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We take a deep dive into the heated confrontation between President Trump, Senator Vance, and Ukrainian President Zelensky that unfolded at the White House, exploring the complexities of diplomatic communication and peace negotiations.

• Exploring the realities of the Ukraine-Russia war, now in its third year with devastating casualties on both sides
• Breaking down what makes a protest legal versus illegal in America and Trump's controversial statements about campus demonstrations
• Examining the mask debate at protests and what it reveals about accountability and intentions
• Revisiting the 2004 "Killdozer" incident and how perceptions of Marvin Heemeyer's actions have evolved over time
• Reflecting on the human cost of war and why peace negotiations matter more than territorial disputes

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01:36 - Family Update and Cleft Palate Surgery

11:37 - Ice Fishing and Phone Protection Stories

23:07 - Discussing Trump and Zelensky's Confrontation

37:23 - The Reality of the Ukraine-Russia War

50:16 - Campus Protests and Trump's Response

01:10:03 - Marvin Heemeyer's "Killdozer" Incident

01:18:01 - Final Thoughts on War and Leadership

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are you leaving town for your birthday tomorrow?

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Um, it's, uh, it's gonna actually be.

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It wasn't officially for my birthday, but it is coming up to my is like my birthday weekend or whatever, because we're we're actually getting away before the little baby has the mouth surgery.

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Just, uh, been a pretty good long year of stuff with her and then, with her surgery coming up, it's going to be like a 14-day pretty intense recovery where her arms will be bound in like a straight jacket, basically, yeah, to keep her from putting her fingers in her mouth.

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Yep, yep, because she's getting her palate reconstructed.

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This is hopefully the one and only surgery right, could be the only one.

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Sometimes, when you're seven or eight, you got to have another one More of an orthodontic follow-up surgery, but this would be the big one.

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So, yeah, she's almost a year old, going to get surgery done, but we decided to do a getaway right before.

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So we were going to go to Mexico and fly down there and hang out on the beach and we decided to.

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We toned it back just doing a weekend in the mountains so nice.

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It'll still be good.

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Yeah, it'll still be really fun.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, with your little one getting the surgery and all that, what is, you know, the surgery for the cleft palate, like what?

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What do they do at the little one-year-old stage?

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Because it's basically because she's at one right.

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Or close to it.

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Yeah, so when a kid's born without a palate or with a cleft palate, they have to weigh in the balance between the kid being large enough to have to undergo surgery and then also not being too old, that they have permanent speech impediments and things like that.

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So they try to do it between 12 to 15 months old and so, um, they will, yeah, you go under for it, and basically they don't add any tissue.

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They take what's there and kind of on the sides of the top of your mouth, cut it and sew it all together to give you a roof of your mouth, to give you some form of a palate, yep yep.

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And then there can be some like sometimes they have to do some like cheek grafting things like that up there, but they say, hopefully you don't so, but yeah, they basically are able to just close it off up there and it won't have a hard top palate.

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Her whole palate will actually be soft all the way through.

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So yeah, and then once that heals up, then you got to learn how to swallow and suck and talk and do all those things.

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So is that why most people with like a cleft palate when they're older is if they have like a little bit of a lisp, yeah.

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That's a soft palate on the tongue, I think so.

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Yeah, so she could very well have uh, you know, permanent uh speech issues and things like that She'll have to work through and figure out.

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Yeah, so that's coming up, so we're going to sneak away to the mountains and just hang out, the two of us, for a little while.

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Maybe go to some hot springs.

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What part of the mountains we're going up to the Collegiate Peaks area?

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Oh yeah, nice Hot springs up there, and then do also doing collegiate peaks area.

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Oh yeah, nice hot springs up there, and then do uh, good springs up there doing uh uh.

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Mason, do surprise me with a guided ice fishing trip.

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Oh that'll be kind of fun.

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I knew about this.

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I had to pretend not to know about it because billy dream did the surprise for me.

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Mason said oh, I'm gonna surprise pat with something too.

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That was good, isn't that pretty sick.

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That is good, I like it.

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I like it yeah, so guided fly fishing, not guided fly fish guided ice fishing yeah nice.

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So, yeah, that's pretty cool, dude, that'll be fun, are you?

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Are you a really big ice fisher?

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I'm not I actually I don't like it.

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So Is it because Because I go out and I catch nothing?

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Yeah, I've only been three times in my life.

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Yeah, never caught a darn thing doing it.

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It just froze my little cheeks off.

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So, now.

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so I say that I don't like it, but You've never done it right.

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I'm excited to go with a guide to a spot, Like you know, they got the setup.

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I think to a spot, like you know, they got the setup and you know whatever the tent and the heater, all the stuff, yeah, so that'll be good.

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So have you seen the video of the guy who is reaching to pull his line up with the fish on it and his phone slides off his thigh and, just like a bar soap in the tub, just goes it just like down in the hole, perfectly just gone.

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Bro.

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Keep your phone in your pocket no kidding, yeah, because I've seen a good handful of videos where, because it's so slippery on that ice, oh yeah, phones just skate and they just go downhill into the hole bro that's like the slip.

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That's where it's slowly.

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You know, uh, the point of like degrees aimed down to, and so everything is just going to slide into that hole.

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Oh yeah, no one thinks about it because they don't realize how it's slow, slowly starting to slope towards the hole, oh man.

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And I saw this super gimmicky commercial the other day for this like phone life jacket that activates when it gets wet.

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It's super bulky.

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Where are you watching commercials?

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Still, this is, you know, like, popped up on instagram or something you know, like I was.

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It should have been late night on the.

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You know, yeah, on three easy payments, yeah, type of commercial, but no, it was.

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Uh, it's this huge bulky thing on the back of your phone and if you drop it in the water, it just inflates, huh, and then floats up to the top, which even in this ice fishing situation might not have been that helpful because you could probably have like, see it like, but not float up to the hole.

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Yeah, you know, like, it float up 20 feet away wherever I don't know?

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yeah, the current has taken it away.

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You just floating as he goes away from you really quick, but um it was.

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I thought I did what I did like about the product.

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I was like that's a pretty cool idea.

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Also, I'll never put this on my phone.

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You know, yeah, because what if it rains and then it fills up like it inflates and you can't get your phone out?

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That's actually hilarious.

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What if you're peeing and you got a little bit left on the drop?

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You know you get calico pants, yeah, and it then inflates the phone in your pocket.

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That'd be an issue the amount of times I spill stuff.

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I just don't think I want it just like inflating in my pocket and ripping my jeans.

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Or sweaty thighs, you know.

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It's about to be summertime you got a sweaty thigh that thing, that thing goes off so it inflates.

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It's not like just like a foam, but it's actually like a like, I think I think some sort of foam case would be making more sense.

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Yeah, just get a foam case.

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While you're like, while you're fishing, you pop your phone into the foam case yeah, that makes a lot of covers your existing, I don't know.

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Here's my thing.

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Yeah, cases with paracord on them, like a case with a little paracord loop, just do that and put the loop around your wrist.

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Your phone's gonna be out of the pocket.

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Put that around your wrist and then that way, if you drop your phone, it's just hanging on the paracord loop.

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Yeah, like my phone case has a little loopy, it's built in, you can just put it through there.

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See, I think that's actually something that maybe we should design.

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Imagine this For when you're doing the outdoor excursions, you just have a phone case with a little metal loop ring built into the case.

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When you're ready you just run paracord through it and around like a belt loop, so that way you can be walking and if you drop in or you trip and catch yourself and you drop your phone, it will swing, but it just swings down as far as your loop from your belt loop is.

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And then you're like, ooh, thank God Cause, otherwise I would have dropped my phone, it would have just clackity, clack clack down the.

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Grand Canyon, yep.

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Or if you like to scroll while you're taking a little poop, put that lanyard on around your neck.

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You're not going to drop it in the toilet.

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That's nag, honestly, only once have I dropped my phone in the toilet, really yeah, and that was post-flushed, standing up, having set it down on the counter.

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And that was post flush, standing up, having set it down on the counter, and I was going to dry my hands and the like.

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The movement knocked it off with my hips and it went just perfectly, sliding off the toilet seat then into the toilet and I was like poopy, dang it.

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I got to reach down in there, yeah, but it was clean water, so I felt good about it.

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I just wipe it off with some dude wipes.

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Yeah, headphones, though Not too long ago.

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Oh yeah, I was trying to put my headphone back in my ear.

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Wireless earbud While on the toilet and it was a.

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You know you sit down and you think you're going to poo.

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Uh-huh, no poo, just gas.

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You're like all right time to get up.

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So I'm standing up, falls on my ear, bounces off the side of the bathtub right into the toilet with pee and I was like son of a gun.

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So I fished it out, rinsed it off.

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I was like I it, I'll just rinse it off because, like it's clearly not gonna get ruined from the water.

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And then I just put it in a bag of rice.

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And then, even after the bag of rice, I pulled it out and rubbed like some like alcohol sanitization on it and I tested it works fine.

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so I still put those headphones in, just pull it out and go straight for the wireless wet willy.

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Just right in.

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No dog, no way no, dude, I'm gonna put a p in my ear, even if it's in my old pee dude Bro, that was always like an insult as a kid growing up.

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Just like dude, I'll pee in your ear.

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Really, that was one of them.

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Oh, that was always one of them.

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Oh, my goodness, think about this.

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You pee in someone's mouth, they're immediately going to wake up and know.

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You pee in someone's ear, they'll be like what is going.

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Going on is something dripping on me.

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Is there a leaky roof?

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That's pretty funny anyways.

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Um, dude, a lot of I mean, you know, I I want to say a lot of trump derangement syndrome.

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This week, a lot of tds, and I feel this week A lot of TDS.

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I feel like I get a pass in saying that because I didn't vote for him, so I feel like I get I'm allowed to criticize when I think people are freaking out and flipping out and being deranged about stuff.

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But I think what I've seen a lot of is people on both sides having kind of panic attacks about stuff and I don't know if it's as big of a deal like I do believe like there's certain things that are like definitely history making, but there's a lot of it that I'm just like.

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I feel like this is not unique, like I feel like this happens every 40 years, 60 years, 100 years.

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You know what I mean.

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Every four years, yeah, sure, right.

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And the latest one is people on you know pretty much both sides of politics.

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Like I've heard people say that are, like you know, democrat or Republican.

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Like I've heard people say that are, like you know, democrat or Republican.

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Oh, I don't like what Trump and Vance and their interaction with Zelensky just recently at the White House on camera.

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I didn't like it, but I've heard Democrats and Republicans both say, hey, I really enjoyed watching that.

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That was crazy.

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That felt like I got to look behind the curtain see how things are going on and I, you know, liked the way, you know, trump and vance kind of stood up to what was going on and trying to make sure they like they kept the show on the rail, I mean the show on the road, um, and kept the train on the rails.

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In regards to like how to handle it, because, you know, in case you don't know, actually I guess ukraine and russia at war and uh, zelensky was here to discuss um ukraine's involvement, um in like peace treaties and like coming to a deal, uh, that the us would kind of, as well as signing a mineral rights deal, as kind of paying back the US for its support in the Ukraine-Russia war, because, to be honest, ukraine just does not have the GDP to pay back anywhere close to the billions of dollars I mean over almost $200 billion have gone to Ukraine now.

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I think that's right yeah, almost 200 billion dollars have gone to ukraine.

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Now I think that's right, yeah, um, and uh, all that said, uh, mineral rights is a pretty effective thing, because if that occurs, uh, you know, then, like ukraine just kind of is selling, like, hey, you know, if the minerals are here, you get them, and we're kind of wiping their cost away, right, because if there's not a ton of minerals there, they still, like deals done in US, just kind of has the US just has to deal with it, right.

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But anyways, all that said, they are out there talking about the potentiality of the deal and Zelensky starts kind of adding more to the conversation which, you know, it was clearly like a press thing, where it was just supposed to be like, hey, come on out, let's wave, smile the cameras, talk about the excitement to find peace and, like you know what we're going to try to do to get peace and abroach um, zelensky starts saying stuff like, hey, there's be any concession.

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Uh, you know, we're the like we could still fight if we wanted to.

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Um, also, you know, um, you can't trust putin, like you can't trust him for peace deals.

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He breaks them all the time.

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He broke them in 2014.

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He broke it in like, uh, 2021, he's just gonna break it again if we go on a peace deal.

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So we need more support, um, and we need like something stronger.

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Uh, you know like a threat right, a threat of boots on the ground kind of stuff.

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And he's saying that and they're kind of like, well, you know, you're gonna have to make.

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Like trump and vance are both kind of alluding to like well, you're going to have to actually make a concession, like you're gonna have to concede some stuff Right To like that's what happens with the peace deals Like to stop the war, you concede to reach a deal, right.

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And Zelensky was like you know it's not going to happen because he's going to break the peace deal and you know what?

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You'll feel it eventually here in America.

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And I'm summarizing in words, but it's essentially like yes, there's a big ocean between Ukraine and Russia and America, but if Russia eats through Ukraine and the rest of Europe, you will eventually feel it in America.

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And that just was too much of like a, you know, allusion to a threat of consequence, to how you know america's handling things or lack of engagement.

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And so trump advanced kind of tore him to like pretty much boiled down to like hey, you were supposed to come out here, say thank you, smile, say, hey, america, thank you for your support.

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We really, really appreciate Ukraine.

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I'm looking forward to peace, also looking forward to this mineral rights deal with America and paying back our debt to them.

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And instead you kind of made it a warning and flag waving in front of people and pretty much put us in a position where if we don't agree with you, we're disagreeing on camera right now with you as the president of Ukraine, and if we do agree with you, putin is never going to answer the phone at the Kremlin, putin is never going to come to the table to do an agreement.

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So you're kind of like you're putting us in a position where, if there could be peace, we're not ever going to reach it.

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So now we got to be big dogs and kind of discipline you.

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Right, we have to point it out and be like look, you're running your mouth, you're saying things you have no right to say.

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Just come out here, smile, say thank you, so that way we can handle this shit behind closed doors.

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And I do think there was a lot of miscommunication.

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I do think they misunderstood zielinski to like I don't think Zelensky intended to sound threatening.

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I think he wanted to sincerely like make it sound like hey, like we are not just going to roll over, because if we roll over and just concede everything to Russia, they're just going to attack again and take more in, like four years when Trump's gone, which is 100% a valid point.

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I'm not saying I have any idea what to do with that, I'm just saying I get that that's a valid point because that's what's happened.

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Um, however, saying that on camera puts them in a really hard spot and then alluding to like one day russia is going to come for america if america doesn't do something now, you know, you're kind.

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That is.

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That is putting the president in a hard position where he needs to one look strong and like fierce, like nope, that won't happen, even if I'm gone, that won't happen because my vice president's here, you know, and so put them both in a position where they got to look like war dogs, ready to get mean, and it just was ugly.

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And I think the biggest thing too is like Vance pulled up.

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He's like you went campaigning for the other side, yeah, and we're still here trying to help you out, like yeah, shut your mouth, say thank you and I get it.

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I get it.

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Cameras are on.

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You got to look tough.

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Probably could have totally gone down differently if there wasn't media and everyone in the world watching and Fallout on down differently if there wasn't media and everyone in the world watching and fallout is fallout.

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But what we do know we don't know how russia is responding.

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We haven't heard anything about russia's response to what we, what happened and all that.

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But we do know that zelensky now has come back to the table agreeing to sign the mineral rights deal and work towards peace, and that's about.

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You know, 24 hours after the fact of the, of the huge spat on media on television.

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But I don't know, pat, I'm curious to hear what you think, because I I definitely, while watching it was like oh, whoa, that maybe dial it back.

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And then I was like I get what they're saying, I get what both sides are saying.

00:18:23.887 --> 00:18:34.496
And then I was afterwards just like I don't freaking know, I don't know what should have done, been differently, other than it should have just probably been like no mics, just smile and wave.

00:18:34.496 --> 00:18:49.682
Let's go into the white house office or, you know, the president's office, and then close the door and do it there yeah, the yeah, the one.

00:18:49.702 --> 00:19:00.332
yeah, this administration is rolling out tons of controversial things and rolling out lots of lots of things fast.

00:19:00.332 --> 00:19:22.865
I do think that seeing a little bit from a little bit of Zelensky's side too, as as a president too, is like he has to appear and or he has to like, represent and be strong as well, but also he's getting in.

00:19:22.865 --> 00:19:27.567
This is you know a guy who he's proven himself over the last few years as a leader in the country.

00:19:27.567 --> 00:19:29.575
But you know a guy who he's proven himself over the last few years as a leader in the country.

00:19:29.575 --> 00:19:41.327
But you know a guy who is a comedian, tv show type guy hopping in the boardroom with the apprentice.

00:19:42.288 --> 00:20:19.540
you know CEO guy like guy like um, so he's definitely gonna be out of his depth trying to like game and negotiate in that setting um especially publicly, because I think that, um, yeah, unfortunately, because, um, because it is like this was a media televised event, um, that means everybody has to be kind of playing the game full bore, you know, thinking about what I say, how I appear, what I do, versus.

00:20:19.540 --> 00:20:23.273
All right, let's, let's close the door, let's talk about these things.

00:20:23.273 --> 00:20:24.096
What are the key issues?

00:20:24.096 --> 00:20:25.079
What do you guys need?

00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:33.217
Here's what we need, here's what we're not going to do, here's what we can do.

00:20:33.237 --> 00:20:42.768
You know, and not for, and not for the sake of, not for some secrecy, backdoor deals, but for just the sake of like, turn the cameras off, like, even like on our you know, we got a little little digital radio show going here.

00:20:43.615 --> 00:20:58.028
We speak and interact differently here than we do when we turn off the record button, yeah, and that doesn't mean we're not genuine, it doesn't mean that we're not coming forward and putting stuff out there that we don't believe, like, that we don't believe in.

00:20:58.028 --> 00:21:10.135
But the way that we present things or the way that we communicate is different, is different.

00:21:10.135 --> 00:21:20.974
And so now, on a way, huge scale, when you have such a big, important meeting happening and it it taking, um, instead of having the meet and greet photo op, talk a few, talk through a few things, even talk through some real things, but then get to the nitty gritty.

00:21:20.974 --> 00:21:30.009
You know, um, with the cameras off, um, that took a turn that forced people, both on both sides, to have to posture, stand strong.

00:21:30.009 --> 00:21:38.865
And you know, frankly, Zelensky doesn't have a leg to stand on because, to Trump's point in their conversation, they wouldn't have lasted three days without US support.

00:21:38.865 --> 00:21:41.061
It would definitely not, would have lasted three years.

00:21:41.061 --> 00:21:42.559
It's been three years on the dot.

00:21:42.980 --> 00:21:43.583
That's crazy.

00:21:43.583 --> 00:21:44.085
It started.

00:21:44.085 --> 00:21:50.398
It's crazy that it's been three years bro, because I remember all of us were like, hopefully it's over in six months one way or the other.

00:21:50.740 --> 00:21:53.098
Yeah exactly, and so it's been a three-year-long war.

00:21:53.098 --> 00:21:56.680
Tons of deaths on both sides.

00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:58.358
It's a nightmare war, any of?

00:21:58.378 --> 00:22:03.061
you guys out there watching the you know the Ukrainian war footage.

00:22:03.061 --> 00:22:03.996
Come back it is.

00:22:03.996 --> 00:22:05.839
You know, it's just a nightmare.

00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:16.208
These guys are out there, really in hell, the way that they're having to fight this thing out and World War One style trench it up and really no movements being made one way or the other.

00:22:16.208 --> 00:22:19.704
At this point it's just a stagnant stalemate of young men dying.

00:22:19.704 --> 00:22:39.347
And so, yeah, zelensky does not have a leg to stand on when it comes to how he addresses the leader of the country who kept him in the game this long and really, maybe or maybe not the country that put him in power in the first place.

00:22:39.347 --> 00:22:48.868
Either Russia or America has chosen the leader of Ukraine for the last handful of presidents.

00:22:49.957 --> 00:22:53.366
Well, people will say no, no, no, it was by election.

00:22:53.366 --> 00:23:06.068
The truth is is like you look into what's going on and the NATO NATO put a ton of effort and funding into Zelensky.

00:23:06.068 --> 00:23:11.738
And if not getting, and they didn't appoint him necessarily, but zielinski was voted for and he won by.

00:23:11.818 --> 00:23:23.071
Like you know, he had like 75 of the vote and and it was one of those votes that was very similar to the 2021 with biden, which was voting against the other guy.

00:23:23.292 --> 00:23:25.276
Yeah, well, I don't know, I don't know enough.

00:23:25.836 --> 00:23:35.499
Maybe well, because because meaning the narrative was or what they're trying to do is just get put anybody in there who's not going to be a Russian puppet oh yeah, right.

00:23:35.499 --> 00:23:38.095
So that was kind of the thing of getting him in there.

00:23:38.095 --> 00:23:55.672
And not to discredit Zelinsky's, I do think people come after him too hard for, like you know, they show, they show footage of him, like his his former career as a comedian doing goofy stuff on stage and like no wonder this is such a shit show because look who's leading this country.

00:23:55.672 --> 00:24:06.378
It's like hey, listen, zelensky, you know, yeah, uh, comedian actor guy also is um is doing doing the job too.

00:24:06.558 --> 00:24:18.117
Like you know, I think lots of, lots of people like overly discredit his like leadership capability, ability to ability to also rally and win over large parts of the world.

00:24:18.117 --> 00:24:26.845
You know, I mean that's a, that's a key piece to the success of Ukraine up to this point is having the ability to have people stand by you.

00:24:26.845 --> 00:24:41.865
I mean there's still still people, there's still ukrainian flags and people's yards in america and on their um, you know whatever, on their cars and these things, you know, and so but it's the interaction.

00:24:41.865 --> 00:24:47.163
I don't think that trump or vance was out of line in the way they interacted.

00:24:47.163 --> 00:24:58.423
Um, I think they were just laying it down thick and you know what, honestly, so many people at this point in america don't have conversations like that conversation they were having.

00:24:58.423 --> 00:25:04.765
Yeah, they don't sit in a real heated, intense conversation, let alone one that's high stakes.

00:25:04.765 --> 00:25:11.059
That really does matter, um, not just economically, but in this case, you're playing with world war three.

00:25:11.401 --> 00:25:13.105
Yeah, that was the crazy scene.

00:25:13.244 --> 00:25:17.884
Yeah, the way he just like laid into him with that one yeah, and you just see, it was like it.

00:25:17.884 --> 00:25:34.189
It sounded to me like a guy who was just telling, kind of laying it out, how it was, yeah, and with the guy with the authority in the room, home field advantage and, um, all the car, like all the cards, which is what Trump said multiple times, which is we have all the cards.

00:25:34.189 --> 00:25:48.208
That was one area where I think there was a language barrier issue, where Trump's like we hold all the cards and Zensky's like we're not playing a game and I don't think I think he was like.

00:25:50.076 --> 00:25:57.467
That was a little part of the conversation where it was like Zelensky kind of thought Trump was saying like is this a game to you?

00:25:57.467 --> 00:25:59.181
He's like it's not a game to me.

00:25:59.181 --> 00:26:06.987
And Trump's saying, using American colloquism, you know, saying you know, hey, we've got the cards in our hand.

00:26:12.815 --> 00:26:23.080
And I kind of do get like I like I saw zielinski a couple post-interview conversations where he's like you know, when someone says your country is a mess and your cities are destroyed and your men are dead, I see that as insulting, that like our.

00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:25.083
But like ukraine is not gone.

00:26:25.083 --> 00:26:26.365
Ukraine still exists.

00:26:26.365 --> 00:26:28.647
Ukraine is and I could see like one.

00:26:28.647 --> 00:26:36.784
The facts are we've all seen the footage Insane destruction in cities, like there are whole villages and communities gone and erased.

00:26:36.784 --> 00:26:38.622
There are a lot of dead men.

00:26:38.622 --> 00:26:40.721
There are a lot of dead women and children.

00:26:40.721 --> 00:26:45.025
There are totally annihilated city blocks.

00:26:45.025 --> 00:26:46.998
Yeah, I get.

00:26:46.998 --> 00:26:48.082
That's not all of Ukraine.

00:26:48.082 --> 00:26:50.663
Ukraine as a people, ukraine as a nation, still stands.

00:26:50.663 --> 00:26:51.961
There are still people who wants to be there.

00:26:52.994 --> 00:26:55.063
However, let's be real, dog.

00:26:55.063 --> 00:27:21.586
When you have a nation that has an insane amount of women and children who have fled it to be asylum seekers in other nations and you're having to get homies at the border to essentially draft them into the war like you're talking about, like the annihilation of a country when people pick up and have to leave, you're talking about the annihilation of a country.

00:27:21.586 --> 00:27:34.799
And I know that's can come off as an insulting thing, I know that could be offensive, but, dude, if you want your country to return and survive, you need to start thinking in the perspective of like, okay, let's stop the damage here.

00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:54.369
And I do understand, like yep, that could be offensive to me as a leader, because there's so many men still fighting and people who gave their lives and stuff, and like there's still, like you know, people rebuilding Um and people who gave their lives and stuff, and like they're still, like you know, people rebuilding um, but it won't last that way forever.

00:27:54.369 --> 00:28:00.955
You know, if you're not, if you're not careful, and if you don't find peace and I think that's a big thing too is like a lot of people just don't want to admit it.

00:28:01.497 --> 00:28:08.849
But like the war is over, dude, russia has not lost the ground they've taken for almost over two years now.

00:28:08.849 --> 00:28:12.041
The war is done, dude.

00:28:12.041 --> 00:28:16.287
Like all that can happen now is it to become Ukrainistan.

00:28:16.287 --> 00:28:24.364
You know just a freaking drag-out fight of just constant death for the next however many years.

00:28:24.364 --> 00:28:26.954
You know 10 years, 20 years.

00:28:26.954 --> 00:28:31.599
Just like you know, know another country in the middle east that's just in constant gridlock, war.

00:28:32.320 --> 00:28:52.605
Or you can have some concession here and be like all right, russia, you keep what you got, um, and ukraine will become a member of nato, uh, but you got to return hostages and stuff and there has to be a ceasefire and there can't be any like aggressive, like acts of aggression taken on either side, um, and but like dude, it's, it's done.

00:28:52.605 --> 00:28:53.567
Man, the war is over.

00:28:53.567 --> 00:29:00.115
Russia got and russia's not also trying to advance anymore like they're, they're trying to just like hold on to what they got.

00:29:00.115 --> 00:29:04.184
Um, I still think russia's an aggressor.

00:29:04.184 --> 00:29:07.118
I still think russia's in the wrong for what they did.

00:29:07.118 --> 00:29:09.317
I think putin is in the wrong for what he did.

00:29:09.317 --> 00:29:25.678
However, like I do think ukraine also, you know, has to accept the unknown, understand like sometimes there's losers in war and like when, and ukraine has lost this war, like it's, it has lost it.

00:29:25.959 --> 00:29:34.019
It cannot win on its own, and the and trump freezing all aid to ukraine is a death knell.

00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:38.288
Yeah, like nato, europe support is not even going to be remotely enough.

00:29:39.657 --> 00:29:41.642
Um so no for sure.

00:29:41.642 --> 00:29:44.087
I was just looking at the population of ukraine.

00:29:44.087 --> 00:29:45.778
They've been.

00:29:45.778 --> 00:29:59.257
Ukraine's been in decline since 1993, which is wild, just like a steady, like other countries are, just like even north korea and like canada's climbing like, going up steady and then.

00:29:59.257 --> 00:30:00.638
But they've been in a decline.

00:30:00.638 --> 00:30:13.124
And then there is, you can see, on the date day the war started, they've lost about 10 million people of their Like have left.

00:30:13.124 --> 00:30:18.853
10 million people have left of their yeah, was it 44 million?

00:30:18.873 --> 00:30:23.982
now they're at 37 million, but anyways, but the just wild to see it.

00:30:23.982 --> 00:30:49.707
So also, it begs the question too, in general, of what's the deal with this country for the last 30 years being in decline, like um, would be indicative of some something that definitely isn't a type of country that could stand on its own without support, and without much less against a country like russia and it's sad, dude, it's sad.

00:30:50.127 --> 00:30:53.281
I don't want to see any nations annihilated, you know what I mean?

00:30:53.281 --> 00:31:06.913
Um, I don't want to see any people's group like forced to be asylums or have to leave, um, and that's why I think, like you have to, you have to swallow the pride and accept, like there need to be concessions, same thing with russia.

00:31:06.913 --> 00:31:08.018
Russia needs to concede.

00:31:08.018 --> 00:31:10.607
And here's the thing, dude, what's the predicted death like?

00:31:10.607 --> 00:31:21.741
It's like russia's predicted casualties from this are like that was like 500 000 or something like I think that's ukraine is 500 000 alone I'll double check.

00:31:22.544 --> 00:31:53.938
yeah, I mean, it's um, it's a lot of people and you know the like you know, and then, especially early on in this, you had like some mass grave stuff going on villages getting wiped out civilian casualties and these things, yeah, and you know, what's interesting to me is a lot of people don't see this war as one that started in 2014.

00:31:54.378 --> 00:32:01.978
I really do see this as a war that started in 2014, had a long break and then really fired back up again in 2022.

00:32:01.978 --> 00:32:17.172
Um, because the this donbass region has been really something that's been fought over quite a bit, um for for quite some time.

00:32:17.172 --> 00:32:21.462
Um, yeah, are you finding any numbers over there?

00:32:22.557 --> 00:32:24.752
Um, definitely not accurate ones.

00:32:24.874 --> 00:32:25.496
Yeah, that's.

00:32:25.536 --> 00:32:40.705
that's the hard thing to know, like it's crazy because, like you know, the numbers all over the place, just because it's of course like you know, it is a war game, but, um, it looks like the russia updated its claim.

00:32:40.705 --> 00:32:45.259
This is I'm just going off of the latest wiki edits, right, uh?

00:32:45.259 --> 00:33:06.865
Mid-december 2024, russia updated its claim of ukrainian military casualties to almost 1 million killed and wounded, of ukrainian yeah, since 2022 since 2022, yeah, since this fight um, which is like no way, dude, no, no way.

00:33:06.945 --> 00:33:07.827
There was a million.

00:33:07.827 --> 00:33:18.491
Leaked US intelligence document cited the Russian FSB that Russian forces suffered 110,000 casualties by the 28th of February 2023.

00:33:18.491 --> 00:33:25.241
See, these numbers just like are so skewed and flipping back and forth Like there's no way there's been a million.

00:33:25.241 --> 00:33:27.842
There's not even been a million Ukrainian soldiers.

00:33:28.684 --> 00:33:28.885
Right.

00:33:31.056 --> 00:33:44.932
A former Ukrainian prosecutor general, also a member of the opposition party, european Solidarity, said on Ukrainian television in January 24 that around 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed or wounded.

00:33:44.932 --> 00:33:49.926
So 500,000 casualties, casualties, not 500 000 dead, um.

00:33:49.926 --> 00:34:14.626
But yeah, so I mean, if we're looking at just like the estimates of like how many have died in total, I mean we're probably looking at close to like I'd imagine, one and a half to two million casual like casualties as a whole, you know of like dead, wounded, um and missing, and that's like not just you know military but civilians as well.

00:34:14.626 --> 00:34:18.617
Right, but it's just pretty crazy, man.

00:34:18.617 --> 00:34:34.277
It's hard to wrap your head around a number like that and like with this conflict, because I think we're so used to like you know Americans are used to like the global war on terror, that war of like 20 years and total death.

00:34:34.277 --> 00:34:38.827
Total American death toll related to that was sub 20,000.

00:34:38.827 --> 00:34:48.726
I think, if I remember correctly, and the like overall casualty was estimated to be like under 200,000, entire entirely.

00:34:50.295 --> 00:35:07.670
I have to look up the like guat numbers again yeah, yeah, it says uh stuff saying you know, basically, 7 000 americans dead yeah, g-watt stuff, but I'm thinking of total casualties, total casualties, um, total casualties, total casualties.

00:35:07.670 --> 00:35:08.391
This is a bad number.

00:35:08.391 --> 00:35:14.601
Civilians that have been killed in the GWAT 387,000 people.

00:35:14.601 --> 00:35:17.340
That's a bad number.

00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:21.387
That's how you make generational war.

00:35:21.387 --> 00:35:22.655
Yeah, no kidding.

00:35:22.655 --> 00:35:27.067
I mean yeah, not good.

00:35:27.067 --> 00:35:37.375
I mean yeah, not good, yeah 387,000 categorized as civilians.

00:35:43.351 --> 00:35:44.255
Yeah, it's crazy.

00:35:44.255 --> 00:36:00.958
Yeah, for Russia, ukraine, I mean, there's only two ways to go, and that's for both sides to be okay with where the kind of the lines stand and agree to them, or to just keep fighting it out yeah, you know, yeah it.

00:36:01.097 --> 00:36:20.208
I do think that ultimately, like I do ultimately agree with zielinski that whatever happens now is only good for four years, unless we have another very strong and feared like president you know what I mean.

00:36:20.208 --> 00:36:32.239
Like if, if there is a president that just comes in and, you know, somehow wins it, but it comes off soft and stuff, like there's no, there's no peace, that would be held, yeah, um.

00:36:32.239 --> 00:37:02.427
So anyways, with that um, the other thing they got people freaking, losing their minds is, uh, trump's latest like not latest I, but a tweet he let out this week about how anyone who's partaking in illegal protests will be jailed and if they're illegals they'll be ex like or not illegals, but if they're immigrants they'll be removed from the country.

00:37:03.036 --> 00:37:06.456
And this was for he was speaking specifically to colleges, yeah, colleges.

00:37:06.456 --> 00:37:17.731
He said all federal funding will stop for any college or university that allows illegal protests and that agitators will be imprisoned or sent back to their countries where they came from.

00:37:17.731 --> 00:37:24.568
And then also asking, and then saying, demanding, to not wear masks at these things.

00:37:25.875 --> 00:37:27.722
Which I saw All right.

00:37:27.722 --> 00:37:29.085
So here's my first thing on that.

00:37:29.085 --> 00:37:33.742
I'm like my first question immediately what's an illegal protest?

00:37:33.742 --> 00:37:35.106
You know how I answered that.

00:37:35.106 --> 00:37:39.097
I looked up definitions underneath covid.

00:37:39.097 --> 00:37:42.384
What protests were illegal under uh covid?

00:37:43.226 --> 00:37:49.963
those are get some rowdy legal protests then, I guess well, no, because a lot of the protests were illegal.

00:37:50.485 --> 00:37:55.155
but then there were legally sanctioned protests that were exempt, right, okay.

00:37:55.155 --> 00:38:07.461
And so I was looking at, like, how they categorize, because you know, we're not in COVID, and immediately someone's knee jerk reaction might be like Mick, you freaking tard, we're not in COVID, we're not at risk of spreading disease.

00:38:07.461 --> 00:38:12.800
Yeah, freaking tarred, we're not in covid, we're not at risk of spreading disease.

00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:24.083
Yeah, and I would say to that, yes, but the the justification they had for um, outlawing protests and specific protests and stuff during covid was due to its danger to others.

00:38:24.083 --> 00:38:37.094
Right, like a protest that becomes violent or is like a danger to to the public is now illegal it's not necessarily a riot yet, but it is because it is illegal, as well as one that damages property.

00:38:37.978 --> 00:38:50.389
And then there's a few more categories of like how protests become illegal without becoming riots, and that's what I saw like in general, that I I was scrolling the old Reddit page and it was the.

00:38:50.389 --> 00:38:54.335
Every other post was about this Trump tweet and everyone losing their freaking morals.

00:38:54.335 --> 00:39:03.981
And the number one uh like comment, like it was almost at the top of every single one of these things Everybody was liking and loving on.

00:39:03.981 --> 00:39:13.916
Um was um, like there's no such thing as an illegal protest, or so much for the first amendment.

00:39:13.916 --> 00:39:17.065
Or like these, like these are against my rights.

00:39:17.065 --> 00:39:21.099
Every protest is legal and that's what I, where I'd like to say.

00:39:21.099 --> 00:39:28.702
There's a definition of protest that is protected by your constitutional right.

00:39:28.702 --> 00:39:36.641
There's another type of protesting that's no longer protected Because you know what I can't do All sorts of stuff.

00:39:36.641 --> 00:39:40.836
There's all sorts of things you can't do Just because I don't like it.

00:39:40.836 --> 00:39:47.608
I can't just weld on a bunch of steel plates to my bulldozer and just go.

00:39:47.608 --> 00:39:48.460
You can't do that.

00:39:48.460 --> 00:39:49.304
Go in an act't do that.

00:39:49.304 --> 00:39:50.773
Go in an act of protest.

00:39:51.034 --> 00:39:56.918
It was an act of protest, right oh well, are you talking about doing something more than just welding steel plates to?

00:39:56.958 --> 00:40:05.523
the dozer, yeah, well, yeah, and then taking it out around town, and just you know I mean you can drive a bulldozer around town knocking over buildings.

00:40:05.824 --> 00:40:07.068
Oh, I think that.

00:40:07.068 --> 00:40:08.454
I think you can't knock down buildings with it.

00:40:08.454 --> 00:40:10.943
I disagree with what they believe in or how they treated me.

00:40:10.943 --> 00:40:14.764
That's true, just because I'm like, listen, big city burrito.

00:40:14.764 --> 00:40:21.715
I don't like the way that you price your burritos because that's my opinion.

00:40:21.715 --> 00:40:23.757
They're not as good as they once were, because that's my opinion.

00:40:23.757 --> 00:40:29.108
I can't just come in here and throw a brick through your window in protest.

00:40:29.108 --> 00:40:30.496
That is an act of protest.

00:40:30.496 --> 00:40:31.518
Guess what?

00:40:31.518 --> 00:40:34.744
Reddit feed people.

00:40:34.744 --> 00:40:39.773
It's illegal, so anyways, okay, I think you gotta.

00:40:39.835 --> 00:40:53.429
I think you gotta do a little bit more here to help, like, outline what makes it legal right it's like yeah it is because they're, because, I would say, throwing bricks through windows is not protests, it's rioting.

00:40:53.429 --> 00:40:54.590
I'd say it's effective.

00:40:55.510 --> 00:40:56.657
Okay, I'm not saying it's legal.

00:40:56.657 --> 00:40:58.021
I don't think it's that effective.

00:40:58.021 --> 00:40:59.485
Throwing bricks through windows.

00:40:59.485 --> 00:41:00.882
It gets people's attention.

00:41:00.882 --> 00:41:04.115
That's what I'm saying in an active protest you want to get people's attention.

00:41:04.135 --> 00:41:11.449
I'll say this hey, anyone who's listening right, throwing bricks in my window will effectively net you returning fire.

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I guarantee you, if I catch you throwing bricks through my window at me and my family, my first response will not be like oh my gosh, I guess I better do what they're saying.

00:41:23.806 --> 00:41:24.976
Or?

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like man.

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I really think that's beautiful what they're doing out there.

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If only I could do something, but it's protected underneath their first amendment exactly um, okay, here's the thing, pat you get.

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You do have to outline for people, because a lot of people aren't going to accept just like a blanketing, like that's not protected, right, and of course people be like well, yeah, throwing bricks through windows is rioting.

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It's literally like when a protest becomes an event that can cause violence or harm to others, and like by harm they mean like literal physical harm where, like if a protest on a, let's say, let's say you're protesting, but your location of protesting is literally outside a hospital, like you will be moved off property by law enforcement and you might be arrested because you're protesting, could be literally impeding life-saving measures for another individual right or um, if you're protesting on a college campus, right and um, you are getting into the point where you're barring people from accessing their resources that are provided to them and funded by the state.

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The state is funding this campus, so students can then be there to learn and attend class.

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You are actually violating their rights and therefore your speech is now inhibitive and it is no longer protected.

00:42:48.922 --> 00:42:52.224
And there's like this is not Mick making stuff up?

00:42:52.224 --> 00:42:59.119
There's a lot of precedent case law here about how, when you can protest and where, and especially when it comes to federal property.

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I know a lot of us think on the right-leaning, more conservative side well, if my tax is paid for it's federal property, it's public property.

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I should should be able to do it.

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Truth is is that when you're protesting on federally funded property like that, the fed government has the right to withhold your right to protest on that property and that's why permitting protest permits exist right, because you need to get a permit to protest there.

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So that way you're not disrupting others access to that public space.

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There's a war going on on the other side of the ocean between two groups of people who've hated each other and warred for a long time.

00:43:51.893 --> 00:44:04.010
But then on this college campus there's people who subscribe to the religion of the people group who's fighting over there.

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You know like, say, if you're a jew, um, and like people are like angry about you being.

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People are like no jews on this campus, yeah, and then they're like you're telling me that's not protected, protesting, and then they start like hitting you and like spitting at you, not letting you go to class.

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They start saying stuff like jihad, yeah.

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And making you hide in your dorm room yeah, um you tell me, that's not protected, that's illegal.

00:44:30.487 --> 00:44:32.619
Oh wow, that's crazy dude.

00:44:32.619 --> 00:44:39.889
I think the orange man got a little tired of on campuses some of this.

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There's not campus protests going on right now about seed oils in their cafeteria, which maybe they should be, but no, the protests have become violent.

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Lots of people have gotten hurt.

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Lots of people felt very unsafe on both sides, particularly on one side.

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I'll be honest you don't see a ton of injured people on one side.

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You do see a lot of Jews beat up on college campuses, but you're not seeing a lot of like the Muslim kids getting beat up.

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What I will say is when, when, the, when the Jewish people decide to engage, it does become violent very quickly, Like cause, it's like, it's like a I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a.

00:45:29.146 --> 00:45:49.983
I'll say this I've never, I've never found myself winning the art in argument with someone of like the Jewish, like faith, Like they're they're very good at arguing and very good at getting you heated up and or and or what I'm dealing with it?

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I don't have to.

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No, I'm not responding to this.

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