The Mick & Pat Show - Horror Films, Faith, and Fiery Debates

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How many of the true brewing beers did you guys go through there's?

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quite a few.

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Those are all ones we've tried.

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Well, those are the ones we've tried together.

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I have several more that.

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I've ventured on my own Is that eight, probably.

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Those have all been done on the show Nice.

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I like how they're all demonic.

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What?

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No, dude, they're not demonic.

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Yeah, they are.

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They're darker.

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Not a big symbol guy huh.

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Chapel of ghouls.

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That's not demonic.

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You think that's evil?

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That witch coming out of the water, siren, the siren, and we're rolling, we're in it.

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That doesn't make it demonic, that just makes it evil.

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They're all evil Gothi.

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The only one that's not, I think, the only one that I'm like Blood Axe is that evil.

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I think it's pushing evil, but I like that golden sword one.

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What's that one?

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I can't see it from here.

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Skull Seeker.

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Yeah, that's pretty brutal.

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Is the sword going through the skull?

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Yeah, never mind.

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And there's a sword going through the skull.

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Yeah, never mind, they're all Dude.

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The Nazareth is not demonic.

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That's just like a wasteland traveler, that's true, you mean the yeah, but he's like the gas mask guy.

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Yeah.

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The post-apocalyptic gas mask?

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Are you the kind of guy that thinks that horror movies are not demonic?

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What do you mean like not demonic?

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There are definitely horror movies that are like around demons horror movies are demonic I mean, I've never felt possessed or anything by one, but I do.

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I do enjoy horror movies a lot yeah, I I think they're cool too.

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I just don't watch them anymore because they scare you, because they're demonic yeah, I, I, I too have.

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The only reason I watch horror movies is for the show.

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I do it for the kids, sure, but um, I don't, uh, I don't engage them because I agree that I think they now, I think occasionally not that big a deal and certain ones they're just bad for your soul, but I'll do it for the kids here on the show.

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You know I'm saying sure I get what you guys are saying.

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I guess I've just never felt that way when it comes to horror movies.

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I feel that way more when it comes to like brutal true stories that are like just I feel awfully like jaded and nihilistic about like a hotel Rwanda.

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I honestly don't think that one is that, no, but I definitely think like there's a, there's like a vein of films that I feel like are just purely glorifying the like consume everything, give nothing and accept you die alone in a tub.

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Sure, you know what I mean.

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Mm-hmm, I almost would say this I feel grosser watching most like autobiographies than I do horror movies.

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All right, Because I also.

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I just Because they get into the gross detail of these people.

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Well, I filter out horror movies that I think are just like if a horror movie, if a horror movie's purpose is purely like shock factor, body horror, gore sure it doesn't one, it doesn't scare me, it just is like unsettling and I'm not interested in it.

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But like horror movies that are legit, like metaphorical or even like based in truth, like that, I think, is like I think, it's exploring a deeper, I think.

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Yeah, it's like a more man yeah, it's a more human like a thing for me, and I guess it's also one of those things like I remember being a kid and having nightmares, right, and I just had terrible, terrible nightmares, terrible night terrors.

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I couldn't watch horror movies as a kid because I was just like I wouldn't sleep.

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I couldn't handle the fear and the anxiety.

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I just remember someone telling me, I can't remember who, but they're like oh, you're in, you're in total control in your dreams, like you can.

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The things in your dreams are only scary because you give them the power to be scary and like you can have authority over that stuff.

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And I was like, okay, I'll try that and sure enough, that's like 100, true?

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Um, if you can develop the uh, like actual, I would say like habit of being self-realizing your dreams, right.

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Same thing, I think, applies to like truly like the most darkest evil, like which is like spiritual warfare, right, and I think I truly believe spiritual warfare is a hundred percent real.

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I truly believe I have seen, you know, evil, twisted things that I wouldn't, I don't even know like.

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The term spirit is right, because I truly view like spirit as like a human soul that goes on to an afterlife.

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Right, like things that are like, have no purpose or have no place, being on the same plane of existence.

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It's like supernatural, I would say yeah, I would say like I'd say ghouls.

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I'd say I'd seen some fucking ghouls in my day.

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All right, Some, some, some demons, scooby-doo term I think I've heard all week.

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Well, because you say demons and immediately the connotation's religion, right, which all three of us are very devout Christians, right.

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But I think if you describe it in like I would say I don't necessarily believe in quote-unquote, well, I shouldn't say that I do believe in ghosts.

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I do believe that there's a very thin narrow margin for ghosts to occupy in, and I believe that's contextualized in scripture.

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Right, it's the, it's the ritualistic summoning and calling upon, just like um Saul does when calling.

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Solomon.

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Yeah, but I don't believe in like a soul that isn't somewhere else, that is just roaming earth, but I do believe in like malicious and also benevolent supernatural beings that will at times occupy like our material plane and I, whether that, whether you want to be scripturally based on it, say like demons and quote, unquote devils, depends on you know, if you discern like there's only one devil and then there's a bunch of demons, right, there's a lot of variation of definitions here.

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And then of course, angels or other celestial creatures, right, other celestial beings like, um, you know, angels is grouping, of course, a ton of like the seraphim the cherubims, stuff like that right, it's so.

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It's like one of those things, like I believe in all of those and I believe I've seen examples of each to a degree more so that darkness evil and I've also believed like it is through my awareness of like faith and like how those things are, like what the rules are around those things, is why I feel like I don't fear them or and I feel comfortable watching things about that, like I don't watch it out of like the oh, this isn't real, this is just fun.

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Or out of the oh, man, if, maybe we should summon a demon to test it.

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Like none of that stuff, right, but it is out of like, that thing of like perhaps like I've heard it phrased by a more spiritually wise man than I, but he phrased he's like there's a degree of like.

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Do you watch other people's?

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You might watch it like a movie about people hunting because it helps you relive the hunt.

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Or you watch like a movie that's an overlapping experience because it helps you process or relive that.

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I genuinely think like demonic horror and stuff like that.

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There's a degree of that that I find almost like not comforting but just maybe cathartic and like yeah, dude, that's real and that happens and like that provides validity to.

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I feel like some, my experience is the experience of others.

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Maybe you view it through a different lens than just someone sitting there who wants to be scared, like like people who just love the scare, that sort of thing, sure I do enjoy.

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I do enjoy the feeling of like, I like, okay, they, they, they nailed it.

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I believe this is real and there is a there is an excitement to that, but I it's been forever since I've been scared you know, or I settled, by no means would I say that there's like there's a lot of horror movies that are like good films, sure right like they're well made, they're well written, like not taking that away from it all, but uh, I like look at it like when you do things you're opening, you're opening spiritual doors.

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Yeah, right, yeah, that's like.

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And to say like all right, well, if you're in control, then you can do it.

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That's like all right, well, if you're in control, then you can do it.

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That's like saying like I can smoke crack because I'm in control.

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You know, like I'm just going to try it because I know that after I'm in control, like I got this crack.

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Okay, I mean, I'm not even going to lie, I'm not even going to disagree with, not even gonna disagree with you.

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Sometimes, when I'm like like there's this movie that came out called uh, uh, what was it just recently, I can't remember.

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Um haunt, though I don't see it demonic haunt is, like, I think, schlocky entertainment like I do think there's a lot of horror movies I enjoy because they're just like very schlocky, entertaining, like classic run for your life from a serial killer to dean's point, he's just.

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He was using the, the umbrella term that we would use, like when you're engaging in putting, letting the portals of your soul, which are your eyeballs, engage in naughtiness and or destructive things, demonic in that of like horror movies.

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It's just meaning it's like, yeah, you could be like, yeah, the exorcist, demonic, haunt, slasher, whatever, but like sure to your point being, if I'm assuming right, was like overarching, like this is just a a thing you got to be careful about putting into your soul.

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Yeah, yeah you're opening.

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You're opening spiritual doors and in the same way I would say, like pornography is the same that was well, that would be.

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My other is like I've never felt guilt watching a horror movie and I've never felt shame or something from it.

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I have left like asking questions or perplexed, but I still avert my eyes from any kind of nudity and I out, I go out of my way to not watch like films that are heavy in like sexual content, right, just because I do feel like that is opening the door to allow myself to be like spiritually tempted to watch pornography or something like that, right.

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But like, if I watch a horror movie, I feel no temptation to engage in any thing other than a thought experiment of you know what does God's word say about that you know X, y, z thing?

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Or, honestly, like even for a lot of other horror ones, it's just more of like I see them as like creative what's the term?

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I guess I just see them as like a creative expression that is like borderline enjoyable.

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Creative what's the term?

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I guess I just see him as a creative expression that is borderline enjoyable.

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Some people would say that at a good old classic porn film.

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No, no, you're right, I'm not denying that I'm not going to deny that, king Dong.

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No, no, that's a good point.

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We watch Portrait of God.

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Um, bro dude, uh, no, no, that's a good point.

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Um, but I let me.

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Yeah, we watch portrait of god.

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Yeah, and that was.

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That was a scary short film.

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It was a scary short, but I don't see that as like yeah, uh, uh, evil thing to like open and like can take, take part, and I see that as like a, as like a appreciation of like wow, this is a very like, this is a very well done film with a very eerie point to it that I am not gonna like invest anything, I'm not gonna be like wow, actually, yeah, god is an evil, malicious creature, but I see it and I'm like, damn, that was like really well done, like that, the concept was very well executed yeah, and I think that one.

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What's demonic is whatever just came out of your dog.

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That that is.

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That is a wretched dog fart right now that I'm experiencing.

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No, dude, that's a dog, but anyways, like some beef liver dog fart.

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it's like beef liver and duck jerky Last time I almost got executed.

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Well, because you cracked one of these on a bruiser review before we did the thing.

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That's true, and if you guys haven't noticed, there's three of us here.

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Oh yeah, Sorry Dean's here.

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We got Dean in the house Dean's back.

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He's our number one guest.

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It's been a while On attendance.

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You know it's been a while On attendance you know it's been a while since I've been here.

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I mean outside of.

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Did he go by Wayne?

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He did go by Wayne.

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Outside of Wayne, you're my favorite guest.

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Wow, Wayne ranks number one, just because Wayne's Wayne bro.

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Yeah, but also we got Mr Paul.

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Okay, I mean Paul's cool too.

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Right, paul's also awesome, but I'm not like lifelong friends with Paul like I've been lifelong friends with this dude.

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That's true, I hear you, I hear you, I hear you, but the—.

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This guy just immediately knows what to do when he comes on the pod.

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He just knows to get in the groove.

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Yeah, we didn't even say we were starting the show, because welcome to the Mick and Pat Show folks.

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Little bit of audio for you.

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We're just having a conversation about some, you know, little porn.

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Yeah, porn and angels, um, and demons, um.

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I wonder what youtube will do with like what the ai will do for our description as we talk about that.

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It's like a little like rom, jeremy, like cherub, um, no, but the I think what I was going to say was, in the context of this, like would be, you know, all things in moderation, right, yeah, and then that, just that blanket phrase, and then also like the age of someone, of their ability to deal with it, and so I do think of like engaging the topics and the things, especially that horror movies bring up.

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Um, I don't think it's good for very for, like, young people to watch them and, to, and to consume like excess amounts of them.

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I don't think you're also appropriate for, like an adult, to consume excess amounts of them.

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And because we can like you to your point, you're saying I know this is a movie and I can appreciate it for its storytelling, its deeper message and all these things, versus like 12-year-old watching the Exorcist.

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I don't know.

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Maybe they can't appreciate it or understand or comprehend what's going on.

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Same thing as, like some people might say like hey, you're 42, smoke the j, sure, sure, hey, you're 10, what don't smoke the j?

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you know what I mean, like give me the best or first horror movie you saw best or first dude.

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I can't even remember the first one because I couldn't finish.

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I would say like quote, like borderline, the first horror movie I ever saw, that I watched the whole way through and I know you're gonna laugh at this, but predator dude predator, predator is like at like third grade predator made me go from like oh yeah, this movie's awesome.

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It's an action movie to like.

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It's out there in the woods bro.

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The first predator predator movie that I saw was actually alien versus predator, which was not that good, but it was still great as a kid.

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It was awesome as a fifth grader.

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Yeah, and sure you know I didn't see any horror movies till high school.

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Pirates of the Caribbean was like 16, 17 at that point.

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Pirates of the Caribbean, actually, I will say that would scare me.

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That would scare me bad when I was a kid.

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The zombies.

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Yeah, would scale to be bad.

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When I was a kid, okay, when I saw how old the zombies yeah, the, particularly the monkey, the monkey one, all right.

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So I was, so we did.

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We watched pirates of the caribbean.

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Yeah, what, how old I mean I was, oh, six, maybe, yeah, so like I was like sixth grade, fifth grade pretty young.

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Yeah, now I, we watched that movie.

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I guess you could say as the first horror movie, because when he sticks his hand into the moonlight, yeah, oh yeah, and that turns into a skeleton, that's the first time you go.

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This isn't just a disney movie, you know, like this is like I've been used to pocahontas and snow white, you know, and whatever dude, I had nightmares of them coming up out of the tub yep, yep, like because they come out of the water when they climb on the boat.

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yeah, and, and they're just like yeah.

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And that scene where they just they're at the end when they're ambushing, yeah, and they're just walking as skeletons.

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Yeah, I mean, because I was fairly young, that might classify as my first horror movie, because also remember when the monkey comes out as a skeleton, as a jump scare, yeah, that got me so bad and I watched this with my parents and I did.

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You know, I might have been a sixth grader maybe it's a little too old for this I was like fifth or sixth grade, but I was like dad, like I was worked up.

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He laid in bed with me.

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Oh yeah, yeah for sure.

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Also, I had a curious george stuffed animal.

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Oh, yeah, it was like know, it was over on the wall.

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Curious George is tainted now.

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Well, my dad couldn't resist the opportunity.

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No way, we're like say, and we're talking and.

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I'm all calmed down and then he grabs the monkey and out of the corner of my eye he goes and I lost my mind, dude, and I mean he got me so bad.

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He thought it was hilarious.

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Well, he did for about half a second till you realize like, oh, like that was funny for an adult and I feel bad for what, like I was put in the moment, vinny.

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so, personally care being, I'm gonna go with first horror movie that came out in 2003 actually, so if you saw it in theaters you were like third grade yeah, okay, okay.

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So I wasn't, yeah, because I was young enough that my dad laid down on my bunk bed with me, kind of like you know, but then he got me with the monkey.

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Oh, I remember that to this day.

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That's funny.

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And then it wasn't until high school that I started, you know, like mostly watching those movies so that you could hopefully like hold, hold a girl's hand or like you know yeah we'd get together as a group of all of us high schoolers, and you know scare them.

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I think the first one I actually saw like I I saw jaws way too young.

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I don't remember it at all.

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I think I saw it like before I saw as my brain was still at the age of development where it could like black, block things out.

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Yeah, so like my mom, because my mom said that I the age of development where it could like black, block things out.

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Yeah, so like my mom, cause my mom said that I was terrified of taking a bath or swimming in the pool.

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Afterwards I have no recollection of any experience of being afraid to get in the tub.

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That's how you know you did something wrong.

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You're like damn it Like.

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Do you like like?

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my mom and she swears like I was scared as I'm like dude I.

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I can remember the first time I watched that movie with my grandfather in sixth grade when we rented it.

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But the real first horror movie I think that I saw was with my grandfather and he was like let's rent the birds.

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Oh yeah, I watched that with my great grandfather.

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Got me dude, dude.

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I remember I was watching it.

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It's a black and white movie.

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You're like classic, boring black and white movie.

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Then a jump cuts to the dude with his eyes pulled out and the birds pecking in his skull.

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You were like, oh dude, the image of that guy's eyeless face with birds eating his like brains was that hitchcock.

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Yeah, in in like black and white is so seared into my brain like I can see it clear as day.

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Still, I don't think I've seen that movie actually dude it was a decent movie, yeah, and what's crazy about it is it was like one of the first apocalyptic movies.

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If I told you this, I'd be like here's the story and it's in black and white, old-timey movie.

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It switches to color at one point, yep, yep, but like just to be like old movie.

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You know, here's the deal.

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What's it called the birds.

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It was just like listen blackbirds, just like come to a town and like attack people.

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You'd be like not scary 1963.

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Yeah, you'd like not scary, but it was.

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It was scary.

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It scared people.

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I remember, I remember I watched it with my great-grandfather and my mom.

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It freaked me out, got me pretty scared.

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Yeah, and if we're going with other uh, other scary, like because of age, I did my mom which funny is my mom, like conservative christian, protected me from a lot of things, um, but what's funny is she just didn't realize.

00:20:24.101 --> 00:20:30.327
She sat me down by myself and I watched jurassic park when I was five see I, I was same age.

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Yeah, no horror, no fear at all saw, just pure amazement, pure wonder.

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Yeah, I was like, oh, dinosaurs are cool, like I, people screaming as they're eating.

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I'm like that's fine, yeah, I I was.

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I wasn't ready for that.

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They're hungry, it's okay.

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I wasn't ready for the for the real people being eaten when I'm supposed to be watching barney you know um for real I remember, like it, it was within that like two hour runtime of that movie.

00:20:56.352 --> 00:21:03.589
Whatever its runtime is, I went from being a I love construction trucks, I love twack.

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Toes To like these are dumb.

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Give me dinosaurs, give me dinosaurs, give me dinosaurs and army men.

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So dude, I literally just entertain myself with my dinosaurs eating army men.

00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:15.811
For decades.

00:21:15.811 --> 00:21:21.946
Yeah, yeah, four to seven decades, we don't know yet it's still going, actually.

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I'm still entertaining myself with that.

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Actually, it's just, I do it with friends now, and every friday night it's called dungeons and dragons.

00:21:28.579 --> 00:21:33.092
But like, um, no, dude, I love those movies.

00:21:33.092 --> 00:21:58.030
I will say all right to your point, though, dean, my favorite horror movie, those are like the first ones I can roll my favorite one, though, is a very, it's a very dark movie it's, but it is very much on the spectrum of like spiritual warfare reality, um, and I'd say I'd say it's tied for two.

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There's one that's called where evil works.

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That is like a.

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They're both foreign actually.

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Uh, this one is like a out of mexico, I believe, or argentina, and it's really weird.

00:22:08.647 --> 00:22:18.873
It's not like overly stated, but there is some kind of transmitted like epidemic of you know, a demon.

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Like you can, you can literally contract some kind of demon possession and there are certain people that are older now that remember the ways of how to get rid of them, and no one lives in the cities anymore.

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Everyone lives like out in like small, more rural village and communities and it's like there's immediately no like debate of like what is going on.

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They just find this dude really like fat and bulbous and infected, like it's like straight out of like the old testament, and they're like oh, he's, he, he's one of them and like they.

00:22:52.413 --> 00:22:58.035
The word they use is weird like it's, it's like the spanish word for like consumer.

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Yeah, no, seriously, yeah, and like and like.

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They're like.

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There's a special way you have to do it, because if you don't do it the right way, the demon gets to essentially continually like possess and move from host to host throughout, like this community, right, um, and it was just unreal how well done it was and it's like clearly a small budget.

00:23:18.525 --> 00:23:38.131
But you watch it and you're like, yeah, that could, that could be for for real, like that in the future of people who are like not spiritually prepared, like you have no idea, like what the end of the world is going to be like, you know in the end times, you know according to revelation, right, and it was just like a very sobering take on like and there's some, there's some pretty crazy stuff, uh.

00:23:38.131 --> 00:23:56.646
And then the other one is about this cop who's undercover as a priest and he's investigating a like romanian monastery where a ton of women have been like disappearing around in the in the area, and, uh, I don't want to spoil that one, but it was really good too what's the name of that one?

00:23:56.747 --> 00:23:59.561
I gotta look it up, uh, but it was that one was like all like.

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It was constantly on the knife edge of like.

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Is this movie going to confirm supernatural?

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Occultism of possessions, or is this a stunt and this priesthood is actually kidnapping and murdering women?

00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:25.959
Kind of like that first season of True Detective where you're like is this happening or not, I don't know, but either way it's bad, I don't know, but either way it's bad.

00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.319
I don't think that I saw any quality horror movies as a kid because they were always like.

00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:42.730
Actually, I saw one and I will say this is a pretty good movie, but there's a collection of the first One of them that I think was the first one I saw was a collection of a few of them that I think were amongst the first that I saw.

00:24:42.730 --> 00:24:47.638
One Jeepers, creepers, oh, classic, yeah, two of them that I think were amongst the first that I saw one jeepers, creepers, oh classic, yeah.

00:24:47.659 --> 00:24:54.152
Two, so entertaining, uh, not even more of like a horror slash, just like odd movie.

00:24:54.152 --> 00:24:58.308
But freddy versus jason, oh yeah, that's kind of almost a comedy now, yeah, yep.

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And then, uh, the texas chainsaw massacre.

00:25:01.479 --> 00:25:03.844
Those were like the first three that I saw g1.

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Yes, I, I.

00:25:06.449 --> 00:25:09.654
I had to wait until like two years ago before I had the courage to watch that.

00:25:09.980 --> 00:25:11.432
I watched it when I was five.

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That's brutal dude, and that's maybe why I actually hate it, and you were probably fucked up.

00:25:17.241 --> 00:25:24.569
I watched that like two years ago during the day, I was like man, this movie is like all over the place and doesn't seem to be very coherent.

00:25:24.569 --> 00:25:26.112
The sound design is really off.

00:25:26.112 --> 00:25:30.175
It was definitely made for like $1,000, $10,000, right.

00:25:30.175 --> 00:25:43.818
But you see that and I can see very clearly like you watch that and you have no idea how to make sense of it, and you're just like old houses in rural parts of wherever, never going.

00:25:43.919 --> 00:25:49.040
In them, yeah, yeah, in them, yeah, yeah.

00:25:49.040 --> 00:25:49.521
Well, and then the.

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The next one was like, uh, definitely like more quality, but still as strange, right, like, because there's like you have jeepers, creepers and you have fray versus jason, which you can like look at those and be like these are ridiculous, right, but, like as a kid, there's some like frightening aspects to it jeepers, creepers.

00:26:03.188 --> 00:26:04.132
Couldn't finish it turned it off as a kid.

00:26:04.132 --> 00:26:05.256
There's some like frightening aspects to it Jeepers.

00:26:05.256 --> 00:26:07.240
Creepers couldn't finish, it Turned it off as a kid Dude.

00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:09.548
I remember like the truck honking as he's chasing them on the road.

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Yeah.

00:26:10.401 --> 00:26:19.451
I turned it off because I was like I did a lot of road trips with my mom and I was legit so scared seeing that I was like, oh my God, someone could drive us off the road on a road trip.

00:26:30.619 --> 00:26:36.518
And I remember turning it off at like and I think I actually saw the second one before I saw the first one with the high schoolers, yeah, on the bus, and what I remember is driving the blockbuster with my dad in his like old ford yeah, to probably go get another horror movie.

00:26:36.518 --> 00:26:53.872
Yeah, and like, just I'm in like this, like this spider-man costume that I had for my birthday when I was like four, and I'm just all I can think of is I'm just about to get ripped through the roof of this car, like claws are gonna come down, just grab me by the shoulders and just tear me out like all the high schoolers on that bus.

00:26:53.872 --> 00:26:54.934
That's terrifying.

00:26:56.338 --> 00:27:13.045
Yeah, no bueno, yeah you don't have a you don't have a favorite one that you ever saw where you were just like that was an objectively good movie honestly that when I, when I think of a horror movie that I'm like, oh, this was like a, a good movie that I like, enjoyed, enjoyed watching.

00:27:13.045 --> 00:27:15.111
They're actually more comedy than they were horror.

00:27:15.111 --> 00:27:21.044
It was like, uh, like the first, like they're not even horror movies, they're like they're mockeries, like the scary movie, like tucker and dale versus evil you ever see that?

00:27:21.064 --> 00:27:22.067
uh-huh, that is a great movie, it is a good one.

00:27:22.067 --> 00:27:23.431
Tucker and Dale versus evil you ever see that?

00:27:23.431 --> 00:27:25.836
Uh-huh, that is a great movie, it is a good one.

00:27:25.836 --> 00:27:27.968
Tucker and Dale versus evil is like I think.

00:27:27.968 --> 00:27:30.538
Maybe that movie will get rid of anyone's fear of horror movies.

00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:33.048
Yeah, that's, that's why I liked those kinds of movies.

00:27:33.048 --> 00:27:41.932
It's like you like watch these horrific movies and then you watch a comedy of them and it like really lightens the mood, you know I'm gonna save this.

00:27:42.092 --> 00:27:44.154
I have a good story about scary story.

00:27:44.154 --> 00:27:45.942
I mean not scary stories, a scary movie and stuff.

00:27:45.942 --> 00:27:49.531
Uh, because that, to your point, that's 100 something I had had as a kid.

00:27:49.531 --> 00:27:54.776
Pat, where were you gonna say four favorite yeah, favorite horror movie?

00:27:54.776 --> 00:27:56.661
I made you watch a couple good ones.

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We've watched a couple stinkers I, I'm gonna go with the Saw series.

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I just liked it, the series as a whole.

00:28:04.813 --> 00:28:06.997
I mean like the idea of it.

00:28:07.099 --> 00:28:09.188
Yeah it's maybe one of the best series.

00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:10.365
Like it fell apart.

00:28:10.365 --> 00:28:13.749
I will be honest, I loved the first movie, Saw 18, you know.

00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:15.265
The first movie I thought was great.

00:28:15.265 --> 00:28:16.362
Yeah, everyone.

00:28:16.362 --> 00:28:18.568
After that I was like these fucking suck.

00:28:19.348 --> 00:28:42.104
Well, because these might have been the first ones, I really sat down and just watched like I was like a senior in high school, like whatever like, and so it was like the, especially the first one particularly first one's great yeah, so the rest, like, probably won't lump the series together as much, as just like there was something about the, uh, the idea of the movie, that and I haven't even watched it again since I was 17 or whatever, but like I.

00:28:43.205 --> 00:28:53.068
I just remember watching it and being like to your point about, maybe, why you the parts of horror movies you like, but just being like, oh, this is, yes, this was, this was gross.

00:28:53.068 --> 00:28:59.025
People died, people who shouldn't have died maybe died, or, in Saul's case, they're supposed to die.

00:28:59.025 --> 00:29:00.384
Like they should be dead.

00:29:00.384 --> 00:29:06.884
He's giving them a second chance, maybe if they're, you know, criminal.

00:29:06.884 --> 00:29:23.346
So, like you're dealing with nuance, not just like straight good and bad, and you're dealing with, um, personal choice, personal decisions, like all these things were like I was old enough to comprehend what the story was telling me, and not just like, oh, these are scary things happening over and over again.

00:29:23.346 --> 00:29:24.407
Yeah, and so the like.

00:29:24.407 --> 00:29:32.749
I think that that one you know, the, that's probably the one that's maybe liked the most stuck with me the most.

00:29:32.749 --> 00:29:35.656
Then again, never watched it again after.

00:29:35.738 --> 00:29:38.608
It's conceptually one of the better like series ever made.

00:29:38.788 --> 00:29:46.251
It was just so poorly executed I mean, I think the first movie does it perfectly you know, the first movie is like everyone has the opportunity.

00:29:46.440 --> 00:30:00.233
No one has cheated out of the opportunity to survive, and the people who do survive are the ones who play by the rules to survive Right, and the people who die are the ones who can't like bring themselves to, like you know, overcome whatever that crux is, yep.

00:30:00.233 --> 00:30:04.324
Every movie after that, though, no one is allowed to live Like.

00:30:04.324 --> 00:30:08.548
If you watch the other ones, you're like oh, these are all designed so they so the people die.

00:30:08.548 --> 00:30:09.368
There's just no way out.

00:30:09.368 --> 00:30:10.390
And the Saw purists?

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I've talked to some of these people who are like you know, they're obsessed, they know every single detail, they know the set designers for each trap, and they're like no, no, no See, that went too far with the traps.

00:30:24.150 --> 00:30:26.422
And jigsaw punishes her in saw five.

00:30:26.442 --> 00:30:40.023
I'm like I ain't got the time, yeah like I'm watching this purely to see if they can escape or not, and and that too, being that I don't like demonic horror movies, I don't like them I don't want to mess with those, I'm not into them.

00:30:40.023 --> 00:30:44.047
And so the one like this one in this case was like, yes, dealing with evil, but we're not in that, like supernatural space.

00:30:44.047 --> 00:30:47.564
And so the one like this one in this case was like, yes, dealing with evil, but we're not, in that, like Supernatural space.

00:30:47.564 --> 00:30:50.982
And so I could, like I could, I could jive With it.

00:30:51.063 --> 00:30:53.039
I'm more unsettled and afraid of that.

00:30:53.039 --> 00:31:02.513
Like I know the name To say to make demons Fear and shudder, there's no.

00:31:03.242 --> 00:31:23.587
Yeah, no, no, I'm just saying like, there's just like there's nothing you can do about truly evil humans like and maybe I feel differently because I've seen, I've looked in the eyes of truly like chemically imbalanced, absolute, like evil people and I've come to grips of like, okay, I should be scared of this person.

00:31:23.587 --> 00:31:34.560
Like the only thing keeping me alive right now from this person is a steel door with locks and like a like very shatter resistant reinforced window.

00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:42.391
The other stuff, like anytime I felt like that presence of you know evil, like demons or whatnot.

00:31:42.391 --> 00:31:55.884
I have felt that I can take refuge in christ and my faith, and I've heard that also repeatedly, over and over and over again from so many other people who've encountered that stuff.

00:31:55.884 --> 00:31:59.498
Now, I think the opposite might be true for non-believers right.

00:31:59.498 --> 00:32:07.590
The concept of like demons being real and having no authority or control over them, being at their whim, right, which is what we always see in the plot of horror movies.

00:32:07.631 --> 00:32:16.383
Right, I think that's why paranormal activity exactly the most frightening series, the victims of paranormal activity are never believers who can just call them the name of jesus.

00:32:16.383 --> 00:32:25.190
They're always like people who have are pretty much like they have no hope from the get-go, because they have no toast, or like just accept death.

00:32:25.190 --> 00:32:31.983
At that point, yeah, a brutal this thing's been stalking you since you were seven and, yeah, it's over baby um.

00:32:31.983 --> 00:32:45.451
But like I, I'm genuinely I'm genuinely more disturbed by the concept of, like, a truly deranged individual making their whole life revolve around stalking me and my wife.

00:32:45.451 --> 00:32:48.321
I think that's more horrifying to me.

00:32:48.522 --> 00:32:56.654
I think that's why texas chainsaw massacre was so frightening to me, because I'm like span, literally cut people's faces off and wore them and he was real.

00:32:56.976 --> 00:32:58.079
And he was real like leather.

00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:59.001
Yeah, that did.

00:32:59.042 --> 00:33:07.088
That was the scariest part he was just one of those deranged people in texas, like living in the middle of nowhere, that just like preyed on people to happen to come past him.

00:33:07.288 --> 00:33:14.463
You know like yep, there was a my friend when she was growing up.

00:33:14.463 --> 00:33:20.210
Her friend had a like barney or barbie dvd.

00:33:20.210 --> 00:33:23.973
Like case was the barbie or barney dvd.

00:33:23.973 --> 00:33:24.934
Open it up.

00:33:24.934 --> 00:33:30.967
The dvd picture on it was whatever barney pop it in porn.

00:33:31.508 --> 00:33:35.801
Texas chainsaw massacre that's a weird, weird thing to burn onto the dvd.

00:33:35.801 --> 00:33:41.922
It was just some sort of like someone burned it, or it was a chinese copy, just or just who knows?

00:33:42.241 --> 00:33:47.670
yeah, but they, I think they got a lot of money in a settlement.

00:33:47.670 --> 00:33:50.114
No way you sit your kid down.

00:33:50.114 --> 00:33:51.455
Put in Barney.

00:33:51.455 --> 00:33:56.286
Put in Barney, leave him Come back in there in leather faces, wearing people's faces.

00:33:56.286 --> 00:34:04.528
For a four-year-old and yeah, they got a big settlement from it From that, you know.

00:34:05.840 --> 00:34:08.400
Honestly, that's probably like you're in a factory.

00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.007
That's like making these DVDs and some guy's like.

00:34:13.244 --> 00:34:14.489
I'm about to mess some stuff up.

00:34:14.509 --> 00:34:19.204
Exactly, I'm about to do some damage, that's why I think they had grounds for it.

00:34:19.224 --> 00:34:30.440
It's like somebody did this, you know, because you walk back in and as a parent that'd be horrifying, because I do put a lot of effort into not letting my kids see any of this stuff.

00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.487
And back to my what I said before like one needs to be in moderation.

00:34:33.487 --> 00:34:36.561
Two, you got to be of an age to handle it.

00:34:36.561 --> 00:35:03.820
Like yeah, imagining my like kids, like seeing or engaging in any of these things, like nope, and especially because, and like they are so multiple and like kids are also just more open to like the spiritual realm I think you know I like and I think, just in the same way that they're sponges for uh, they're sponges for everything, including that that evil stuff is just like.

00:35:04.342 --> 00:35:05.163
I gotta keep that away.

00:35:05.163 --> 00:35:22.664
Like I had a, I had a, uh dated a girl in high school who she like she watched so much law and order, svu, oh my gosh and so that shit will fuck you up and so many swear and so many horror movies like all the time.

00:35:23.467 --> 00:35:26.157
Guess what she constantly was dealing with?

00:35:26.157 --> 00:35:44.969
Extreme anxiety, really, and fear all the time and I'm like I wonder why yeah, maybe it's because all you do is watch movies about, or movies about scary stuff, and then a tv show about girls being raped, movies that tell you you're gonna die exactly and like it's just like it was like, exactly.

00:35:44.989 --> 00:35:47.686
You're going to die and we're not going to catch them until way after the film.

00:35:47.686 --> 00:35:49.867
This is not healthy for you.

00:35:50.902 --> 00:35:52.047
This is not good for you.

00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.047
And then, chances are, your family is going to die too, because somebody else is going to find them.

00:35:57.668 --> 00:35:58.148
Exactly.

00:35:58.148 --> 00:36:02.061
I think that all that stuff has just got to be, do you guys?

00:36:02.081 --> 00:36:04.949
make an exception for horror movies that end with the good guys winning.

00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:12.380
You all that stuff has just got to be.

00:36:12.380 --> 00:36:14.403
Do you guys make an exception for horror movies that end with the good guys winning?

00:36:14.403 --> 00:36:15.005
Uh, you know what it made me.

00:36:15.005 --> 00:36:17.967
Let's talk about saw made me think of this one movie called um, uh, like untraceable or something.

00:36:17.967 --> 00:36:28.869
Oh, and it was like very saw-esque where, like, a guy is like I think it's on Traceable, I could be wrong.

00:36:28.869 --> 00:36:36.106
But, this guy's killing people in very Saw-like ways and he's doing it on like live stream.

00:36:36.387 --> 00:36:36.548
Yes.

00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:37.753
And the FBI is trying to catch him.

00:36:37.753 --> 00:36:38.298
Yep, yeah.

00:36:38.298 --> 00:36:44.724
And then, man, one of the craziest ones was the main character.

00:36:44.724 --> 00:37:01.077
This FBI agent, her partner, gets captured and he's in a giant tank of water and they mix it with some sort of compound that basically turns into battery acid.

00:37:01.117 --> 00:37:03.643
Yeah, turns it from water to hydrochloric acid.

00:37:03.663 --> 00:37:28.561
Yep, and he's slowly sitting there and Right Turns it from like water to hydrochloric acid, yep and uh, these like slowly sitting there and like they just start pumping it in, and by the time they get to him, this guy's like yeah, head and then a skeleton, yeah, and I remember that that was just like I was like oh gosh but they killed the guy In like a not very eventful way.

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To be honest, it was not a great way.

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The movie was super far ahead of its time.

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Though, see, there's something about like just like I guess, like horror movies too where, like I do see in the end that like good prevails you know what I mean Like I do enjoy.

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There's a special exception for those for me, like, even if they're rather, you know, upsetting or disturbing partway, it's like knowing that, like, in the end there is justice, in the end there is something good that occurs.

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And that's what there is a difference.

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Yeah, in movies that like can engage in like extreme evil and horror, horrifying things, but like hard thing about like majority of horror movies where it's just like there is no hope, there is no like there is no like like the girl's going to leave the shotgun again Like oh my God.

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Or even like, and there's just like or that ends so like, and I get it, it's part of the genre.

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Just end the movie and leave you feeling empty.

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I do appreciate Stephen King, sort of like horrors, though what?

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Those are.

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