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When a medical professional warns against using tourniquets, it raises an alarming question: are outdated ideas still being taught in modern first aid? This episode dives into life-saving medical techniques, revealing the stark contradiction between current tactical medicine and what some healthcare workers still believe. Your hosts share details about upcoming emergency medical triage training that could make the difference between life and death in crisis situations.
The conversation takes a serious turn as they analyze the recent Signal group chat leak involving Trump's cabinet members. This security breach exposed classified information about missile strikes against Houthi rebels, demonstrating how even high-level officials can fail at basic operational security. The hosts carefully navigate this complex issue, explaining why it's neither a "nothing burger" nor equivalent to previous classified information scandals, while discussing appropriate consequences for such breaches.
Global security threats take center stage as they explore how traditionally adversarial terrorist groups are now cooperating in unprecedented ways. The stunning footage of Houthi rebels assaulting cargo ships with helicopters illustrates this evolution in real-time. Your hosts break down the significance of these developments and what they mean for international security, drawing on their knowledge of military operations and intelligence.
The episode concludes with thoughtful reflections on political messaging, international diplomacy, and the human element in security decisions. Whether you're concerned about personal preparedness or geopolitical stability, this conversation offers valuable insights into how security protocols affect everyone – and what happens when they fail. Join us for this illuminating journey through the interconnected worlds of emergency medicine, operational security, and global politics.
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01:36 - Medical Training Misconceptions
10:19 - Emergency Medical Triage Training
22:05 - Signal Group Chat Security Breach
37:00 - Terrorist Group Cooperation
49:32 - Houthi Rebels Hijacking Ships
01:08:51 - Politics and International Relations
01:18:17 - Episode Wrap-Up
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What's crazy is that people you know just based off of our avatars, are going to think we're both white guys, but they don't know you're black.
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And I think that's the most surprising thing, for when people come into the studio, especially my voice, why not expect it?
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Anyways, something crazy.
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Not too crazy, right, but I was having a conversation at dinner with some friends Billie Jean and I and one of our friends is a nurse and I was telling them about how I'm stoked for the training we're doing on Sunday to do some like serious, like you know, active shooter medical triage training, get a lot of guys experienced on how to apply tourniquets, how to do like a March assessment right, and find like identify injuries and what's going on and essentially do life-saving medical stuff until the pros get there and can get people on ambulances into the hospital.
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And in that I was talking about how we were doing things in.
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This nurse was like wait, wait, are you you're gonna use a tourniquet?
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I was like yeah, they're like I wouldn't do that and I was just like, immediately I was like, okay, like was she 60?
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no, no she's, she's yelling, but like um, immediately I was like all right, get, let me.
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Let me just hear it because she is a nurse.
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And so, like I want to, you assumed she was a nurse, you assumed it was a woman.
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I mean, you said was she?
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I didn't even say all right you're gonna say the gender male nurse?
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Um, just kidding.
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But no, yeah.
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So I was like, all right, let me hear her out, because I want to hear what she has to say.
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And I'm not a medical professional, right, I've just received training.
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And she's like yeah, the concern about that is limb amputation, about a tourniquet application.
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Dude, they're reading a book from the 80s.
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Well, I just, you know, you got to let them.
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Here's the thing, man, you and I, pat, we might be not in the know about the latest medical training.
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That's true.
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Because she did just finish her like nursing last year.
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So I was like okay, what, if?
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What?
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She, maybe she knows something.
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But anyways, we talked about it and I was just surprised because they are still teaching, like in like wilderness survival shoot.
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That's like what she references.
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Reference like she's like I did wilderness survival, first aid, cpr certified, and they're like still teaching don't use a tourniquet if you're at way out in the woods, cuz they could lose their limb.
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Uh-huh, for having the tourniquet on for like eight hours, I'm like I understand, like you are the professional right mm-hmm.
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This is your job.
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That said everything I understand.
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Like you are a professional right Mm-hmm, this is your job.
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That said everything I understand from like the training I've done.
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They've said there's actually never been a case there's not an actual medically recorded case that someone's limb was amputated because of the tourniquet.
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There was times where, like, a tourniquet was applied and the limb by the time they got back to society had such bad bad like infection and such or there was, you know, such, you know horrendous damage to the limb that they decided to amputate it.
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But I've never seen anything where it was like, yeah, because that tourniquet was too tight, we had to amputate the limb you know what I mean?
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yeah, and then the other side of the argument.
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I was, like you know, I would also wonder too, like if we really broke it down, you know, liter of blood per hour or whatever, right, how much you're losing per hour?
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Yeah, if that tourniquet leads to a blood infection and your lower limb or your arm or whatever, let's say you got to get it amputated, how long like would not putting a tourniquet on?
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Would that person have died from blood loss well before that?
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or, like you know, you don't want to you know, I'm saying it's like one of those things of like you really gotta like play the bouncy game of like, even if a tourniquet is applied and somehow that leads to, uh, an amputation, at least the person's still alive because they didn't bleed out.
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So I just thought it was interesting.
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In no way or shape or form do I think she was like wrong in her assumption.
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I think that is genuinely what she was taught.
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Right.
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I think she was maybe misinformed, because Wilderness First Aid has been still doing the no tourniquet thing, which is crazy to me because that is like one of the things I make sure to pack on every outdoor thing.
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Right, and I could see where, the assumption being, let's say, you're three days from medical attention Right, which maybe that's the case but at the same time, most times if you're injured enough to need a tourniquet, at that point you're getting out fast, and or if you can't get out fast, you know helicopters coming in to get you or something, or something if you can.
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Um, you know in, in the best case scenario, someone's coming to get you search and rescue whatever.
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Which, on that note, have your radios exactly?
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have, uh, have the garment in reach, have radios, have something where you can get you're not going to, you're not going to jail if you uh, you know override a frequency on ham and don't have a license.
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There's little like laws and codes that protect you.
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For if it's a medical, life-saving emergency, right, you can use it for sure, for sure, and there's like all sorts of things out there, tech we have um even the, the iphone's getting there like even on, yeah, I.
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The only thing is is like it's untested, it's right now you know what I mean, because, like you, can't test it without facing super bad legal consequences, right, right, yeah, I'd say that's true, but at the same time, just the capabilities of being in the wilderness and having a satellite connection, emergency stuff.
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It's like what I'm saying is it's more and more common that you could get somebody to come get you out, and if it's so bad that you need a tourniquet, you need a tourniquet.
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And because you're gonna, you're gonna and and and I would say too, yeah, don't you?
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You know, know when to apply a tourniquet also.
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Right, that might be like the if the training too on.
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You know, if people panic and there's a bad cut that could have been stopped with pressure and and packing, you know they're, yeah, but then they just go straight for the tourniquet, you know, versus I don't know.
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I think I'm going to err on the side of tourniquet typically.
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For sure, yeah, me too If there's spraying or pulsing, or you know we're going towards the tourniquet, and people don't like improvised tourniquets, but if I don't have one, I'm gonna try to do something.
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yeah, you know, like well, one thing I've always like heard too.
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That is like if you don't have a tourniquet, one of the best things you can do is put, like a rock or something else that's rather round over that wound hole, that channel and like wrap it, use your belt to like add more pressure, right, and it's not going to be enough pressure, right, not going to be even remotely close to what you could get with like a windlass tourniquet, but it's going to be a lot more on that spot and you still will, you know, hopefully be able to start making your way to go get help.
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But, um, we'll, yeah, we'll, be practicing.
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I'm pretty stuck to sunday.
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We're gonna be doing for those, uh, don't know.
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Ken, welcome at this point.
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If you're hearing this episode, we've probably already done this training.
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Uh, it's probably already happened, but you are, if you're listening to this episode, probably watched our uh, ifac breakdown with our buddies on the podcast.
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Um, and uh, with that, you know, hopefully you have a better idea of, like, what we're talking about when we're talking, like, uh, life-saving medicine and you know the means for the everyday person to have the tools and knowledge of how to apply life-saving medicine, so that way you can get to the professionals who can do the professional stuff.
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Um, but all that said, um, we're doing a training and, uh, this training is with a guy who is a search and rescue dude most of the time around, like throughout the year but he also is augmented and gets paid to be uh, what our boy Rice-a-roni was and go and be essentially like a medic on a SWAT team an attachment there so he's got a lot of serious real-world application.
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I'm pretty sure he was also a medic in the military, if I remember correctly.
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But all that said, the training we're doing this Sunday we'll be going over for everyone on our security team.
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We'll be going over like easy stuff in the beginning, right, like just a diagnosis of the med kit we have on site at the church, which is like a very basic, what you would have in the back of an ambulance, I would say in a single kit, and just like when to use what out of there and what things do.
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And if you don't have the training to use this thing, don't, don't touch it.
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But then getting into more of that, like after we do that we're diving into like how to apply a tourniquet on yourself.
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If you're shot and there's no one around and you got the tourniquet, how to put it on yourself properly, how to put it on a buddy, how to identify where the injury is at and the proper level of application of that tourniquet.
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Then also, moving on from that we'll be doing like a bunch of injury assessments and like moving through stages of like essentially like basic emergency, uh, medical training, right.
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So like, if there is still an active threat, how do you, what's your priority?
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The person who's got, you know, an aortic bleed coming out of their armpit or thigh, or the dude who's shooting, still, the priority is to stop that guy from shooting anymore.
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People, right, um, and if you can't stop him, then you need to wait, you need to stand by until the threat's over before you go in there, start trying to do triage, medical, um, and it's like that kind of stuff that we'll go through.
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And then we'll do a bunch of scenarios, um, some that are like very unlikely to occur, right, but like just good scenario, uh, thought practices, right.
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But then, um, outside of those scenarios, there'll be some more practical ones, like the likelihood of someone getting injured in a car accident or something right outside of the church, or they're crossing the sidewalk and get hit by a car and then we have to do like you know.
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We don't have to right, but like you know as a as god-fearing, you know citizen of my country.
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Yeah, community member.
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If I see someone get hit by a car in the crosswalk outside the church, I'm running over there to try to make sure they're gonna be alive by the time the ambulance arrives.
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Yeah, um, and none of this is like.
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This training is very much focused on like hey, this is not heroic.
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Like you're not going to be a doctor, you're not.
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You're not going to be a nurse, you're not even going to be an EMT.
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But what you can be is someone who is trained with the knowledge to at least take action to give that person the best chances of survival, especially if it's yourself.
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Um, so I'm really looking forward to it.
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I don't know, pat, if you got any thoughts from what you're looking at, just like with a training document and stuff yeah, no, I think that he gave us this list of scenarios that we're going to run through and they're going to be kind of on the uh yeah, on the, like you're saying, on the less likely to happen side of things.
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But I think what's?
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good about that case yeah, yeah, worst case scenarios, and the good thing about that is kind of push your mental limits to, you know, to the further end, to see where you're at and train up to those things where then you know as other things happen, you know when you have minor things occur, you are just able to, you know, have a better grip on those things as well.
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And so, um, I think it's going to be good for our, yeah, our team to have all that stuff, that equipping and, uh, and confidence too.
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Like I, uh, I know there's, I think I just am like an idiot, and so I am, uh, I just think I'm good to go Right, but there's, and so, and part of that in my life has given me, um, has given me a good edge where I just like, I just confidence, just the confidence to just do it, um and then, but then that obviously that does um stunt me or you know, or leave me um with blind spots or thinking you can do more than you can do.
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But I know there's guys on our team who also are on the other end of the pendulum, like who like would be or do, who are nervous or, you know, not confident in themselves or like really want to have, like you know, the this sort of training that is going to give them the experience, the reps, and feel like they know what they're doing and feel like they know what they're talking about.
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And obviously I need to do it too.
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But I think that it's going to be a real confidence builder for our team and I'm looking forward to the technical proficiencies and the teaching and scenarios we're going to run through.
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I think they'll be super effective and just as far as the materials he's sent us so far, I think it's going to be good and just as far as the materials, he sent us so far.
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I think it's going to be good.
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Yeah, and I did the IFAC class with him, where he just went over like what should be in your IFAC and how to use it.
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And it was super awesome.
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And.
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I really enjoyed that.
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So, yeah, pretty stoked for that.
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But all that said, you know it is crazy what people are still being taught and like today, wilderness, first aid stuff, um, you know, I guess part of me is just like scratching my head and I'm like god, the last thing I want, if someone put a tourniquet on my leg when I get to the hospital, is for someone to be like, oh my gosh, he's gonna lose this limb, take that tourniquet off and then I'm flipping, bleed out you know, what I mean Exactly.
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I'm just like don't touch that.
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I want to have the presence of mind to be like do not touch that, leave that on there until you guys are ready to go in there and freaking cauterize that shit.
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Anyways, pat, we got some bad news this week, dude.
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Oh yeah, some bad news this week, dude.
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Oh, yeah, some bad news, well, other than just the fact that it's tax season and that just sucks, because you're either going to get decent news of like it's not great news, but it's decent news because the government's like hey, we charged you too much in taxes, here's some back.
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You're like would have been nice to have this money anyways, like throughout the year, but I guess I'm happy I got a little bit back.
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And then there's like the worst news of like oh, hey, by the way, give us more.
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And you're like oh, dude, no, especially if you thought you'd done it right like you, like you've been paying into, you've been doing the thing and you're like uh-oh bro.
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So here's the thing.
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Billy gene and I, we're approaching Total household income, take home Of Almost like 200k.
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Between the two of us.
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You're in a different game than you were Back in the college days.
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When I didn't even have to do taxes Because I didn't make enough, but like when we look at our paychecks, I mean dude, our paychecks post taxes this year are like hardly above I want to say like 120 combined income, like we were taxed an insane amount.
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You got up into the next league of getting smacked.
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It was mind boggling to me how much we paid in taxes and stuff and I'm just like, if in the fact that like they might want more, I'm just like dude, I just it's enough to make a man start thinking like marvin he might.
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Okay, all right, uh.
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But yeah, so we're paying a professional to do our taxes this year because it's just like it's just too much of a headache now, uh, especially like we're at the phase in life where we just have more and more investments and things we're putting money into to try to like save up for retirement or family.
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Then you have everything with like property taxes and your mortgage interest.
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It's all a lot more complicated, so much more complicated, like one w-2 or whatever yeah, and like, well, originally Billie Jean learned how to do our taxes when our combined income was like 90 K and it was pretty simple back then.
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We didn't have enough money left over from paying rent, groceries and savings to like make it complicated, right, you know.
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And so it was easy back then.
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And then now, as we've grown in our jobs and have been blessed with growing in income, that's awesome.
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Like we're super thankful, you know, praise jesus, that we're there.
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But it's also like why the hell, or why am I even asking billy june to do this?
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Like like this is we?
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If we make this money, we should just be like muscling up to just like, freaking, pay a professional to do it, so that way it's not a freaking headache.
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So I think we're biting the bullet this year and good nothing.
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I know we are.
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I just talked to someone and I'm like we're just gonna pay them whatever it is honestly.
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Here's the thing if somehow, let's say, the feds, like you, owe us four grand, and then I pay this person three grand to keep me exactly like to pay him three grand to make sure I don't end up having to owe more money like then, like that's worth it.
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I don't think it's going to be that.
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I think hopefully it's like in a couple hundred dollars.
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But that's just the example, I guess.
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But anyways, that's the side tangent, the real bad news, the real bad news uh, the signal group chat leak.
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Now, pat doesn't know about this because he's been a busy, hard-working man.
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That's a good thing.
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It's good to have a job that keeps you so busy you can't pay attention to the bullshit, uh.
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But I'm, I'm, you're here now, pat, and I'm gonna get your raw opinion on air right now where you're asking questions.
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But this week a uh journalist at the atlanta post was invited to a signal chat.
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Signal is a group chat uh messaging platform for those who don't know, and essentially what it does, it encrypts all of your communications.
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So that way, outside of signal, if someone intercepts those text messages and such, it's completely encrypted and they can't unencrypt it.
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And it's very easy like with the way the uh sending and receiving uh algorithm is written that when you delete a message it deletes it for everybody, not just for you.
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And if you edit a message it edits it for everybody.
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So it's often used by a lot of people who are talking about things that I'm not saying criminal at all, because I definitely use Signal and I don't use it for any criminal stuff, right, but I definitely use it for like I would say yeah, the privacy of knowing, like, hey, I can talk about finance stuff and I'm not too worried about someone intercepting these messages and be like, oh, so that's his social security and his bank account, yada, yada, right.
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Um, I also use it for talking with like dudes I'm talking about stocks and investments and stuff just because it's a lot easier to talk about it there without someone on the internet saying you know, let's say, you post on Reddit, right, and you see on Reddit, hey, I'm going to buy this stock because I think it's a good investment.
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Someone might be like hey, I lost a lot of money, I think this was insider trading, yada, yada, right.
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And then now you know someone's trying to sue you or whatever.
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So it's just a way of essentially covering your ass, right, guys?
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It someone's trying to see you or whatever.
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So it's just a way of essentially covering your ass, right, guys?
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And it's convenient, because if you said something and you have a typo that's goofy, you can fix your typo and it fixes it for everybody.
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But what happened was that this Atlanta Post journalist was invited to the signal chat and the signal chat was aliased to some degree of who was in it, but it was mostly people of trump's cabinet.
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Trump wasn't in the chat himself, from what I understand.
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Uh, someone had invited him to be in the chat but he never joined.
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Itouthi rebels were taking place.
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He didn't say where they were going, he didn't say you know what the location of the targets were, who the targets were.
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But he apparently was saying like yep, we just did the first missile.
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Like we just did the first strike.
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Like like we just did the first strike, oh, we just did the second strike, things are going well, you know.
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And like reporting, like casualty estimates, which that is a hundred percent without like there is no debating this, that is classified information.
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That information, regardless of my opinion of whether or not the public has a right to know that or not, that's still government classified information and that is being disseminated on, even though signals quote unquote an encrypted app.
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That is not a secure form of communication that is approved by the Department of Defense for this level of stuff.
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Yeah and like, even though it is secure and, yes, you would not know what those messages were unless you were in the chat.
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The issue is someone invited a journalist to it, which means it's therefore no longer secure.
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It is not right.
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There is someone there who does not have a need to know, that now knows, and it should have never happened in the first place.
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This is clearly a breach of security.
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There should have never been a group chat with these, uh, you know, politicians involved on it, these cabinet members, uh, talking about declassified information.
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Um, the fact that there was is looks really bad, because a lot of these republican, uh, you know, and these now, I would say new republicans, because tulsi gabbard is apparently one of them um, a lot of these people are the ones that are saying it should be jail time for how hillary misused her personal laptop with all these classified emails and classified communications on it, and it was totally insecure.
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And, yes, like, regardless.
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I don't care what your political beliefs are, but like, russia totally got a hold of everything off of hillary's computer, like.
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That has, without a doubt, been proven.
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Um, not, and not just russia, a lot of people did.
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Um, and so all that said they were.
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They were the people crying for jail time.
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There are people crying for jail time for hunter biden, with all of the uh intelligence, and like classified documents on his computer.
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And now, yes, this is such a smaller degree and smaller, like, uh, like it's classified information, and it's it's borderline, barely classified information.
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Right, it's classified information.
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In regards to, like, this is something that the government itself doesn't report and share, but it can be reported on by journalists who find out about it.
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Right, if you're, if you're a journalist near the houthi rebels, it's a missile strikes come down and, uh, you intercept some radio traffic that informs you, like, these are missile strikes from the U S.
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Like, yeah, you have the right to report on that.
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Right, that is total journalism.
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Right, you can report on that.
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Um, all that said, though, that is a way of discovering information outside of classified communications.
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It's like the naturalistic journalistic investigation process versus someone breaching classified channels to share that information.
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So, anyways, all that said, a lot of people are overblowing it, saying this is just as bad as Hillary, tulsi and Hegseth, and all these people need to be facing jail time.
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And then there's a lot of people underplaying it, saying this is a nothing burger.
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It doesn't matter.
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All that was shared was with other people who had the proper classified like they had the proper clearance to know it was just a channel used to communicate it faster to them that strikes had begun.
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Um, and both are wrong.
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Both are wrong, right, like.
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The issue is like it's in the middle here and it's like black and white and as much as people don't want to say it is, it is black and white and this seriously denigrates your ability to have trust going forward.
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Now, I'm not saying hang them up by their shoelaces and like, fire them and send them to jail.
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I personally don't think this is something that we would see even myself jailed for.
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If I was at this level, I would think I would get a slap on the wrist for sure.
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I think I'd get fired and lose my job, but I don't think I'd be facing jail time and that is perhaps someone can educate us on that and be like dude, you're totally wrong, but from what I understand out of the a lot of other leaks that have happened over time, I do, uh, classified communications and security training every year on, like how to make sure you're not disseminating or sharing information that's classified, even if, like here's a good one, right?
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Let's say, for example, the jfk files.
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They're declassified and they've been released, but it's still technically uh, if they were classified and someone released them, it would still be against protocol for me to even discuss it.
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It would still be illegal for me to discuss it, even though it it's public information.
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You can just get on the internet and look at it and read the file, right?
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Anything that's still classified as illegal for us that are employed and part of this organization of security, we're still not allowed to talk about it, and so it is 100% illegal what they did it, and so it is a hundred percent illegal what they did.
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I am also a hundred percent confident that anyone else who did this would not face jail time.
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They would face repercussions, mm-hmm, and I don't know what those look like when your Pete heads exists.
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Secretary of the DoD, right, our Secretary of Defense, or you know these other cabinet members, but I think it could really look like you know, heavy fine and loss of office.
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You could even get your.
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I would even say like if they revoked clearances for some of these people, well then, of course, they have to lose their office.
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You can't be secretary of defense if you've lost clearance, which sucks, because I really like the agendas that a lot of them have come forward in proposing.
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You know, especially like Tulsi Gabbard, I've really liked what she's kind of proposing for her office and, um, you know, but I also gotta be honest with myself, like this is a huge fuck up.
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So, anyways, that's the situation, pat, you're hearing it first time Now it looks like you're Googling things up and scrambling to try to get the info.
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I just read through the the messages while you were or giving the breakdown yeah, so what are your thoughts?
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I mean, yeah, it's, and I was, I was screaming through them, but the one I feel like obviously there should be some other I'm sure there is and there should be some other place where these people are communicating.
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Yeah, and yeah, and there's literally microsoft teams on the dod that you could communicate this information through, like there is a secure messenger for it and and at the same time, though, if they brought a journalist into that, which I don't know if you're allowed to, you know know that probably not, you know give them access to that right now, Whoever, whoever invited them, that's the the really was like the goose, who was like, ooh, they shouldn't be doing this.
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And rather than going like the proper authority channels, they're like hey journalists get in here Cause I'd say the information in here, yes, is sensitive.
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I would say.
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I mean, it all came out so fast.
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This was over the course of two hours of talking in the morning, right, I was like this was a one day, I think, as far as I can see I'm going through to see if it.
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I'm pretty sure it was all.
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Yeah, this was all over the course from like 8.30 in the morning till it did go all the way till that evening, 6.35.
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So it was one day of chatting, right or like, but the meat of it happened in that morning when they were talking, talking and the um I the the biggest thing that would happen with, I think, the biggest mistakes on here is one whoever brought in the journalist that, whoever did that, dave should face the most consequence because and I don't know how signal works, but I would assume that, like some of these, these people talking on here didn't know or approve that.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, no way, right, so like, and in that sense like, even like, just just taking legal out of it, just to be like all right, five friends are having a group chat about something that's like kind of sensitive and then they bring their other friend's wife in who's the most chatty kathy ever and just put her in the group chat you know what I mean.
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It's like it's like adding somebody's like the.
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It's adding the gossipy wife to the bros group chat like, like, like, hey, be careful.
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Be careful because our wives love to talk and they might think we have something not chill in our group chat, which we may or may not.
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Well, we have chill stuff in our group, it's babe.
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Babe, hear me out, it's okay, don't listen to Pat.
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There's nothing sus in our group chat.
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It's just things you might not like.
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You might not want to see the YouTube fart video compilation.
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You might not want to see youtube fart video compilation you might not want to see.
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You know, yeah, like, but it's not like we're.
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