The Mick and Pat Show: Manifestation Mysteries and McCarthy's Masterpieces
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Picture yourself caught in a torrential downpour, unprepared and stranded in the Rocky Mountains. Quite an adventure, right? We kick off this episode sharing our own wild encounter with flooded streets, emphasizing the value of preparedness, especially when you're traveling or heading into potentially volatile weather zones. Then, we transition into a discussion on manifestation and the impact of our environment on our behavior. Buckle up as we take a philosophical trip, hitting some personal anecdotes on the way.
Ever wondered about the practical applications of the 45 ACP DRT Terminal Shock Ammo? Well, we've got you covered. We shed light on this unique ammo, its potential uses for home defense and security, and the possible effects it could have on the nervous system of an aggressor. From there, we transition beautifully into the captivating world of literature and film. Get ready to dissect the impact of Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian. The vivid imagery, the lack of punctuation, the morally ambiguous characters - all coming together to create unforgettable masterpieces.
Finally, we wrap up this eclectic episode by exploring the complex themes in McCarthy's works and their connection to our everyday lives. From the gruesome scenes that hold us captive to the powerful villains who can sway even the most moral characters, we delve into the heart of these narratives. As we conclude, we encourage you to venture into new experiences, expressing our deep appreciation for your continual support. So grab a cuppa, sit back, and join us for an episode that's sure to provoke thought, inspire, and entertain.
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Is this the? Is this the white bat? Always dude, yeah always, Always man. New bat.
Speaker 2:It's a new bat. Three days ago, new Batman. Well, I think I listened to this when it came out, though the day it came out, I think I turned it on and just was jammed into it working to it. Well, pat, long day for you today, it was.
Speaker 1:I started off the day in hot, sunny Cancun, Mexico, and then ended here near the Rocky Mountains in a torrential downpour of flooded streets.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty crazy right now. It was a legit journey to get here, mm. Hmm, I mean points. There are points where my car was going through easily two feet of water in those lower intersections and we got to say it made quite the commercial case for owning a forerunner.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, something off the ground.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw a lot of cars really struggling to get through there. So when a biggo goes to one of these intersections and it was a crazy bro, like the water was just shooting, probably like I don't know, 10 feet up in the air, mm, hmm, you know, just the weight and displacement, that thing hitting the puddle, yeah, it's pretty crazy. I don't think I've ever seen this much rain and all the years I've been living here. No, the only we're supposed to get another four days of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only time rains been this crazy would be like when there's been actual flooding from the river, but not a. I haven't seen it come that fast. Just from everything's dry to it was a matter of like 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think like I want to be surprised if we have like actual pretty legit flooding you know, just because I don't think there's much in the way of precautions around here for it, because it's so rare. Mm, hmm. Dude, that's just like it's absolutely nuts how much water there is out there right now.
Speaker 1:I mean a lot.
Speaker 2:I think you should take a ride down West Side. It's totally out of the way. We see how to like to go home, you know, but like literally, mulberry and the intersections along it are underwater. It's crazy, dude, like it's absolutely. I saw someone crossing, you know, crossing the street at an intersection. I watched them step off the sidewalk and water like up there past their thigh. It like you just don't realize how deep those intersections go down when you're when it's a dry, you know, but now there it's like holy smokes. Like this is crazy.
Speaker 1:It was a lot of rain it having fast the there was rapids in the roads. I was thinking about getting out the canal. Straight up could like wake surf and some of those oh yeah, it's like a big, so you could. You could get behind a truck on it. The small cars are struggling. The taillights were a little bit underwater.
Speaker 2:For sure. So taillights go underwater at one point.
Speaker 1:I saw one car like go for it and then stop in the middle.
Speaker 2:Oh, which is not what you want to do, it's because you panic when you hear that scraping on the underside of your car.
Speaker 1:Like a lot of people are like.
Speaker 2:What is that? And you're used to it, thinking like I'm bottoming out, we really. That's just the sound of water running against your car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a free undercarriage. Clean out. Yeah, the tool, see, I bet, I bet it'll be all be gone on our way home. You think so?
Speaker 2:I think there's still, I don't think I've trained that.
Speaker 1:I think those will be big puddles and stuff, but not like. Not like how it was.
Speaker 2:I think the drain systems here are kind of overwhelmed. I think, they're already full of garbage and trash and like debris, you know what could really be better?
Speaker 1:now, some of the retaining ponds, those things get clogged and then they just keep filling up. Then you get some, get some deep water out there.
Speaker 2:I'm excited to see what it looks like at the end of the week, with just how much rain we're supposed to get this week, like it was already like something like four inches tonight. That's crazy dude. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Four inches in like two hours. I didn't know it was supposed to rain. I was.
Speaker 2:I wasn't checking up on the weather, I just flew back in and amateur move right into amateur move, I know, you know, once, once I got over the age of 24, I think I checked the weather every single time I knew I was going somewhere. I've always, like, just loaded the location up in the app, just seeing what's going on there, and I check it like as soon as I get on the plane and as soon as I disembark.
Speaker 1:It's a wise thing to do. You should probably just do it even every morning as part of your routine.
Speaker 2:You know I used to, but I don't do it as much because my wife does it. Good old Billie Jean just will wake up and tell me what's going on. That's going to be sunny today.
Speaker 1:Because I basically, as a single unit, I have maybe extreme overconfidence in my ability to get through most any situation of short of like full hurricane or earthquake. I'm like me and my truck, we're going to do just fine. But then I won. I'm overestimating myself because you could just drive into some horrible situation that you weren't looking out for, or two. Maybe you're not in your truck Now. You're in a minivan with two year olds and a wife and maybe some grandparents in there and there's a big old storm rolling in coming off. You know, like we were a couple weeks ago. We were in Texas. Those storms out there get serious fast, oh yeah, like Pekos, bill, rope and tornadoes.
Speaker 2:People just don't get that. I think a lot of people unless you live in Texas. I think a lot of people just think Texas is just like humid but also dry, and then everyone forgets it's like it's along the coast you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And then out in the plains areas, it's just like there are actual like mountain like there's. They're not mountains like I'd see in Colorado, but there's, this does, and it's little, it's hilly and little bit mountainous and there's, yeah, big old tornadoes ripping across the plains. And so, no, yeah, you might find yourself not just all by yourself, might find yourself responsible for more individuals than just you.
Speaker 2:Speaking of which? Speaking of said individuals? Long time listeners will know that you and I have had a conversation of how we'd like our wives to get along. How we'd like our wives to become friends and we want to be natural, not just a. They become friends because you know we force them to hang out when we hang out, right, and you know it was pretty cool because Mace Windu what Mace Windu do, she tech, she talked to you first and then get your Billy Jean's number from you. I think so, yeah, I think they first ran into each other at the gym pool hangout and we were at Hot Mom's Club. Well, no, it wasn't Hot Mom's Club. Oh, it was a different day, because my wife's not a mom, that's true, and she works during Hot Mom's Club time.
Speaker 1:Makes sense.
Speaker 2:No, it was last weekend or the weekend before, when we went shooting and you and I had our shooting days and our wives both just so happened to find each other at the gym pool side and got to chitter-chatting, which is just cool, because they didn't we didn't even plan it, they didn't plan it, but you and I were spending the whole day together and they were spending the whole day together. So that was nice, that was neat. And then they decided to hang out on Monday nights when we record, and now they're watching the Bachelorette together. Yeah, and that's just that's just how it happens, man and Mission Accomplished, bro. Yeah, it just shows that you know. I think this podcast has real power.
Speaker 1:I genuinely think we can manifest some steam Bringing people together.
Speaker 2:I just think, like if we just start saying like it'd be cool if we were a millionaires.
Speaker 1:We will become millionaires, Like if my nipples look less like pepperonis things like that there is no technology to fix that.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I'm like Go to like plastic surgeons and be like. Best I can do is take them off, Just zero nipples.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, hey, the there's. It's interesting the like there's lots of guys who really believe in like manifesting.
Speaker 2:Like we're talking manifesting of, just like positive thinking and I will eventually feel different about this scenario or manifesting as in like we're talking about what's the dude who is in Maryland? Not Maryland Manson, what's the name? Something.
Speaker 1:Manson. Charles Manson yeah.
Speaker 2:Charles Manson believes he's in paradise and he's never spent a day in jail and then like people like, say, like when you test him for emotional and brain wave lengths, he's actually like incredibly, it's got just the same amounts of like dope, yeah, I mean I, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:Which one of those do you mean? I think everything in between like there's like, because you know there's some people who are just like I'm just going to have positive thoughts and that's going to affect my day. Or there's other people who are like almost treat like a time in the morning, what some like, how some people might treat like sitting in prayer or quiet time in the morning, also being like manifesting their future, like thinking about, like, like I would really like by the, by this time next year, I'd like to have that promotion, or I'd like to be making this much money, or I'd like to have this thing, or I'd like to be in this certain place in life, or whatever, and the or just like what people talk about, like speaking things out into the universe, and I think there is not I wonder how much of it. I think that there is a piece of if you, if you just start focusing on something and that becomes your focus, you make it happen, or like you notice, like, instead of that day when the opportunity comes up, you'd say, if you just passing it by, you're like oh, this isn't a coincidence, this is because I was really thinking about it, and now I'm going to seize the opportunity. Like that was my chance to get that promotion. So you like, it does make a difference, but I don't know if, if just saying it makes it happen. But it's interesting because I do think that there is, there's something about it. There's, there's, there's a certain amount of the practice that I think is valuable, but then I think it quickly falls short.
Speaker 2:Well, I think I think it has to do with your grasp on reality and your expectations from doing stuff like that. Like, you know the difference between like David Goggins and how he manifest like mind over mind over emotion, mind over basic instinct, which really like is not anything new. Like, and that's honestly what I think a lot of you know traditional, even like Eastern approach to manifestation is like people are like, oh, like. This guy manifested energy for himself and didn't eat for days and it's like, no, I mean manifested the ability to discipline his brain to the point where he could turn off hunger. His body still consumed calories. Right, you know what I mean. Like his, but he stayed still. And he, he manifested the ability to lower his own stress in, you know, his bodily functions to the point where you didn't have to pee poo or eat or drink for for a long time. You, know, like that's not unbelievable to me. Like, bro, I've manifested I don't know how Right, I don't know like whether it was through just excitement or just like pure, like a maybe busyness, I don't know how, but like I have a very strong habit I can't say habit, my behavior, my behavior when I'm in a new place, like when I'm traveling, especially like when I'm really sure not my back traveling. You know, like when I went to Norway, for went to Norway for over a month once you don't poop for seven days. Yeah, you know this right, I've told you this right. You know what? I mean, I have additional theories, but finish yours, bro dude, I didn't poop for like over a week, yeah, and it was like I was drinking coffee and eating raisins and I was trying to tell my body it's okay, it's okay to do this, like we're in a safe place, we have the time, we have the means for it. And, dude, I remember by that, like the final time I did, like not the final time but by the time I was able to drop a deuce, it came out like like a fucking glass bottle, sorry.
Speaker 1:I am trying to get better at cursing.
Speaker 2:But it really did like it was you know, the most digested no nutrients left. Like this thing is ready to return. This is ready to return to the earth as soil.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Yeah, I think that happens to us too. If you have a, I think your body, when you travel to, goes in this kind of you don't even whether you know it or not or whether you intentionally do it into this mode of knowing that you are not home or safe anymore and it's in it's in retain nutrients mode.
Speaker 2:And it's in the. It's in the. Don't get caught with your pants down and eaten by a lion. Exactly you know, what I mean. It's like very old internal.
Speaker 1:K-man primitive like saber tooth come I squat and I don't know what I'm gonna eat again. And next time I poop I might die.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm glad that you knew immediately what I was talking about. I didn't know if I had already told you that or if like you just related, I do relate. Yeah, okay, cool. I've had people tell me it's really weird and I've been like dude, I have to like literally mental like change my body's like chemistry to understand. Like it's okay, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I think a lot of that too is like you can manifest, of course, your attitude towards something like I remember at a very young age because of my femur injury, the way I dealt with like physical therapy and stuff and breaking my femur and all that. Like I just told myself that like pain is a good thing and not like a. I love pain, I live off of, I need it to feel alive, not anything like that right, but just literally like a coping mechanism of like this is good, because if it hurts it's getting better, like the muscle is healing and you know like the muscles are having to be broken down so it can heal and be stronger. And if I want to walk again, like there has to be pain and like this needs to be a good thing, otherwise I'm going to like be miserable throughout the whole process and I'm going to be it's going to really affect me and so, like I do remember that having a like that's really changed my outlook on like pain and like just even like hard circumstances, like I think I view hard circumstances far more differently than most people I don't like especially like just like between like my wife and I, like it manifests very clearly of like the way she reacts to you know things that seem overwhelming versus I mean I'm pretty duckish, you know what I mean. Like I'm pretty much just water off of ducks back. You know, like, if I can, if I can flat my wings and get away from it to a better situation, I can. But if it's one of those things like a duck can't out flying a storm, then it's like, well, just let it run off your back, dude, sit it out. You know, do what you can and make the most out of it, and that's really like. I don't know like I've been, I've been given a lot of crap from my mother and my grandparents about my lack of worry, my lack of anxiety. But like my mother, it's chief among them of being frustrated at me because things work out in spite of anxiety. You know Like she hates that I could just sit around and be like it's gonna be okay, like I've, and like root of all this is I just have faith in God. That like I'm not gonna say, like these trials and these pains and these things that are horrible or God's will, I don't say anything, I don't assign anything to God's, will I simply say, like dude, like I just trust that God's got me. What's the worst case scenario? I'm dead. Yeah, okay, I have faith I'll be in heaven. Like I don't it's really pretty easy for me to just let that be the subscription and just like things be evaluated through that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Even short of it, like that extreme outcome, just being like in reserve to being content, you know, like because you it's not like, for example, oh my gosh, I think I'm gonna lose my job. You know lots people could just, you know, let that spin them out so much and you should be kind of like, yeah, in generally a little bit proactive. Maybe you should kind of start looking or know what your next option is, or see how much you saved, but like also, at the same time, the if you have that faith in God and then being content with your circumstances, you just you don't have to add stress or worry to your, to your life. I kind of have the little orphan Annie approach. What's that? The sun will come out tomorrow, oh yeah, which is a, you know that's definitely like.
Speaker 2:I think I could definitely see how that would frustrate people around you.
Speaker 1:Like a worrier or panic, like don't deal well, deer in the headlights, kind of stuff they express their like their problems to me, and I just start singing from a musical the sun will come out tomorrow. They're just like are you even listening to me? No, actually the but that's rooted more in would be. It's rooted in scripture from Christ just saying you know, today has enough worry of its own. You know, don't, don't add these anxieties to yourself, because that's where really it comes from. But I do sometimes think about little orphan Annie. Yeah, but the, I think with the manifesting, where what the root of it actually is is focus and discipline. Then then bring like focus and discipline. Then brings the outcomes you were looking for.
Speaker 2:I agree. I also do think, though, that, like, the brain is powerful enough to induce insanity. I legitimately believe that if I focused hard enough, I could induce my own insanity and just live in La La Land forever.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Think about like. I know some people think like. Like if I know there's people I could say that to and they'd be like you are full of crap, like what are you smoking? I'd be like I don't know, man, maybe I just feel like I've almost gone close. Yeah, you know like I've gone close enough where I scared myself with, like, how my thoughts felt very detached from real circumstances and I thought like wait a second, I don't know if that's healthy, and I've had to in, like I've, you know, looked for advice or guidance and kind of like walked back on you know, certain thoughts or trains of thoughts because I felt like they got too close to the precipice and like I legit can see how someone like Charles Manson or really anyone, I'm thinking of Howard Hughes.
Speaker 1:You've seen like the end of Aviator with Leonardo DiCaprio. You know, it's like that, where you're just like that obsession brought extreme success, just like, in Manson's own ways, like his obsessions brought success to his mission, but ultimately then like, well, there was no health or a scalter, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but the like he was, he's the these obsessive types, you know, you could look at both sides of the scale one who, like, like, propelled American industrialism. Another one who, like, started a cult in a super, like bad dude, you know. But like those these levels of obsession that you can have, which could also be masked with focus and discipline, could drive you into like, yeah, just a psychotic state for sure.
Speaker 2:Definitely. That said, too, I did want to kind of just touch on like I do think it's important to, though, if you find yourself as someone who is able, like you're starting to find out that, like you're able to review like uncomfortable or painful circumstances or experiences with positive mindset and attitude, you don't find yourself like self victimizing or allowing others to victimize you in that like I think that was a big one, as, like people were like, oh, that was awful. I was like, no, really wasn't. I actually feel like I grew a ton, you know, or something like that. Like, if you find those things occurring, you might be someone who is approaching and viewing these things differently and therefore you need to be aware of how you then tell others how to deal with it, because now everyone can do it and, like the like, a really big thing I feel like I learned in college was, you know, I lived very, I will say, like honest and intimate in regards to like knowledge of one another lives with my like close friends and roommates. Like I knew all their problems, I knew the things, I kept them up at night and worried them. You know all that stuff and I realized no people who can't think that way, or haven't learned to think that way, or don't want to learn to think that way, will not respond well to you being like what do this not a big deal, man, it's gonna be okay dude. Like if this is not a big deal, it's gonna be fine tomorrow. And like I've pretty much learned just to keep my mouth closed if someone's like having a breakdown about something, until they're like what do I do, right? I'm like all right. Like if you want to know what to do, like let's make a plan of action here and let's break it down. You know bite-sized pieces so we can, you know, eat the elephant one bite at a time. But until they ask for that, if they're just venting and like just honestly, cyclically, just going around in circles about how stressed they are and how they feel like their lives over, mm-hmm. I was back. It is a tough thing, man. I could see how this is stressful and overwhelming, and I'll ask questions of like, well, what do you, what do you think you can do today about it, or what is there anything to do today, or is this something that might just require rest and patience? What do you, what are your thoughts? And like I'll just have to do that until they say, like, what do I do? and then I'll be like all right, let's try to perspective this you know and realize this is not a big deal and you're gonna get through it in your life is not over, like you're gonna look back. You're probably not even gonna remember this in six months. Yeah, like, literally, that was honestly. That was actually something shout out to know in the whale. This is a song from them mm-hmm I can't remember what it was, what's called, but no one. The whales a band, and they had this song that's pretty much essentially just talking about a breakup and how miserable they are without this person in their lives now and they're just husk like emptiness as they walk through life and they're hooking up with random women and like it just seems so depressing. You're like, damn this, this is like some of the most oppressive chords and thoughts I've ever heard mm-hmm and almost like borderline. Like it is definitely a song where, like the, the point of view is requesting death, right, but then it changes into an upbeat strum pattern, mm-hmm, of different chords and it just continues to repeat the same thing over and over and it says in all, in a year I'm gonna be hmm, it just keeps on going like that over and over and dude, I like heard that song and I was like, honestly, I can't even remember the things I was stressed out a year ago about right and I just would like. Anytime I started getting stressed or for it like, nervous about something that dude, I'm not even gonna remember this in a year and I started telling myself that, probably to some laziness in college, I started to be like I'm not even gonna remember this exam in a year, like like I like, there's no reason to stress or worry about this exam.
Speaker 1:You're professor like F I don't even care about this in here this is not gonna affect the rest of my life.
Speaker 2:Like nowhere am I gonna be down the road like gosh. That one F my that. Like one 18% really fucked me like I should have done better. Like you know, I mean you get all 18% yeah then, but that's different, that's. That's also not the same kind of approach to problems. You know, I mean that's just it's called the stranger, the stranger by knowing the whale and it's sorry. It says you know, in a year it's gonna be better. You know in a year I'm gonna be happy, dude it like oh yeah, the lights right before that gosh so freaking dark. It's really actually short song. There's not many lines. The lines before they're like because everything I love is gone away. Oh, because everything I love is gone away. It is just like damn, it is like no perspective, dude, like it's gonna be better in a year anyways. All that said, if you're that kind of person like you know myself or something, where you're finding yourself you having those thoughts and perspective, do not to your best buddies or your girlfriend or wife or whatever, start trying to tell them like oh this isn't a big deal, it's gonna be okay, because that doesn't work. That makes them feel minimized, that makes them feel like talk down to let them come to that on their own through you asking good questions, and if they ask for advice, then give it, but if they don't ask for advice, don't give it. That's also a big thing I learned in college. I just don't give advice unless someone explicitly, explicitly ask and I will literally like there's been nights where I've sat down with people and they've just talked the whole night and it's almost like they got both, like they wanted me to say something and they like the silence was awkward, and I literally just tell them myself, like don't say anything unless they ask mm-hmm like that and I have friendships. Mm-hmm, we talked about it you know just recently a friend who's never asked me any question or any advice and, like all our friendship, is just listening to him, mm-hmm, like essentially be upset and stressed out about stuff for top or postulate right, and it's just like dude, if they want your advice, they'll ask yep, you know what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1:no, that's true, because I think, in regards to perspective, less than I got a long time ago. But my dad is talking about looking at a painting. And you're just standing there and you're like you've heard about this painting for your whole life and it's like the greatest painting ever. And you're standing in the art museum and you're standing there and you're like this painting is trash, it's just like brown. And then someone comes behind you and grabs your shoulders and you had your nose pushed against the painting because, like those like the, the, the closest you could experience this painting was a stick your nose right up to it. It's just brown, it's trash, you know right. And they walk you back a few steps and it's Lincoln crossing the Potomac exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, some incredible thing like that. And so, yeah, you know, just like perspective matters, you know, and so, yeah, just like you know, oh, now you get this view, oh wow, no, that's actually incredible. That one little brown spec that looked like kaka mm-hmm you know that is. That could be the situation you're in right now. That's like the, the mural of your whole life, that as the thing that's gonna paint your whole existence, and so the you have to be good again. Perspective. You have to know how to detach in order to engage a problem, and with that, though, I think you can also like you were saying how we have to approach, how we give advice you can also become someone who is too detached and has too much perspective of the big picture. In a moment that needs, sometimes you do have to get kind of detailed. You got to get your nose in it and you got to take care of this small little detail, and so the I feel like I get trapped more on that side of things, sometimes like. If there's a way I lean, it's definitely towards the like, detached and like 30,000 foot view perspective. You know just and like, and it could eventually be something where you know that detail still sometimes does need to be dealt with, even more so than just lending it to like, because eventually you get just like a cleasy astical where you're like detached, all the way to where you're like. Your life is but a fart in the wind. So it doesn't, it doesn't even matter or whatever that sort of thing without a, and so I can lean all the way over to that side, but I do feel like a lot of people forget that part of the cleasy.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's that. I feel like it's more towards the end, but it's essentially like yes, and everything I said is true, like life is pointless and everything you will do will amount to nothing because there is nothing new under the sun. However, do enjoy life with friends, do make time for loved ones you know and take pleasure in knowing you are created by God. Right, but at the same time like be realistic here and like I feel like everyone always skips, like the, though, like they're short, they're like only maybe like five, maybe five to 10 verses in that whole book that are like kind of bring it back around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like perspective, right, exactly. And so, yeah, the perspective is important and I think it's actually for the most part, what I see in people is an ability to have perspective in a situation, and that just brings a lot of anxiety and then a lot of emotional decision making in those moments in their lives, and then that just brings more chaos. Yeah.
Speaker 2:For real dude.
Speaker 1:Hmm, the uh, that's, that's that. Okay, moving on, that's that you know, but the uh.
Speaker 2:Well, I, I have way other, different things to talk about. That are way more pleasant Good we got. We're going to we can speed round through quite a bit of this because a lot of it doesn't require too much conversation. But, um, hey, greg, uh, pull that video up and I'm going to show it to and uh, thank you, man. This is, I guess, going to be kind of, you know, for our audience, who, you know, is just auditory rather than visual. Um, we're going to have to let our audience react purely to uh Pat's reaction to this footage here. So I found this stuff that is uh, frangible, lightweight, uh ammo, and it's usually like 50% lighter than the standard grains and it's designed to, um, essentially just powder rise when it hits Like hard surfaces, so like concrete, steel, wood, whatever it also powder rises insanely and creates a stupid weird channel and tissue and it's known for being like a pretty decent, like self-defense round, but it's almost like I've watched the songs like that's inhumane. Yeah, so I told Craig to bookmark it so we could watch it here tonight. But um so this is the 45 ACP DRT terminal shock ammo. And uh, this guy GY6 vids. I think he's out of Colorado. I know he's a Christian as well. Check him out on YouTube. He does a lot of great slow motion stuff. He's pretty underrated, but um he he like shoots it at gel. And then he shoots it at uh like folded pork ribs over in front of the gel. It makes it through the ribs, fine, um, and still does this nutso powdering in in the gel. So I've got to lean in here so Pat can see on on the compi, all right, so I think this is a yeah. So the first round is hollow point, just standard hollow point. Oh, no, no, no, that's the frangible. There you go. Yeah, you see the fricking dust from it. Yeah, it's insane, bro. It just powderizes like copper and metal jacket into a powder in your body. That is horrible. There's no getting that out, dude. No, like that's it. Like, if that's in your lungs, if you live through that, you're going to be, you're going to be breathing with a machine for the rest of your life. Yeah, that is that's wild. Look at the way it. Look at the way it exploded. Dude, that's not even like it's not pedaled or anything. It just turns to fricking dust in you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like a, like an organism moving throughout, like, yeah, like breaking apart and weaving throughout your, your insides.
Speaker 2:I'm going to skip ahead here so you can see how he how it happens when he shoots it through two ribs.
Speaker 1:Cause he's put pork ribs on the ballistic Joe and like some denim in front of those.
Speaker 2:You see like it's pretty much still the same amount of penetration and shock wave. Yeah Cause, it's just dust, bro, and there's shock waves, and that's because it's moving about almost like a third faster than standard, like 45, it's like moving as fast as a nine mil. But the size of a 45 and it's just bonkers the way this stuff tears up tissue. So I started looking into it. I found a couple websites that are selling stuff this and similar for tangible rounds and I'm just gonna try it out, I'm gonna see how it shoots. See it like I got a phone, some stuff with it, a discount on like a Midway USA. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna just Take a look at it, shoot it at the range, see how my groupings are, see how it feeds on my firearms Mm-hmm and dude. If it works, I'm gonna just gonna go with it, bro, because you know, you know what that would probably feel like on the nervous system, like imagine the way your nerves were to respond to that kind of hot Hope they were a new laden metal.
Speaker 1:It would oh, I mean, I know like insane shock and the and people might be asking why would you first say this is the most inhumane round you've ever seen and then say that's what you want to carry? There's actually a dick, then. One of the biggest concerns people have who carry weapons is shooting bullets into things and or mostly people who Don't deserve it. Yeah, and so the the thing about this, this round, is it?
Speaker 2:the term often uses over penetration Exactly goes through bad guy in a, you know, maybe it goes through his chest, but let's say I hit him in the leg or the upper arm, it goes through that, you know, only six inches of Bicep tricep bone and then it flies into, you know, granny Smith right, or even In a chest in a chest cavity, certain spots would pass through even potentially even easier, you know.
Speaker 1:And so the Certain applications, like if you're doing Security, where there's lots of people around, or home defense, where the other people around you or people you care about, you don't want to miss around on the perp and have it go through the drywall into your kids bedroom exactly.
Speaker 2:And so this thing I wonder have you seen any Videos of it being shot at like drywall as well, and like there was there's some good ones out there of it like essentially the way it reacts to like plywood, metal stuff like that. Keep in mind there's two types of frangible Mm-hmm. There's one that's called frangible and it's really not, it's weird. It's a frangible defensive round that is powder compressed and it doesn't break apart after its treatment, but they put different like a Grooves in it so it slows down when it comes into contact with tissue, hmm, and it essentially works as a hollow point without expansion, hmm, and so it's actually pretty easy like dig out Mm-hmm if it goes into someone, but the cavity is essentially the same as a hollow point and it doesn't over penetrate, like, but it's kind of weird, it's. It's usually a cheaper option to manufacture as well. Then, like all the different pedals on hollow points, but those ones I've seen go through like drywall and wood, but like, not like Very much. You know they tumble quite a bit because of how many grooves are in them and stuff Mm-hmm. And Then the powder stuff I've seen just blow apart, hitting two by fours Mm-hmm. Oh, um, you know, depending on the like, if you got soft wood mm-hmm, it's gonna go through it right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, drywall, I'd probably still pass through. Yeah, it's drywall but the it's not gonna go through a person and then through drywall, then through another drywall, and then Probably not gonna go through your furniture.
Speaker 2:It's probably not gonna go through drywall. A you know, stud, and another sheet of drywall right. But it just it was insane to me, and seeing that I'm also of the mindset of look If I can fire that 45, that one round and the amount of pain that causes Mm-hmm is not lethal but just insanely insufferable pain, yeah, makes them Want to put all their focus into stopping the pain rather than shooting at me and other people. Threats neutralized I can go up, make sure whatever weapon they're doing or however they're posing a threat is removed, mm-hmm and secure them. And when law enforcement arrives, you know, hands and knees, set my gun down. Mm-hmm, right, I? I Just dude, I saw that I was like have I have felt Like pieces of firework Shrattinal in my skin, mm-hmm, and that's just in my skin and it's just like light, you know dirt, wood, debris and that burnt like I felt like I was gonna poked with Satan's. You know poker, mm-hmm, and I can only imagine what you know, granulated sugar, sized copper jacket and 1350 feet per second feels like when it explodes right in your thigh or your butt or your Stomachs, right, and so to me I see that as like that's pretty good likelihood candidate of like less shots to Seriously incapacitate someone to make them stop, you know, being a threat. Mm-hmm. That's true. What? Do you?
Speaker 1:think, yeah, I think that I think that that's it's a good solution for over penetration. I do wonder if it's a good solution for stopping a threat.
Speaker 2:We should find out. This is right.
Speaker 1:You should try to hurt me, yeah, yeah the, because people talk about, I mean guys leave an argue between, just like, shoot in nineville versus 45. Is somebody like I never shoot nine mil someone because you shoot them 48 times we're gonna ever drop down dead, you know, whatever. But there is something to be said about, like If it shuts the lights off or not, and so the which from that the ballistics gel looked like the, the trauma that would come just from the I'm losing my word for it the Cavity it creates around it. Bullets. It's the high, not hydra hydrostatic shock. Yeah, no, that is what it is. Yeah, you know, but basically so a bullet, you know, really it. The main damage it causes is through its, through its hydrostatic shock, which is a big shockwave coming around the bullet as it's passing through. And so If this bullet still does that with but also won't over penetrate, seems like it's a good option and from the bullets it show, looks like it does Do a lot of disruption.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's also one of those things like this is not something that's gonna lend itself. I feel like taunting. You know what I mean. I cannot imagine wanting to deal with that kind of spread inside. You just have to cut out whatever meat it touched.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that you know. I mean no, no for hunting application.
Speaker 2:I don't think that would be where you can use yourself to fence ammo, like you can honestly use your hollow point two, two, three, three oh eights To bring down big, big game as well. You know, like a hollow point two, two, three is gonna pretty much do the same thing to it, to a antelope or a coyote that it does to a person Mm-hmm, three oh eight hollow point is gonna do the same thing to Bear dear that it does to a person?
Speaker 1:Yeah, just the different big differences. It doesn't really typically doesn't matter where that bullets headed afterwards, it's usually hitting into dirt, yeah, you know, mm-hmm. Or maybe, worst-case scenario, another antelope, yeah, or elk which, hey, you got to make good shots and not do that. But it's not the same thing. It's taken a life.
Speaker 2:So yeah, exactly Any hoose Bro. This has been kind of in the media recently. A lorry Valo de bell. Do you know who she is?
Speaker 1:I just saw that and I was that was disturbed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro, sense to multiple life senses for killing her children and what is described as a Zombie like trance, her children Piley Ryan, joshua Jackson, jj Valo, hmm, already, I'm wondering the quality of this mother before the murder charges, because her children have two last names. Hmm.
Speaker 1:Hmm, Lots of people are hyphenating these days, you know yeah, but also like to sounds like two baby daddies.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see what you mean they had been burned, mutilated, dismembered and buried like animals. Yes, but you said, these things were happier, you're bringing that well, I mean, she just got sentenced to multiple life sentences. Okay, prosecutors say that Valo de bell was motivated by arcane religious beliefs about dark energy and end times, as well as by her desire to pursue a life With Chad de bell, which included a conspiring to kill his now deceased wife. Yeah, what was? She says that her children and Tammy de bell visit her. I don't know if she was a part of the murder of Tammy or not, because I don't know if she was.
Speaker 1:Was this Tammy person murdered also?
Speaker 2:Maybe I don't know, I'm just checking it out and it's absolutely agree, just what she did and I'm happy that she's being punished for it and Just sad that you know, just like we were talking about recently. I think it was on a podcast before this or something. But all Children deserve parents. Not all parents deserve to have children. This is clear, clear example that zombie beliefs arose during the trial. Valo de bell's close friend, melanie Gibb, described hearing her say that Tiley had become a zombie, a Concept Valo de bell had picked up from Chad de bell. Gibb said she heard Valo de bell called Tiley a zombie after Tiley had refused to babysit JJ, to which Tiley replied Not me, mom. According to a police affidavit affidavit Gibb said Valo de bell later concluded that JJ had also become a zombie. Hmm, the moment a mother starts referring to her children, to her children, as zombies is they're the zombies, they, they're, they died like that's like shit like. And that's when I start that's when I start like not leaving the house right and like and, like all of your children, out there are zombies because they watch tick-tock and yeah, she don't around but she's she's meaning it in a different you know Weird since yeah and then she literally means it, like she probably thinks her children died and rose from the grave.
Speaker 1:It's. It's some weird. There was some weird stuff that she had. She was definitely a mentally disturbed, mentally ill person pretty crazy.
Speaker 2:I'll maybe I'll look in more into that and then we'll have like a full murder Episode, because that's, that's some. That is like not the usual. You know what I mean, that's not common?
Speaker 1:No, because and in the article it talked about the other lady, the husband's first wife or other wife. It kept saying she Plotted to kill her. But then also whenever first or that one, it just says that she, like, was deceased or passed away. So it's like Really planning to kill her and she just died. Yeah, or did they kill this lady too and they couldn't prove it? Mm-hmm, I don't know Speaking of which. And Chad what's happening to Chad? Because he sounds like he was a part of this. It's like he's dead.
Speaker 2:I wonder if he's dead too. I don't know, but it's not talking about him being in court or charge for anything. So I wonder if he's. I wonder if he didn't survive a standoff or something you know, I mean. Or if he's on the lamb. Yeah, but speaking of evil, hmm, I Just read blood meridian. I Listen to an unhauntable Mm-hmm. Do you know what blood meridian is? My brother, my brother in Christ, do you share the good word of blood meridian with you?
Speaker 1:I've heard the title a lot. You're gonna have to Spark my memory. I have not read it or listened to it.
Speaker 2:What's your opinion of the movie no country for old men?
Speaker 1:It's good movie. Yeah, did the same author. Yep. Oh, or make me car to make McCarthy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is definitely as Magnum opus. This is definitely like the best work you ever wrote, for sure. It is absolutely insane. I Think it really Attacks the human mind of justification and ethos and such, whereas, like, anytime you read or listen to a book or you're watching a movie, you want to believe that the main character or the protagonist is, somehow there's something. You try to find something to latch on to because you know you're on this journey for a while. Like you know Very actively how much of the book is left. You can very clearly see how much of the book on audible is left to be read off, right, mm-hmm. So I think it's rationalization of like, your mind of like, if I'm gonna be in this journey, mm-hmm, I'm gonna read the next 300, 600, a thousand pages. If I'm gonna listen to the next 20 hours, whatever, I need to find something I can attribute and like, find within the person and relate to and and you know, hold on to through the journey, mm-hmm, whether that is a trait that is undesirable, that I too have left behind and I hope the protagonist leaves it behind or a Ethos or mantra, philosophy that a protagonist has, mm-hmm, that I can latch on to and identify with and hope that it plays out true as well in this fiction or, you know, in the story, and I Don't think real people, I don't think a good Like, I'm not even saying like, just like Christians, I just think like people who are generally described as good, decent human beings Will be able to find anything that they can latch on to, even with the protagonist. There is such so. So there are so few moments of perhaps, from a certain perspective, good standing, moral, ethical choices mm-hmm that you actively know when you're reviewing them in your mind, you are simply desperate for justification. Mm-hmm, in spite of what the book has told you the whole time that, like everyone here is Evil, everyone here is bad and this is a story of evil people doing evil things and ultimately a Trying to spoil it here. Ultimately, I'm seeing how evil Doesn't let them go and is kind of like almost manifest beyond them. Mm-hmm, that said it's. That's not the reason to even read or listen to the book. I think if you're gonna be an audible person, the reason to listen to it is the insanely descriptive, vivid imagery Excuse me and the narration that manages to have distinct voices and Poor trails of all these different characters that are encountered. Mm-hmm, the book itself is known as like one of the most difficult books to ever like read and try to tackle, because Corbin McCarthy in this book doesn't use any punctuation other than periods, really, and there were like sentences that are like Whole pages. So include, like dialogue is there?
Speaker 1:dialogue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's tons of dialogue, huh, but it's all just periods, wow, and it's kind of, when you think about, maybe, the context of, like, a very uneducated person writing it down, mm-hmm, being a historian, then maybe it would make sense, you know, cuz like it's a very bleak World, but essentially it takes place after the Spanish American War, but prior to the Civil War, I believe. Mm-hmm, and Holy smokes, man, is it? Just like? It is unrelentingly brutal, but I, it's. You can't not look at it, mm-hmm, you know it's, it's, it's a Cattle truck, it's a cattle semi truck on the highway, with the back doors open and the cattle are walking out and all you can do is just say, oh god, it, just dodge them and just continue to like, eyes wide open, fixated it, like everything. Every decent review of that situation should be like stop, break, pull off, exit, just wait. But what we all do is watch, get close to it, mm-hmm, maybe want to even get too close and get in the thrill of maybe excellent getting hit by the accident, the damage, right, mm-hmm, you know, holy fuck, is this not?
Speaker 1:that way too like it is insane, bro.
Speaker 2:Like the, the vividness of the imagery is Unflinching and, like you, honestly kind of feel it's like this. I mean, honestly, I got the same feeling listening to some of this stuff narrated. I didn't read the book, I listened to it. Right, some of the things I heard narrated. I had the same feeling of when I watched a guy get his head cut off on live leak, you know, or brutal car accident or something like that wasn't good, that I didn't need to hear, that, I didn't need to see that there's nothing good about me watching this, because this isn't even like being portrayed as like a learn from this, don't wear where your seatbelt, you know. I mean, it's just like this is second wrong and I, no one, should be watching this. Like this is just giving glory to horror of violence or something like that. Right, and A lot of the times of the book you're able as a reader and like Cormac McCarthy wants you or allows you to be, like this is fucked up. I'm like you could tell Cormac is like, yeah, good, obvious, right, yeah, but then sometimes it's just so inflingingly brutal that you're like, oh, oh, my god, oh, that's, those are just words on a page, but somehow that hit me way different and I, I have, I have, I object, I object to it all. I don't want this to happen. I don't want it to occur, I can't stop it. It's written, it's done like it's a book and I'm like I'm reminded of one point where it's just like this group that the they're essentially a group of outlaws that find themselves being hired by different Institutions, whether government or military or renegade or whatever, and a lot of the time it's hired to like scalp Indians and then turn the scalps in, they straight up in attack. They attack a camp of over a thousand people, men, women and children, and it's only like 30 of them maybe. That attack and they attack at night and they're so violent and brutal that they, they essentially get away with it and they scalp and kill and burn Thousand like over a thousand people, and whoever survived and tries to get away, they just Shoot down in slaughter in the river and let the water carry them away and there's like a scene where someone Can't remember who it is. But they come out of it a teepee with people. They come out of it a teepee with just two Indian toddlers, one on, like holding the legs of one in each hand and they Describes how they bash the heads against the rocks. Mm-hmm, it's some you're like that's an old testament brutality. Why would they do that? Why would? Why was that necessary? If I mean their babies, well, it is in the middle of the Mexico desert and those babies would just have starved and been eaten by coyotes, right, okay, but it's still awful the idea of this. Like what, what is happening, what is occurring? And like your brain just is constantly going through hoops of trying to understand and comprehend and wrap its mind around evil. And the main conflict, I would say, is between two. You know the protagonist and the clear antagonists. Probably Not entirely clear in the beginning, but becomes very clear by the time you're midway through the novel. I was like this guy is evil, mm-hmm, but holy shit, he's a silver tongue devil. And he, he's so well educated and McCormick McCarthy is very well educated himself. Like for his final two books that he wrote, he educated himself pretty heavily on quantum Mechanics and, essentially, nuclear fission. Hmm. Just so you can write a book that vaguely Dances around the premises of that Mm-hmm. And so he really, like in this book you could tell he's like a very well educated, fill, philosophical guy, mm-hmm, and his, his whole point is to make you Start to agree with the villain, even though you know he's the villain, mm-hmm. And it's very simp, like, similar to like how the whole gang sees this guy as like a bad man. Damn him to hell, mm-hmm. But the whole gang follows everything he says, they let him lead and they fall every word he says, even if it means their death. And it's like, how can they do that when, like, we see them over time and over again Be like this man's evil, yet his words lead them away. Excuse me and like, even as a as the reader, I have to say like this, many times he's talking, I'm like I don't disagree with that part. Wow, that's awful. I wish I disagreed with everything he said. Mm-hmm. It reminds me too. I had this very, this very liberal left leaning roommate my freshman year of college. You know it was weird because we got along very well. We're we're really good friends on paper, I would say. He maybe thought of himself libertarian. He was an atheist, mm-hmm, and we disagreed on just about almost everything other than just like what it means to be a decent human and treat people kindly, which is was the root of our friendship. Right, all right, but he was. He came back to the dorm one day, was joking with me. He's like he saw that mine comp was like in our college library on display, not glorified, but just like in the historical section, mm-hmm, he's like huh. I Kind of want to just pick it up to try to understand how people got wrapped up in this shit. Mm-hmm. And he picked it up and he said he got like 20 pages in and just put it back down. He was very uncomfortable with how much he was like moved by the premises of Hitler's political radicalization, right, mm-hmm, and how he was like I Could see how that guy swept people off their feet, even though we all know he's he's objectively an evil man, mm-hmm. The man knew how to say things that people agreed with right, and so that's a lot of kind of like the, the tension in this book, because it will have straight up like just 3045 minutes of dialogue. Hmm, that is just philosophical in its essence, mm-hmm, but it's pretty gripping, um, and I guess I don't know. It's just really odd. Feel free to like ask any questions or anything like that, because I just finished it. It's a very long book. I think it was like 30 hours. Oh, wow, 31 hours. But it was great, it was worth it. It's worth your one credit from audible. You're like you won credit a month. It's like the. You know you get three books essentially for the price of one, mm-hmm. The.
Speaker 1:I Know that the way he writes books, um, and he deals in very dark Um, like even the Usually even the medium on which he's writing, like the setting that he writes the books, is already in a dark place and the characters are, have some Uh, some of his other characters and other books have, um, they do, ever deeming qualities. But he does like to play with the these stories where it's just Um, bad people and evil situations and kind of like the lesser of two evil type things, and then it makes the readers align with, it, forces you to still align with evil, yeah, which is like which is weird, because you do that in this book too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean I can that book where it's just like you definitely align with someone who is like less evil but still like objectively evil.
Speaker 1:And the. I need to read it and.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't try to read it.
Speaker 1:You know need to listen to it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Listening to it is like listening to like stage performance by like one person. It's very well done, very powerful and I can't help. But just I don't know. I mean, it's very moving when you listen to it. It's such powerful prose and imagery here you just listen to like how the fuck did this guy come up with this? Right. The way he describes, like I'm going to, I'm going to the preacher, former preacher in the gang, he's an ex preacher. He describes to the protagonist how he came to fully believe in the uniqueness of their leader, the judge, and how the judge is one of the most perplexing beasts to ever walk God's earth. Hmm, he describes a story that is literally them being chased by Indians. They run out of gunpowder. The Indians are on their heels. The judge disappears. They find him at a river's edge. A volcano is in the distance and the judge has been just laughing and walking naked and has like only like a bag that he's like tending to, and in this bag there's like dripping liquid coming out of it and by the time they reach the volcano, he's just continued to pack intent to this and it's continued to tell them where they go up. They go up the side of the volcano as it's erupting, lava running down, bisecting behind them to cut off the Indians and the judge pretty much brings them into like a cave on the side of the volcano because he knows there's going to be sodium and like different kind of like caustic minerals and metals in the base of this volcano and they start scraping it off. And then he pulls out his bag and sets it out and it's just this brown paste kind of, and he tells everyone to piss on it and then they do. And then he says, mix the rocks and minerals in it. And he essentially just used his own poop, piss and minerals to make black powder and then let tells them to all. Like it dries literally in the sun and on the heat of the volcano, as the Indians are, you know the command sheer chasing up behind them. And he's essentially looking and he's like he could see this cloud come in into, block the sun out, and he's like pretty much you could tell everyone's like if that cloud blocks the sun, this won't dry and they'll get to us and we'll die. And it's just like the tension of all this moment. And then it dries, they load up their guns and they, they gun down every single one of this war party and you listen to it and I hear myself describing it. I'm like that sounds silly, that sounds like out of a fantasy book, that sounds like you just described, the fellowship of the ring being chased by orcs. And they had guns and Gandalf was saying we ran out of gunpowder so I'm going to take a shit and hopefully it dries in time that we can shoot more orcs. But when you listen to it, bro, it's like it is so intoxicating and you are so moved up in it and you realize damn, if I was any one of these men, I would be moved and swept up by the judge as well. You know what I mean, especially during this day and age. That said, I would say at the core premise of the book, over and over and over and over again, it's pretty much stated like the world demands these men exist, these violent evil men, demands they exist for the purpose of war. And when war becomes unholy and dishonorable and we want to step away from war, there is nowhere for these men to go other than back into society and they become the most wicked evil parts of society in which they are trying to make money and ends meet. But then, when war rises again, it becomes honorable and we make heroes out of these men for being able to be evil and unleashed in a battlefield. And it's a cycle and it's, I would say, a lot of what McCarthy hints to through the book is like the cyclical nature of wherever they go. They are desired at first, they're paid handsomely, and then they overstay their welcome because war is done there, whatever they've achieved, and then they're despised and they need to leave and they continue to move through the country of Southern America, southern United States, northern Mexico, and you just see it happen over and over again and it really does end with the metaphor of, like war is never going to die and evil men will never die, because war will always exist and we will always have people who are willing to pay for evil men to do war until they finish it, and then they're not needed anymore until the next war. And so it's, and it's very, it's a huge critique that offers no solutions to like an issue of mankind, right, and it's very powerful, at least in my opinion, like I walked away from it thinking like, damn am I? Am I a part of that cycle? Can I be, can I seek peace without being weak, and can I seek to not be an evil man who is involved in war, no matter how evil? Because we see, you know, a ton of shades of evil in the book. And can I be not evil but also not weak, not a victim? Because you also see a lot of weak victims refusing to be evil, refusing to partake in war, and they get insanely brutal deaths. You know what I mean, and it's just so hard to be like. Well, I don't want to be evil, but I don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 1:Right, the, I want to read it. You know, just see what to wonder. You know, when he sat down to write that book, what was the intent? Or was it just a story in his head? You know, obviously I think it was more than just a story in his head and there was a purpose behind his intent of telling that story and I think it part of what it sounds like it mostly does is also it makes the reader, it forces the reader to look at, look into the face of evil and then self analyze from that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I did a lot of self-analysation while listening to this book, especially like I listen to audiobooks when I shower. There was a lot of times where I was just looking at myself in the mirror shaving and I was just like this is a lot, who am I? Also, though, at the end of the book I read, I've gone to a point where, like I've decided, I see what he's saying, I thought about a lot, I reject it and I view things more through the lens of this next books. I've started, which I haven't finished, but it's the next book I want to talk about in the next podcast or whatever I decided. I'm gonna read Lonesome Duff. All right, it is a definite commentary on the state of mankind, the variations amongst men and the gravity amongst them and how they endure it but also endorse it, and it demonstrates how we can see one man fall from grace. Other men never rise exactly to grace. As far as I understand from the book so far, it doesn't seem like it's always gonna be a situation. Well, it can't always be. The guy gets the girl, because I know so far from the book and I'm only like a quarter of the way in there's four guys who like the girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like not all these guys. Get in the girl here right and have you seen the? Have you seen them?
Speaker 2:I've only watched the first 90 minutes because I'm only watching it as I read it, and I stop it if I see something I didn't see. I will say, though, there's a lot of shit that I saw in the movie and read in the book and I was like there's no way that's real. And I looked it up and bro the scene where the cattle get shocked by lightning and they're like the herds call it lightning. Yeah, I was like what in God's name is this God awful TV CGI going on right now? And why are the cattle's horns are glowing blue and lightning shocking through them? What is going on? And I did not think that was a real thing. Look it up, dude. In Norway they found a herd of reindeer all killed by what they believed was a single bolt of lightning, and it killed 232 reindeer Just dropped it, it's shocked, yeah, which is crazy. That is crazy. And I'll say I'll save all that fun fact stuff for the next time when we go over it, because I know we're going along. But I just I was like, hmm, that was a very dark Western and I love Westerns and that was brutal. Blood Meridian is insane and it's really made me reconsider how I view mankind and just the nature of man. And then I was like so my buddy was like, yeah, I couldn't even finish Blood Meridian and I'm happy I didn't because I know the ending. And I was like yeah, and he was like you ever read one some dove, and I was like no man. He's like, oh, you should read that as like a pallet cleanser, for sure.
Speaker 1:And I was like all right, dude, sounds good. I was thinking the other day. I was thinking we should like every few weeks we should be the making Pat book club. Yeah, I love that book club is such a good thing. Yeah, big book guy now, yeah, is he. You know, we listen to it, we break it down, we devote an episode to that book and then we can give thoughts on it. Maybe let people know beforehand so they can listen up. And I feel like, especially because of audio books, now you people can crush, crush them quicker, you know, oh yeah whereas before it'd be like it's going to take me weeks to like read a little bit of time.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely at like a solid 40 hours a month and listening to audio books right now. Oh, wow. Which, when you think about it like listening to it when you drive, when you go to bed, when you're in the shower, when you're working out or something like it's not that much. You know that's very doable. But anyways, I would love to do that. I think, too, like it's cool because, like you know, we can kind of discuss to like not just the content of the book but as well as like the narrator, give credit to them and stuff, and like how they bring characters to life, or if we liked or disliked how they did something. Because I've definitely found that there are books I really enjoyed and then I listened to them on audio books and was like, well, I can't do it, the narrator makes or breaks it.
Speaker 1:Oh, 100%, it's a whole nother audio book is like a whole nother Media Way to consume it. I think that's the all right. I got to start listening to the old Lonesome Dove Well first blood meridian.
Speaker 2:All right, so we can at least do a full like spoiler, you know? Breakdown of it.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'll, maybe I'll, maybe I'll kick it off with Lonesome Dove. Catch up to you and then then we'll blood meridian it.
Speaker 2:All right, sounds good to me.
Speaker 1:I'll listen to both at the same time and I'll just be so. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2:You'll just constantly be like judging Jake Spoon and Gus and Cal for their depravity, because you know that you're in the hearts of man.
Speaker 1:The judge has revealed it to you, I'll just be in a constant state of feeling emasculated that I don't own a horse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no kidding. Dude, I'll tell you what I've never spent any time looking at black powder revolvers.
Speaker 1:I've spent a lot of time looking at black powder revolvers in the last month. They're pretty cool. Yeah, they're fun to shoot.
Speaker 2:Alrighty. Well, hey, we have gone over an hour and a half and I just kind of want to say things start getting out there. I appreciate listening. I hope you enjoyed it. As you know, this is kind of a hodgepodge episode again, but not as focused, but we hope you always enjoy our content and find it enjoyable, find it interesting and hopefully it spurs you on to consider new things, whether it is looking into new ammo or a new book or maybe even a new podcast, I don't know Whatever Right. So we appreciate you, Ken. Thanks for listening. Pat, you got anything else Until next?
Speaker 1:time.