The Mick & Pat Show - Global Power Plays and Civil Unrest

Speaker 1: 0:48

Did you like the Shanguilas episode of SNL Pat?

Speaker 2: 0:54

I did not watch the episode in its entirety, but I watched the monologue and one or two of the skits he was in.

Speaker 1: 1:04

Yeah, I, I watched pretty much all the skits I could find from it to try to really judge it as fairly as I could. Bro, you haven't an energy drink right now. Energy I'm energizing Pat.

Speaker 2: 1:17

It's nine pm. I do it for the kids, I do it for the Indians. Geez bro, our listeners on the other side of the world. They're waking up right now. They are waking up right now and I'm waking up with them.

Speaker 1: 1:30

Our Asian audience. And yeah, now we we got our normal, usual weekly mckinpah shell content coming out now that we finished up our serialized true detective season for March. Yeah, gosh, dude, that just are forced to death march. I still just have a bad taste in my mouth from that show in the way it ended. But anyways, yeah, this last weekend Was it this last weekend? Yeah, it was Shanguilas hosted SNL, which is ironic because if you know Shanguilas, he's a comedian and he was originally, before he was known to anyone, going to be a kind of kind of no name SNL like a cast member, and this stuff came out that he got canceled, for which I've never even heard the joke. But he made a joke about Asian, asian people. But like everyone I think you can go and find the joke specifically, like I think it's on, like on the internet and articles, and apparently it wasn't that bad. Like I mean, apparently it wasn't bad at all, it was just a stand up comedy joke about Asian people and like I think that should be fair game. Like there's so many comedians who make jokes about everybody, right, and like it's okay because they're a comedian. But that guy got canceled. Anyways, it doesn't really matter, he's back, he's.

Speaker 2: 2:56

He blew up after he got fired from SNL, the best thing that ever happened to him. Yeah, like because he was able to do something, because he's huge now.

Speaker 1: 3:03

Oh yeah, he's bigger than life and you know, if you haven't heard, he's supposed to be the Messiah to Bud Light, because Bud Light has now partnered with him in a total 180, from being a partner with Dylan Mulvaney to try to bring people back, as you know, fans of Bud Light, which I just bring their frat crowd back. Yeah, I mean, doug, you're wrong. Shay Kills is funny, but I'm still not going to drink any Bud Light. You know, in like I stand where I stand, before all of the controversy.

Speaker 2: 3:34

We have not drinking any less Bud Light or any more Bud Light? Yeah, I'm based off of either of these people.

Speaker 1: 3:40

It was just what I just still think is so funny that like their marketing took such a bad tank because I was like that many people buying Bud Light still. And then like to see, like them trying to, you know, do a Hail Mary and get Shane Gills and the fret homie crowd which is ironic because Shane Gills wasn't in a fret, he dropped out of college, mm hmm, uh, he went to West Point, it dropped out and, like I was, just I just think it's funny. Like you know he's. He's. A lot of people think he's funny. I think he's like a big dummy, kind of fret Chad bro, mm hmm, he's, he's. I really don't think he is. He's more of just like, less of like a fret bro and more of like just a, a jock bro. Yeah, like it's way, like they're. They're a little different, they have some overlap Don't get me wrong in the Venn diagram and just like a goofy average dude like a little bit of that sprinkled in there, and I think that's why he does so well with your everyday people. And I think he's a genuinely nice guy, Like guys from the SNL. Opener, the monologue nothing cold open. I didn't see the cold opener, I didn't see whatever it was that said live from Saturday night I mean why, from New York and Saturday night live, right? Um, I just saw that. Uh, it was him going out on stage to excuse me, introduce himself stuff and, um, he talked about how he has that coffee shop that his family opened up, his sister opened up. That puts, you know, mentally retarded people with Down syndrome as the employees. Yeah, and he made some funny jokes about it, but all the jokes were very light and not like at the expense of people being mentally retarded. It was like very wholesome jokes you know, about like everyone leaves with apple juice and like a long line that you know long line because everyone wants to go there to support the cause. Also because they have people with Down syndrome who just really aren't that experience making coffee Right.

Speaker 2: 5:31

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:32

That's and that's all funny stuff, but anyways, I thought the gold open was funny as someone who watches Shane Gillis because it wasn't funny because he was dropping his best content. He was doing some. He said some stuff that I was familiar with already from his, like his, specials or some other standups but it was hilarious watching him laugh more than like laugh through it If you're like no, no, you know be this is the worst thing ever, because I think, yeah, as I think, like Gillis, fans watched it and enjoyed him, because we suffered through it with him.

Speaker 2: 6:09

Yeah, and I was wondering if they put canned laughter in over it. I don't think so, because there was a lot of, there was a lot of laughter in the monologue, but then it was like, but he kept saying, like you could tell, like the energy that was actually coming wasn't what was you were hearing on the audio Like I don't know, I think it was Hmm, I think it was legit.

Speaker 1: 6:29

Yeah, because he was, he was. There was one, so many people there from the media and all that. That. I feel like they would have said that Mm, hmm. But two, I just think the laughter we hear versus the laughter when you're there and it's a live studio audience of like I think. It's like I think it can fit like a thousand people in the seats, which is really big for a studio audience, right, right, and what you can see underneath the lights are the people not laughing. Right you can see the people just stiff still Like I hate you, you racist prick. Yeah Right, you know I hate you, you fat, tall white boy prick.

Speaker 2: 7:06

Like it's like they're not there. You can tell they hate some people. They didn't even know the comedy club like and they haven't had like two or three drinks Well SNL hasn't been a comedy club right and like over a decade I think.

Speaker 1: 7:19

Like I think it's been 10 years since SNL had legit borderline standup comedy sketches that were that funny, mm hmm.

Speaker 2: 7:28

So like now yeah, it's been, it's been. They've relied so heavily on, like political crutches and other things and like and some what crutches that they've just right alienated alienated a lot of like, old school audiences as well as like kind of become irrelevant. I think we're like I remember in middle school, early high school, like we would talk about SNL every Monday, that next Monday Tuesday like we're, like you know, especially Lonely Island or whatever, we'd be singing whatever song you know, whatever the latest you know, whatever it is, and it was it was relevant when Dick in a box came out.

Speaker 1: 8:07

That was unreal, Like the fact that, like I remember as like a like freshman in high school seeing that Adam Sandler and like the rest of the Lonely Island crew, and work with sorry. Yeah, and he's Samberg, adam Sandler, andy Sandberg same person. But uh, andy Sandberg and the Lonely Island crew worked with Justin Timberlake to do that and, like I had never seen Justin Timberlake do something satirical at that point, you know it's like when that came out I was like, oh my gosh, justin Timberlake is cool dude. Like the fact that he can do this and it's not like a like he's not like he's embracing it, it can be goofy, have fun and just go for it and lay it, lay it all out there. Dude, I won't. I won't sing the song because it's such an inappropriate song. But, um, mother's lover, I think that's the best Lonely Island song, like when it comes to, like just lyrical genius, and like the fact that they did it again, like it wasn't just one song, but it was like doesn't Timberlake did a couple songs with them? I thought was phenomenal. So, um, all I said, uh, the SNL go opener. I definitely think he was. he was, he had bad anxiety and I could tell he was definitely just trying to like be lighthearted about it because he knew people hated him and he like I heard there is stuff like backstage with like people who are like I hate you and I do not want to work with you. And then there was other like SNL, like comics and stuff for like no dude, let's do it, let's just do what we can and like have fun. Um, but I thought some of the skits were did you have any skits that you saw, that you enjoyed, that thought were pretty funny.

Speaker 2: 9:48

I watched it. I'm remembering, though, is the um, uh, the HR meeting, the HR meeting, mm. Hmm, I don't know if I saw that one. I wonder if that was an old one from when he was on the show he got. I thought he got canned before he was ever he never got on the show, he never okay. So this is the HR meeting ones, basically like they're just have. They're talking about um sexual harassment. What you can, he can't say in the workplace and he's just standing up and just trying to um kind of push the envelope.

Speaker 1: 10:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:21

Yeah, push it, push the push the line on you know what? What can we and can't we say? Yeah, it was like it was kind of standard SNL, like it's not going to be watched again, oh, like in the future. But I thought it was still like it was just okay, it was funny and he made it. He made it funny. The other one, the other people on screen really didn't.

Speaker 1: 10:41

I did wonder because he's done so many funny sketches for Gillian Keeves. Gillian Keeves on YouTube is some of the best comedy sketches I've seen. Those are great sketches. They were the things that won me over because, like, I watched a couple of them and I was like dude, too gross. I watched his pilot episode of tires. I was like dude, this guy's too gross, he's got, he's got just too much like potty humor. And then like, little by little, the Gillian Keeves won me over and I opened up to his sense of humor. And I realized it wasn't that he was just trying to be disgusting or, like you know overly sexual jokes or anything like that. I just realized I was like I don't know. He's just actually a little bit of like a simple lighthearted guy and most of his humor is moderately self deprecated, right, like he doesn't really he. He makes like kind of the I would say locker room jokes about like ha ha, wouldn't be funny if right. But then, like most of his actual great jokes are like when he's kind of let himself get roasted.

Speaker 2: 11:42

You know, what I mean and like so and I think he's developed as a comic too, like oh yeah, where he's actually like some of his best stuff is where it isn't the you know gross potty talk, whatever. Sure, you know it's like, and the stuff he says still is funny. But then he's developed his ability to just he doesn't have to do that to be funny. Yeah, he can do it, does do it, but then like and I think in the the shorts he was doing on YouTube, yeah, some of them are very, very vulgar, so funny though. But then also some of the other ones are like, they're not necessarily that vulgar, they're just good. I think he's a great actor, dude.

Speaker 1: 12:19

And I just wonder if, like, there's a little like difference because he gets to like he's more comfortable, gets to go to his pace and stuff and it's not live versus like SNL. He seemed like very uncomfortable, seemed like I couldn't tell if it was his skits or if they were doing other people's skits, and I definitely think the best skits were the pre-recorded, not live ones. Oh yeah, Like did you see the limu emu one? I didn't. Oh my gosh. Did you ever see the movie training day with Denzel Washington and Ethan Hawke? Yeah bro, they combined them. It was like limu, emu, and then limo, limu becomes sorry. Limu, emu is the emu name and they're you know they're making fun of the limu sketch on, like commercial right, for what is that? Liberty Mutual, liberty Mutual, yeah, and they're like they kick in this dude's door. Hey are you looking to say, buddy, I'm like you know what it cars is? The guy's like yeah, I am, and then get shot. And limu emu's got a revolver and like shot him and like Shay Gil's like without like missing a piece, like oh, my God, you shot that man. And like the limu even like costume puppet is like really well done it buffeted, and like it's like it doesn't look like just a sock, you know what I mean it was really well done and you can tell it was pre-recorded, you know. so better quality camera frame rate and all that. And it was just such a fun sketch. I want to spoil the rest of it, but essentially the email is Denzel Washington's character from training day. And like it was just good stuff, dude and all that said. That was definitely, I think, the funniest one. I thought the other one that was pretty funny, but I'm still like the execution just felt off. Was the Green Bay Packers, but plug one, oh no.

Speaker 2: 14:08

You haven't heard that.

Speaker 1: 14:09

Did you not see that? It was pretty funny. It wasn't too vulgar, it was just like him and his. It was about like what you say in Google finds and search and suggests to you as an ad? Yeah. And sitting at a bar eating chips and they're like, yeah, like Google keeps suggesting that I'm going to go like hotels in this area after hearing me talk about wanting to go visit that country, you know, whatever it like Shay Gilles' character, just, yeah, no, I don't think mine works. I think he's pretty broke. And it keeps on suggesting this Packers signature butt plug. Well, that as a speaker and plays the go pack, go song. And like I was, just like. It was like so specific. It was like okay, dude, what it was? Just like it was a pretty decent bit, right, but so, but it was just like you could tell he was reading off a teleprompter and it was a little like the people were kind of stumbling over their cues to speak. All of it just felt kind of rushed. And I know that there was one that straight up was like the family feud one or something and like as the camera cuts to like end the skit, it was like so not clear that it was over and as it cuts you can use it kills. Like that one sucked. It was like it's like something in the background and he says something like that. And I don't know, dude, he just he's just such a funny, lighthearted guy.

Speaker 2: 17:05

That's hilarious, because he doesn't take that stuff seriously and he just calls stuff how we seize it and that's hilarious. Yeah, that one sucked, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1: 17:14

Anyways, well, we've been, we've been trying, we've been playing on, talking about a lot of stuff this episode for a while and we're kind of just now getting to do a catch up dump on the news and what we've been watching, and I know I sent you a couple of videos just because I've been paying attention. But I found this, found this dude on YouTube. His he's got a cool name. I can't remember his real name, it's like very oldy, but his YouTube name is what if alt? His as in like alt history or alternate history, and on YouTube, for any of our listeners out there who aren't familiar with like this YouTube genres, there's like a small sub genre on YouTube of creators that make alternate history videos, which is like what if the Spartans won at Thermopylae? What if George Washington never stepped down for being president? Right, all that stuff. What have the South won? The Civil War? What if Nazi Germany never lost? Like it's all those alternate histories of like kind of like Doomsday a little bit Like what would have had out?

Speaker 2: 18:21

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:22

And they all try to do their best approach to like, really try to give like a pretty decent guess as what would occur for those things. But what if? Alt his started out as like an alternate history channel with what if? Scenarios, but then he just started becoming more and more educated and experienced as a historian in the specificity of like the rise and falls of governments and nations and how those are different, and he's now pretty much an entire channel that simply just focuses on actually predicting the future. Now right Not doing that. Yeah, he's trying to do projections of like you know what I think will happen, why? I think you know Russia will have a revolution in the next you know 20 years, right, china will collapse, whatever. And so he has all this stuff. But the thing that's different about him to me is that he goes through things in a very simple and supportive analysis structure. Yeah, that when I watch his videos and he provides his like links and references and the reasoning and logic for his conclusions One he always, you know, predicates it of like I'm more likely to be wrong. I mean, he always says I'm making a bet against God, because whatever man predicts, you know God is going to do whatever God does, and I think he's a believer too.

Speaker 2: 19:45

And he's not sensationalist either, like he's based in he won't enjoy it. If you want like a five minute video Right and like and some of the stuff he gets into is intense, but it's also like it's based on patterns in history and playing things forward and what is going on in other parts of the world and what's going on. It's going to be in the same way that, like we would never, you would if I proposed this to you and I said some dude who's like kind of influential in one side of the world is going to get assassinated and that's going to lead to the entire world, minor monarch, yeah, the entire world at war, with, you know, millions dead locked in warfare for years. Yeah, you'd be like, I don't know, like that sounds kind of sensational or, like you know, fantastical. Well, that's World War One, you know, that's how, how cookie crumbled. And so he pulls in these kind of other perspectives where you wouldn't, you wouldn't think about oh, how does a mind in Africa tie into you know something global or something that's going to happen over in what Vietnam? How are those connected or what are, like you know, and he, he'll pull that over to explain why, why he thinks it's going to happen. I think it helps us give us perspective on, maybe, something that we think is just a narrow viewpoint. And he, he's. He's looking at this from a big 30,000 foot view.

Speaker 1: 21:10

Yeah, yeah, and I think a lot of what he does to is like you might have a fear or just like an unsettled feeling of like, oh, the what's going on Ukraine and Russia and what I'm afraid of is going to happen, or what I want to happen or what I who knows what should happen or what will happen, or Israel, or you know, the US elections, right, and I think he speaks immediately to a lot of the the either fears or theories people have, and when he speaks to those, he comes at it with legitimate evidence and reasoning from history, unlike what he, you know, essentially postulates of what will occur. And I want to say this one this was like a big one that I think he did. That was great, because there's a lot of talk about World War Three and all that. And one thing that he did very successfully is that he predicted wars that would be coming in the 2020s, and he released the video like a couple of weeks, I believe, before Russia invaded Ukraine, and one of his predictions was like yeah, so Russia is going to invade Ukraine, they have to. And he like listed out some reasons. I can't, I don't recall, you know, because I've watched his videos since like, well, you know, a year after the invasion to Ukraine, um, so I'm not sure how much of it lines up with you know what actually happened the days afterwards. But and he kind of credits, he's like, yeah, so the odds of that happening like that quickly, you know, pretty low. I'm not a savant but it was Not also a hard prediction to make based off of historical evidence, right and like a big one. That I liked that he did was, like you know, the likelihood of like world war three and what we're looking at. And the issue is that I kind of saw a case that he made that we wouldn't have a really big world war that we might, because of how many countries are on the cusp of having a revolution within them, like russia's, at a very close like revolution tipping point. The european union is looking at very close revolutions, but most of anything like russia, china and korea, or like both the south and north, or at points where they're very likely to have internal conflicts more than external on a global scale. And, uh, I thought one of the great videos he did, you know, was just why china, china as it is now the government, won't be around soon, you know it's. It's either going to have a revolution and collapse or it's going to, um, have like a very transitory, quick, maybe abrupt transition to a new government. But the issue is that china and I'm not gonna go on this, won't be like a five minute thing, this is just to get you an interest in videos. China, we all remember, especially when you and I were growing up and as kids, middle school, high school, um, I remember specifically, like early high school, the public's public state. Help me out. Public publicization. No, that's that the publicity, yeah that uh, china is like um one son to a set of parents. Uh, you know, doctrine went where, like they were aborting girls. They were, you know. If they found a woman was pregnant with a female baby, like they would abort it or they would be forced to give it up for adoption, you know whatever, but they were allowed to keep a single son. Excuse me, and all of us kind of at the time, like made jokes, are like well, that's not gonna be great because all these dudes are gonna be mad. There's no tricks around when they grow up at all. Yeah, ironically, though, historically we saw where it was going. Like historically, when we look at the world and when revolutions occur. Revolutions occur when you have a very high population, disproportionately, of Abel bodied and by able bodied I just mean literally able of and like enacting violence, like capable of violence, men that don't have a reason to Remain tempered in society. And one of the biggest reasons to remain tempered as society is Of course yeah, be a family man. Main look after my spouse, my significant other. You know a woman that I love, right, um? And so he kind of theorizes like because of that and because of this giant, disproportionate amount of young, able bodied men for war, and because they have nowhere to like, put this, this frustration and like anger with the society that literally, like China, is one of the most aggressively anti Purposely this nation's like they have specific words and terms that they call, uh, chinese young men who play video games and don't want to get a job and they like it's a very strong shame culture there for them, whereas don't get me wrong like here in America, like still kind of look down on, I think. But it's also kind of Like I think that some people have stopped looking down on it because they've been like wow, holy shit, like I've made fun of my kid for or not my kid, but my nephew or whatever for saying like you're not going to be able to pay the bills playing video games all day. They literally do pay the bills, video games all day, and they have, they've paid some of my bills. So I guess, like you know, like you know some people, I think that just change. But China, you know it's still very negative and all that said, like when you have that large base of of young men Like that and there's a bad economy and they don't feel like they have the upward mobility, revolutions explode like, like you know, tender right, tender better to do yeah, that's this revolt, and so there's a lot of reasons why they kind of get into, why he gets into it. But I just think, like that video in particular was a very well done, broken down example, um and you know he's got a couple other videos, I'm just like he has why America will have its french revolution, hmm, and he's kind of predicting that there'll be a french lit revolution in America of you know, the lower class, literally. You know, break it like guillotine upper class violence against the elites. Yeah, and and like unblanketed violence against elites, and he says I'm probably wrong. But when you watch the video, when you watch the video you're like, oh damn, that's a pretty good case. Um, and then his other one is why the 2024 election will start a civil war, oh wow, in the us, which also, again, these titles are supposed to make you click on him and listen to a 45 minute breakdown Mm-hmm. So he always states I'm betting against god I'm probably wrong. I don't necessarily Truly believe this will happen. Sometimes he says he does believe will happen, but most of the time he's like I just think he uses here's the strong reasoning or logic that you could use to make a case why this might happen it the election will start a civil keyboard war. Oh yeah, oh my goodness, yeah, no get your get your warriors ready.

Speaker 2: 28:04

Yeah your fingers that carpal tunnels come and when you stay up all night on the couch. Just letting some other person's opinion just completely devolve and derail you and Just that's all you can think about until you can just get the right response back.

Speaker 1: 28:18

Yeah, yeah, I don't know, pat, what do you think about like kind of the whole world war three versus civil war? Mm-hmm you know conversation.

Speaker 2: 28:28

Yeah, I think, uh, I think a lot about it. I see it on kind of really the two sides that I see is One, I see it as not likely to happen. But these things have all happened before in history, many times over. And so one thing that I think a lot of us, especially A pretty like western viewpoint, is very short term. We're it's very like we have a very short view of history and very like individualist society. We don't focus on the, the whole nation or tribe, and so therefore we also Lose our understanding of history and what it is. And so I think that we just live in this place where we, and especially Growing up in western world, it's been very comfortable, it's been very, um, easy, no matter, right, kind of rich or poor, we're all surviving, we're all doing like fairly well comparatively to other times in history, other places in the world. And so we just I think and it's in a lot of people's minds and like even people I talked to who just they'd never thought to themselves it even could be a possibility, they don't. They don't think that like a civil war could happen in America. They don't think that world war three could happen. Um, then, I'm like, well, one of those has happened twice. Yeah, at least in recent history there's been two world wars and in recent history there's been a civil war. Like civil war was not that long ago that this nation had to deal with that, and so I do think that, um, while it's unlikely, like I said earlier, who would have thought that Franz Ferdinand getting popped would have led to such a big thing? So there is Um, we live, and we'd like to think that we have established civilization, that we've established society In a way that it cannot unravel. But I think what we've seen in little blips and flare-ups, even in the last four or five years, is it doesn't take a lot to unravel the whole thing.

Speaker 1: 30:23

I think I know I think that's all very Based in like reasoning too, and I think the In, particularly just on the world war three subject, like as we look at, is like I think we look, we pay a lot of attention to the european theater, right, because we're not really Like outside of like china at make ticking action against like taiwan or something like that. We're not really concerned about anyone south of the european theater that much starting world war. We're not really concerned about people to the West or south of china starting world war. It's pretty much just that northern china, russia and Like north korea, kind of there was a concern. It wasn't even like world war, it was just like if north korea Bombs hawaii, right, we're gonna go whoop ass, yeah, and china, we'll have to decide if they want to get in on that or not, right, and it was always like that thing of like I don't think china's none of us were like china's. Good, no, dude, diddly about it, right, they're gonna be like, hey, dude, you built, you made your own bed with this one, um, but like I do think like one some of the ones I hear that are pretty Interesting. You know this tim pool video that we talked about that. He put up with, like you know, sweden and uk preparing their militaries. You know they're spending more right, which is weird, you know they. They have such a usually small budget and often, like a lot of the eeu is under the requirement that nato has of military spending like nato. A lot of people don't know is nato. If you're part of nato, nato says you must spend x amount percentage of your gdp, which I think is 3%. 3% of your country's gdp needs to be spent on your military and so many militaries Are underpaid by that metric. Right and um, I was just listening to someone who was being interviewed talking about Uh selective service in some of the nordic countries, um, and some of the other countries in europe, and how, like some of them got paid 60 dollars a month and it was like literally just sweeping and cleaning and they were in like it's like, it's just a, it's a sham, like you don't, unless you're like at the top tier, like special forces units Getting paid insane amounts of money by small government.

Speaker 2: 32:42

You're not training, you're not drilling, you're not active. Well, they don't react.

Speaker 1: 32:46

Yeah, none of that. None of those uh Nations for the last couple years have had any Uh interested in investing in the military.

Speaker 2: 32:54

Because sometimes it's just a six month, like mandatory enlistment, conscription right, and because maybe, and then people leave immediately and because Is there a little bit of something of thinking there might be somebody else out there who could take care of all this, for us meaning, oh, like the government, like oh no, the united states being a police, like you know, like like and like as far as for as much critique as you could have of being the world police, and I think that trump kind of got into this when he was like he was bringing, bringing the hammer down on some of these countries, like you're not paying, you're not getting the benefit, like if you're not paying, we're not saving you, and um, and he was really coming in hard with that and and to his point being like, yeah, if you don't want us to be the world police, we got it. You got to be a part of the, of the solution in some, some form, right, or some fashion or be ready for it and things like that. And there's obviously a lot of, you know, conversation critique that you go into like that statement world police, but the um, if you're a part of the group, if you're part of this allied group, you got to pull your you got to wait in it, right, any up and kick in, as morgan freeman says in that great movie known as glory. Um, I love glory. We should do a glory. I love glory.

Speaker 1: 34:08

He's a good movie um, but uh, you know, I think, I think that aspect is like we put a lot of attention on the European theater. But the one thing that I think is most likely to really kick off world war three is a pakistan or india Nuke on nuke. Yeah right, like they have. Very like I think pakistan and india both now have very small scales, small yield nukes. If I don't like each other they hate each other and they're the most likely to probably nuke each other right now, more than anyone else, um, and I think if that occurred, there would be a domino effect of some other people getting wrapped in yes, some other people, nations that or the china invasion of taiwan. That one is crazy. Taiwan, I know, is really like I don't. If you guys want to see real life, like People preparing to defend their nation with their lives, you should look at like the groups training in taiwan, like the civilian groups, like they're sponsored by the military. The military is having them come every single weekend to practice and train. Like the idea is like all right, china's gonna invade taiwan. Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to lose our Nvidia microchip factory. She's got too much money in the stocks, right. So it's like if china invades, taiwan needs to hold off until america gets there. Um, and so there is a lot of like speculation of that one those are the only two I could see blowing up to be like a global war thing. Right, because so many of the other countries are so vulnerable with, uh, the dissatisfaction internally that I know in america a lot of people don't think Realistically we'll see a civil war. But I don't think people in america understand what factors lead to civil war. And when you look at the factors and the trend lines of like how these factors grow and decrease over time, uh, we are like at Defcon five for a civil conflict of some kind in the country.

Speaker 2: 36:13

It's crazy. And if it's not a force on force, mass lines, bloodshed typing. Oh yeah, you know it's. It's, it's all primed for it very least the unraveling of a nation. Yeah, unraveling, because we cannot be unified well, and that's what it is.

Speaker 1: 36:29

It's like these trend lines don't always mean a civil war, but they do almost always correlate with the dissolution of a government, and a big one was when the, the Republic of Rome, became a Roman Empire and it stopped to being a Republic with senators and governors and it became pretty fascist. And Hear me out here that I'm not saying Trump is a fascist or him getting elected as fascism. What I am saying is that we are at a point now where we're not even really like we like Democratic Republic, capitalist society. Now we're getting close to the point of like so much money and Authorities in the government's hands that it doesn't matter who gets elected if we don't like them. The government can turn empirical pretty quickly and decide like nope, we're where, the end all be all, it doesn't matter and like a lot of people think Canada is actually already there, like a lot of people are pretty much saying like yeah, canada never said it was a Republic, right. But when you look at kind of similarities between what would a modern-day empirical government look like? hmm, Canada seems to have pretty much kind of moved over that way, especially with like the Nepotism of like Trudeau's Trudeau's dad, now Trudeau and like who he's kind of cronyed up with in government.

Speaker 2: 37:54

Because you take the. There's one like just the giving of power over to the government more and more, and that's a pretty broad term actually good. But then you also take the actual like Financial and power capability of the individuals, not even not their post, not like I'm the governor of the state, but it's like no, I am like worth like a couple billion dollars. I can raise it. I could raise an army of. It may be not soldiers, but of you know, police, police, or, and, or like National Guard, or like taking it into, like the data front, or like the, the computer. So like, like, like they could be, like I can shut down the grid. Yeah, I can, I could, I can be in control of the narrative, I can be in control, and so, like the, the power that it not the, just the, the post they have Holds one. We keep giving more and more power to the actual title. Mm-hmm but then we also, these people as individuals, have extreme power.

Speaker 1: 38:52

Oh yeah, even whether they're in that position or not the whole point of like, the whole point of a republic, is that they do should not have so much power and authority, right? And One thing that I thought was crazy Mr Beast, right, mm-hmm. Mr Beast threw up a tweet Criticizing without name in Nancy Pelosi, but was criticizing essentially like politicians should not be able to do investment trading. You know, he was essentially calling for like terms on elected, on elected positions, right, including Congress and the Senate and the house, right, but it was. It was also like and while you're there, you're not allowed to trade. Yeah, when you, just when you retire, you can trade in a vest as much as you want, but like it is, you have no right to Be able to have that insider information. Break the law with insider trading and, you know, manipulate the markets like that, mm-hmm. Also, it's just not good. If we want to keep our politicians like, if we want to protect their integrity, we should remove as much temptation as possible.

Speaker 2: 39:57

Yeah, which is?

Speaker 1: 39:58

like the temptation is just there, yeah, and it's kind of weird because it's like it already is illegal to do inside trading. It's already like one of the most prosecuted offenses by the IRS when it comes to like Low-level. Not low-level, but like mid-tier employees at a company right, they hear about the sale coming up.

Speaker 2: 40:15

They they buy or they sell it over.

Speaker 1: 40:17

Oh, they hear about the merger and buy right away, right yeah, but like it's almost never prosecuted for people in like political office, right Mm-hmm. And so Mr Bees makes that post on Twitter and it was deleted almost immediately because Nancy Pelosi's nephew runs the like group of people that like the company that manages Mr Bees and his socials and like Stuff like that, and so they pretty much I think everyone thinks they just told Mr Bees delete that shit, like because it was very. Yeah, it was very obvious. He's alluding to Nancy Pelosi, like it was. He didn't say anything about her or name begins with a pee. But the way he just wrote it out was like oh, that's, he's talking about Nancy Pelosi and we all know it. Wow. And it was deleted so fast that it was like and only had like 2000 views. But some people, a lot of people you got screenshots, yeah. So all I said, I thought that was pretty crazy and that's like that right there, and the fact that, like you know, and in X, I think, is getting better. Mm-hmm under Elon Musk he's getting way more Like let people post whatever they want, mm-hmm. But it's really he can't do anything about a corporation telling them to delete their post, right, yeah from the outside. Yeah, put putting pressure on yeah, but like I do think the social media companies like Google. There's a like a lot of talks about right now breaking up Google because of the monopoly on information, mm-hmm in the threat that holds to, like just again, if you have a company that has that much power and authority over information, it's very tempting for them to just decide what you look at, and it can easily manipulate Elections, whether local or not like, you know, federal right, like looking back at the, when we had the robber barons and we had, you know, the, the railroad Barons, we had steel Barons, we all these people who were the.

Speaker 2: 42:16

They had the monopoly on the trade and the biggest value of trade at the time, the biggest value of trade going on right now that snuck up on us in the last, you know, 10, 15 years is all Running through the internet, oh yeah, you know it's all you know that. And so I mean, yeah, we have these. Essentially, the tech companies are robber barons of the of the control. And then this but no one.

Speaker 1: 42:43

No one uses being, no one uses being. No one is using another like search browser. I mean I use ask jeeps.

Speaker 2: 42:50

Yeah, do you know? I don't think it's around anymore.

Speaker 1: 42:52

I don't ask I think I think if you type in s to use that come, it just goes right to yahoo. But and I think there's reason to it, you know, I think I think there is logic in considering like, okay, we broke up AT&T, we broke up you know other media companies before in the past because they got so big. Make sense that we would do the same for a, you know, web browsing, essentially just a Internet as a service tool, like company right, internet as a service, software as a service, which is why, like alphabet, I think, is a Was originally supposed to be brokered, broken away completely from Google, Hmm, but it never went through all the way, which is why, like technically, google's ticker symbol on the stock exchange is alf you know for alphabet. Anyways, all that said you mentioned, like the aid, bailouts, proxy wars and like dude, some of these things I saw. So this is an article that I read from the Council on foreign relations and it's just got illustrations here that are there insane. And, of course, you know, if you watch on YouTube, you know maybe we'll have these Graphics on the video, but if you're not, you can, you know, look up yourself to see these illustrations, because they are honestly amazing. When you see, since 2022, how much money we've sent to you, ukraine, and that alone plus compared to what we usually send as aid in a year to any other nation, but it was seventy four point three billion dollars To Ukraine in the last year. Two percent of that was humanitarian. Thirty five percent of that is just falls under the category of financial, which is sus, and then the rest of that is military, you know, which is 62 percent, 46 billion. To put it in perspective, the amount of money we've given Israel from 2020 since 2022, is three point three billion dollars. So we've given to Ukraine which don't get me wrong, I get it, there's a war front there, right but we've given them. Essentially, what is that? Gosh? I don't know how many years of funding that we've given to Israel, more than 20, about 25 years, yeah, of what we've given to Israel. For, you know, aid we've given to Ukraine in one Mm-hmm. And now there's this proposed bill that has gone through yet, but it's this proposed bill of another 96 billion going to, and they they kind of, I think are trying to win people over by being like it'll go to Israel and Ukraine, mm-hmm. I'm like it shouldn't go to anyone. I should go to, like the problems we have at home. Mm-hmm. We've thrown so much money over there in a year. It's mind-boggling.

Speaker 2: 45:48

We should say the three point three billion to Israel too. Is that's what's standard, what we give them every year? Yeah, that's not including what we have given them since their new war. Oh right. So, so, like that we have sent them more for their war since, but the in general we send you know that much over them. But just that being said, that is a ton of aid. Oh, yeah, a ton of aid. Like I Don't even know you could start your own country. Yeah, like if I had that kind of money I would just go start my own country. I'd be a benevolent. We've even have this one. We're just being a benevolent dictator somewhere, yeah, some island, but a zoo with all your own animals. But anyways, the, the money is insane and the. I love the, the amount of. There's a list here to have all the weaponry.

Speaker 1: 46:35

Mm-hmm, it is a lot of it's crazy when you read this list of weaponry of just like 10,000 Jadlin anti-armor systems, mm-hmm. 6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets, 20,000 Hydra 70 aircraft rockets, 20 mi-17 helicopters, 60,000 122 millimeter Grad rockets, not as many drones Mm-hmm. Well, it's hard to tell because they say skin eagle drones, puma drones, jump 20 drones, but there's no numbers numbers. Yeah, all right. So I assume it's a shitload of drones, 186 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, which are, you know, tanks, 31 Abrams tank, specifically 2000 Humvees To harpoon coastal defense systems. I'm sure that's just like a cool one bill, each Harpoon coastal defense system harpoons the name of the system. But I'm just like there's no way, that's cheap, it's just mind-boggling. But anyways, yeah. So if you all are interested in seeing that and just getting an idea Perspectively of how much is going over there, what is it, like you know, in value and material-wise going over there? It's the Council on foreign relations Dot org and an article of how much aid has been sent to you, ukraine, and it does several visualizations, but I just thought that was crazy dude. And it really puts into perspective of like that is, I mean that that it's in. It's a mind-boggling how much that is and how much the other things that are being proposed, like you know, building, like securing the border, like this securing the border effort has been essentially budgeted out to like being about 20 billion dollars and it's just like okay, so we could do that a couple times over with the amount of effort, like imagine, like all those tanks, humvees, you know, just like everything that we sent them in military aid was just like post at the board border, be secure, you don't even need a wall. Just like you could build a wall out of the 2000 Humvees that we said to Ukraine you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 48:45

Yep, yep. And this number we've given to Ukraine before the new proposed money that may or may not go through is 10% of our military budget. Yeah, the budget 10%. Yeah, that's a, that's a chunk. Someone took a cut this year. You know, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1: 49:01

Someone is feeling like their department didn't get the money. Anyways, it just boggles my mind. I I've, you know, said it for a long time is that, like I do believe we, you know America has a responsibility to to act when no one else can, right? But also I don't think America is to be the police, right? the global police and like I think, a I think a decent one that, like I think about is like Saddam Hussein Genociding people Back in the day and he was something that he was someone that we appointed in Desert Storm. Yeah, and Saddam Hussein that most people don't know, the Saddam Hussein had he was once given the keys to the city of Detroit, like we made him. And the fact that like, yeah, I think we have to go over there and take care of that, like If we made him and put him there, then we got a, we got to stop what he was doing, right, because, yeah, I mean, when you hear like Sean Ryan show, especially Sean Ryan, you know he was a former seal and CIA operative and CIA contract, I believe, is what he says, not operative, but he talks about what Saddam was doing to people there, yeah, and like you're like oh, yeah, okay, that guy had to go, especially like it's one thing of like damn that dude, who's the dictator, that country's a bad guy, but he got there fair and square and people voted for him and that's what his country wants.

Speaker 2: 50:31

It's another thing if we you know, before an entity, yeah, yeah, and I had a. I had a buddy who was there in the beginning and they took one of his Pat son's palaces, one of his palaces, and they drained the pond. Uh-huh, it was full of young girls. Oh my god, dude, yeah, that's f'd up. Yeah, like the him and his sons were. His sons were maybe worse than him, but I don't know, bro, when I heard about how he put pregnant women on On hooks during Christmas. That blew my mind. It's insane. I mean, that's evil. We're not talking like. We're not talking like oil interest now Is there some oil interest in there? Sure, sure there was. But also like we're talking about evil too, like we're talking like, especially with you know, I'd say like that was, I was an evil, yeah, evil, gassing people, whatever that had to be. I think did need to be addressed and again.

Speaker 1: 51:25

I mean, even if Again, we did it like America put him there right. The stuff, like you know, vietnam, afghanistan much more skeptical on if we should have been there. You know, I in like From a growing up during like the war on terrorism, right, and not just really knowing why we're there and what we're doing, and now seeing several different generations of veterans who fought in that over in the Middle East and like that conflict, I really don't know. Like I mean, I'll be honest from, I just defer to their opinion we had no business being there, like there wasn't an evil to eradicate when we were in Afghanistan, like don't, yeah, isis was bad, taliban was bad. They're pretty much Reactionary when you look at it to our involvement. Yeah, yeah, like our invasion is kind of reactionary to Instigating that. So it's very hard for me to see like a good case of like absolute evil that couldn't have been addressed internally by that nation that we were somehow responsible to go take care of Right, because the Al Qaeda Mujahideen ending up being ISIS, all those things.

Speaker 2: 52:37

While we did come in after them. The flare-up of them in Afghanistan and Iraq came long at like, came always after the invasion. It went ramped up again in the later years and so and.

Speaker 1: 52:50

I'll say this I'm way. I'm incredibly open to hearing someone else, like, speak on that. It's also the same way I feel about, like, when I hear Vietnam vets talk about Vietnam. I've never met a Vietnam vet who thought like there was a justified reason to go to Vietnam, like Vietnam didn't pose a threat to us and our way of life.

Speaker 2: 53:09

Right, it was certainly a proxy war, to kind of claim territory and as one thing that's, I don't know why in school we aren't taught we've got World War One, World War Two. We should have China One and China Two. That is what Korea and Vietnam were.

Speaker 1: 53:24

Yeah, I mean, Korea was even like I don't think we actually had like hand-to-hand shooting people conflict in Vietnam against Chinese and we did, oh, we did, we did.

Speaker 2: 53:35

There were some I was gonna say I know, like in Korea. Korea is a lot more like I killed Chinese army people today. Yeah, yeah. And so we did have Chai comms in Vietnam too, but less less prevalent but more proxy stuff. But I just it's funny in school, you're not. I think it's like some perspective should be lent to like.

Speaker 1: 54:02

I just don't think that many adults that taught us knew Dick all about the Korean War. You know, what I mean. Like I've learned way more about the Korean War in the Vietnam War after high school, right, just because I was interested in like. I remember when someone what was that big Korean battle? That was the crazy one of like the Marines were surrounded on like all sides, pretty much pushed up on top of the mountain and it was like 450,000 Chinese.

Speaker 2: 54:27

There's a lot. I can't remember the name of it, but it is.

Speaker 1: 54:32

I'll look at it.

Speaker 2: 54:32

And the, because the fighting was brutal and the fighting was and it is, it's called the forgotten war and it has been in a lot of ways to beat your Korea. But it is just another example of where, like how and why did we end up there? It kind of felt like we battle chosen yeah, battle the chosen yeah, and so the you know it felt both those wars and Afghanistan the way it ended up, they all do feel looking back on a very world policey and imperialistic and not in our best interest. And now I will say at the same time, like I'm also like, not a pacifist. Yeah. Like I seek peace, but I also like I'm like I'm okay with like the sort of destruction bringing peace also, and so I'm not coming at it from a full view of like I'm wars always wrong and these sorts of things, and I'm like there's a time and place for these things and there's and there's time and places for Americans to stand up and whoop some heiny around the globe, because now we are a really a globalist. You know species, you know society and in the way that things are so interconnected, and so there will be times when we have to stand up and do things. But for sure. Unfortunately it's so frequently around.

Speaker 3: 55:51

You know money and really, and war is in a lot of cases about money and interest.

Speaker 2: 55:55

But you know it's a.

Speaker 1: 55:58

I really like I'm trying to think of, like here's the thing right? Like, of course I don't have the answer to this, I'm not. I'm not going to sit here and say I know when America should go to war and shouldn't. Right, I do know. After, like growing up in the generation we did. I'm so anti war. That isn't like a war against a power that is trying to eradicate or conquer us.

Speaker 2: 56:24

You know what I mean True defense of your people.

Speaker 1: 56:26

Yeah, like a true defense of our people, like, even when it comes to like I'll be honest, like I know this is going to be a hot take for a lot of, you know, christians out there too, but I don't know, I feel like I've heard quite a few Christians talk about like I don't think we should be supporting the war in Ukraine against Russia or the war in Israel against like Hamas and stuff militarily. I think like we should be offering like humanitarian effort and stuff like that, but I truly do believe like those nations have the means to wage war on their own. And now, yes, if, like, we see Iran and Russia, you know, proxy sending troops or like you know, militants through their money and financial efforts against Israel and like a unified war front, then I'm like all right, like I mean Israel's our ally, and then maybe we put boots on the ground. But like the whole like idea of like oh, we need to send them this. You know so much money that is just vanishing with no accountability and we have no idea who's at hands ending up and we have no idea where a lot of like military resources are ending up and in whose hands are actually getting those versus what is being just smuggled out. A lot a lot starting to come out of Ukraine now and I don't know how much. Again, I'm not, so I'm not super familiar with like the ease that Israel could flip weapons right. And. I don't think we've sent nearly as much to Israel. But, all that said, I'm just very cautious on like the, the pretense of like us proxy warring through those nations, especially when those nations, I do believe, have the means to do war and decide war themselves. And a big thing was like I don't think we have the right to tell Russia they they can't take action that they think is a defense of their borders. You know the whole can. The whole concern was essentially Russia said like we want this territory as a buffer. Ukraine joins NATO, we're going to take this territory and a lot of people didn't think Russia would do it. Russia's done it. Russia has held the territory pretty much that they wanted as a buffer zone for going on nine months now. The war should be done. There should be peace talks. We they're like Ukraine is not getting that land back outside of other militaries right, putting boots on the ground and going in. So what's the point of the money? Russia has said they have no interest in expanding further, and so Israel is like another one of. Like you know, Hamas is a terror organization, a terror group, and I don't know if they have a legitimate ability to overthrow Israel as much as, like a lot of people are claiming, we need to go and like proxy war through Israel because Iran is going to. Proxy war through Hamas has below. Yeah, and. I and I have my fears of that right, but I definitely think, like as someone who cares about like us in our home in America, I'm a much more larger advocate of like the humanitarian, non military aid to allow those nations until, like, our hand is forced, which is in my eyes another nation teams up with the other guys and puts boots on the ground Right and that, and that may be an outdated view. And that could be an incorrect view and I'm open to being wrong on that. That's just where, like I've always, like that's where I've landed now is like, hey, if we want to put our money where our mouth is, let's send an insane amount of like relief aid and medical humanitarian supplies, you know, fund of Red Cross, whatever right and like to get there and support this because Ukraine has been leveled.

Speaker 2: 1:00:18

Yeah, like those, some of those big cities are. I mean, they're 10, 20, 30, 50 years out of recovery. Oh yeah, on the like, oh yeah, it's you, it's Ukraine. A stand, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:00:30

And us being there were proxy in Russia, just like we did in the Middle East, and like I'm not saying Ukrainians are going to be the source of the next Taliban, but we're in like a very dangerous territory of like setting that up, for we gave them a lot of pretty wild weapons. Yeah, you know. I mean who's to say that the people that we gave those two are going to still have them in 10, 20 years from?

Speaker 2: 1:00:54

now, yeah, yeah, and the the detriment, the long term detriment that that country and society is, is going to take a long time to recover, and there's going to be a lot of people who don't forget parts of it too, and so yeah, I think, I think I mean I think we're seeing the Ukraine war.

Speaker 1: 1:01:10

I think is definitely like a generational trauma war. Like I think that is something that for a lot of people in Eastern Europe will be the thing that makes them despise Russians for the next 50 years. You know what I mean and like rightly so. Like there's a lot of stuff that was awful that occurred and a lot of things that, like you know, I don't condone that. I know Russian troops and all that did Absolutely evil atrocities, but we but like, if you want to make that argument, then why aren't we going to stop like the awful atrocities that China does to the Uyghurs and literally rounding them up and trying to sterilize a whole people in concentration camps?

Speaker 2: 1:01:59

Yeah, and for some perspective, on talking about, like, the generational trauma. It's like not to take away from any lives lost. Iraq, afghanistan, america lost 7000. Damn compare, and that's not. That's not talking about all the injuries, both mental, physical, spiritual, that came back with all those, all those dudes, right? Yeah. But just talking straight numbers 7000 over the course of 7000 54 over two decades. Yeah, in Ukraine they and they are in. That's not. This did not take into account the amount of people we killed over there. Yeah, but, but that's purely. American right. So but for for Russia, Ukraine, they're like in the 300,000s estimated on some of that.

Speaker 1: 1:02:48

So like that's, that's a different number, yeah, that's a different number of what's going on and that's pretty one sided to like don't not necessarily just one side in that, like Russia hasn't lost a substantial amount of military forces, but Ukraine has not pushed into Russia and destroyed like very heavily populated Russian cities, right. And so it's one of those things of like a lot of Russians I think won't be aware of, like the toll of this war and its relations to other like to, you know, other nations in Europe and how that's going to look for decades, you know because Russia is approaching 300,000 and Ukraine's lost.

Speaker 2: 1:03:33

This is saying 31,000. There's no way, that's right. I mean there's no way. I need to do some more digging, but I do know that this one's saying, this one's saying 31,000 lost, that's the actual and very true of Ukrainian soldiers. But I mean because soldiers, what about civilian? Yes, there's no civilian casualties in that, but I do know like. So, while they haven't wrecked their cities, ukrainians I mean Russia has slaughtered their own men like to the tune of a generation. And so on both sides, even like even just taking Ukrainian troops, 31,000, comparatively to 7000, and then adding in Russian people, 300,000, you know like it's. And these numbers, you know we're pulling articles here but they may not be exact, but the it's just a lot of people.

Speaker 1: 1:04:23

There's a lot. That is a lot in under a year, right, I just still have.

Speaker 2: 1:04:28

We just say two years.

Speaker 1: 1:04:29

I'm flabbergasted by 300,000. The prediction of 300,000 Russian troops, mm, hmm, because.

Speaker 2: 1:04:37

I don't know if Russian. The initial invasion they were told they were running a. They were, they said. They told their guys all right, get ready, we're going to go do some war games, we're going to do some training missions. They got on the on their planes, heading in, jumping in, tanking in is when they were told. Like they were on the plane when they were told we're going to war and we're invading yeah like kind of a really clear unified effort. Yeah, and just being so unprepared. Yeah and so and this goes back to a little bit of talking about drafting people into, you know the the drafts that could be incoming. You know that's not a lot of faith in your men's fortitude or in your just cause If, if you have to trick them, that bad, into coming in.

Speaker 1: 1:05:23

I stand corrected, man, I thought that would be way more skewed towards civilian casualties. But they are saying three, 15 to 360 and Russian casualties, which Casualties means killed, injured, right, but so a lot of people didn't have a specific killed number. When I was looking at stuff it was just like that number includes injuries as well. But that's insane, bro, that is tossing the meat grinder. And, to circle it back, that's actually what China did. At one point China, literally, like the Chinese government, confessed that this is from a what off, sorry, what if? All his video but he goes into details about the China government confessed and, like you know, essential, like it was leaked documentation that, like one of the wars they waged back in like the 80s or 90s, was literally to kill off a generation of young men. So they couldn't, they couldn't have a revolution. Wow, and a lot of people in like his prediction was that Russia was doing kind of the same thing with Ukraine. It was like, hey, I got a lot of young men disgruntled, angry maybe don't like the current Russian, you know government and economy by throwing them into a meat grinder, we might win some territory and we win a little bit of land, and then I don't have to worry about these guys picking up pitchforks to you know, pull me out of Moscow. That is nefarious, dude. It's what they do, though it's like what a lot of these governments do, to like how we got too many at home.

Speaker 2: 1:06:56

Communism is cool. Yeah, I like that, I like that system.

Speaker 1: 1:07:01

Gosh dude. But anyways, I guess just you know that kind of I thought circled back. Well, but last thing I kind of had that I thought was just interesting. You know we were talking about kind of inflation and how things have changed and I found this consumer price inflation chart. It's from Then visual capitalist and they have this really sick chart. I saw one similar to this was like 1980s to 2012. Mm, hmm. This. They I think they just did the same style, but from 2020, and it shows the price changes of consumer goods and services and I don't think a lot of people are aware of how drastically prices have changed for a lot of things. Like, the number one consumer good here that's changed over the last 20 years is televisions. Televisions have become 100% cheaper and it is 100% cheaper to buy a television today and you know our current economy and value of the dollar Whereas hospital services primarily you know if you're thinking about like not, this isn't just, this isn't healthcare, this isn't like your healthcare insurance, this is literally like how much it costs how much the hospital bills for an MRI that has gone up over 200% since 2000, which I think makes sense which tracks with, like, how insane high, how insane health insurance has become. You know if you, if you're paying that family plan, you know it. It's like another hundred dollars a month this year is what they got raised to Right, yep and yeah, all the.

Speaker 2: 1:08:48

If you're someone that has to live on prescriptions, whatever, like you. You see all those things really coming through there and the and the other thing that, the next one being college tuition fees, like and we've seen that with our. I mean we've obviously seen it, but also that's, it's a huge point of you know, contention, unrest for the current, like young, generation.

Speaker 1: 1:09:10

Yeah, it's like one of the biggest reasons actually people think there could be a revolution in the US is because of a lack of return of value on debt and that's like one of the like, one of the reasons of like back in the Roman Revolution, one of the large reasons there was, you know, the public wanted to bring the downfall of Rome was because they were in debt and not seeing a return of value on the debt they had and it was like incredibly stagnating and so like in that still happens today across the globe. A lot of people don't realize like debt is one of the main motivators to say actually, you know what? No, I'm not going to jail for this and you're not going to take my house and.

Speaker 2: 1:09:52

I'm going to go marching the streets, yeah, and I'm going to take your house when you feel like you don't have agency or control over your future and outcome or your children's outcome, it starts to play in your head. What I think is interesting about looking at this chart specifically to from a more all inclusive level is the things that have become affordable. Well, a lot of that's because of technology advances to create them cell phone software, toys, television. Looking at this through like a planned or nefarious lens, the most, the things that we need most, you know, housing, hospitals, higher education, food, food, these things rocketing up, and then the things like cell phone software, televisions, toys, dropping down. Oh yeah, you could, you could guess or you could say that it's a little bit of a, you know, give them bread and games, you know yeah, oh yeah. You know it's. You know it's the the Coliseum.

Speaker 1: 1:10:54

I think the television is the.

Speaker 2: 1:10:56

Coliseum. Oh, it is the Coliseum. And it is so accessible and it's so rampant and it's so mind numbing. There is, there's larger things that play here at, whether planned or not, that are that play into this whole conversation, you know, and I think that the accessibility of these things that don't matter really, oh yeah To our survivability and to giving us purpose, giving us agency. It's showing that divide and it's showing that those same things we've seen, just like you know, give them, give them the games, give them the games.

Speaker 1: 1:11:38

Well, and it's like one of those things too I think of. Like you know, if you make a cell phone more accessible, video games more accessible, toys, tv more accessible, you it's a lot easier, I think, to then use those as a as a method of making the other things more expensive. Right? Yeah, you know, always a cell phone is cheaper, but guess what? You're going to spend more time on it and money through it, getting DoorDash right, or you know like, or you know doing Teladoc right. You know stuff like that, and so I think there is a lot to be said about you know the way that technology has become cheaper to make it more accessible, to make these other things cost more and at the same time, you know why isn't an MRI cheaper? As technology advances, as a if the plasma TV is cheaper, shouldn't an MRI be cheaper?

Speaker 2: 1:12:36

I mean like my, iphone has more technology in it than any hospital device had in 1983.

Speaker 3: 1:12:43

Oh yeah, Like you know, like you know it's like the tech.

Speaker 2: 1:12:45

The tech in there, too, is like I don't know, it's, it's, it's. The strings are being pulled, you know.

Speaker 1: 1:12:52

Yeah, it only feels like it's not sustainable. Yeah, right, and I think that's like how a lot of people feels like this can't be sustained. This can't keep going. And even that, you know, there's the jokes of, like all the billionaires right now, like Mark. What's his last name? Zuckerberg? I was going to say Zuckerberg and I knew that was wrong. But Mark Zuckerberg he like is building like an insane, like $3 billion house compound with an underground bunker part of it.

Speaker 2: 1:13:27

A lot of people say it's a storied bunker complex.

Speaker 1: 1:13:29

A lot of people said he's they're like Mark Zuckerberg spending $3 billion on a nuclear bunker, and it's like no, the bunker is part of the design. He's building a big ass house in Hawaii yeah, on a lot of acreage. Yeah, part of the features of that house is a big underground bunker. But that's not like what. That's not the one thing, but anyway, it's. Him and a couple other like millionaire billionaires are doing all these bunkers becoming preppers.

Speaker 2: 1:13:53

Yeah, and I'm like that's an interesting thread and all of them are becoming preppers.

Speaker 1: 1:13:58

All of them want to build their bunkers. What do they think is coming? And I do think it's interesting because I'm just like, I just don't think it's very realistic to be like, oh yeah, the the mob will not get to me in my bunker. Yeah. They will or they will get you to come out. You either choose to die in your bunker or and I'm not saying I can donate any of this Right, but I'm just saying, like many, many wealthy man has built a castle, both above ground or below ground, and the most poorest of his nation have walked through his doors to get him and it, like you, are not in. There's no way you're going to escape it.

Speaker 2: 1:14:43

Maybe if you get to another planet, I was like your only hope is to is narrow link and the metaverse being able to put your consciousness out. That's your all. You don't escape at this point.

Speaker 1: 1:14:52

Do not put it past a disgruntled low like low class person to just piss on the servers. Yeah, yeah, low class program or to torture you in your, in your eternal existence. And it's one of those things of like you know, I don't, hey, yeah, you can get in your bunker, you can be in your castle, guess what. Like, all right, no more foods going in. Oh, that's what you wanted, all right, well, I guess, shoot, maybe we just bang on it until you go insane and, like you come out. You know, it is one of those things that, like, I just think a lot of people have thought through their realist, realistic situation.

Speaker 2: 1:15:28

And the and the. What's the point of your existence if you're living in a bunker?

Speaker 1: 1:15:32

Yeah, true, Very true. Um side note for anyone interested, I did see that there is a bunker in Wyoming that is an abandoned missile silo for sale, to be purchased as a residence. Now a lot of it's been gutted. There's a ton of graffiti, but it is 12 stories, wow. And it's on for sale, like for like $2 million in Wyoming right now. So take a look, just type in bunker on Zillow, yeah. I was looking the other day. Okay, I was looking to see how common it is to have a bunker in America, but just type bunker in Zillow over Wyoming and you should be able to find it. It's like a legit, abandoned like missile bunker.

Speaker 2: 1:16:12

That's going to be a niche like realtor pocket in the future. Bro, you could tell they did not want to take pictures of it because, like the pictures, there's no power.

Speaker 1: 1:16:20

But then they're like I'm like level five. And there's still sketchy graffiti all over the place.

Speaker 2: 1:16:25

Some people specialize in condos or commercial or whatever you know, highly high and luxury homes, Like I'm.

Speaker 1: 1:16:32

I specialize in selling, selling bunkers I would renovate it If I had that money, if I had the insane amount of cash needed to like, modernize and update and renovate that, to like underground apartments. Oh hell yeah. If you live in Wyoming, you want to live underground, out of the wind. Yeah, just just the wind, yeah, so any of us in well, pat, I guess is there anything else that you wanted to cover from our kind of you know recap? You know we've been gone for a while and this is covering a lot of topics.

Speaker 2: 1:17:05

No, yeah, it's good to be back in the saddle, just talking about what we talk about and the kind of going back to the some of the stuff I said at the beginning of the. It's highly probable that all these crazy things happen in the near future. It's also highly probable that we're still just doing what we do every day living, being people, enjoying the breeze, enjoying the. Wyoming breeze you know, enjoying an ice cream cone, whatever you know.

Speaker 1: 1:17:36

I'll say, like, when I think of highly probable, I will say, like the best methods we have for predicting these things indicate that these things are going to happen at some point in time. Yeah, oh, for sure. Oh yeah, I mean inevitably they will happen at some point in time. Who's to say if it's next year, this year, 10 years, 20 years, right, all that said, sometimes the best indication you have for something still doesn't mean it's going to happen, like the likelihood of it occurring is still very small, even though you have your best indicator telling you oh, when this, this is telling me that this happens, because whenever this happens, this other thing happens and you know who knows right, and just like the person fixating the rich or poor person fixating on building their bunker or whatever, like the how much life can you get robbed of by fixating too much on all these things?

Speaker 2: 1:18:32

Hey, be ready for some of it, be paying attention to all of it and, like the, but also like we got to, we hit you as an individual. Have a finite amount of time here that you don't know how long that is, you don't know the conditions of the world around you, how they're going to change, and like you have to keep like. There's beauty in life all the time. And something I think it's always interesting is people who've been through like extreme hardship personally, or like been through, you know, extreme situations in a, in a, a people of a country or something, who's now like lit, looking on the back side of it. There's those people who can. They can still like enjoy life. Oh yeah, you know like, but like, and even better than others.

Speaker 1: 1:19:09

And a lot of those people who came through the other side of that stuff, like you talked to, the people who survived concentration camps. None of those people were the people who were like, yeah, so I was prepared for this Right. After World War I. I got ready Right. You know, what I mean and I've seen there's not, there's not any reason to prepare. The people who were prepared probably left. All right, let's just be real. The people who were prepared probably got up and left, but I'm just saying, like, the people who survive and endure through that stuff can still be very you know, there's hope and happiness on the other side. And what I think a lot of people don't understand is, like when we talk about like a US revolution, that doesn't mean everyone's dead. That just means whatever comes out the other side different form of government and who knows what that would be better or worse. Right, but that's what happened with the Civil War. You know, as Nicholas Cage says, before the Civil War, people used to say and refer to America as America is the United States. Oh, no, sorry, maybe I butchered that America, america, the United States are America, and now the United States is America. And it's like that R is group, collective, is a singular and it's like but yeah, before the Civil War, people refer to the United States as like an R, they are this, they are that because they are independent states. After the Civil War, it was everyone's already referred to them as is, the United States, is, and who knows, maybe this, maybe we'll see a little bit of a breakup of the union, or restructuring the union, you know, becoming our thing again, a lot more independent state to state stuff. Who knows, right, all I'm saying is it's not always bad. It's not always a bad thing, it could be a good thing. So with that, I think that time for you sign off.

Speaker 2: 1:20:54

Yeah, the thanks for tuning in, thanks for listening, and I think that we're excited to keep bringing you all these things. Check us out on all the different places we are. We're coming out with more and more stuff on YouTube. We're going to start using, you know, some of these videos and articles, things to talk about. We're starting incorporating those in our videos on there so you guys can see what's, see what we're talking about and see what's going on. We're happy that people listen and we're going to keep bringing you these, these little shows. So till next time, until next time.