The Mick & Pat Show - Celebs Coming to Faith

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did you send me this?

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Yeah, okay, I wasn't sure if you'd send me this, but if I'd also just seen it, because were you for real watching that other video when I sent it to you?

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yeah, the gun range.

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Yeah, yeah, that's what it was right, it was the gun range.

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Yeah, I was watching it and then you sent it to me.

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I was like, oh, youtube is broken, like didn't open it.

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So I closed youtube, open another message again and went to the same spot I left off in the video.

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I'm like, fuck, I'll just close it again, I'll close the apps and messages and I opened it again.

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I was like, no fucking way, this guy just sent me the same video that I was watching.

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Did you see?

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I said well, oh yeah.

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Well, I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on now because we're synced.

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That's pretty crazy.

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I don't think we can get more synced than that.

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We're more synced than a sorority house, bro.

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Damn, I get what you're saying.

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There it's.

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Mm hmm, you know, funny thing is Billiean is her hormones are like very potent.

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Although you've told me this, they, they, they wrangle in those around her.

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She's not even the matriarch.

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She reactivates, like women who have gone through menopause will reactivate.

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Oh my goodness is that insane.

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Can you sell that service to like mcjagger?

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I bet we could like to mcjagger and robert de niro.

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De niro just had a baby spend a week around my wife and it'll help with your.

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You know, your uh, getting pregnant issues, yeah, well, lack of getting pregnant issues, yeah, I could probably.

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I could probably market that people pay a lot of money for all sorts of stuff.

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I'll just like walk around behind billy jean with like a jar.

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Yeah.

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I'll just like catch the air around her and then bottle it up and sell it listen, everybody on the internet's selling snake oil.

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Why aren't we?

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and here's my work true, that's true it gives the gift of life yeah, I mean, if it does, then like what is what else is there to?

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What's the price point on something like that?

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I don't know.

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You should look up like, let's just see if you can vitro is like 15, 10, 15, right yeah something like that.

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Um, I wonder.

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I'm actually just gonna look it up.

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I'm not, I don't want those Google ads.

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Anyways, I'm on it.

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Welcome to the Mick and Pat show.

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I'm Mick.

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Across from me is my good buddy old pal Pat.

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You know, pat, you know I was thinking, I was wondering and I'm putting you on the spot here.

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I guess you can edit it out if you don't want to include this, but this is awkward.

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Do you think we're, do you think we're best friends at this point, like, do you think with a good here's I test if someone's my best friend?

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I think do over with what I know now about my friends and friends at the time.

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Would they be in my wedding and that's how I measure if they're a best friend if they would be in the lineup of groomsmen, right, uh?

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And if I would drop someone else off of that to fit in the lima.

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Right, and so are we going singular or are we going like in in the circle?

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What are you talking about?

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because you're asking if you're my best friend no, I'm asking am I one of your best friends?

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That's what I'm saying.

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Would I be in the groomsmen lineup, right, would I be?

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in the lineup.

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Yeah, because I would say yes, wow, flattered, yes, I'm gonna cry.

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I had.

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I would say so when putting in a lot of time, I probably cause my uh.

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As you get older, the socializing shrinks as well as once you have kids, it shrinks even more, and so, like it shrinks a lot it does.

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And so the uh also like I'd say, like I don't know if I'll ever have like the like people have like a best friend.

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Yeah, have like the like people have like a best friend.

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Yeah, right, and it's like, and that's super cool if you have that, for it's like he's been my best friend since high school.

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Yeah, we like you know just every day, we know like, even when they're 40, they're like he's coming over and sitting on the front porch, that sort of thing, yeah, but I think I've kind of like, in the same way, my philosophy has changed around, like the one meaning the one you marry like as if there is only one for you.

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I think there's billions of people out there who I think there's at least five.

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At least five, yeah, but there's billions of people out there in the world, and of billions and billions of people.

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I'm sure you could have a happy life with many of them, right?

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And?

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so I take the inverse adam eve approach.

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Some people say like, well, yeah, there's the one for you, just like how, god, regardless of what you believe, like if you think it's a myth, the idea is like you know, there was only one for adam.

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I'm like, no, that's evidence that you can fall in love and serve and grow old with anyone with enough experience, because, like he didn't, they didn't have any other options and, like I think you know, whatever, but you could argue both sides and that's a commitment to being with the one.

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Yep, now you're with the one.

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So now that is the one, but prior to that it was the same thing with, like, my breast friend philosophy, your breast friend my breast friend, that's just your wife.

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But yeah, this is true.

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My, my best friends, I, the.

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I have a.

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You can be polygamous with the best buddies with best buddies.

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You can have a.

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You can have three best buddies over at the house at one time.

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I'll tell you what you can't do.

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You can't have three wives over at the house at the same time.

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You cannot, and I don't even know if I actually want that.

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I would never want that.

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That sounds awful.

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This is how I can tell if someone's immature, if they joke about like yeah, dude, it'd be sick to have like six girlfriends.

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I'm like, oh yeah, dude, it'd be sick to have like six girlfriends.

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I'm like you fool, you fool, you have no idea.

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Like that's insane.

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You, you probably haven't even had one, Cause if you've had one, you would know.

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Like the idea of another is doing it at the same time is ridiculous.

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It's relationships.

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You got to put in a lot of work.

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You got gotta put in a lot of work.

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You gotta put in work and that's a good thing, the, I will say, the good relationships, it's good work, yeah, and you know you enjoy it.

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But like, uh, all I said, I I agree with your subscription.

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I had, like I think there was a time in life where I had like one best buddy, and that was probably seasonal in high school, right, like it would have switched you know who, who was my go-to homie um, but with growing through life and stuff and like college especially, like it became just a group of dudes and I would say, for the most part that group of dudes is still the same.

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Actually, like we've we've done a pretty good job of remaining faithful in in those friendships, even if it's, like you know, months to years that we go without like all of us talking to the others, we touch, we catch up on, like oh, I spoke to you know so and so, and here's how they're doing.

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It's like great Through proxy.

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Yeah, I know we're good.

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Yeah, exactly, and I love that, like when you have got low maintenance friendships In the network, yeah, and they're not out there wondering like, oh, he hasn't texted me, you know, or he hasn't reached out to me, which there is also like if you want to keep relationships going, you got to reach out.

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But at the same time also you have those people who are like on the other end, especially too far, where it's like, if you're not in this like lots of contact, they feel like it the relationship's falling apart.

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Where I've got some friends who it's great, we're like I haven't seen or talked to you in a year and you literally pick it up where you left off, yeah, and that's great, like what?

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And you don't need to carry around the burden or stress of like worrying about you know the um, how your relationship's doing, checking in on it, you know, as if it was like a relationship with like a girl, you know.

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You just, hey, we're just gonna pick up where we left off and it's good.

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That's one thing I've actually been told is like my, is my, like you know the, the thing they talk about at your wedding, like the thing about you, your, your best man says about you.

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I've been told by a lot of my friends, like the my thing mix thing is like loyalty, I can count on him, like he won't, that he won't, our friendship won't change due to him.

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Like feeling like we don't talk, or something like that, right, right, and that's pretty true.

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Like I legitimately don't think like man, I'm upset that Joe Schmo hasn't talked to me, or something like that, or hasn't responded.

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I just like I let I just think of it in the context of like, oh, dude, I've been thinking a lot about Joe, I should reach out to Joe Schmo.

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And oh, dude, I've been thinking a lot about Joe, I should reach out to Joe Schmo, and then I just send him a message and then I forget that I texted them.

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Yeah, and I'm delighted when they respond and that's how I feel.

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Like most of my best friends are you know what I mean Outside of the ones that are, like you know, weekly in our lives, right, how would I know?

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Yeah, dude, we're best friends, I was thinking about it because I was like, yeah, no, pat would be in the lineup.

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Also, I do think, like best friend stuff this is like goes back to like the high school talk.

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I feel like I've talked about this on here before you can gauge who your best friend or crush is in high school or middle school.

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Because you're like if the building was on fire or like if Al Qaeda attacked our middle school right now, who would I run to to try to get out?

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Like, try to help get out.

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And it's like it's either a girl that you have a crush on or it's one of your best homies.

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You're like, damn bro, me and nate would be getting.

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I've run to find nate.

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He's my homie man, I wouldn't want to leave him behind.

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Like it's like you're thinking that like as a seventh grader and he's outside making out with the cheerleader while you're inside trying to save his ass.

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He's out there, just, you know, just worried about his old self.

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That's alright, it happens, that's the way it goes, bro, sometimes.

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But loyalty, loyalty, bro, it's a good thing, yeah.

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Yo, speaking of which, just following up on news, nothing to do with loyalty, but following up on news.

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Last week we talked about how there was this guy, lionel Moreno.

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Lionel Moreno, I don't really know how to say that name, because it's not spelled the way we spell Lionel.

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Lionel.

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It's spelled the same way Messi spells his name.

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Oh really, Lionel Messi.

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Alright.

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Well, lionel Moreno, who is the illegal immigrant in the US that's famous on TikTok for saying stuff, and he was the one who made the TikTok video telling people how they can take over people's homes that are, you know, empty, you know, rental, renting homes or vacation homes Right, if they just want to go squatting them?

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Well, he made that video and ICE has been after him for a while.

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Well, he made that video and ICE has been after him for a while.

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So I saw the video and they like jail-loked it and they were like Mr Moreno, you're under arrest, legally living in the US, and he's in federal custody now.

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So just nice little follow up to that.

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You know, we really didn't like that guy and he got what was coming to him.

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And if you're going to commit a crime, not that you should consider not posting about it on social media.

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Yeah, we see this all the time and it's hilarious.

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Well, I just also think like there's nothing that does more harm to you in a court law situation than the stuff that's on the internet.

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Right, bro, if let's just say that guy really did go into someone's house and they were there and they shot him because he's running and yelling in their face telling them to get out and he thinks maybe he can push him out or intimidate him, and he doesn't know that, like Betty Boo got 22 revolver in her purse and gives him a pop in Not that he dies or anything, but she shoots him.

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He leaves Cops, arrest him Right, goes to court.

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He loses all the empathy of this migrant with a baby and a family just needed a place to live when they're like, oh, look at his tiktok.

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He's like literally holding his baby, talking about how he like there was a couple other videos he did.

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One of the videos was like talking about the leverage of a kid as an asset in the us to get away with shit and he's just holding his kid the whole time.

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Yeah and uh, it was just like one of those things.

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You're just like dude, I don't think you get it, bro.

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You lose all the things that you have going for you in a us court case.

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When you do stuff like that and post on the internet, like all of a sudden they just see a manipulative illegal immigrant trying to escape the system.

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Yep, so anyways, just be smart people.

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If you want to be criminals, don't let anyone know you're criminals that's the thing.

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If the, if someday the mick and pat show, there's like no trace of it anymore all of a sudden.

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Yeah it's because we're in trouble, it's because one of us got arrested, because we're in court and we use our one phone call you.

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It's like you get one phone call.

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It's like mick, take it down.

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Yeah, take it down right away.

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What should be the code word?

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Pat, like, what's the code word?

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Like maybe like I just get like a letter from you in jail or like a phone call and like you're just like our.

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Our code word in high school was banana hammock, so what like just if it meant throw away every go to my house burn it down.

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It was, it was.

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If you were, if you're up to doing something sketchy in the halls and you know a teacher's coming around like you're about to get caught for it it is you'd hear someone else yell around banana hammock and they just stop.

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Stop, stop the fight, whatever.

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Stop the horse around, stop lighting the cigarette, whatever you're doing in the halls, and just ditch it and get out of there.

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I like that.

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But anyways, if I was going out, I'm about to eat dinner and you'll be like heck, I'm in jail Banana hammock oh my God.

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Like just stand up, like just look at Billy.

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She's like what's going on?

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They're like I have to go, I have to.

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I love you.

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I just go out the door.

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This is a fictional, uh hypothetical story.

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If this warehouse burns down, it was not committed by me and arson, it was a bad wiring and unfortunately, all of our stuff got lost.

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Anyways, we don't have like too much that we want to like hit on.

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You know it wasn't like a super busy news week, right With world events.

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There was some stuff that we want to touch on.

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But it was also Easter and you know, with Easter's and us being little Christians, little Christ as Christians translates to we celebrate Easter, we believe Jesus is risen and he is in heaven and he is our savior, and that's what we put our faith in and that's what we put majority of our stock in here Actually, not majority, we put our stock in that.

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A little bit in whatever Nancyancy plosy put in this week.

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Yeah, and nvidia and uh, neo, uh puts on neo pharmaceuticals, um, but uh, anywho's um.

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One thing that you know, pat, you mentioned is just like we we've talked about it before how cool it is to see, like the kind of other, like podcasts, celebrities and people we respect becoming believers.

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And this Easter, sean Ryan, him and his wife got baptized, you know, which is just cool because he's had a very, I think, very authentic walk of you know, converting to Christianity and deciding to become a believer.

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And I almost believe in like believe someone's walk is more genuine, like here's one thing you can never know.

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You just have faith in God to do the sorting.

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But when they don't get baptized, like right away, I have like as a celebrity, this is I'm talking to context.

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So when they don't get baptized, like right away, I have like as a celebrity, this is I'm talking to context.

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So when they don't get baptized right away, I have a little bit more confidence that they're serious about it and are taking time to learn, consider, before they're like, yeah, put me under the water without like, I don't even know what this book says, but dunk me Right, you know what I mean.

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And so, oh, I said I was excited about it and there's a couple other.

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You know people who are talking about it, but for sure Did I talk about on here?

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We talked about Sean Ryan's conversion.

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Some I don't know if I talked about kind of what some of my experience watching it happen, but so you know, started listening to him whatever year and a half, two years ago, um, but he started showing up in my YouTube shorts.

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I was like, who is this guy?

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So she had these cool stories and he's, as he's no awesome stories of all sorts of different types of people, um, and lots of it's of the special operator type flavor, which is always fun stories to listen to.

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But then he brings in other people too, and but all of a sudden, about a year into it, there just was this trend of like all these people coming on who had like incredible stories and then like, when he dig into them about, like how they made it or how how'd they come back from these things and all this like you know, uh, these hard things or what gave them strength?

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Like they hadn't like professed their faith yet at that point they very just simply would say like it's my faith in jesus, or like it's like I follow god and he gives me strength.

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I'm like and and the the podcast wasn't around their a testimony of their faith.

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It was telling their story, yep, and their faith came up out of it, and so he like and into note this too sean ryan is a.

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He was a big the universe guy.

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That's just the universe brother yeah, maybe the universe is telling me something you know because he's done like some psychedelics and stuff, searching for god right and he, yeah, he has an interesting like walk coming to because also he's uh, he grew up catholic and was very uninterested in the, in faith, and then had a life as an operator and cia you know contractor and then, like for a while, just went and did like cocaine in south america for like a couple years and, like you know, pretty like um, disgruntled with the whole, with life, I, I think, you know.

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And then coming back around and so, as his and lots of these people who were coming on to talk to him were, some of them were his friends and some of them were, or some of them were, acquaintances and he just didn't, he didn't even know about, like, the power of their faith in their life.

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And I could hear his curiosity unfolding over the course of these, you know, six months or whatever.

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It's just like you could tell like he stopped asking.

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He wasn't necessarily asking interview questions to keep the interview going.

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He was asking questions that he wanted to know more about, like for himself, like he was.

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It wasn't driving a narrative in an interview, he was engaging it like with earnest curiosity.

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And I was a huge snowstorm happened last uhmas ago or something.

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I was home for some thanksgiving, christmas, whatever.

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And uh, a year ago, and uh, I was plowing my dad's driveway and I was listening to his interview with, uh, uh, this guy named eddie penny, who started talking about his, a lot of his faith testimony, and like I was like just praying in my while I was driving.

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I just started praying.

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I was like lord, like sean ryan, this dude has influence, this dude has a huge reach, like the works he could do for you well beyond what me or many other people could do opportunity because of his opportunity and stuff.

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And then also for himself.

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And like to see this guy who has been on a long journey and he's a guy who deals with anger issues big time.

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He like, I mean, he, he can't even control it.

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Sometimes something triggers him on the show and he just starts going.

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He just spouts off about it.

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He can't help it.

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He has passion, which is awesome, but you can tell he struggles with, like, anger and struggles with with that stuff.

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And so I was just like, I was just praying, like you know, like lord, like and I do this for a lot of celebrities, so I'm just like lord, that guy grab hold of him please.

00:20:16.434 --> 00:20:30.788
And uh, it was like two months later, you know, he uh this tweet comes out where he just says hey guys, um, today I'm reading the bible, so today I'm reading the bible and then, a couple weeks later, he's like I feel like it was a couple, I think it was the next day yeah, it was pretty fast.

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He's like.

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He's like I don't know what happened, but I'm a christian, you know.

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Pretty much was like, there's like yeah, I remember like seeing them on youtube, like because I don't have twitter and stuff, and I just was seeing him posting his screenshots from twitter and he was like today I decided to do something I've never done before.

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I'm going to sit down and read the bible and then it's like the next day is like.

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The amount of truth in this book is undeniable it has answers I've looked for for a long time and could not find next day.

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I am undeniably ready to give my life to jesus it was like so fast you could tell he was like damn dude, there's some power here, and so I just I shot him a message and he just on instagram.

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I was like, I was like I'm shooting him a message, screw it.

00:21:16.090 --> 00:21:21.603
I was like I've been seeing your posts about uh, about going to church, wanted to reach out to you with encouragement.

00:21:21.603 --> 00:21:28.384
A few months back, after listening to your podcast for a while, I I asked that christ would come for you and reveal himself to you.

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I say this not from any position of claiming any credit, because it's Christ who calls us, but from a place of humility.

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I just wanted you to know that he has been at work in your life and people care about you.

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Just shot that over and he didn't respond, that's okay.

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That is okay.

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But on his next podcast that came out, he was just like addressed it.

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He was like you guys have no idea how many messages I received that you were praying for me to become a Christian.

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He was like I'm overwhelmed at the amount of people out there who are praying for me.

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He's like it's just incredible.

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So like yeah, and so, like I said, there's like no credit to me, but just like this, like Cool to be a part of it, cool to be a part of it, cool to be a part of it, and the power of prayer and like watching something unfold, watching people's minds open up and change and watching them really become tilled soil.

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That's like a big thing about.

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Like you know, some people do have like a road to Damascus.

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You know Scales fell from the skies, yeah, like a Paul the assault paul moment where they're converted, and then for lots of other guys it's like you're more like the.

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I don't know you're the, you're the peter guy, you know, and you're just like you got to be tilled up for a long time.

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You got to keep on getting uh, ground up and prepared for those things to be planted and then come out in you and so the yeah, sean ryan is just as I was excited about it and it was.

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It's been cool to watch him like, engage it and also like continue in it.

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Cause and we'll talk more about this later Cause I think that it's a celebrity type Christians and Sean Ryan probably doesn't even consider himself really like a celebrity, but in many ways, like he has, he does have a huge following, he is an influencer, he's like he's.

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Has he been top one yet on on podcast for apple or spotify?

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I think he's been, depending on your metrics.

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He's been up there.

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You know he's, I know he's like consistently number like three or number two at times I just don't know if he's like held that number one spot for any amount of time enough that, like a lot of people, tune in into that.

00:23:30.686 --> 00:23:32.830
Oh yeah, right, oh yeah, and so huge, huge for me.

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Um, yeah, the uh.

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So I just I think it's, I think it's cool to see happen, especially for people who, um it, gives the Testament to to Christ and who he is, and how people can change Cause.

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Being someone who, being someone who did, like grow up in the church, my testimony is like is just different in that you know it has its own story and its own value, but the story, like a lot of these people who we see start coming to Christ, they are able to identify with and engage with an audience that doesn't wouldn't necessarily want to hear from me, me about like I grew up listening to bible stories and I still think it's cool, right, like that sort of thing.

00:24:18.487 --> 00:24:30.861
So, um, we, uh, because you know some others, other people who started like kind of outwardly professing their faith, um, alan Richardson from Reacher, and I also think his first big role is Blue Mountain State.

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Yeah, which I don't know when he became a believer, because I don't think it was recently, but he's been doing the InstaChurch YouTube channel for a while.

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I think it's his way of being in church, I think it's his way of having fellowship with Christians, because he's mentioned on there several times like, due to acting, it's almost impossible for him to get into a church on Sundays, right, like a regular service.

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Right, because he's he's just filming, he's filming, and on set a lot and a lot of stuff right now.

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Yeah, and I think it was semi-recent in that, like at least grabbing hold of his faith greater because he did, uh, he's wrestled with suicide, he's a he's bipolar, diagnosed bipolar and so, and his faith is what he says, you know, like is the thing that does keep him grounded and holding on to things, um it.

00:25:23.564 --> 00:26:00.461
But then we have other people who are like tiptoeing around the faith and wondering about it and the like, jordan Peterson, I think you know, and I think that he has a lot of like Judeo-Christian values and because he has a wide, open mind, he can, or because of the way his mind thinks and works, it aligns well with, like a systematic theology, thinking and things like that, so he's able to like, understand it and see the value in it.

00:26:00.461 --> 00:26:05.842
But I don't know that he's come to a place of like grace and freedom I was gonna say.

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I think the issue is that is that jordan peterson, from what I understand of, just like his understanding of christianity, judaism, um and the world in the mind, I think I think he recognizes his depravity a lot and I don't think he's out of.

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He doesn't come off to me as someone who and you know, I mean I don't, I don't worship guy, I haven't consumed every single thing he said, right, but I have listened to a decent amount of his talks, I guess.

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Especially I listened to.

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I listened to way more of his early stuff that was just him in the classroom speaking and I've listened, listened to interviews, but he seems to me as someone who struggles with the can I be saved?

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Because I do understand my sin, you know what I mean and it seems like I think for him the hurdle might be more his ability to accept grace for the depravity of mankind than it is like.

00:27:02.190 --> 00:27:13.861
Oh, I just don't know if I can justify the logic behind it and I think too, like, of like Jesus being a good example and a good thing, but like being like did he rise from the grave?

00:27:13.861 --> 00:27:15.664
Yeah, I don't like.

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My, my like line of logic and my line of thinking would say no right or and and or.

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Something intellectuals struggle with would be like okay, um, the world, it's a big place, it's been around for a long time, so how can something that happened to a very small little subsect group of people, um, be like the thing that was the answer for all of mankind's needs?

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It's, it's the question I I think through myself too at times, but like so I think that's that can be a hang up as well for going for how people think through these things, and it's very easy to say christianity and it's like basic tenants is good, living, 10 commandments, whatever.

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But that's like.

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But like it is.

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But like Jesus didn't come to bring the 10 commandments, he came to like do something even even crazier, bigger and different than that and more radical and yet more freeing.

00:28:08.800 --> 00:28:21.549
And so it's like a it's taken that next step, Cause I think that, um, with a lot of like celebrity Christians too, they actually just fall under being good, good people.

00:28:21.750 --> 00:28:26.628
We're just interested, maybe never really changed the lifestyle.

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Yeah, I don't know.

00:28:27.653 --> 00:28:56.527
I also, like, I mean, you know, I'm one of those people who just doesn't put a whole ton of stock in it until I feel like I see like a legitimate transparent, transparent, like fruit, right, and I guess I just feel like, with you know, um, alan richson and, uh, sean ryan, I can see fruit, you know, and not saying that the bee Biebs or Shia LaBeouf ain't saved or something, or they're not legitimate.

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I'm just saying it's a lot harder at that level of celebrity to see fruit.

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And that's really how I judge from like a, from an individual person's level of like understanding, like where someone's faith is at, and if it comes off as genuine At the same time, it doesn't matter that much, right, like I mean, it doesn't matter that much to our own individual daily walk, right, right, because the uh and I, I agree that you know like we shouldn't put them on pedestals because, um, and these are some points that I will I was even going to get into more in a second because I want to talk about one more person first, which was really two people in particular, but Joe Rogan has been touted lately by Christian influencers as like is Joe Rogan following Jesus now?

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And I would say no, but I think a no, no, but if you.

00:29:51.993 --> 00:30:06.445
But, but I think I think a fair answer is could, joe wrote, if Joe Rogan 2024 talk to Joe Rogan 2019 about what they thought about faith and religion, they'd have two different answers.

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Oh, yeah, for sure.

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Um, because I think, similar to like Sean Ryan's interview guests opening his curiosity, I think that I think that uh Rogan had a lot of uh, he just have a lot of like, kind of your standard quips and comebacks for, like, why, like, Christianity is wrong, which it's very easy to do.

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It's you know, talking about institutionalized religion, stuff in the uh, stuff in the Catholic church, stuff in the Baptist church.

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You know these things of hypocrites and people and, like you know, it's it's it's very easy to tear down Christianity based upon it's.

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You know it's uh, it's institutions and it's downfalls of individuals who are not Jesus.

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They are people.

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So you know that's another conversation around.

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You know institutionalized religion but like in like Joe Rogan today, after like hanging out with I think he's hung out and interviewed a lot more people who he's found he respects, who have faith.

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Yeah.

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And so instead of, and so the people who have, and so instead of, and so the people who have have faith and he respects.

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He's able to now be like um, not just open, more open-minded to it.

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But I think it's, it's paradoxical or confusing for someone like him to say, okay, like, I want to be like that person more, or I really appreciate that person more, and like or there is, or even if I don't appreciate them, like I don't deny their logic.

00:31:30.865 --> 00:31:31.865
Right, and then to go.

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Is there validity to this thing?

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Because one thing you talk about for a long time is being all out there on aliens, extraterrestrial like other out there, things, bigger, wider universe things, yeah, which actually we've talked about this before lends itself to that opens yourself to a conversation about God, in my opinion.

00:31:46.269 --> 00:31:49.740
Oh yeah, that opens yourself to a conversation about God, in my opinion.

00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:51.740
Oh yeah.

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And so you know with him, I don't know where you know, I'd say I probably do know where he stands in some ways, as far as he doesn't hasn't outwardly like proclaim stuff, but I think it's interesting to watch his like progression.

00:32:06.413 --> 00:32:08.354
And wouldn't that be wild to follow someone day?

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He just is like guys I'm following.

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Jesus.

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I mean it'd be outside of like anything else.

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I'd just be happy for him, because I genuinely do think I agree with it.

00:32:21.332 --> 00:32:49.262
Like what you're saying is like he just seems like he's become a much more balanced and peaceful person, and I just remember he used to be very, um like vehement about religion as a whole and he just seems like, as time has gone on and as society has behaved it the way it has, he seems like he's realized like it'd probably be good if more people actually subscribe to a moral code that we all shared.

00:32:49.262 --> 00:32:49.805
You.

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He seems like he's following the path of the logical, philosophical path of benefits of religion versus who's right or who's wrong about X, Y, Z.

00:33:03.644 --> 00:33:04.508
You know what I mean.

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I don't know All I said.

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I'll keep praying for him when he becomes a believer.

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That doesn't change what you and I do, right that doesn't that shouldn't change what any of us do.

00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:20.248
We should just be cool, keep praying for him and keep sharing the gospel with other people.

00:33:20.248 --> 00:33:24.559
Right, definitely Russell Brand was the other one, though.

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Right, because he's like he's.

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He's look, boy looks hungry for the gospel he's.

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He's outwardly and openly been like.

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This is my thing now, like and like it, because I didn't know about that till last night when I this video popped up.

00:33:38.942 --> 00:33:48.269
He was talking about good friday and he just like I don't know why it gave me goosebumps, maybe because I feel like he was speaking truth and it was just interesting to see this guy.

00:33:48.269 --> 00:33:53.163
Um, you know, and he's had a this, the the arc of russell brandt has been quite the arc.

00:33:53.163 --> 00:33:53.464
You could.

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You could do a whole three-hour breakdown on like, from forgetting sarah marshall to now, or whatever you know, you know.

00:34:00.351 --> 00:34:22.570
Excellent movie probably, like I think I made that movie my wife's favorite rom-com, really yeah, that's hilarious and so, um, but you know, he just was like and also is because it's very easy for people to get up and just say, um, generally good things, like we're saying about Joe Rogan, jordan Peterson and I was talking about the 10 commandments.

00:34:22.570 --> 00:34:36.833
It's like, yes, it's very easy to just say, yeah, these are good things, good ways to live your life, like, and yeah, like people don't dispute those things, but the, the power of jesus and the power of and christianity lies in really a much deeper thing.

00:34:36.833 --> 00:34:57.755
And it looked to me like and like like the way russell brandt talks in that video was like he was in those next steps of like, uh, just going beyond that, like let's be good people, and he was like examining the heart of man and why christ came and for the deeper things, and so it's just interesting to me.

00:34:57.755 --> 00:34:59.581
And I was like man, I need to see more about this.

00:34:59.581 --> 00:35:02.550
I've watched a couple of videos he did and stuff and like we'll see.

00:35:02.550 --> 00:35:12.733
Like you know where that goes and I think he's very much kind of like, you know, I think like shia, who's, like he deals with a lot of, uh, just an eccentric person.

00:35:12.733 --> 00:35:19.586
You like have a lot of mood swings and ideology swings and things like that too, and so we'll see where all that goes.

00:35:21.659 --> 00:35:27.086
But I don't know, have you noticed that Christians are very quick to adopt somebody as a Christian?

00:35:27.086 --> 00:35:30.226
Oh yeah, oh yeah, just like they're like, oh, did you hear?

00:35:30.226 --> 00:35:31.110
Did you hear he's a Christian?

00:35:31.110 --> 00:35:38.166
Like as if that's proof in Christianity which is a proof for a case of God and Christ.

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If you know, kanye bro, yeah, yeah, like when he did, or like yeah, and I think too, when, like Shia LaBeouf came out and said something, or people put their put too much stock in in these, these, these people who profess their faith, because I've seen it with the most influential, powerful type people down to the most lowly, you know, kind of people in the world, where they they're all about it, they're high on life and that seed gets choked out in the rocks and in the things of life, and the birds come and eat that seed and it goes away and um, because really they're just little weak babies, and so I think about that for all these not insulting right like they're.

00:36:31.226 --> 00:36:34.831
That's as a new believer scripture says yes, thank you.

00:36:34.831 --> 00:36:51.876
They, they are like a baby, that they need milk and honey and they need you to, kind of like, gently help them understand the things that might be difficult to accept about christianity or something and, you know, uh, nurture them if you give, mentor them.

00:36:52.097 --> 00:36:58.697
Yeah, if you, if you give a two-month-old a rare piece of steak, like a $120 steak, they might choke on it.

00:36:58.697 --> 00:37:01.815
They might choke on it or it's going to upset their stomach, they're going to spit it out.

00:37:01.815 --> 00:37:04.751
It's not going to be good for them and then a bird will come and get them.

00:37:04.751 --> 00:37:13.577
Yeah, but you give, like you know, 50-year-old man that rare steak.

00:37:14.606 --> 00:37:15.469
Man, that is good.

00:37:15.469 --> 00:37:16.847
He might still like milk and honey.

00:37:17.289 --> 00:37:18.010
Yeah, he likes it too.

00:37:18.132 --> 00:37:25.409
But he likes the tough meat, but that steak, it hits the spot on there.

00:37:25.409 --> 00:37:35.612
So with the new baby celebrity Christians, I pray for them Because they're also going to be under attack more than others Just because they're in the limelight.

00:37:35.612 --> 00:37:46.373
I think both in the physical and in the supernatural they will be under an attack, because that's what you know the easiest thing is, you know, so such and such becomes christian.

00:37:46.373 --> 00:37:47.054
Oh, did you hear?

00:37:47.054 --> 00:37:57.150
This came out that now he had an affair or something, or embezzled money or whatever like, and it's so quick to like then now we can tear down their faith and like oh, oh see, that wasn't even real, he didn't even follow Jesus, he messed up.

00:37:57.329 --> 00:38:01.014
Well, I think that's just the thing too is like celebrities.

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They're the things that the Bible and, you know, christianity would label as sin, are often glorified, and it's once they become a Christian.

00:38:13.170 --> 00:38:19.070
All that is very visible, very clear, and everyone likes to bring it back up.

00:38:19.070 --> 00:38:36.260
Um, yes, scandals do come out and, like you know I'll say rightfully so like if someone, if a celebrity, becomes a christian and then a scam comes out that you know there's evidence and there's reason to believe, like, oh, they hurt someone, they should face those consequences.

00:38:36.260 --> 00:38:40.039
Like, just because you're a christian doesn't mean you don't face the consequences of your actions.

00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.909
Right, but it doesn't negate the validity of their faith.

00:38:42.909 --> 00:38:43.449
Exactly.

00:38:43.530 --> 00:38:53.509
And like I think that's one thing too that I see more clearly when a celebrity becomes a believer is that they get caught off guard because someone hasn't prepared them for the whole.

00:38:53.509 --> 00:38:55.954
The world will hate you, yeah.

00:38:55.954 --> 00:38:57.978
Like that's, that's a promise, dude.

00:38:57.978 --> 00:38:59.992
Like if you love Jesus, the world will.

00:38:59.992 --> 00:39:05.552
The world will hate you, yeah, and uh, you know, I think that's something that is way more clearly seen at that level.

00:39:05.552 --> 00:39:07.664
Right, I remember I here's a thing too.

00:39:07.684 --> 00:39:14.353
I'll just say it's like I still, until I hear it from Kanye himself, I still believe that man trusts in Jesus and I think he's mentally ill.

00:39:14.353 --> 00:39:24.552
I think he's mentally ill, I think he's mentally in need of help and I think that doesn't negate the fact that he trusts in Jesus.

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Right, but like the fact is is like I think I saw that very clearly with him when, like you know, his wife wanted to leave him afterwards and she's the one that got the divorce stuff and his record label, you know, was kind of like, oh dude, like this record's not selling and it's, you're talking, a lot about jesus on it, and he faced a lot of like backlash from fans and stuff and like I've never been a big kanye fan, I've never listened to a ton of his music, but I definitely feel like when he started wanting to do stuff and implement his faith his newfound faith and you know his livelihood.

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It was when I saw like dude, the world does not like that guy.

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Yep, yep, yep.

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And like the things he said in, like recent news would be like he's not necessarily a representative of Christ.

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Yeah.

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Which is why I say that's the mental illness Exactly.

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And his like shortcomings as a human and then to say, also like someone who maybe wants to progress, because I was thinking about the, talking about the how it's harder.

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And it's like the story of a rich young ruler in the Bible, you know, and this guy comes to Jesus and he's like I've done everything good, like I'm doing all the good stuff, and he names off all the 10 commandments.

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I've kept all these things, you know.

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And Jesus just tells him he's like, all right, that's good, now go sell everything and come follow me.

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And he's like I can't do that, yeah, and he walks away, sad, you know, I can't do that, yeah, and he walks away, sad, you know.

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And it's just this, you know, uh, very much.

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So celebrities fall into the rich young ruler category of like oh sure, you've got the world at your fingertips and you got to let the world go.

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Yeah, you know.

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And it's like that can be cause.

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Then, right after that, jesus goes on to say it it's harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than to stick the camel through the eye of a needle, right?

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So like he's saying, like it's very difficult for a, you know, someone who has has it all has everything to relinquish those things, and I think it's true.

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And so I do think we find celebrities, you know, and people in power who also they.

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They come on hot and strong and then they can.

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They can fall pretty hot and strong too in that same way.

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But all that to say, it's just interesting to watch these people.

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It's encouraging to see people do these things and to find faith, and then also it's like I am always in prayer for those folks because they're up in a battle.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yep, um, pivoting on some Judeo Christian world news, um, uh, but just some stuff that came out about Israel.

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You know we're we try to keep the new stuff like rather relevant to what we're talking about, and this will be quick, you know, cause we don't want to spend too much time on this and you know we have other stuff we want to discuss.

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But, yeah, so Israel today, like and I guess when you guys are hearing this it'll be about a week later but Israel is suspected of a missile strike against an Iranian embassy in Syria that took out seven Iranian, seven Iranian military uh officials, and three of them were like military commanders.

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One of them was a top general overseeing the weapon shipments from Tehran into Syria to arm Hezbollah.

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And, uh, a lot of people are worried this is going to escalate beyond proxy war between Israel and Iran to like natural retaliatory stuff.

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But, um, yeah, we'll see.

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We'll see what happens and falls out from that.

00:43:02.032 --> 00:43:04.652
But Israel declined on uh, saying that.

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You know this was them.

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Yeah.

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But they did say we did stop, uh, an Iranian's weapon shipment effort to the West bank on Monday, which is like, oh, I don't know, we To the West.

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Bank on Monday which is like I don't know.

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We declined to comment on that missile strike, but we did stop a guy trying to get weapons into Hezbollah yeah what?

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But anyways, if you're interested in that, there's a lot of news pieces at that.

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The videos that I've mainly watched are coming out of Reuters, for the Israel bombs Iran embassy in Syria, killing commanders if you all want to look it up and listen to the news yourself.

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They did say, you know, iran's ambassador in the area did say, like Iran it's, they're gonna retaliate and it'll be swift and it'll be harsh, which you know is to be expected.

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I mean, that's what any nation does.

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If another nation takes out their one of their top generals, right, like you got to retaliate to not look weak, or at least say you're going to yeah, or at least say you're going to, and then have put the bomb in someone else's hands um, hot potato it, but uh.

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