, just two up top, two on the bottom.

01:41:49.536 --> 01:41:59.273
It just continually moving that, moving them around with my tongue, and I just sit and take a dookie and after that dookie's done, go to bed.

01:42:00.015 --> 01:42:01.318
That's how I catch up on my youtubes.

01:42:01.318 --> 01:42:03.310
That's like.

01:42:03.310 --> 01:42:06.551
That is like my most like consistent, like dude, literally.

01:42:06.551 --> 01:42:23.606
The other night when we were last night in the apartment uh, last night we were sleeping there before we moved everything out I was like three zins on taking a duke, uh-huh, and I hear this like pop bang sound coming out from like somewhere in my apartment complex.

01:42:23.606 --> 01:42:28.166
I hear, I can hear, because the bathroom is right against the like outside walls to the stairway.

01:42:28.166 --> 01:42:35.369
I can hear people running down the stairs real fast and I was like in my you guys know, when you have enough zim, like you get the sleepies.

01:42:35.369 --> 01:42:39.850
Yeah, you're like a little like everything's sluggish and I was like oh, mid loaf.

01:42:39.890 --> 01:42:45.814
Yeah, I was like, yeah, and I was like all right, I have to pinch that off, because what if that was a gunshot?

01:42:45.814 --> 01:42:53.506
And I literally like pinched it off, did a wipe, pulled up, walked out, went to grab my gun and like because I don't take my gun off?

01:42:53.506 --> 01:42:55.252
And then I told him I asked billy jean.

01:42:55.252 --> 01:42:56.194
I was like you hear that bang?

01:42:56.194 --> 01:42:57.065
And she's like brushing her teeth.

01:42:57.065 --> 01:43:03.675
She's like yeah, and I was like I'm going to go look real quick and like when I look nothing going on.

01:43:04.396 --> 01:43:14.408
It's like all right, close the door, go back, put the gun away, go back, resume deuce, and like it was one of those things, though, where I was like reaction time is definitely slower.

01:43:14.408 --> 01:43:22.980
You know when you're when you're zenning, Um, but, but it's a, you know it don't come into my home, man, just like I'm telling this right now.

01:43:22.980 --> 01:43:24.042
You know you guys are listening.

01:43:24.042 --> 01:43:36.016
You might think like all right, that's how we'll get mick, we'll catch him off guard at night when he's in 9 30 yeah, no, you won't, son, I'm still able, I'm, I'm on the edge, ready to respond, baby, all right so what was this?

01:43:36.198 --> 01:43:38.323
what was this garbage doctor doing?

01:43:38.323 --> 01:43:38.664
Yeah, dude.

01:43:38.685 --> 01:43:47.778
This health expert on fox is like it's you know a weight loss thing and like by the time I'm down to read it at the end of the article, he's running his own health like clinic.

01:43:47.778 --> 01:43:50.012
That is designed around real late.

01:43:50.012 --> 01:43:55.369
Real quote weight loss treatments in his own proprietary weight loss product called liquid vita.

01:43:55.369 --> 01:43:56.554
He's like you should do this.

01:43:56.554 --> 01:43:57.576
It's way healthier for you.

01:43:57.576 --> 01:43:59.186
It doesn't have any side effects of nicotine.

01:43:59.186 --> 01:44:04.055
I'm like it's goop in a bottle, bro, like that is supposed to be what.

01:44:04.055 --> 01:44:05.698
There is no weight loss supplement.

01:44:05.698 --> 01:44:06.319
That's not goop.

01:44:06.599 --> 01:44:15.319
Yeah, so the guy who is was standing to profit by he was standing to profit while dunking on zinners.

01:44:17.829 --> 01:44:18.992
Anyways, I thought that was interesting.

01:44:18.992 --> 01:44:21.737
Uh, rumors of the fire at a zen factory.

01:44:21.737 --> 01:44:26.252
So for those who don't know, zen, originally created by a swedish manufacturer.

01:44:26.252 --> 01:44:29.006
The swedes, the swedes, love snuff dude.

01:44:29.006 --> 01:44:32.713
Oh yeah, sweden is like the number one producer of snuff.

01:44:32.713 --> 01:44:34.757
They invented it, and did they?

01:44:34.757 --> 01:44:36.167
Oh, I didn't know.

01:44:36.167 --> 01:44:37.931
They invented it mad respect.

01:44:38.012 --> 01:44:39.917
It's why they, it's why they have like no smoking.

01:44:39.917 --> 01:44:40.907
Now they like.

01:44:40.907 --> 01:44:41.368
I believe it.

01:44:41.368 --> 01:44:44.975
It was probably like snuff was a part of like they like don't smoke, they just snuff it up.

01:44:45.036 --> 01:44:47.310
Yeah, people told me like I was reading stuff on reddit.

01:44:47.310 --> 01:44:57.828
People were like yeah, everyone in sweden babies, babies, guys in their mouth like and uh, lung cancer rates went plummeted, oh yeah oh yeah, um, but anyways, um.

01:44:57.828 --> 01:45:01.439
So there was a fire at this factory.

01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:07.634
Just so you guys know, the Swedish company that makes Zen was bought out by the company that makes all the cigarettes.

01:45:07.634 --> 01:45:11.291
I can't remember the name off the top of my head it's like P something.

01:45:11.310 --> 01:45:11.853
The big one.

01:45:13.350 --> 01:45:21.984
The Marvel company, but they have a factory in Sweden that did catch on fire, but it didn't burn down or anything like that Can you get high from Zen fumes?

01:45:23.832 --> 01:45:24.355
I don't think so.

01:45:24.376 --> 01:45:25.545
Here's the thing that most people don't know.

01:45:25.545 --> 01:45:34.668
I realized this for a lot of these pouches it's salt infused with the nicotine, but that is in like coated on.

01:45:34.668 --> 01:45:37.472
It's like, what's in the pouches is paper.

01:45:37.472 --> 01:45:56.934
They call it wood, uh, wood mulch or wood something, and so the pouches just have essentially fine powderized paper in them that has that like hold the nicotine and uh salt on it, and so that's how you can like kind of.

01:45:56.934 --> 01:46:04.350
I mean honestly, if you have a zen pouch in for a while, it kind of does feel like you got just paper that went soft in your mouth, right, um.

01:46:04.350 --> 01:46:09.899
But I imagine a factory with all that Powderized paper can light up pretty quick.

01:46:09.899 --> 01:46:10.784
You know what I mean.

01:46:10.784 --> 01:46:14.159
It sounds to me like it's a recipe for fire.

01:46:14.551 --> 01:46:15.184
My god seasons.

01:46:15.867 --> 01:46:18.911
Yeah, um, but uh, anyways, so that one didn't burn down.

01:46:18.911 --> 01:46:26.354
But here's the good news there's a factory in Good old Lexington, kentucky, and that is the producer of all the Zen in America.

01:46:26.354 --> 01:46:33.055
And the reason someone from their post on Reddit they worked there they said, guys, kentucky Lexington factory's fine.

01:46:33.055 --> 01:46:47.637
The supplier of the cans and lids had an issue and can't meet the demand and that's why there's the shortage, which makes sense, because I noticed a couple other similar cans of similar sizes have gone out of stock.

01:46:47.637 --> 01:46:57.414
My usual go-to substitutes for Zen are running low as well, and so they expect the resupply to be completed by the end of the year.

01:46:57.414 --> 01:47:11.542
That is too long, I know, but in the meantime we have our opinions on some subbies here, some subs for our listeners to you know zen, to um dude, sesh, sesh is great.

01:47:11.962 --> 01:47:24.954
I bought three cans of sesh, different flavors, big like fat, like I'm talking like inch and a half long pouches, like a full horseshoe, yeah, and like they were like nine milligrams, and they were awesome.

01:47:24.954 --> 01:47:31.198
They had such good flavor and I didn't notice a difference between like their effectiveness versus Zen.

01:47:31.198 --> 01:47:37.292
But I also noticed that they were out of stock immediately when I went to go buy some more.

01:47:37.292 --> 01:47:39.493
Like I had them for like one week and then they were gone.

01:47:39.493 --> 01:47:42.320
So I will, I genuinely think, like more.

01:47:42.320 --> 01:47:43.331
Like I had them for like one week and then they're gone.

01:47:43.331 --> 01:47:48.648
Um, so I, I will, I think, I genuinely think, like if sesh comes into stock though again and they're billed, they're more available I might switch to sesh.

01:47:48.648 --> 01:47:50.613
Oh wow, that's how good it was all right.

01:47:50.613 --> 01:47:53.023
Um, velo, what's your opinion?

01:47:53.023 --> 01:47:54.265
Man, you've had some velo.

01:47:54.265 --> 01:47:55.188
I'm trying.

01:47:55.188 --> 01:47:57.451
I just tried one now kind of tastes like medicine.

01:47:57.712 --> 01:48:01.578
It's a velo to me is we're gonna talk about the other one later on.

01:48:01.578 --> 01:48:04.890
It's like a, it's like a little bit better than on, and it's it's just.

01:48:04.890 --> 01:48:17.930
It's better than nothing, but it's not what I want yeah, I wonder like the effectiveness of it too it does taste like medicine it definitely has a medicine which is kind of like freaks me out.

01:48:17.930 --> 01:48:25.072
You know, I because I kind of I trust zen and what they're putting in it, maybe I should you trust the swedes, I do, I trust the swedes.

01:48:25.512 --> 01:48:36.671
These other people I don't trust them yeah, dude, I will say like uh, velo, velo seems nice, but velo does come off as like the like more fancy chinese brand.

01:48:36.671 --> 01:48:38.354
Yeah, you know what I mean.

01:48:38.354 --> 01:48:40.819
Uh, rogue, I think rogue has a good taste.

01:48:40.819 --> 01:48:44.033
Um, I've seen that they've upped their like.

01:48:44.033 --> 01:48:45.176
They're usually pretty cheap.

01:48:45.176 --> 01:48:52.314
They're trying to always look like tobacco cans, right, like the style and the embossed lettering on them.

01:48:52.314 --> 01:48:57.412
I think they taste good, but they're weak as hell.

01:48:57.452 --> 01:49:08.841
Bro, I bought their I think it was their nine or eight milligram pouches and I threw three in and I was like man, dude, maybe my tolerance has just gone up a lot.

01:49:08.841 --> 01:49:13.235
Next day I threw in three zen pouches of six milligram.

01:49:13.235 --> 01:49:15.341
Floored me, bro.

01:49:15.341 --> 01:49:17.809
Floored me like like I was an amateur rookie.

01:49:17.809 --> 01:49:25.011
Yeah, like I just wanted to lay down on the floor and I was like okay, so clearly there's a chemical difference in how receptive they are.

01:49:25.011 --> 01:49:27.805
So the rogue ones, I think, are just weaker.

01:49:27.805 --> 01:49:30.453
They advertise as like six milligram, eight milligram, whatever.

01:49:30.453 --> 01:49:33.510
I don't think that's what you're getting out of them, like you would from a Zen.

01:49:33.510 --> 01:49:37.849
So I've been having to do four pouches just to get my normal fix.

01:49:37.849 --> 01:49:40.476
That I would get from like two pouches of zen.

01:49:40.476 --> 01:49:52.932
That's extra expensive but there's more pouches in a can and each cane of rogue is cheaper, so it kind of like balances out is out there um, and then on, on is just like on to me.

01:49:53.052 --> 01:50:00.717
Feels I don't know, feels like it's pretty sketch, like on burns holes in my mouth yeah same on is like so acidic in my mouth.

01:50:00.717 --> 01:50:02.064
Yeah same On makes a scab in my mouth.

01:50:03.274 --> 01:50:03.878
Not a scab.

01:50:03.878 --> 01:50:04.524
Not a real scab.

01:50:04.524 --> 01:50:05.689
No, for real me it does.

01:50:06.431 --> 01:50:07.664
Oh, you got a scab in your mouth.

01:50:07.765 --> 01:50:09.023
I got a scab in my mouth from On.

01:50:09.368 --> 01:50:10.079
That's disgusting.

01:50:11.997 --> 01:50:13.145
I'm not doing this anymore.

01:50:13.145 --> 01:50:14.304
Respect.

01:50:15.435 --> 01:50:16.324
You know when to call it quits.

01:50:18.510 --> 01:50:22.217
Well, yeah, after I moved to the other side, until it happened again Like an idiot.

01:50:22.319 --> 01:50:27.775
That's funny oh my gosh dude, yeah, on is like they're tiny, they are like cheap, they're cheap.

01:50:27.775 --> 01:50:31.948
Uh, you get a lot of pouches to a can, um, but it does burn.

01:50:31.948 --> 01:50:57.777
And I've noticed like the like, uh, the the axis of like having a good time to I need to go to the bathroom to throw up is so much less predictable with ons, like like I have, like I've been, there's been times where I've thrown like three, eight milligram pouches of ons and then I'm like I'm feeling good, I'm feeling good and then, like sip of water, I'm like, no, not feeling good.

01:50:57.777 --> 01:50:59.992
Everything is not okay, everything is.

01:51:00.073 --> 01:51:08.728
I'm about to poop and throw up and like so I it's not worth the savings, yeah I just, I mean, I just don't think it's worth it if it's the only thing you could get to hold you over.

01:51:08.747 --> 01:51:15.712
All right, I understand, and here's one I haven't tried I thought about giving a shot on is the black buffalo?

01:51:15.712 --> 01:51:17.796
Never even heard of it really?

01:51:17.796 --> 01:51:25.608
So black buffalo is more like traditional dip, but it's not, and it comes in long cut or in pouch of pouch form.

01:51:25.608 --> 01:51:35.208
So I, if you are like a old school dipper, then the black buffalo can be like the most closest to the real deal.

01:51:35.208 --> 01:51:42.600
But there's no whatever they say, no add additives, no tobacco, no carcinogens, all that stuff.

01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:47.818
So it's kind of like something else that's plant-based.

01:51:47.818 --> 01:51:52.957
So you get that same feeling, but with, basically, nicotine salts added in.

01:51:52.957 --> 01:52:00.591
And so I've thought about, I don't know, maybe that if Zin goes down and you can't find anywhere, that might be the way to go.

01:52:00.591 --> 01:52:02.676
The black buffalo, yeah, let me know, man.

01:52:02.676 --> 01:52:04.573
So I have to give it a shot.

01:52:04.573 --> 01:52:11.877
One time I had these pouches they were these Arab dip pouches Because I was hurting.

01:52:11.877 --> 01:52:15.493
I was out in the Middle East and there was nothing to be found besides cigarettes.

01:52:16.655 --> 01:52:18.528
And I'll tell you, what you didn't want some Turkish cloves.

01:52:20.292 --> 01:52:20.873
It wasn't good.

01:52:20.873 --> 01:52:21.997
They weren't good.

01:52:21.997 --> 01:52:23.966
What you didn't want?

01:52:23.966 --> 01:52:24.488
Some turkish cloves.

01:52:24.488 --> 01:52:25.591
Um, it wasn't good, they weren't good.

01:52:25.591 --> 01:52:31.752
It wasn't good whatever they had out there, damn, it was the only like gas station type spot that had chew in the whole country, so I bought it.

01:52:32.213 --> 01:52:36.266
Wasn't good, wasn't good so yeah, I imagine it's pretty unregulated out there.

01:52:36.488 --> 01:52:37.310
That's the other thing too.

01:52:37.310 --> 01:52:41.809
Yeah, it's like there's no rules, but anyways, hopefully zen gets her cancer.

01:52:41.809 --> 01:52:50.192
I think that they should go for the ziploc baggie method, because yeah, that was a comment like someone was like someone responded to the dude from the kentucky uh-huh.

01:52:50.231 --> 01:52:51.615
He's like, yeah, I work here.

01:52:51.615 --> 01:52:52.564
Here's the real issue.

01:52:52.564 --> 01:52:58.913
So I was like cans, lids, shit dog, just start peddling them in dime bags, bro.

01:52:58.913 --> 01:53:02.759
It's like yeah, I guess I don't know like what.

01:53:02.779 --> 01:53:08.092
If you made a reusable pouch, it's you could market for the extreme work.

01:53:08.233 --> 01:53:10.557
I don't know you can't a reusable pouch.

01:53:10.578 --> 01:53:21.586
Yeah, so people have these baggies full of powder quickly turning to cocaine people have these little baggies full of powder and they're trying to pour it in and they're just jonesing for it.

01:53:22.105 --> 01:53:26.831
That's rowdy people would not pour the powder full of powder and they're trying to pour it in and they're just jonesing for it.

01:53:26.850 --> 01:53:28.131
That's rowdy People would not pour the powder into the pouches.

01:53:28.131 --> 01:53:29.453
They're just going to snort it, bro.

01:53:29.453 --> 01:53:30.073
They go out of hand.

01:53:30.073 --> 01:53:30.935
There's no problem.

01:53:30.935 --> 01:53:32.296
We all have our own cans.

01:53:32.296 --> 01:53:33.618
Just give us the pouches.

01:53:33.618 --> 01:53:36.261
We'll put them back in there ourselves, Figure it out.

01:53:36.261 --> 01:53:36.961
Marketing team.

01:53:38.104 --> 01:53:38.426
That's funny.

01:53:38.426 --> 01:53:40.056
All righty, that's funny, alrighty.

01:53:40.056 --> 01:53:45.954
Well, hey, dude, that was a long episode but we had a lot to catch up on, a lot of life stuff and news that we wanted to go over.

01:53:45.954 --> 01:53:48.239
But thanks for joining us, ken, again.

01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:50.503
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01:54:04.956 --> 01:54:07.101
But we appreciate you, ken.

01:54:07.101 --> 01:54:14.518
Thanks for listening Pat anything Till next time.

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