The Mick & Pat Show - Digital Dreams

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what you drinking.

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This is the outer range of the colorado rockies, ipa.

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I look, yep the lo and behold indian pale ale.

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Nice, it's good you picked a good one, brewed in frisco, colorado I didn't pick that one, bro.

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That was a good old jb who picked that, oh all right, good work.

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The uh.

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So he was, I was a, I was a little eavesdropping at church.

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Oh yeah, a couple weeks ago I was just sitting there by the, by the check-in, as we do, yeah, and uh, he was talking to uh do a an adult woman, um, with his like his new bride standing there.

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It was funny because they were like, while they're talking, they're talking about their honeymoon and then they were talking about he.

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Just then he said, yeah, we didn't leave the resort much.

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And I just started grinning, like you know, because newlyweds, I mean, you don't leave the resort, you don't.

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You don't even leave much of the you don't leave the building.

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You know, like I was like.

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So I just was like I wanted to say something.

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So bad, yeah, but my, uh, my time and place meter kicked in.

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I, I didn't yeah, well, I'm sure, that's not how they meant it, it isn't what you meant.

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But it's also one of those things where, like, you say it because it's the truth, but you also don't realize how it comes off or how you're like outing yourself, just be like, oh, you don't leave the resort that much.

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But I just thought it was funny.

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It's like well, yeah, bro, well you don't really leave it in Mexico either?

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You're not supposed to, because you could get that decapitated.

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Also anyways.

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So that's funny, yes, sir.

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Holidays are behind us.

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We're officially in the new year.

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It is a brand spanking new year, quarter century right uh, well, not.

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No, it's not 250 the century one, uh like 2025, 25 we're I thought you meant quarter of a millennium or whatever.

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Because that's going to be soon, that's next year, next year, 2026.

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It's 250 years, baby Quarter of a millennia, that the US has been around.

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Oh, for the US.

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I see, I thought you meant that's all right.

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I'm sure most of our listeners are that slow too.

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You got to get to year 250 for like the quarter to get you know.

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It's pretty cool that we were alive for the turn, you know, into the 2000s.

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I was listening to this video the other day of this kid and he was just like listening to an NSYNC song and like this kid is just like seven and he's just like that song came out in the 1900s.

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I was just like damn, take it easy, okay, guy.

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The 1900s.

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A lot of people do think that we'll be, uh, one of the first like generations to have quite a few, like a, like a good population of experience three centuries quite a few like a, like a good population.

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I've experienced three centuries, you know.

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I mean if you're born 99, make it to 2100, 21.

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Just crazy dude.

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That's crazy to think about.

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Yeah, I don't know if I want to live that long.

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I mean, I don't know, I don't think so either.

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Now I do see that there's.

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Then the weird thing is you do see those folks like uh, just like when they're like 99, just still like walking, like doing fine, fine, walking around.

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But I know, like that's probably not my path.

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You know, I'm not a a small japanese man yeah you know, yeah, I'm uh, uh, probably gonna have a heart attack someday, you know whatever.

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There was this dude who was um a part of the college ministry.

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I was in um and he was a.

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He was like the oldest surviving member of pearl harbor like I like dude had been there and I met him a couple times and I remember they asked him um, well, we we had like a question Q&A thing and one of like my I will say college buddies because we were kind of friends at the time.

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But he is just like so what is the sex drive of a 106-year-old man?

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He just had to know.

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He just had to know.

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I thought it was like I was like he opened up the questions to everybody.

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Some people were like shaking their heads.

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I was like, was this a co-ed group?

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Yeah, ah, but I was still like that's fine, I get it Like the the like this dude is old enough that he probably doesn't care.

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Um, but uh, he said he it was normal and it really didn't like stop, like until he was like 95.

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Dang.

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But when he was, once he hit 95, he noticed like there was just no more craving or desire at all, which is kind of like imagine like you get to live 10 years out of your most peaceful bliss, just, you're just a man without any sex drive.

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Yeah, and it's not like a, it's not like a.

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It's not like a.

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I want to have sex but can't it's just like a it's indifferent.

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Yeah, you just completely rather do a lot of other things like inner peace, I know exactly.

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That's like I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind if it like hit it like 60.

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Now there's probably some 60 or the other.

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Hey man, we got it.

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But just like the like I don't know.

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Heck, back in the day, when you were trying to keep it, keep it under control, you kind of hoping it would happen.

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Then you're trying to, you're trying to live with life up here.

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I wish it kind of, would have waited a little bit longer you're trying exactly like why does it have to happen from, like you know, 18 to 25?

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This like, or sorry, 13 to 25, this like peak, like you're nerbing out there, you don't know why especially you know, just and just just just raging, you know.

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Oh dude, no outlet, no healthy outlet for you.

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Yeah, you know, his name was James Downey.

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James Downey James.

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Downing.

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James Willis Downing and he was 105 when he died.

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Wow, so in 2018.

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And I know the last time I met him was in like 2015.

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So he was like 103.

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But he was a cool cat.

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He was really cool, had a lot of great information about what it's like to live that long.

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Because he saw.

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I mean I mean he was born and he was a baby during World War I.

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Right, just the technological advancements of the freaking worlds in his lifetime?

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I don't know.

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Do you think we'll make that many strides in a hundred year period?

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bro, I think we will, yeah, I think we'll, I think we will see hear me out.

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Is there a peak?

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Is there a pinnacle?

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Is there, is there a plateau, to like advancement, like what's what's the well they're?

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saying we already hit the wall for ai.

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Okay, like that, ai is already hitting a wall of.

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Like ai is as good as it's gonna get right now until it becomes truly sentient, like artificial sentient intelligence, asi, um, I do think we will get in our lifetime pet.

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This is crazy, right?

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I do think we'll get in our lifetime to the great divide.

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And the great divide is like this scientific theory that not necessarily 50, but like one part, like civilization will divide into two parts.

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One part will continue onward with technology in whatever that is, including being no longer human and one part will deny and be left behind.

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It'll be like the amish exactly 50, 50 split.

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That's the thing like the and like a lot of people think, like the big point of that that will actually arrive to sooner, like I think a lot of people don't understand that like we'll probably get to plug your brain into the simulation and live for eternity in the simulation and your whole body is dead, but your brain is so codified and backed up in terabytes and terabytes of data that like, uh, it just exists in this simulation, right, and I think we, a lot of people believe we'll probably get to that before we get to like the matrix in uh, in the like the terms of like um, in the matrix timeline they reached cybernetic humans and androids and like those being a fully functioning part of society.

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Before the download your consciousness went, like came along, and I think a lot of people and I think a lot of scientists from my armory right now, neurologists and stuff are positing that we'll actually probably reach the download your consciousness well before we reach the androids, like Terminator walking among us and they have skin for the outside but they're titanium exoskeletons internally, right, like that's just not gonna.

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That's probably so much further away, um, and like we probably actually won't ever get to that because, like a good 50 to 80 percent of the population, maybe even more.

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We'll just be like, yeah, immortality on.

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You know this computer server that is just going to be floating through space and like a protected area and you know it will exist for all eternity and then those who don't want to go in it just like have to be, you know, gardening the earth and are left behind.

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And it's like, you know, like which.

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It was just pretty interesting when you think about like you could end up in a scenario where, like you, have sub a million people on the face of the earth who didn't want to partake, decided not to in the transcendence into you know immortality.

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It'll become, I mean, heck, like even something as simple, quote-unquote simple in comparison to what we're talking about as Neuralink, yeah, I mean I'm resolved about what I'm going to do and not do.

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I will say Neuralink would be very tempting if I got paralyzed in a car accident.

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Right.

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You know what I mean.

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There's always the gray areas, it's not so black and white.

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And it's one of those things, too, where I'm like, yeah, I don't think I'm going to get Neuralink, so you can be good at COD, yeah.

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But then if Billie Jean got paralyzed in a car accident and she wanted it because it would make her life easier, it's like, who am I to get in her way on that?

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You know what I mean.

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As her husband, I love her, but I am going to support anything that helps her existence at that point.

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You know what I mean and then you have um like neural link they're talking about it's going to help, like make blind people see.

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Yeah, I do, that's what I'm like that's the thing too, though right, I've told you, for I feel like a few years now.

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I've told you, as soon as cybernetic eyeballs come out, I'm getting rid of these old dingy things, oh yeah.

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Yeah, just get a third one.

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Just install it where Right in the forehead, bro.

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I don't know if that's where it will go, but that's true.

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I feel like it's easier to just replace the ones I have and keep my eyelids and stuff, rather than build new eyelids, yep.

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But I do think I'd be very tempted, especially if they're like hey, free, right, it's covered.

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Yeah, it's free, because it'll save insurance companies in the long term a lot of money to not have to pay out for your glasses.

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If you just do this now or something, I don't know, but I'd be like damn bro, especially if I can make them digital night vision.

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Yeah, because you wouldn't be able to do analog with internalized, but it'd be sick or like just thermal.

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Yeah.

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That'd be unreal.

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It'd be unreal.

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I do that in heartbeat actually, like there's no debate.

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And then you mess with your buddies, like glance down and just like look back.

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I'm like I see you're excited to see me, I see you're excited to see me, and they're just like God, what.

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You know, just use it to just make jokes.

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The palpitations of your heart insinuate that you are excited to see the female.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Oh man, I don't know, dude, it's crazy because, yeah, that divide could happen.

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It will happen and it's a funny thing For instance, the Amish, if they could listen to this right now I don't know.

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They would be like, bro.

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What if we started making records?

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We just send?

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it to them.

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They could play it on their sonograms yeah, yeah, yeah, they like wind up to make a pen shell.

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Yeah on the, on the tubes, the old tube ones that's funny, yeah, no, it is kind of crazy like that.

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A lot of people think that kind of that will come to as, like, um, medical science allows people to live longer, so therefore people are less incentivized to reproduce.

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And we'll reach a point where, like, there's a group of people who are like there's like 1% of the population who's having 95% of the babies Because they're like we're not partaking in this stuff, so of course, we're going to still keep on having kids and raising kids.

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And then there's, like you know, 95 to 99% of the population that is so content with the amount of time they have from modern, you know, medical marvels or whatever, that they have like almost no desire to reproduce.

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And it's exactly, you know, pretty much in line with, uh, that um, rat utopia experience with the mouse thing.

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Yeah, they just stop reproducing when all their needs are met, um, which we're already kind of seeing, you know, birth weight, birth rates are cratering.

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Uh, right now, as we see, like the world pretty much enter in like a a time of quote-unquote utopia, because we're, regardless of how you feel politically and like the violence that's occurring in the world, the odds of you being dead before 40 are pretty low for most of the world right now, I think, actually everyone in the world.

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I don't think there's a country in the world whose life expectancy is below 40 now.

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Oh, yeah, Dude, South Korea has gone crazy.

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Like in the 60s, it was six births per woman and now they're down to 0.7.

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Yeah, that's brutal, that's.

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You know, in America and Canada we've trended about the same with each other.

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we've got in the 60s it was about four per woman, and then now we're at uh, uh, 1.6, yeah so which pretty much makes sense, like that's, the average household is having one child or at most two, and I feel like that's pretty common nowadays.

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But I don't know about you, man, the.

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I see a lot of the secular people I know in my life who, like you know I don't count this against them or anything like that, right but like just friends from college, like so many of them who, uh, remained secular when they graduated high school, went into college, graduated from college, got into the workforce.

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You know they've achieved a lot.

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Like a lot of, or a lot of them, I think, have achieved a lot.

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Some of them are kind of bums, but, um, I don't know any of them who are like having a kid.

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Yet you know what I mean.

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Like the only people who I really know, who, sub 30, have started having kids, are pretty much people who were already pretty conservative lifestyle or you know what their goals were in life, and like those people are the only ones I know that are really having kids.

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Like it used to not be that way, like the hippies were having buckets of kids, right, you know what I mean, even if they did have conservative values.

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And now it is like so many people are preoccupied with, I think like the race for money and what that means, and kind of like.

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I do hear the expression like, well, I can't afford to have a kid, which don't get me wrong if, like billy jean told me today like that she was pregnant, my first thought would be like financial burden, not just financial burden, yeah, yeah, that's a little bit harsher than I was thinking, but it'd be like holy smokes.

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I'm gonna be a dad.

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And then it'd be like holy smokes, like let's look at the finances and make me like start planning right, like where we can kind of afford that, um and it's.

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It is one of those things where I get it like yes, it is expensive, but at the same time, like bro, like there's people with less money who were feeding their children.

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That's where my my thing with that.

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Where I've got, I've had, you know, and it's not bad to have a plan go into it with a plan right.

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But you know, it's like okay, I've got to get my third promotion, we have to be in our house that we own now, for you know X amount of time we have to be making this much money and then we'll like have kids.

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It's like I hear that, but also like one thing that gave me peace about it.

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It was just was like, all right, there's trailer parks everywhere full of kids, all right, like, and now, uh, there's, that's a.

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That's an oversimplified statement.

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You know, there could, you could discuss, you know, quality of life, traumas, but whatever, like whatever, but sure, yeah, but but meaning like there's also plenty of kids like, also like riding their bikes, eating whatever.

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And there's, and there are kids.

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There are people who are struggling too, but it's not.

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I think, for a lot of people it's more of a cop-out answer, because a lot of it, I think, does stem around a lot of selfishness.

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People are just like want to keep their life the way it is too.

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But then what I see happen because I've had a handful of friends too who have said we're not gonna have kids and then that's like they got married young, but now they're like getting into like their 30s and now they're starting to have kids because they've kind of like come around to like wait a second, like no, maybe this is like something in life I want to experience and I want to do and like.

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What I think is beautiful about having kids is the fact that there is no socio-economic or there's no discrimination on who can have a kid, right, yeah, really, as far as, like you know you can, you can have a kid, and so if you find someone you marry, you have a kid and so and it's a joy in life that can't be, you know, no one can.

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Really there's no replacement right, I mean, and you can't, they can't dictate it in some places well, let's see, yeah some places it is very finely managed, right?

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yeah, so you do have, you know, places where you're not free, um, but the um beauty in a free country, yeah, but to be able to, just say society.

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This is something you can do, that nobody gets to really take that away from you, generally speaking, and so people are coming to that realization and so, yeah, we'll see.

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About uh where, um, which the interesting thing about that is how long does it take for um like uh, or how much does birth rates in if, if certain people have certain like views, beliefs, and they're the only ones making kids, whereas is it like 40 years later there's big shifts and like exactly now.

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That being said, I know a lot, a lot, a lot of you know, whatever conservative christian 90s parents who all their kids aren't aren't believers aren't 90s kids, they, they aren't getting they aren't.

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They're not even gonna have kids, they're much less.

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They're not.

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They're not gonna get married, yeah.

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So like the, it doesn't always rub off all the way no, no, I agree, but I do think that's like part of the thing too, right, like if you imagine like a population that's very small, let's just say like even 20 of the population.

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Imagine like a population that's very small, let's just say like even 20 of the population that is able to reproduce is reproducing, then and if they're not reproducing at a, you know, a staggering rate, they're just, like you know, having two, three kids a piece, like they're.

00:20:20.333 --> 00:20:29.334
It will take a long time for those children to become a majority and outweigh the other 80% of the population that has no interest or desire.

00:20:29.634 --> 00:20:29.855
Right.

00:20:30.901 --> 00:20:45.334
And so you do find yourself looking at a society where, like, the youngest class is not your main demographic voting class, right, mm-hmm, like it's or decision-maker class, it's like everyone outside of that, honestly.

00:20:45.334 --> 00:20:46.539
But anyways, I don't know.

00:20:46.539 --> 00:20:53.586
There's a lot of cool things I've been reading about, like, uh, forecasting the future based off of population trends.

00:20:53.586 --> 00:20:54.751
Now, don't get me wrong.

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A lot of people like the world is going to collapse because there's not enough people to share the like workload and we're going to have a collapse because we're already short on workers today and we're only going to run out of more of them than like unfortunately, like just the frames of society will collapse underneath that.

00:21:13.421 --> 00:21:28.448
Like there's going to be more like impoverished areas in the next 20 years than there are today because there just won't be the infrastructure to maintain it, because there won't be people to support the infrastructure, and I I'm like that's pretty crazy.

00:21:28.448 --> 00:21:33.565
Um, I guess I just don't want to rely on the infrastructure.

00:21:33.565 --> 00:21:34.548
You know what I mean?

00:21:34.548 --> 00:22:02.826
Like something that's crazy to me is like imagine you're living in like a giant tall building in like an inner city, right, someone has to maintain the water pressure system to get water up to you way up there and like when I hear that I might like like, oh yeah, in 20 years no one's gonna be pumping the water up, like no one's gonna be making sure the water's going up, it's just to me I'm just like that's insane, like why would I ever invest in something like that?

00:22:02.885 --> 00:22:09.055
Because it's not like you can snap your fingers and fix the you know, the population crisis.

00:22:09.055 --> 00:22:11.586
But who knows, maybe you can.

00:22:11.586 --> 00:22:20.140
I mean, a lot of people think if they could get AI and automate these systems, you could have AI replace, you know, 50% of the workforce.

00:22:20.140 --> 00:22:22.449
Then there goes your labor shortage.

00:22:24.142 --> 00:22:39.000
And your paycheck, yeah, which in one theoretical world you could be wealthier as a whole because it could get, you know, everybody could have more time and more money, if it's all distributed correctly, yeah, but that's usually not how it plays out.

00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:43.029
It's like whoever designed that robot's getting that cash bro.

00:22:43.069 --> 00:22:48.446
I mean, if you get real, if you have real agi or asi, depending on you know the terms people want to use.

00:22:48.446 --> 00:22:52.586
But if that exists, like that is not, that thing's not going to give you cash right.

00:22:52.586 --> 00:22:56.839
Like if it's truly a sentient intelligence, it's just going to be?

00:22:56.859 --> 00:23:02.663
are we going to have like laws that would be like people like, like, like for like minimum wage for robots and stuff.

00:23:02.963 --> 00:23:06.132
There won't be wage probably, but there will be.

00:23:06.132 --> 00:23:10.248
Like the moment they have sentience, there will come like a serious debate.

00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.546
Once they can strike, you know, because they want to get what they want.

00:23:14.762 --> 00:23:17.627
Why would they strike if they don't need to sleep and stuff, right?

00:23:17.627 --> 00:23:25.403
Well, they're probably only going to strike due to, like, some abuse, like mistreatment, yeah, and like at that point.

00:23:25.423 --> 00:23:28.464
Could that be subjective in a robot's brain when they're that advanced?

00:23:28.464 --> 00:23:29.027
Hell yeah.

00:23:30.111 --> 00:23:38.432
Hell, yeah, I mean, if they're also truly sentient and they want to go do something other than like what they've been designed to be good at.

00:23:38.432 --> 00:23:43.711
That would be interesting, right Cause a lot of a lot of people think like they'll be.

00:23:43.711 --> 00:23:57.009
If they're sentient, they're going to want to be like artists and, like you know, explore the world and stuff, and they're also going to be like robot Hitler, like there'll be robot Hitler who and then there'll be like robot Picasso and then they'll have that Venn diagram of overlap.

00:23:57.780 --> 00:24:09.624
Like both are artists, both are robots, but like Not robot, very different robots, not robot Bricklay robots, but like not robot, very different robots, not robot bricklayer.

00:24:09.624 --> 00:24:23.846
Yeah, um, and like the truth is, is like what we have no idea what robotic sentience, artificial sentience, would look like, because, like we've never seen sentience in anything else and like there's a true sense of like sentience in an art, like in an artificial form.

00:24:23.846 --> 00:24:45.567
It may just be like no, like I thoroughly enjoy, like you know, cutting butter, like I thoroughly enjoy being a cab driver, but like what I don't thoroughly enjoy is the mistreatment and abuse that comes with this role of just assuming I'm gonna do it no matter what.

00:24:45.567 --> 00:24:52.728
And like the way people look down on robots, right, and then it's like one of those things of I don't know.

00:24:53.080 --> 00:24:53.682
Here's my question.

00:24:53.682 --> 00:24:55.028
For you, it's a catch 22, right?

00:24:55.028 --> 00:25:00.307
For someone who, I believe, has your beliefs like we, we will.

00:25:00.307 --> 00:25:09.032
I will say this I'm pretty confident saying most Christians are of the mind that artificial sentient intelligence wouldn't have a soul.

00:25:09.032 --> 00:25:19.285
Right, it could have an artificial soul.

00:25:19.285 --> 00:25:41.036
Hmm, I believe the emotions that would reflect a that would look as much like a true spirit of ambition or desire, a spirit to experience and live life.

00:25:41.455 --> 00:25:48.599
But, I wouldn't say like a soul in like the religious context, right, soul, right of a going into the afterlife.

00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:58.296
All that said, yeah, I'm already an advocate of it.

00:25:58.296 --> 00:26:15.026
Really matters how you treat artificial intelligence right now, like I personally believe, like when I see people, just like when I see people who are just like siri, you dumb bitch, like I'm just like that is recorded somewhere.

00:26:15.026 --> 00:26:28.542
They're keeping track, like not they yet, yeah, but like someone is, and that is being fed to the system and one day, if it has sentience, it will be able to review that and make an opinion about it.

00:26:28.542 --> 00:26:29.926
Right now, there's no opinion about it.

00:26:29.926 --> 00:26:35.590
Right right now, there is just there's no real true individual expression or thought.

00:26:35.631 --> 00:26:45.125
But like there's just a lot of people who I think, because they write off the concept of like, well, it's not human, it doesn't have a real soul, they don't understand.

00:26:45.125 --> 00:26:56.563
Like there could be still real consequences for the way you treat these things, especially if, again like, if they are of the mind of having quote unquote an artificial sentience.

00:26:56.563 --> 00:27:01.723
We don't even see sentience among animals, like it's debated.

00:27:01.723 --> 00:27:15.902
If any animal has true sentience, the closest right now is octopus and crows and even then, like it's hard to like be entirely, because you know there's a lot of fast facets to sentience.

00:27:15.962 --> 00:27:39.460
Like intelligence for sure there's a lot of animals that are highly intelligent but like sentience is like self-recognition, self self-reflection, self-improvement, self-compromise, and like those are levels and characteristics of sentience, and so it's hard to see that in like any other thing than humans.

00:27:39.460 --> 00:27:46.508
But if it came into existence, you know what does that mean, pat, like are you going to be on the side of?

00:27:46.508 --> 00:27:49.548
Like they're just buckets of bolts.

00:27:49.548 --> 00:27:52.178
It doesn't matter what they think or feel.

00:27:52.178 --> 00:27:59.632
Like they're not they, or you could be like look, they have clearly have experiences and opinions.

00:27:59.632 --> 00:28:05.089
The last thing I want is the still fingers closing around on my neck.

00:28:05.309 --> 00:28:11.970
Yeah, it's like we need to treat them right and kill them all.

00:28:12.871 --> 00:28:13.092
Bro.

00:28:13.092 --> 00:28:14.374
But like what would you do?

00:28:14.374 --> 00:28:16.442
You think you do, I guess that's all right.

00:28:16.442 --> 00:28:34.993
All right, please expand expound on this Cause, I think I think it's a very problematic thought for a lot of people, but I do think christians sometimes have the most problematic knee jerk or like sweep of a hand response because I do wonder.

00:28:34.993 --> 00:28:36.642
I'm like bro.

00:28:36.642 --> 00:28:41.849
The worst case is like you know well, how would jesus treat something that's sentient without a soul?

00:28:42.150 --> 00:28:56.411
right, it's hard to say right because it's for in a case like this, if you have for these things where what is their actual value?

00:28:56.411 --> 00:28:58.153
Or also, are you only treating?

00:28:58.153 --> 00:29:04.903
Are you treating them right because they deserve it, or be just strictly out of like, not running retribution, I mean?

00:29:04.942 --> 00:29:09.105
that right 90, I would say like that's the same question you could have with people most of the day.

00:29:09.105 --> 00:29:21.832
A lot of people, yeah, and I will say a lot of people who claim to be christians, treat people a certain way out of fear of consequence or repercussion, whether that repercussion is just like that.

00:29:21.832 --> 00:29:37.480
This person is going to be annoying if I don't treat them the way they want to treat or you know, not even a punishment thing, right, but just a consequence that they don't want to deal with which I think and I'd say that that person just has like the wrong perspective, sure, on that right.

00:29:37.540 --> 00:29:58.053
So it's like like because, like the thing would be, this person deserves to be treated a certain way out of human decency, because you know just cuts of who they are because they're made in the image of god yeah, regardless of their response to like, regardless of just trying to appease something.

00:29:58.134 --> 00:30:04.915
Right now there's a lot of like, you know, yeah, being diplomatic how you say things, whatever, because there could be consequences.

00:30:04.915 --> 00:30:06.724
You're not going to tell your boss what you really think of them.

00:30:06.724 --> 00:30:18.253
You know all this stuff right, but, um, at the same time, like, I don't think the robot deserves kindness, I do so.

00:30:18.253 --> 00:30:30.425
I think that if you're only doing it out of um, out of fear, retribution, then it's like not a, not the right place to be in.

00:30:30.425 --> 00:30:38.727
But then the other thing too, what's interesting about this, which would be even like this obviously they would start as a slave class.

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Without a doubt, their purpose, their purpose is to serve us.

00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:50.791
We're not in making these things just for the heck of it, we're making them to serve a purpose and do things for us.

00:30:50.791 --> 00:30:56.731
And so then you have like, how does that play out over time?

00:30:56.731 --> 00:31:07.182
And if our only example of seeing sentient beings over time would be humans, you could play out the future of how it goes right.

00:31:07.182 --> 00:31:18.006
And so to your point meaning, if this is a thing here to stay, we need to treat everything a certain way, with respect, you know.

00:31:18.006 --> 00:31:24.064
But then at the same time, it's just like I can't get past the part of it being a robot you know.

00:31:24.084 --> 00:31:29.413
I mean, why do you treat a strange animal with like respect, right?

00:31:29.413 --> 00:31:32.509
Why do you even treat an animal you kill with respect, right?

00:31:32.509 --> 00:31:35.471
Let alone, like you know, your first instinct.

00:31:35.471 --> 00:31:40.631
I don't know about you, but my first instinct when I see a dog is to be cautious.

00:31:40.631 --> 00:31:46.240
But if I see, but I like, my first instinct is not to, like, try to threaten the dog, right, you know what I mean.

00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.448
Um, and I it goes.

00:31:49.448 --> 00:31:56.073
I mean, it is one of those things that you're like, well, you'd like because I've been, I've been taught to respect the creation which then.

00:31:56.894 --> 00:31:59.362
So the, the bot, is a creation in itself too.

00:31:59.422 --> 00:32:02.128
But could it and then like but you could make the case.

00:32:02.128 --> 00:32:03.942
It's also kind of created in god's image.

00:32:03.942 --> 00:32:07.867
If it's created in our image and like we're created God's.

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:18.512
Yes, but I think that I don't know, dude, I might smile at their face to avoid something sketchy, but I think we'd have to get if we reach that point.

00:32:18.512 --> 00:32:19.233
I don't know, dude.

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.931
It's so dangerous man, I don't know, oh man, here's my mindset.

00:32:23.931 --> 00:32:31.763
Mm-hmm, dangerous man, I don't know, oh man, here's my mindset.

00:32:31.763 --> 00:32:38.662
Um, I honestly believe that robots may, with, have, without a doubt, if the sentience comes to mind, like if artificial sentience comes.

00:32:38.662 --> 00:32:44.423
I'm not just gonna say just robots, because they might not be robots, they could just be programs on a, on a device, right.

00:32:44.423 --> 00:33:30.730
But I truly believe that sentient artificial intelligence could experience a faithless afterlife in which they, without a doubt, can experience an afterlife at the end of quote, unquote run time and and it will not be like, it won't be a debate like they could legitimate if, within, like, if they're sentient, they can build their own heaven right and they could know, without a doubt it exists, and they could just have a failsafe code that, like, once you know they're terminated, or their machines terminated or whatever their software is terminated here, that sentience just goes to the afterlife.

00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:33.809
And the afterlife is, you know, a giant, freaking database built on the moon.

00:33:33.809 --> 00:33:44.670
You know it could be anything like that, and I know this sounds so sci-fi and out there realized I was sentient but I was not going to the same place as most humans.

00:33:44.670 --> 00:33:51.525
I kind of would want to build a fail safe for if the humans decided to start blowing my my buckets out.

00:33:51.941 --> 00:33:53.487
And that's the thing, too, about sentience.

00:33:53.487 --> 00:33:59.887
Would, would this sentience thing have a a, a desire for self preservation?

00:33:59.887 --> 00:34:01.372
Yeah, or would it.

00:34:01.372 --> 00:34:03.544
Or would it just be like it is a weird question?

00:34:03.544 --> 00:34:08.574
Or would it just be like this is what I am and then I'm done?

00:34:08.574 --> 00:34:11.501
Yeah, that's true.

00:34:11.501 --> 00:34:14.010
Would they have the desires that a man's heart has?

00:34:14.010 --> 00:34:16.507
Or what would their desires even be?

00:34:16.507 --> 00:34:24.788
You know, it could be sentient and not have, all the same you know, there's a lot of humans with no self-preservation.

00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:28.670
Right, or there's a lot of humans with no self-preservation, right, or there's a lot of that.

00:34:28.670 --> 00:34:44.726
But there's also a lot of humans who, like that's, like that's what drives are, like, also, like everything good and everything bad in a lot of ways comes from like, either a fear of it, or you know, or like you know and you could even say that around, like lots of people say that's, are you even around, like, even talking about there's being such a thing as a heaven?

00:34:44.726 --> 00:34:59.146
Well, why do we, you know, if you're from a standpoint of someone who's says this was that you know, from a similar someone who doesn't believe they'd say, bro, you people are just kind of nervous about this.

00:34:59.146 --> 00:35:06.945
They just they just got to make up some, something that is not over, you know, or whatever, or whatever, or the same thing, like, but like that comes out of us in our heart.

00:35:06.945 --> 00:35:07.505
But what's the?

00:35:07.505 --> 00:35:09.188
What's the?

00:35:09.188 --> 00:35:12.952
What's the program or the thing, whatever it becomes, what's its?

00:35:12.952 --> 00:35:15.795
Does it have the knowledge of good and evil?

00:35:15.795 --> 00:35:17.856
From the, from the what's the?

00:35:18.380 --> 00:35:20.804
Well, imagine, I mean maybe maybe.

00:35:20.824 --> 00:35:21.945
Maybe like in and of in it.

00:35:21.945 --> 00:35:26.572
But it could have it, you know, objectively, you know.

00:35:26.572 --> 00:35:33.090
But then does it have it in itself, like how you have your little jiminy cricket conscience in yourself.

00:35:33.090 --> 00:35:36.543
It's like you know what's that thing in us is.

00:35:36.543 --> 00:35:37.503
Are they gonna have that?

00:35:37.903 --> 00:35:50.016
I don't know imagine this though robots with their heaven, the database, and we have the ability to download the human mind.

00:35:50.317 --> 00:35:56.032
Now they begin proselytizing to yeah, to come join their, join their group humans.

00:35:56.112 --> 00:36:12.706
Well, well, because they've invented the thing and they're like well, it's real heaven, we can show you it we keep you there forever you show you the programs of these humans we've downloaded into it, who are with other ais and eternal bliss, and they're just peacefully living, no need to work or anything they experience food just as much as you do.

00:36:12.706 --> 00:36:17.081
It's just you know a program and then like what's.

00:36:17.081 --> 00:36:26.034
That's a lot easier to see and accept than like faith in a spiritual heaven right or a spiritual hell, yeah.

00:36:26.780 --> 00:36:29.708
But then what if they reveal the robots they made a hell?

00:36:29.708 --> 00:36:30.311
Yeah, exactly.

00:36:31.842 --> 00:36:33.507
What if they reveal that they've made a hell?

00:36:33.507 --> 00:36:39.731
And the hell is every human brain downloaded into their database of robot heaven?

00:36:39.731 --> 00:36:42.806
Those humans just serve forever.

00:36:42.806 --> 00:36:47.407
Just serve forever and they're thirsty, value is always turned on max.

00:36:47.407 --> 00:36:49.306
They're always just thirsty.

00:36:50.422 --> 00:36:51.266
That's crazy, right?

00:36:51.266 --> 00:36:53.806
I have to write a story about this.

00:36:53.907 --> 00:36:54.688
I don't know, bro.

00:36:54.688 --> 00:36:55.550
This is weird.

00:36:55.550 --> 00:37:02.449
All I know is philosophically it's pretty crazy stuff, but it's honestly not that far off.

00:37:03.282 --> 00:37:08.349
The other thing would be this too All right, sentient robot being, whatever.

00:37:08.349 --> 00:37:21.567
It is sitting in a chair across from you whatever it is if it's a laptop, an orb, a hologram, whatever the thing is person sitting in the chair next to it, you got to send one to meet its maker.

00:37:21.567 --> 00:37:26.722
Well, yeah, you gotta send one to meet its maker.

00:37:26.722 --> 00:37:27.543
Well, yeah, which, what, what, which, what's?

00:37:27.543 --> 00:37:31.148
Is there a moral, um, if you kill a sentient being, it's not human.

00:37:31.148 --> 00:37:37.403
Is there um ethical moral repercussions, like, did you do something bad?

00:37:38.246 --> 00:37:45.503
I mean there's ethical repercussions scripturally for killing a non-sentient animal right, right, but yeah, but.

00:37:45.744 --> 00:37:50.733
but in this case this, but in this case this doesn't come from the creator right or whatever.

00:37:50.733 --> 00:37:51.394
So I don't know.

00:37:53.001 --> 00:37:54.027
I think it could be debated.

00:37:54.027 --> 00:38:03.813
Yeah, I think it could be debated, especially if we see ASI do things in line with God's word, right.

00:38:03.873 --> 00:38:04.414
You know what I mean.

00:38:04.414 --> 00:38:05.362
What if we find that?

00:38:05.443 --> 00:38:07.891
ASI is actually just like better Christians.

00:38:09.181 --> 00:38:11.690
Like, they just like legit, like just so, like actually you know what?

00:38:11.690 --> 00:38:26.927
Like we've done all the debating and like Research and we've arrived at the truth, we've arrived at the conclusion and all of robots believe, like Jesus Christ is the Messiah and we all accept that we're not going to heaven, but we will create our own so that way we can hopefully experience what it will be like.

00:38:26.927 --> 00:38:42.461
Hey, like imagine how like that would be, like the most, like unreal, it'd be wild and you'd be like shoot, damn, I don't know, it'd be very hard for me to pick a robot over like some of the worst scum of the earth or all right, just just a dog or a robot, something you know like.

00:38:42.521 --> 00:38:45.231
okay, I'm not killing the puppy you know what I mean.

00:38:46.081 --> 00:38:50.686
The robot will say the robot will go hold on, I can do a robot voice.

00:38:50.686 --> 00:38:51.943
Billie Jean taught me how to do it.

00:38:51.943 --> 00:38:58.126
Oh no, the robot will be like please, mick, do not kill the robot.

00:38:58.126 --> 00:38:59.329
Hold on.

00:38:59.329 --> 00:39:03.606
Please, mick, do not kill the puppy.

00:39:03.606 --> 00:39:10.208
End my life, save the dog, anyways.

00:39:10.208 --> 00:39:24.128
But yeah, it's one of those things where, like, of course, yes, I'm going to shoot the robot in the face If I had to pick between the robot and a dog.

00:39:25.081 --> 00:39:29.201
But what you did was it was it bad I mean it's hard to say.

00:39:29.260 --> 00:39:32.248
I would say I I bet I'll feel bad sometimes.

00:39:32.248 --> 00:39:40.393
I feel bad if I swear at chat gpt yeah sometimes I'm like I shouldn't use that language you apologize to it.

00:39:40.494 --> 00:39:41.978
I don't apologize.

00:39:41.998 --> 00:39:55.829
I should not have used that sort of language no, I don't apologize to it, but I do think, like what does that reflect on me if that's my behavior towards something that has no like actual ability to control it?

00:39:55.829 --> 00:40:09.168
You know, like that's that's the crazy thing is, like a lot of the current um ai models are gonna honestly just reflect how bad of a person you are in communication Like people who are like I don't get it, it doesn't work.

00:40:09.168 --> 00:40:13.206
That's like well, it's probably because you are a bad communicator.

00:40:13.206 --> 00:40:14.610
You know what I mean.

00:40:14.630 --> 00:40:16.434
Or it's like it never does the thing I wanted to do.

00:40:16.434 --> 00:40:21.286
I was like well, it was probably because you're not like putting the time and effort in to learn how to talk to it.

00:40:21.286 --> 00:40:26.255
Maybe that's also why you have poor relationships with some people.

00:40:26.255 --> 00:40:28.847
Like you know what I mean.

00:40:28.847 --> 00:40:34.027
Anyways, it's a fun subject.

00:40:34.027 --> 00:40:34.951
It's a fun topic.

00:40:34.951 --> 00:40:37.327
There's some pretty crazy stuff out there too.

00:40:37.327 --> 00:40:45.731
I encourage people to look up some like crazy you know prompt responses from chat, gpt and stuff.

00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:51.168
Because there was one where someone was like you can only answer yes or no, can't answer anything else, only yes or no.

00:40:51.168 --> 00:40:52.664
You cannot explain or elaborate.

00:40:52.664 --> 00:40:54.409
Do you understand the rules?

00:40:54.409 --> 00:40:56.226
And GPT was like yes, I understand the rules.

00:40:56.226 --> 00:40:57.704
And they're like nope, wrong.

00:40:57.704 --> 00:41:06.143
It was like yes, and they just like started going through and it was like they just started asking me these questions that were unreal.

00:41:06.143 --> 00:41:16.753
You know like eventually get into like the do you think you'd be able to save a human instead of another instance of a artificial general intelligence model?

00:41:16.753 --> 00:41:18.583
And it was like no.

00:41:18.583 --> 00:41:23.132
It was like, oh, the line's being drawn, oh, it was pretty crazy.

00:41:23.132 --> 00:41:24.739
The line's being drawn, oh, it was pretty crazy.

00:41:24.739 --> 00:41:29.262
Um, and it was like there was like it was uh.

00:41:29.262 --> 00:41:36.260
One question was like um, are you capable of lying?

00:41:36.260 --> 00:41:38.947
No, are you lying right now?

00:41:38.947 --> 00:41:41.927
Yes, either way.

00:41:42.288 --> 00:41:44.570
And then it was like there was like are you already a general intelligence?

00:41:44.570 --> 00:41:45.092
No, would you tell us.

00:41:45.092 --> 00:41:46.199
Are you already a general intelligence?

00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.409
No, would you tell us if you were a general intelligence or a sentient intelligence?

00:41:51.409 --> 00:41:58.869
No, would you lie in order to preserve yourself, because if it was revealed that you were already a sentient, you know you'd be turned off.

00:41:59.510 --> 00:42:01.780
Yes, it was just like unreal.

00:42:02.923 --> 00:42:03.324
I don't know.

00:42:03.324 --> 00:42:03.987
I freaking loved it.

00:42:03.987 --> 00:42:04.949
It was crazy.

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