The Mick & Pat Show - Med Kit Break Down

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What's really worth carrying in your emergency medical kit? We've gathered a firefighter paramedic and police officer to cut through the marketing hype and break down what actually saves lives.

From tourniquets and wound packing to chest seals and specialized equipment, our guests provide candid assessments based on years of real-world emergency experience. You'll discover which items deserve space in your kit, which popular "tactical" products are mostly marketing gimmicks, and how to prioritize your purchases based on likely scenarios you'll encounter.

The conversations get refreshingly blunt as our experts share strong opinions about everything from knockoff tourniquets ("they always snap") to specialty gauze ("two feet doesn't do sh!#"). Beyond product recommendations, they emphasize that equipment means nothing without proper training and the ability to function under stress.

Whether you're building a vehicle emergency kit, an outdoor adventure pack, or equipping yourself for everyday preparedness, this episode provides actionable guidance for all experience levels. Most importantly, you'll learn that the most effective preparation isn't just about having the right gear—it's about having the right skills and mindset when seconds count.

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Chapters

00:00 - Introducing Emergency Responder Guests

10:11 - Testing Dog Treats & Beginning Med Kit Review

19:42 - Tourniquets: Critical Life-Saving Equipment

33:39 - Chest Decompression & Airway Management

45:33 - Wound Packing: Gauze & Hemostatic Products

59:54 - Non-Essential vs Essential Medical Items

01:13:57 - Vehicle Medical Kits & Everyday Carry

01:30:10 - Emergency Medications & Environmental Protection

01:43:08 - Building Your Own Kit & Final Recommendations

Transcript

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Sometimes it crashes but it always crashes before two minutes.

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So do I.

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Yeah, dude, just ask my wife.

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That's funny.

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Like a strike team.

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He's in and out Projective gene.

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Dude, did you get to go to the training?

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Yesterday yeah, all of it Was it sick.

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I mean it was low-key from what I'm used to, but it was good to act like run scenarios in the building that I've been wanting to run scenarios in for a while all right, but what you gotta help me understand, like what all was there, because I was under the impression like it could be cqb could be more single task hostage rescue yeah, so.

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So patrol level hostage rescue, as opposed to, like SWAT team, designated floor plans laid out.

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Hostage rescue like you get one to four patrollers.

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You got a one man, two man, four man team and by man I mean all people, since it's the 21st god dang century.

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Um, running in like hey, you here, you're here for a noise complaint or you're here for this level of thing, and all of a sudden you hear a disturbance in the other room and hey, I've got a hostage have gun.

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If you walk in without a warrant, I'm killing this person.

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Do you now have use of deadly force authorized?

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Can you cross the threshold?

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All those things?

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Can you pull the trigger on that person?

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Target threat identification, all that crap.

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And it was nice because they actually had Sims and people masked up to where they could.

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Actually, me and Pat and other people could pull the trigger on someone.

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So did you guys fire Sims on people?

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Yeah, was it chalk rounds?

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I've been hit by plenty of Sims.

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Dude it was the paint rounds.

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Paint rounds.

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Yeah, the new ones, the SimX, they fucking suck.

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Get used to talking.

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Lean forward or pull your mic closer to you.

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There you go.

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You can also lower your chair too, if you want.

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If you can't hear yourself, you're not close enough to the mic should I?

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Oh, there it is how bad did the paint rounds hurt?

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I didn't get hit this time the last time I did it.

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They drew blood on me, yeah, but they were embedding themselves in the drywall yeah, just think of like an airsoft round, like with a little bit more beef behind it, because there's actually a charge behind it.

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It's launched by the primer of a nine.

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Yeah, so yeah, you stick it here's.

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Here's my opinion, though, having after being hit by multiple sim rounds of various calibers, I'm under the opinion that nine mil hurts more than five.

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Five, six, just based on size, yeah, you would expect five, five56.

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5.56 goes through you so fast, you're probably not going to feel it for a moment, but it's a sim round and it's also charged with a 9 mil primer.

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Oh, you're talking about the?

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5.56 sims hurt less.

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It's the same amount of power just with more velocity or more energy.

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It's a larger round and you're getting hit with like a larger paint ball, essentially you mean to tell me that there's that if we had 45 sim rounds they'd hurt the most?

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Fuck that that hurt speaking of sim rounds yeah, no, they're.

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Uh, they suck to get hit by, but they're really good because you get.

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You get the muzzle flash off of them.

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They sting really bad and you can hear them going by.

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So it's good practice, it's dope it's.

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It's better than like a blank firing adapter where you don't know if your target lands or yeah, it's better than like bang, bang, bang, like I hate friggin training.

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So I say bang, bang, bang.

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Well, that's what we had to do for cqb yeah, it definitely.

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It leaves a training score sometimes because, like after doing a bunch of bang, bang bang, I was doing a Sims day and I drew down on the guy and I said bang bang bang while holding the Sim gun on him and he just turned around and went bang bang bang for real, he hit me.

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I was like you, son of a bitch, he didn't kill me.

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Yeah that's hilarious.

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Alright, I think we are going.

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Oh, actually wait, hit the red button, hit the record button.

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Now it's recording.

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Great good thing, we double checked.

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I'm not doing this twice, we've only had to do that once, I think, where we had to record an episode.

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It was a very unfortunate episode to have to re-record so was it like old school church where, when they were recording the pastor, be like hey, I like first service more, I like second service more.

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And they would tell you no, it was we were recording the episode and we realized the drive died and then pat was like shit, none of that saved we were like 45 minutes in yeah to like, uh, like I guess probably like the most intense I've talked about like stuff about it was just like we weren't.

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We were yeah, we weren't just like bs and we were like getting into like real stuff, and it's like, oh no, oh, this sucks can't fake it again exactly.

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I just got through a part where I'd really just express stuff and it's like, well, I guess we just have to do it over guess I'm fake crying on this one, one of the few times I've heard Pat, not true.

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Actually, it's one of the few times I've heard him say the F word In front of a mic In anger, not in comedy.

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Anyways, ken, if you're watching everybody, put your hands in.

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Put your hands in.

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We have two guests with us.

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There's four of us here in the Make it Past studio tonight.

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We are joined by two of our good longtime friends, guys who we have served in volunteer efforts and on our church security team with for a long time, guys who I've had the pleasure of going through Bible study in college with, um, and homies that I don't know what about what, I don't know what we've done, done, but we've just been with each other for a long time, um, but joined, uh, join us tonight is rice aroni.

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Rice aroni I'm gonna give a brief intro and you could correct me, right, sweet, uh, but uh, rice aroni here started his uh first responder career as like an emt on a bus and is now working fire down in denver I'm I'm in the uh greater denver metro area as a firefighter paramedic great.

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And then we have mac.

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Mac, uh, and I met in college.

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He was a freshman in a Bible study I was leading, and we've just been buddies ever since.

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And Mac followed me in some suit to misery at the sheriff department when I was a jail deputy and Mac was, like you know, this sucks and he got out right around the same time I did, and that he found an opportunity, uh, to be a police officer as well.

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And, uh, now he's on patrol as a police officer.

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Um, told me the jail sucked and I came right back in behind you and I learned I don't like it yeah, I learned from trying to convince you not to work as a jail deputy uh, that I didn't.

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I didn't do enough, and so now I've been way more brutal with a lot of other guys who are like, yeah, I'll do that for a little bit.

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I'm like no you won't, you'll do it for a long time the pendulum swung the other way.

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Yeah, yeah it's a good job, though I mean, some people do actually like it some people it is.

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You get paid well to be a babysitter and hand toilet paper to.

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Yeah, you do get to be a glorified babysitter.

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It is crazy because I remember talking to a buddy of mine who's a teacher locally and he was concerned about how some of his students were going to be doing after they graduated.

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Because they were pretty, they were on a fast track to ruin their lives with their behavior and thoughts of the world and their actions and then, sure enough, I think, quite a few of them ended up in the jail and it was one of those things I'm like wow, they went straight from being in a classroom in high school to six months later being in a classroom in jail and the only thing that changed is the teacher.

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But anyways, with that, thanks for joining us guys.

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Also in the studio is my dog, takani, and Takani loves Rice-A-Roni because Rice-A-Roni probably smells like other dogs.

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But also, since Takani's here, I brought some dog treats, because they're they're dried duck jerky and beef liver and I just kind of think they smell really good and I thought, man, I really want to try these and see how they taste.

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I think they smell good.

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I think they smell a lot like Mac's cooking.

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Mac used to cook up ducks and pheasants and rabbits.

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So I figure we just kind of each take a nibble of a treat and then we'll give to Connie the rest of it.

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Nibbles are for cowards, first off.

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Also, what's what in here?

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Are we eating the little cubes or the strips?

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The strips have to be the duck and the cubes are definitely liver.

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Is that what the deal is.

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I guarantee it.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm trying to free my dog.

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My dog is freaking, tangled herself up in her leash.

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Yeah, so the duck is the long strips of jerky and the liver is the cubes, and with the cubes, I think, the oh man Rice-A-Roni just freaking.

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He's ready to do that, all right.

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It's honestly better than an MRE, not kidding.

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Dude, that kind of tastes exactly like, all right, mac and Mig.

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This is going to be confusing Mixed thoughts, my thoughts.

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Tastes just like, honestly, the shredded beef jerky in a can yep, yep to be like a fake dipper, yeah this is unreal.

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I can't believe my dog gets to eat like four of these a day was that jack links that had the like?

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you got it at home depot, the little big chew beef jerky.

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Yeah that's exactly what that that doesn't taste like duck one bit.

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It does, it, does, it does yeah it absolutely tastes like duck.

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It tastes like the pieces of the duck that when I cook it sat too close on the grill and kind of fell off, got a little overcooked.

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Yep, that's exactly what it is, okay okay, all right now with the cubes.

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Don't eat the whole thing oh, I'm not planning to take a take a nibble of the cube because it's.

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They're dense and they're dehydrated and I actually don't want them to make you nauseous.

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This duck is stuck in my feet.

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And then Rice-A-Roni once again takes the entire chunk.

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Hand me the bag and I'll take a sip.

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That's explaining that you shouldn't do that.

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Shit my bad, I mean it wasn't like it's low in supply.

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He just didn't think you'd like it.

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There's also some duck in that.

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I mean it has been marinating in the same bag.

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But there's much more of like a duck breast in there, you know.

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Oh yeah, there's a duck fat.

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I taste it.

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Oh wow, I like the fatty taste of it.

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It doesn't.

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It's, of course, dry, yeah, but it tastes beefy to me this smells like a hermit crab cage.

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I don't think so.

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Valid.

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I absolutely can see that and I wish I didn't, because still, mmm it's in, the palate, sticks around anyways, okay, all right, well, pat do you think it tastes bad?

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it's the hermit crab remark that's really sticking it.

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Yeah, I'm a brain.

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It's that stale, that olfactory, mmm, mmm.

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Well, yeah, why'd you have to do that?

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Because I'm giving an honest review of these dog treats were munching on here's my thing.

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I mostly just want to try this and know like if I was in a situation, could I actually stomach some dog food?

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And I think I could.

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I don't think I'd get dog food kibbles, but if I went to Petco and there was a bunch of dog treats.

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I'd grab them and these things are like pretty shelf-stable.

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You know it's stuck in my fake tooth.

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Yeah, I've got some pieces.

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I like it.

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I kind of like it.

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I'm honestly just like using my tongue to dislodge it and it's kind of yummy.

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Rice.

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Aroni's looking over here like he wants seconds the way he's looking at the street back the way I'm packing this call dude I've.

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I've eaten some weird food in some weird country, so whatever that's true, rice aroni.

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While I'm packing this kong to occupy sweet to Connie, how about you give us a background, because you're also National Guardsman, right, or something like that, airman.

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Close enough.

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I'm an Air Force Reservist for over a decade now, nice, with some cool experiences in there.

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United States Air Force United States yes.

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Not the Iraqi United Emirates.

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Yeah, I've been over there and I don't want to fly with those guys.

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Ooh, this is holding.

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The aftertaste is holding on.

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Really, I just had a delicious large sandwich from Firehouse Subs and I thought this would ruin that taste, that palate, but I think it tasted fine.

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It's all stuck in my molars real bad.

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Oh, speaking of molars, I found out that, uh, I gotta go to the endontist tomorrow because yesterday I've been having tooth pain for like a decade or something and the previous dentists have, uh, not been doing a good job keeping up with it.

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There's like yeah, here's some meds, it'll get better.

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Yeah, no, I fractured my jaw and my tooth back in my rugby days in high school oh my gosh just now getting diagnosed jaw and tooth yeah, so they're either pulling it or root canal, or they don't know yet.

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But uh, I'll find out tomorrow, wow dang yeah well hopefully it resolved.

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That's rowdy I'm gonna go ahead and grab our first things, but resolve, that's rowdy.

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I'm gonna go ahead and grab our first things, but ideally people know what they're here for because of the title of the video.

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Uh, or the podcast episode on spotify.

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If you're not watching, on youtube, there will be video for this where we're going through all the products and breakdowns of the various kits.

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But, uh, pat, how about you go over what we're here to do tonight while I grab our first roll out of uh equipment?

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no for sure.

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Yeah and uh, it's uh, I'm excited to have you guys in here.

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This is this is the first mick and pat show where we've got four, four people in the room, so that's kind of fun.

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You know, we've got, uh, we're maxing out the guest list where our sound equipment's kind of that's all I can handle.

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And it's fun too because, uh, for you listeners uh, rice Roney is our longest time listener because we sent him the pilot episodes to listen through and give us feedback on what was going on.

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We go back to high school, so we're close and we've got all sorts of lots of fun memories and stuff.

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So glad to have both you guys here and the tonight.

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What we've been talking about for a while is, you know, wanting to do first aid, ifac breakdowns, kind of what do you put in your kit?

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Why do you put it in your kit?

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And, and for different applications as well.

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Because there's obviously, if you're just driving around in your truck and you're civilian, like what do you need in your car?

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Like what do you need in your car, versus if you're a medic on an ambulance or on a fire truck?

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Or if you're a cop rolling around, what do you have on you to take care of yourself or you know, or your other officers around you, and so kind of some different applications, different uses, uses.

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It's.

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It's going to be a lot of the same pieces of gear for the most part of the key things, because, um, really, uh, there's only so much you can do before you gotta just get to the hospital and have, yeah, surgeons take over, you know right, and so the and we'll get into some of that as well.

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As far as the um thought process behind why you do what you do, and you can prepare as much as you want your med kits to be, but at the same time, like lots of people get interested in preparing like apocalypse med kits, but like some of those things aren't even going to help you because even if you can depressurize your collapsed lung, like then what are you going to do?

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There's no antibiotics, there's no surgeons, whatever it's like really like in a realistic fashion, like what should you have with you?

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What's the things to not skimp out on?

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What are the things that you maybe can go a little more budget on?

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And, yeah, definitely one of the things to not go budget on at all, because you want something that's not going to fail in that situation.

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Yeah, so that's kind of what we're going to break down with each other tonight and learn some stuff, yeah, and I got our kind of first set of stuff, but I figured we'd go through a lot of these med kits.

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When I buy them, they come, of course, pre-packed, and so one of them, I feel like, covers a lot of bases, bases, bases, base eye, if you will.

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Yeah, and we kind of brought uh both you know mac and rice around here.

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Rice around, he has a lot more uh specialty knowledge for medical products and stuff and has seen it used a lot more and used a lot more.

00:16:16.166 --> 00:16:25.110
But also mac, as you know, got what he carries on him daily and has also seen quite a bit of you know who you know.

00:16:25.110 --> 00:16:30.491
I think you've probably seen a good amount of the philosophy of the condom right.

00:16:30.491 --> 00:16:33.268
Better having it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

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And you've probably seen a lot of people who don't have it and have to wait for EMS to get there, right.

00:16:38.404 --> 00:16:50.830
So, anyways, all that said, first up, this is going to be a bag coming out of a basically like tactical med kit that I got off of GovX.

00:16:50.830 --> 00:16:58.774
It comes in a really nice excuse me like molly nylon pouch that zippers up with quick pull away tab.

00:16:58.774 --> 00:17:03.985
But there's a lot of stuff in here and I imagine a lot of it.

00:17:04.907 --> 00:17:07.093
Rice-a-roni is going to be cool.

00:17:07.093 --> 00:17:08.963
You don't need that Cool.

00:17:08.963 --> 00:17:15.583
That doesn't need to be in your IFAC every single day, let alone a unit that you're going to be using on someone else.

00:17:15.583 --> 00:17:19.373
And we'll get into the various types of med kits.

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Ifac, for people who don't know, stands for Individual First Aid Kit, and the reason you have that is not so much to use it on others, it's so that way, if you become injured, you can use it on yourself or direct someone on how to use those materials on yourself, whereas you know a med kit or a triage bag is more designed around you using it to aid others.

00:17:43.814 --> 00:17:47.019
So this is an ifac kit, right?

00:17:47.121 --> 00:17:47.321
The?

00:17:47.321 --> 00:17:51.541
The pouch isn't over here right now because we'll get into the pouches and all that later and organizing is set out.

00:17:51.541 --> 00:17:56.873
But uh, rice, aroni and mac, it's all yours to open this up.

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Feel free to go through.

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Please take the time to explain.

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You know each thing, as you see it, what it is, because you know a lot of people watching this have no idea what any of this stuff is.

00:18:05.549 --> 00:18:08.539
They've never seen it outside of, possibly, an ambulance.

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And he goes for the staple first.

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I do have one thing I want to say on top of that.

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Like I have a couple of disclaimers, not like legally, but first and foremost I've been running calls.

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I've been on ambulances, fire trucks, I've been in bear cats, I've been in multiple countries doing shit for over 10 years now.

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What I say as the token paramedic in this situation is not gospel truth.

00:18:35.486 --> 00:18:37.550
You know, there's a lot of opinions out there.

00:18:37.550 --> 00:18:41.648
There's a lot of knowledge, a lot of internet warriors out there that have an opinion.

00:18:41.648 --> 00:18:46.040
What I'm coming to you with today, ken, did I did I do that well?

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Did I say ken right?

00:18:47.104 --> 00:18:58.010
yes, oh, yeah, yeah ken what I'm coming with you at ken is my perspective, my uh, my studies, my experiences, um, and, and nothing more.

00:18:58.010 --> 00:18:59.953
You know, a lot of this is opinionated too.

00:18:59.953 --> 00:19:02.505
So if I say this is bullshit, don't buy it.

00:19:02.505 --> 00:19:03.567
Maybe Maybe buy it.

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That's on you, you know.

00:19:04.671 --> 00:19:34.507
And another thing as well is that your gear does not matter if you don't train with it and if you're not fucking fit like bottom line I was talking to, I was talking to with Mick and Pat a few months ago, like one of the first things I do with my gear, like learning how to cut with trauma shears, right, I go and either run a five carry, do a hundred burpees before I use it, because when the stress hits, when the adrenaline's high, when you're out of breath, that's when you're going to want to train with this stuff.

00:19:34.507 --> 00:19:38.905
Because if you're using this in real life, I promise you you're going to be all elevated and worked up.

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Oh, yeah, for sure, and I think one thing for you too is, as you're speaking to Steph, we're also acknowledging, like we might talk about performing medical procedures on other people that you may not be allowed to do yes right and so we are going to like and different states have different rules.

00:20:01.843 --> 00:20:05.227
We have the what's the what's the law?

00:20:05.267 --> 00:20:06.210
Good Samaritan law here.

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Some protections.

00:20:07.806 --> 00:20:15.670
But anyways, all that to say what we say here it's on you to go figure out if you're allowed to do that or not and then choose for yourself in a situation if you're going to do it or not.

00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:18.631
Example A I'm the only one in this room allowed to use this.

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I know for a fact.

00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:28.430
Yeah, we'll talk about that later fact, yeah, we'll talk about the only one certified to use it.

00:20:28.450 --> 00:20:28.830
Yeah, I'm sure.

00:20:28.830 --> 00:20:30.214
Yeah, any, any monkey can use that if I show you how.

00:20:30.214 --> 00:20:31.137
But hey, legally, yeah, as we go over that.

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We have we.

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You know we'll take time to answer all those questions and stuff, but uh, rice around a good good.

00:20:35.548 --> 00:20:38.134
Um, what would I say?

00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:55.621
that is acknowledgement disclaimer yeah good, disclaimer, um, and I hope people are looking at this through the lens of, like you know, this is just an opportunity to learn, um, and have these things explained to you and kind of hopefully save you some money, um, from buying things that you don't really need.

00:20:55.621 --> 00:20:57.364
Uh, cause I know there's.

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I purposely brought things that are going to be what will grab someone's eyes and attention of like, oh, I should probably get that good, just so that way we can hear from people with experience and certifications and such that late as Joe Schmo, if you need this, like you, you definitely might want to wait till someone who's qualified and knows what they're doing is there to use it, because if you need it, you don't want to fuck it up.

00:21:25.263 --> 00:21:33.769
Um, so, anyways, all that said, bryce aroni, mac, please dig in yeah, uh, one of the things that that really brings.

00:21:33.788 --> 00:21:39.990
I mean, he is an emt, so he's got a much higher level of care that he can provide than your average patrol officer.

00:21:39.990 --> 00:21:52.579
I'm a freshly minted instructor on tactical casualty care, so I'm my first class but, it all comes down to just stop the killing and then stop the dying.

00:21:52.579 --> 00:22:01.121
You run in there and you make holes and then you start plugging holes and that's really all the base level and that's one level above.

00:22:01.121 --> 00:22:04.579
Base is the tactical casualty care.

00:22:04.579 --> 00:22:08.009
It comes down to what most people die from.

00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:09.984
It's blood loss.

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That's all we do.

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We just stop the bleeding.

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But then the EMTs get there and they get a little bit more advanced.

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They'll move them to the hospital where they'll actually fix them.

00:22:22.049 --> 00:22:22.230
Sure.

00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:23.605
We're just trying to stop the dying.

00:22:23.980 --> 00:22:30.608
Well and I think that's a good point, though, a lot of people, when you say stop the bleed, bro, you got to keep in mind majority of people have no idea.

00:22:30.608 --> 00:22:40.223
There is a lot of rumors, a lot of myths around medical treatment right, and a lot of stuff that's wrong when they learned it when they were in fifth grade 40 years ago.

00:22:40.223 --> 00:22:45.652
That's now different today, or it was wrong when they learned it a year ago and now there's new stuff coming out right.

00:22:45.652 --> 00:22:56.752
So, anyways all that, how about you guys go piece at a time, set it aside, give your thoughts on it whatever it is, but just start going one at a time and then, as you set things aside and go through it, we'll put them back in the bag.

00:22:56.752 --> 00:22:59.961
We got plenty more to go into, so don't spend too much time here, right?

00:23:00.001 --> 00:23:04.525
but uh, take it away, mick I'll start with the most important part is the gloves.

00:23:05.385 --> 00:23:06.207
You cheated to the camera.

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Cheated to the camera.

00:23:07.067 --> 00:23:09.429
Absolutely Raise it up.

00:23:09.429 --> 00:23:10.329
Gloves, yeah.

00:23:10.750 --> 00:23:16.595
Always have gloves and have a ton of them, because AIDS, exactly.

00:23:16.755 --> 00:23:33.907
Hepatitis has been plenty of times where we've gone there, dealt with people and halfway through treating them, they're like oh, by the way, I'm HIV positive, so it would really suck if, uh, you saved someone but then you have a lifelong disease.

00:23:33.907 --> 00:23:36.897
It really suck even more if they died and then you got a lifelong disease for nothing.

00:23:36.897 --> 00:23:44.592
So that is I I fill a little pouch on my belt with nitrite gloves and then I keep a whole bunch more in my pockets.

00:23:44.592 --> 00:23:48.460
The one thing you can disagree if you want.

00:23:48.460 --> 00:23:51.776
We don't use the black ones, we use the blue ones the blood sweep.

00:23:51.896 --> 00:23:53.928
I know that's kind of a myth, dude.

00:23:53.928 --> 00:23:56.849
If you get blood on your gloves, you're gonna fucking know.

00:23:56.849 --> 00:24:04.567
We run black gloves where I'm at and, like the last shooting we had where six people got shot, it was very clear and evident and it was at 1am.

00:24:05.785 --> 00:24:17.272
I will say this I have not had enough experience with black or blue gloves to tell the difference of blood on it, but I have heard the blue stuff as well, which is also you know, I think that's a tech myth as well.

00:24:17.272 --> 00:24:19.066
I hear about the blood light.

00:24:29.980 --> 00:24:31.988
Now there's a special flashlight that has like a blue LED that helps you pick up blood easier than if it was like a white led.

00:24:31.882 --> 00:24:33.227
This isn't csi, this is pre-hospital care.

00:24:33.227 --> 00:24:33.451
No, I'm, that's what I'm saying.

00:24:33.451 --> 00:24:36.192
That's what I'm saying, though, like if people were like oh, you need this 300 flashlight so that way you can tell where the bleeding's at.

00:24:36.211 --> 00:24:42.748
I'm like bruh, like if a homie's bleeding I think any color light is gonna be able to tell you like where he's bleeding.

00:24:42.748 --> 00:24:45.953
They need an ultrasound and a surgeon before they need that light.

00:24:46.099 --> 00:24:46.782
Anyways, cool Alright.

00:24:46.782 --> 00:24:47.425
Next piece of gear.

00:24:47.425 --> 00:24:48.625
We're going to keep running through it.

00:24:49.984 --> 00:24:50.827
I carry red gloves.

00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.250
You just never know Exactly.

00:24:55.161 --> 00:24:55.983
Whenever they are bleeding.

00:24:55.983 --> 00:25:01.202
In these types of situations, it's enough that you can hear it, you don't even have to see it.

00:25:01.222 --> 00:25:07.049
This right here is an NPA, nasal pharyngeal airway.

00:25:07.049 --> 00:25:26.688
So what this is right here it's this little trumpet, and when someone has either overdosed or had a seizure or is having any sort of breathing problems and they got that low, slow, like snoring respirations, you can put this in their nose preferably the right nair actually, which is anatomically bigger, and you can help passively oxygenate.

00:25:26.688 --> 00:25:33.467
This bypasses the mouth and helps them breathe when they're in that like kind of position yeah, I got you.

00:25:33.507 --> 00:25:33.688
Okay.

00:25:33.688 --> 00:25:39.432
What about, like, if they're like coughing bubble blood, will that help at all to kind of keep the airway open?

00:25:39.452 --> 00:25:45.186
well, the first complication there's going to be asphyxiation from blood into the lungs, right like choking on your own blood.

00:25:45.186 --> 00:25:49.074
Um, so rolling them on their side is a really good maneuver there.

00:25:49.074 --> 00:26:01.179
Um, I wouldn't necessarily think that this is needed for most people, because this is used in conjunction with positive pressure ventilation or that bag valve mask you see on the shitty tv shows.

00:26:01.278 --> 00:26:13.472
Yeah, this allows passive movement of air through this little hole right here, so I wouldn't necessarily say this is an essential what if we say let me, let me give you guys three tiers of classifying things gloves are a must.

00:26:13.472 --> 00:26:14.297
That's baseline okay.

00:26:14.317 --> 00:26:21.251
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like have these available in any medical first aid kit are?

00:26:21.251 --> 00:26:35.002
We starting a tier list here no, not a tier list, but just like what should be in which bag right so like basic medical kit all the way up to you know, whatever like must have should have, you really not.

00:26:35.063 --> 00:26:35.884
No, no, let me finish.

00:26:35.904 --> 00:26:38.711
Let me finish put this in all your med kits.

00:26:38.711 --> 00:26:40.121
Right, put the gloves in all your med kits.

00:26:40.121 --> 00:26:42.787
Done this one, put it in just the ifac.

00:26:42.787 --> 00:26:44.990
Put it in like the like.

00:26:44.990 --> 00:26:46.574
Don't even bother carrying it.

00:26:46.574 --> 00:26:49.957
This is something that professionals should have, or in every med kit.

00:26:49.957 --> 00:26:50.480
You know what I mean.

00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:55.332
That's kind of what I'm thinking when it comes to like levels of like skill and like use case.

00:26:55.819 --> 00:27:02.391
Pros only is my vote on this, and I personally have this at our church security bag.

00:27:02.391 --> 00:27:11.784
I have a few of these, but that's also because I have that bag valve mask with us at the church and there's a handful of us that are trying to use it cool, I will say I did put my own in.

00:27:12.385 --> 00:27:21.814
I did it to myself with some lube and I will say, if I'm bleeding and shaking, I'm gonna let someone else do it the gag reflex is strong.

00:27:21.854 --> 00:27:24.703
Yes, I've seen people overdosing, slapping at it.

00:27:24.703 --> 00:27:34.507
Yeah, you've already run three Narcan doses and they're it gets back in there, quit killing my vibe and for unique use case.

00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:53.385
Now, you really shouldn't have this maybe on hand for kids, but in a case where I had a kid who had potential for their tongue basically falling to the back of their throat or for other things being collapsed and not being able to breathe, and so this is actually something we had on hand for her as well.

00:27:53.385 --> 00:28:06.034
He has a little tiny baby, which the doctors had for us too, which is like in case we needed to get air into her, into her lungs, and so there could be, but it wasn't this size, it was baby size.

00:28:06.094 --> 00:28:08.026
No, that's like small to medium adult size.

00:28:08.026 --> 00:28:09.001
Yeah, so 28 French.

00:28:09.344 --> 00:28:09.684
Yeah.

00:28:09.684 --> 00:28:16.266
So there are, like there's super unique use cases as well where, like we just had that on hand, like at the house you know, or whatever.

00:28:16.266 --> 00:28:22.047
So and then I'll say too, it for it doesn't take up that much room either.

00:28:22.047 --> 00:28:27.185
So like in your IFAC, like it's not that it doesn't take up that much room either, so in your IFAC it's not that it doesn't take up much space, right.

00:28:27.601 --> 00:28:31.365
And there's always this consideration too, your IFAC right.

00:28:31.365 --> 00:28:37.924
It's meant to be used on you hypothetically If you want a professional to use it on you go ahead and bring it.

00:28:37.924 --> 00:28:40.086
Although they're going to have a bunch of them.

00:28:41.182 --> 00:28:41.482
Next one.

00:28:41.482 --> 00:28:42.486
We got so much to get through.

00:28:43.308 --> 00:28:48.621
We know what this is, everybody should them.

00:28:48.621 --> 00:28:49.304
Next one we got, we got to get.

00:28:49.304 --> 00:28:49.965
We got so much to get through.

00:28:49.965 --> 00:28:50.406
We know what this is.

00:28:50.406 --> 00:28:51.108
Everybody should know what this is.

00:28:51.128 --> 00:28:52.855
Hold it up to the camera so they get they know and take it out of the goddamn wrapper.

00:28:52.855 --> 00:28:53.256
Well, okay, all right.

00:28:53.256 --> 00:28:54.239
Hey, my, my, my, just so you know my actual med kits.

00:28:54.239 --> 00:28:55.563
I have them stocked in them.

00:28:55.603 --> 00:29:11.759
This is a pre-packaged thing, right very high stress situation would suck to have to work through this yeah, imagine you got bloody black gloves right now and you're trying to open up this wrapper and you got someone losing like several hundred ml of blood per minute.

00:29:12.761 --> 00:29:18.992
That is uh, it is extremely time sensitive when it comes to doing tourniquet drills.

00:29:18.992 --> 00:29:23.586
Make sure you can do it fast, make sure you do it right, first of all, but do it fast.

00:29:24.128 --> 00:29:27.214
That might have to be a separate thing, like going over actually applying it properly.

00:29:27.234 --> 00:29:37.594
We're not yeah, we're not gonna go through like like how to apply or anything like that tonight, just over what the gear is and if it should be considered do not buy tourniquets on amazon.

00:29:37.634 --> 00:29:38.878
Buy through a reputable source.

00:29:39.078 --> 00:29:47.434
Yeah, I'm gonna say these are, uh, north american rescue, um, which, for anyone who's like North American Rescue, just got taken to court, yada yada.

00:29:47.434 --> 00:30:00.612
That lawsuit was thrown out just so everyone knows, because they did prove that everything is very compliant and made in the USA in quality gear and to verify how they're made in legit tourniquets, please tell us.

00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:02.286
So we have this red tab right here.

00:30:02.286 --> 00:30:03.526
Gen 7 is the most recent G7 right there.

00:30:03.526 --> 00:30:04.752
So that's showing us that we have this red tab right here.

00:30:04.752 --> 00:30:05.798
Gen 7 is the most recent g7 right there.

00:30:05.798 --> 00:30:08.625
So that's showing us that we're um accurate.

00:30:08.625 --> 00:30:11.432
There's a few other things as well I'm not going to get into.

00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:22.221
Um, just make sure you secure the win list when you're done twisting the biggest thing I've heard is, if you flip it over to the plastic on the back side, that the chinese knockoffs will be mostly slick.

00:30:22.221 --> 00:30:23.463
Yes, and they won't have this printing.

00:30:23.463 --> 00:30:24.507
This is actually raised.

00:30:24.646 --> 00:30:25.970
Yes, so this is raised.

00:30:25.970 --> 00:30:28.520
Text right here Hold up.

00:30:28.520 --> 00:30:36.083
You can see there's a tactile thing going on there the Chinese ones, since there's like a little tension system in here, it's like a bungee cord.

00:30:36.083 --> 00:30:40.184
Essentially they'll actually fail, the Chinese crap ones.

00:30:40.285 --> 00:30:43.846
I actually just had that on the last IFAC training I did.

00:30:43.846 --> 00:30:50.969
We had the Chinese one snap when we were putting them on and you said they every time, oh yeah, every time they snapped.

00:30:50.969 --> 00:31:07.154
Well before we got to like real force, I had a buddy of mine named Cake and he threw a real tourniquet on my leg when we were doing a scenario and, dude, I yelped to the freaking moon when he set that thing secure and the Chinese ones always broke before they got to that pressure.

00:31:07.775 --> 00:31:08.795
Also, color doesn't matter.

00:31:08.795 --> 00:31:11.375
If you see orange ones, go for it, it doesn't matter.

00:31:11.476 --> 00:31:16.077
I have orange and black, just for different needs, sure, but yeah Cool.

00:31:16.298 --> 00:31:16.458
Next.

00:31:16.458 --> 00:31:16.617
Thing.

00:31:17.458 --> 00:31:18.598
Very simple, very easy.

00:31:20.981 --> 00:31:24.175
Just turn off the blood valves and for our tiering.

00:31:24.195 --> 00:31:26.403
that'd be like every kit the blood valves and for our tearing.

00:31:26.403 --> 00:31:26.945
That'd be like every kit.

00:31:26.945 --> 00:31:33.210
Yeah, you gotta have it in everything yeah, okay, have that in your car have that at four in your car, yeah, or else you'll be using a belt and it won't be nearly as tight, because that thing.

00:31:33.270 --> 00:31:37.926
You're not improvised tourniquets do not work over 90 of the time yeah, that's data.

00:31:37.926 --> 00:31:39.471
That's not me spewing out my mouth.

00:31:39.471 --> 00:31:40.361
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:42.644
It's like that is absolutely.

00:31:42.644 --> 00:32:00.451
Use that, because or else you are just barely slowing down, you're not turning the faucet off yeah you're turning it down, yeah, and you're still gonna die, like a lot of times they teach us, on legs especially, you will be applying two tourniquets yeah yes, because it is a massive artery in there.

00:32:00.451 --> 00:32:08.086
There's a lot of it and a lot of flesh and other stuff in the way and you have to apply pressure from the tourniquet to the artery.

00:32:08.467 --> 00:32:15.932
I wish I had a diagram, but if this is the tourniquet, this is the artery and this is bone, you have to pinch those all together against a bony structure.

00:32:15.932 --> 00:32:21.732
So don't do it across the joint and don't do it across the abdomen or the neck and be dumb.

00:32:21.772 --> 00:32:30.226
But we can go over that another time yeah, we got, we got plenty of medical things, yeah that you'll see that you can then kind of come back to be like hey, remember when we said don't put a tourniquet on the knee or elbow?

00:32:30.226 --> 00:32:33.603
Here's maybe what you'd stuff in there instead yeah it's.

00:32:34.144 --> 00:32:42.950
You're kind of trying to like strangle someone with two pillows around your hand, like you're not gonna get a very good steal unless you got a really tight yeah all.

00:32:43.109 --> 00:32:45.554
Did you purchase this or did I give this to you?

00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:55.463
No, this came in the two med packs that I purchased for, like you know, the tactical rip away and zipped up molly packs.

00:32:55.664 --> 00:32:57.328
Can I open this up and get you a new one?

00:32:57.328 --> 00:32:58.731
Yeah, for sure, yeah.

00:32:59.301 --> 00:33:00.145
If you will get me a new one.

00:33:00.145 --> 00:33:04.826
I'd love that, because I know the only way I can get them is by getting another one of those med packs.

00:33:04.987 --> 00:33:08.211
Sure, so this is also a North American rescue product.

00:33:08.211 --> 00:33:10.095
I really like these guys a lot.

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However, I dislike this one in particular because it's a smaller one.

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This is a 14 gauge needle, decompression needle.

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This is a pre-hospital solution for a chest tube.

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The Mick & Pat Show - Med Kit Break Down

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