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I Think your nail pain is so brutal Now, as bad as toe pain. It is dude.
Mick:No, toe pains worse than no.
Pat:I'm saying it, I'm agreeing. Oh yeah, I'm about to put, okay, I'm about to put something on the table For you to look at.
Mick:Now I won't look at it, dude, did you go to do Neil stuff?
Pat:You just have to acknowledge if you put that on the table I put my toe on the table, dude hey.
Mick:I'm gonna put my toe on the table and you're not gonna look at your bro. All right, you want to do this?
Pat:I'm trying to not curse much and you're making me curse. Okay, look at this pinky toe dude, I Did a number on it. That's nothing. I know it's nothing, but it's you can.
Mick:That's painful put your foot down, put the mic next to your mouth so you, so people capture your response to my toe. All right, all right, so I've had to do some. Is your to gone? I've had to do some corrective surgery of my Really Dude like my toe got like scraped on something when I was in Virginia, like the toenail, and so like I Try to fix it and I Fuck this up.
Pat:So bad was the corrective surgery. Your own is what you're saying.
Mick:Yeah, the corrective surgery was me putting a wash rag in my mouth and grabbing my Leatherman and ripping parts of the toenail off.
Pat:Yeah, I did that last night.
Mick:Yeah, not like this, don't watch. Were you ready for this dude?
Pat:I'm ready for which toe is it my big toe, my big left. I was showing you the pinky. You're getting out the big boy. Oh, oh yeah, oh, it's got craters. Oh, it looks like that thing from Goonies.
Mick:It's not good. It like it doesn't hurt. Here's the thing it doesn't hurt even like remotely as much as like an in-ground toenail. Like have you ever had like an in-ground big toenail.
Pat:No, I think.
Mick:I think it's been discussed on the cast before yeah, no, I mean, there's just times like you stub that thing and you think, like, like the, the heat of pain going off in your brain. Yeah, you're like I could shoot myself if I had a gun. I would like. That's how bad it hurts. And like when you take your shoe off and there's just like Dried blood and you know, puss on your sock. You got to throw your socks away. It's horrible.
Pat:That's rough dude. That's what I'm saying. Just nail paint in general, it's just so no pain is harsh, it's just rowdy.
Mick:It doesn't make sense, because nails are made out of the same stuff as hair. Hair pain hurts, like you know. Pulling out my facial hair, like like one beard follicle, hurts a lot, mm-hmm, but it's so over quickly, mm-hmm.
Pat:Doesn't make sense for nails to hurt that bad, it's just got to be the nerves they give you. Also our, our superior dexterity. To what, to the rest of the of the of you know?
Mick:and the monkeys. Yeah, you know, monkeys are way more dexterous than us, bro.
Pat:Yeah, well, whatever it is the, I guess it's all. We got the opposed things without nails the uh, but I'm maybe I'm off base.
Mick:What I'm saying is tell me, tell me a primate that is less dexterous than us, and I will call me less dexterous.
Pat:Yeah, I think we're more dexterous than all of them. What? Because we can build stuff with our hands that they can't that's intelligence, not dexterity. Dexterity is like Agility in, like reaction time, mmm-hmm maybe I'm flexibility, or Acrobatics mm-hmm, I'd say they're stronger, but I don't know if they can, bro. I don't know if they can stick a. You know, I'm about to go fishing all Joe Rogan on your fishing line through the eye of a hook.
Mick:No, but that is. I think you could train a monkey to do that for sure.
Pat:Mm-hmm.
Mick:The difference is a monkey doesn't put fishing line through a hook, because a monkey does a triple backflip like speed builder on some vines mm-hmm, and propels itself 43, 40 feet through the air and catches another tree limb in the whole time. Georgia, the jungles playing Right like when's the last time you flew 40 feet ever? Right, I can't do that.
Pat:But the I'm let alone on something. How about fine motor?
Mick:skills, fine motor skills, sure, that's an aspect of dexterity. I'm just saying like, when I think dexterous, I think like acrobatics, balance, and I just don't think we are remotely as dexterous as you know, chimpanzees or you know.
Pat:They're tree top primates. I think I have maybe I have a narrow definition of the word dexterous.
Mick:Maybe you're just picking one aspect of that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Maybe that's a light of hand.
Pat:That's what I'm saying. Maybe I. My personal understanding of dexterity is is narrow.
Mick:Well, that's okay, I won't judge you for it but, I, Definitely think monkeys are faster and stronger than all of us. I agree with that, I Agree with that, and I think they have better balance. This is true. Okay, and then I says I succeed any other points? But anyways, yeah, nails are gross, nails are really gross. And with that I just learned of Awful fact. Really some woman had an allergic reaction to steroids and she went bald, but then, instead of her hair coming back, her genetics got f'd up and she just started growing fingernails on her head.
Pat:No dude. That is the end of times I wanted to throw up when I still want to throw up bro. Can you imagine?
Mick:smooth.
Pat:I know, dude, I'm not looking at picture of, is it is it is. Here's my question Is her head now a nail, or is it? Have no one nail?
Mick:I think it was like multiple dude, like small nail size, big nail size. Like Just imagine that, bro, I'm gonna make myself throw up dude. Oh my gosh, bro. I can't get it out of my head ever since I heard that fact. It's like one of those things are like what an awful day to have eyes like it for me. I was just like I wish I couldn't read. I wish I could unread that.
Pat:Yeah, there's some people who shop at places like hot topic, who would pay top dollar To have that, to have nails going out of their head.
Mick:You'd like? You know my gosh dude like you.
Pat:Just every morning you hear like, and it's just that, that sound of you know when your, when your spouse is, this is gross me out, bro.
Mick:This is what gross me out. When I read that fact I went, I almost threw up in bed that night. Like I literally had to get sit up in bed and drink water, but like I felt my nasty ass shattered, you know, held together with glue and tape, toenail Snag on the sheets.
Pat:Oh, that's the way that.
Mick:I just thought about how that woman's head fucking snags on her pillow.
Pat:I was like. Imagine putting on us a knit sweater.
Mick:Getting like a core workout from like try to fight the urge.
Pat:God, that is that poor woman.
Mick:That is horrible, don't do Roy's guys, don't juice. You know, there's like a juicing epidemic right now, where like Sure tic-tac essentially is just full of a bunch of people doing rides and saying like it's all, like it's not that bad guys.
Pat:Everyone's like okay, like the the quote-unquote Moral dilemma on it, I would just be around like well, I'm not an athlete, so it's fine like I'm not, you know.
Mick:I'm, that's the biggest thing. Like people are competing in there, just like yeah, just do Roy's look good guys, I just don't get it.
Pat:Yeah, and it'll tone you up, but dang, it'll mess you up. Give you finger nail head. Oh dude, can you? Got to get your, got to get your girlfriend to come pick the lint out of your hair. Your nail hair is brutal. I.
Mick:Have a headache now from just like the pressure going to my brain trying not to puke. All right, do you like to watch farrier videos? I don't know what that is. Can we just talk about something else, please? I have other things I want to discuss. This is transitional in the way is it? I don't want, is it? I don't want to talk about pimple dr, pimple pop no, no, no.
Pat:This farrier is a Guy who takes care of horses, hooves.
Mick:Oh, I've watched a couple. I don't watch the ones where it's like infected. Yeah, I don't watch the one way, I don't like those either zine liquid. Those are, those are gross when it's like there's a lot of dirt, yeah, this have. Yeah, we're going clean it out and they just clip, clip these nails. I'm like yeah, that horse that horse.
Pat:He's happy. Yep, I, whenever I see those videos, like just the simple ones, so it's like I think I should just go be a farrier. And then I see the oozy ones. I'm like I should not be a farrier.
Mick:You know I do that. Um, I Actually I used to Dispise horses. Recently. Horses were really overrated when they were dumb animals and we should just eat them, and then I just thought they were mean, you know, and like it was. I think it was mostly because when I was in high school, I read a story about how, like this horse, straight up, just like basically Killed its owner no, didn't kill its owner it like Essentially paralyze this woman because it started humping her and like Just, it's like body weight crushed her hips and like she was in a wheelchair for the rest of her life, mm-hmm, and it was like just a normal, like she was just going to like ride horses somewhere and this horse Just got out of control and I was just like that is an awful creature. We should kill all the animals that can kill us when they try to have sex with us. Like we should just exterminate those like a doxened.
Pat:You don't have to kill that, you can just like stop that, yeah, you just dolphins.
Mick:They drowned you. When they're trying to rape you all in?
Pat:rape caves and Preves rape caves. There's dolphin rape caves with their prehensile penis Caves. Dolphin dolphin rape like they take you to a cave and they rape you with their prehensile penis. It's like a monkey tail. This is the legend.
Mick:Why would anyone go to the cave if they?
Pat:know the dolphin? No, they take you down there. Oh my gosh, this is, this is fake news.
Mick:Oh it's that was a legend in our middle school. No, okay, but the dolphins have tried to rape people.
Pat:They do like to they also rape other dolphins a lot. They like to connect.
Mick:They're highly sociable creatures, yeah anyways, I used to hate horses. And then these two horses that I named Bert and Ernie, yeah, when I was in college they were near the apartment I lived at, yeah, and I would walk to them and just rip grass and feed them while I was like drunk and we were roommates. We weren't always drunk, but a lot of times it was after we like hit the town up and had just gone home and we were smoking some cigars and we were like, let's go feed Bert and Arnie. Those horses were so nice, bro, and they always came over. They were old too, like they had that deep sag in the back, oh yeah.
Pat:You could tell they were ridden hard.
Mick:And they were just so nice and they were kind of assholes, like they were kind of like they were real big head bouncers, you know, like they really bounced their head around and it was definitely just because they wanted more food and they didn't really care about you penning them. But I was just like maybe I'm wrong about horses, maybe the horses are kind of cool. And then I saw hairy horses in Iceland. Long haired horses are even cooler. They're pretty cool looking. They're just tiny, but then they let their hair grow out. They didn't really let their, you know, it's like generational adaption, but I thought they looked pretty sick. Anyways, all that said, hoof stuff, horse stuff, neil stuff. Moving on, we got an announcement for you, man. I meant to tell you this last week but I forgot. I've decided that I'm only going to have beer here at the show.
Pat:All right.
Mick:Purely because I did the math, mm hmm, he did the math. I wasn't, I haven't been getting drunk or anything, mm hmm, but I've been having about two to three beers four to five days, like four to five nights a week. Right, and that's often because, like I do, the show here have some beers Tuesday nights, have some beers with a good friend of mine, thursday nights, have beers with a good friend of mine, different friend, and Fridays, or Dungeons and Dragons have some beers, mm hmm, saturday have some beers, just Saturdays. And dude, I just did the math and I was like, holy smokes, if I'm drinking, not the big heavy hitter, high calorie beers, mm hmm, it's still 4,000 extra calories a week. Yeah, and I'm just like, just, it'd probably be easier to slim up if I just cut that out first and then could like, maintain my very lazy workout schedule.
Pat:It's like eating a loaf of bread on the couch every night.
Mick:Yeah, exactly, and so I Not that it really affects anything that we do, but I was just like I just decided. I was like you know what, I'm just going to cut it out and, on that note, had a really good trial run of it. Where this last Saturday is talking about this on bruise reviews my good buddy from out of town. Who he's? He's the boyfriend of my sister-in-law. They go to, they go to college together but hopefully, you know, hopefully they'll get married. We're all big fans of him and he was in town first time in our neck of the woods. He's always wanting to come and visit and check it out and I I devised a top 10 brewery tour and I invited my actual brother-in-law, so my, my wife's brother, and then my buddy who I hang out with on Thursdays and get beers with, and I told him hey, I'll be, I'll be designated driver, but we're going to do the top 10 tour and to finish the tour you have to drink a pint at each place and we have to like hit all 10 before they close. Holy smokes, holy smokes. Here's some heads up. If you guys want to do the tour I knew Belgium, we can. If you want to do a flight somewhere to sample their beers, we can. But just know the difference between, like, reaching brewery number seven and being on your seventh pint Is really different than brewery number seven and being on your 12th, 14th pint. Right, I mean like if you start off, you got to pace yourself and it was great man, I was there, dd, for the day. I told him I was like we could do the tour in New Belgium if you guys want, and they're like, yeah, let's do it. And I was like these freaking amateurs, they're never going to make it Start off at New Belgium, yeah, so we, we didn't. We started off at Odell's, went to New Belgium for a tour, free tour, and started at like one PM. So like by three PM we were on our way to Snowbank. That was our, that was our stop number three and at Snowbank they were all on essentially like roughly beer number four, beer beer three and a half, right, you know from all the free samples you get on the new Belgium tour. And then, after Snowbank, you can guess where we went to. I'll let you kind of guess is before we hit each stop, but we went in a very like doable order. The idea was that I could share this with people and they could bike it, but you know, if they wanted to, instead of like having a DD from there.
Pat:Time of a horse and dragon is horse and dragon was next.
Mick:Yeah, that's what I would go to. Went to horse and dragon, and that was when I first started noticing slow down.
Pat:Yeah, you know, I mean like we hit horse and dragon.
Mick:It's like four PM and I'm starting to notice these guys are like feeling they're, you know they're feeling the weight at this point. I want to want to take their time a little bit more and they're not, as like, willing to just slam the beer and move on to the next place. Mm, hmm, after horse and dragon, you guess where we want.
Pat:Mm, hmm, there's so many freaking breweries.
Mick:Think of the good ones, the big, the top 10. I know if you could pick 10 of the best.
Pat:From there I would head Over towards Old Town. Nope, Where'd you go from there? Funk works OK, still going a little like Southeast.
Mick:Mm hmm, funk works is what really Turned everything on its head. I just kind of put a little bug in their ears. I was like you know there's a lot of fun. You know you might not know what you want, just get a flight, get a lot a little bit. Mm hmm, I didn't know this, but Funk works flights are like eight ounces, oh no, like each beer is eight ounces. You know, it's like half a pint. And so Two of the guys are pretty much out of the limit at that point. One dude was helping them finish their flights off. And then from there we went over to Jessup Farms. Jessup Farms is really cool Because Jessup Farms is kind of a recovery spot and Jessup Farms has this beer that is like a half wheat beer and then it's half lemonade and carbonated and it's only a three percenter but it tastes like a very Like carbonated Sweet but stills got kind of like the Hefeweizen weedy flavor to it. Mm hmm, I just had a sip of this and it was pretty good. But then they kind of recovered there with that as a pint, mm hmm. And from there we went to rally King. Rally King on a. It's like Midtown going south, mm hmm. And then after rally King. After rally King we had our first like dude tap out, just like I can't make him. Yeah, I can't do it. I'll do, I'll do taste just from here, but I can't make it. But after rally King we hit up pros. Then after pros, the new pros, the new pros location. It's pretty good. They had a really nice pizza Chuck there was delicious. And after pros we went to Maxline. After Maxline we ended in the night at Zvi. Ok, nice yeah, and then that was kind of close to like the house, that a lot like the other two guys are staying at, so drop them off there. But it was a good trip. It was weird, bro. I definitely got like a Second hand intoxicated. Yeah, just by spending all day with people drinking a lot and like their antics and like behavior, kind of exhausting you and trying to like herd them around. By the end of the day I was so exhausted and I hadn't had like other I had maybe had one ounce of beer to drink, just from like doing a little sip of tasting stuff, but I had stopped and grabbed beer from a bunch of different places where I was and just had a little bit of some samplers at home that night and watched reservoir dogs. But it was a good time. And now I want to recommend to anyone who you know comes to our neck of the woods to try out the top 10, because Top 10 breweries, mm hmm, given it done in one day on a Saturday, yeah, playing at each. I don't think really many people are going to be able to do that. It sounds like a. We had a lot of people who were going to be drinking beer.
Pat:It sounds like a weekend event.
Mick:No, it doesn't count it doesn't count if you don't get them in one day. You got to get them all in one day. I had even a couple of Mulligans in there in case, like one was closed. Mm, hmm, I had a backup brewery to go to in case, like you, because you never know, sometimes they're close for holidays or events. Um, but yeah, anyways, it was. It was cool. I made rules for it, you want. The rules are essentially you got to drink a pint at least at each spot. You can drink more than that if you want, but it doesn't count if you don't drink a pint at each spot. Mm, hmm. And you can puke before you reach rally king without being disqualified because you puke and rally. But after rally king, if you puke, you're out and you're disqualified.
Pat:Hmm.
Mick:So, um, but anyways, it was a fun time. Everyone had fun. It was cool to see them experience some really good craft beer. Um, and I really, you know, I had a really good time without having to Having anything to drink.
Pat:Mm, hmm.
Mick:Um, and I'm really looking forward to kind of just come back and literally losing weight in my sleep, mm, hmm, so anyways, it's kind of my updates.
Pat:Oh, it's true, when you cut down the liquid bread, the LB's drop off typically.
Mick:Yeah, dude.
Pat:For sure, the uh can't get your tongue, it did get my tongue.
Mick:What's it? What's it? What's new in your world? What's going on in your life, bro? What's just gave you some updates from me. I know I got more updates. If you want me to keep rolling, cause, I'm, I'm, uh my.
Pat:my updates are currently there. They're not interesting, Okay.
Mick:My other update is that I've not been having good luck in the gun room. Oh no, yeah, so we're going to go shooting this Saturday. Mm, hmm, it's going to be a big day, big range day, a bunch of guys coming out and going to do some training with them and stuff. And uh, dude, I've been just getting out my new Mossberg 590. It's like the newest model from them, it's the 590s. It has built into it the uh feeding mechanism for the short one inch and three quarter shells. Oh yeah, you can fit like 15 in the tube. And, bro, it's been running fine. I took it out, skeet shooting even, and it wasn't great for that, but like I still was able to hit a couple of, like you know, skeets. But, um, bro, I was. I just put on all this like new furniture and stuff, put on a Magpul stock and I went to dry fire it with you know the snap cap in just making sure function test. The trigger won't compress. Safety on, safety off. Couldn't get the trigger to compress. I did a you know a slam fire like battery thing of just smacking against the floor. Got it to compress that way, but then once I pumped it, nothing, huh, and it's just trigger lock and so I'm gonna take it to the gunsmith. I took it all apart because, is it sorry?
Pat:you said this is a pretty new gun. You've earned it a few times, but is there a new trigger on there? No new trigger. No new guts in there at all the only only guts that are new.
Mick:Mm-hmm is that I put on a different safety, which isn't really guts. Right, that's external, but you have to take the guts out to screw it and keep everything in place. It was working after that fine mm-hmm. And then I put a Magazine extension. So the spring for the magazine and the feeder for the magazine mm-hmm are all new to accommodate the size of the extended to, but those also. I was feeding fine I only. I only noticed a difference after I swapped out the stocks and I put on the magpul stock. But, I was like, okay, if that's it, maybe it has to do with the stock screw. Took that off, put on the original stock, still wouldn't compress.
Pat:Hmm.
Mick:So now I'm just like pulling my hair out and I'm like time for you know, time to just take it to gunsmith yeah, but time to take it to someone who I trust and actually I do want to shout out Anyone in the northern Colorado era, you should check out PM guns and supplies. I know the gunsmith now personally. I didn't know him personally but I've been a customer of his for years. He's always done me right. He's never overcharged me. There's literally been a time where I brought something into him and he was like you know, I talked to him on the phone and he was like yeah, I don't really know if this is a gunsmith issue, but you, you're more than welcome to bring it in. And I brought it in and he had the humility to call me up. He's like no, you were right, this is a gunsmith issue. I'm like I did a fix on it, but the rest of this gun is good as new. Like you did a great job Maintaining it, cleaning it, doing parts repair on it and he literally only charged me for you know, essentially his, his time spent doing what he had to do on it that I didn't have the tools for. He didn't charge me for. Like his, you know, in-depth Optimization of like sorry, not optimization, but in-depth detail, like study to make sure all the parts were good and form fitting. And so PM guns and supplies. Their family owned small shop. They're not a bunch of people it's like a husband, wife and their friend that are, like the employees there, very well educated. They they will tell you if they don't have the means to do something Like. There's been some times where I know like I've talked to them or referred a buddy to them and they've just been like, look, I'll be honest with you, like we just do not have the means to Design that or build that part, mm-hmm, I can give you recommendations of who can and like. They're more than happy to make sure you get the right Like expert to do something rather than like, oh well, we might not be the right people, but we love your money, so we'll do it.
Pat:You know, I mean yeah.
Mick:So I highly recommend them. They're they're phenomenal people.
Pat:They've always done right by me, we cannot get you to get back on target with this perfectly functioning.
Mick:Doesn't matter what I do to your god like you're still gonna miss if you're not practicing good trigger control the Are we are.
Pat:Is it a three? Are we running three gun this weekend?
Mick:I definitely know that. The option is there. Mm-hmm, it's a hundred percent up to you know we do, I'm for of the person who owns the range.
Pat:Then I'm gonna run my 870 Full size on the three gun range, just cuz yeah bro, I was gonna run, I was gonna run three gun.
Mick:I was gonna run my, yeah, fnx 45, tack mm-hmm 590 s mm-hmm and my arrow AR. Mm-hmm, but dude, like two months ago, my arrow AR mm-hmm. I took it out to the range and and it would not. It would not feed the next round, it would fire and extract the case of the round just fired, but it wouldn't pick up the next round.
Pat:Hmm.
Mick:I Cannot figure it out. I tried different ammo, tried different mags, nothing worked. I built it myself. I totally accept I probably fucked it up, sorry. Also news, I'm trying to really dial back in cursing, I really am, because we, you know, we talked so much about, like you know, walking with Christ and stuff like that and I'm just like Nothing really reveals to you there is you can work on as a Christian, as much as just listening to yourself, but anyways, nothing was feeding. I tried, you know, steel mags, p mags, lancer mags, winchester, white box, federal, did some like actual, like, even tried some V max stuff just to like see, like what is going on with this thing. And it wouldn't. It would fire at everything, would feed. After the first racking of the bolt, you know the first chamber would not pick up the next round, turn it into the gunsmith. I said, dude, here's what's going on. They're like that's weird, that sounds like an under gas issue. I was like, dude, I had actually send this upper back to aero precision Because there was a bulge in the gas block that was causing it to be undergassed. Aero, to their credit, great customer service. I didn't pay for shipping, they took it. They told me yep, there's a bulge in the gas block. It's not fixable, we're gonna put in a whole new gas tube. You know, it's not something that we can just like, bend it back right. Right, we put it this in and ran fine. I was like cool, and I I was using that upper Anderson lower, my first AR lower, before I built out my arrow lower with, like, my custom parts kit, my la rue trigger, and after I built it out, now was having issues and I was like it's clearly probably a me issue, right, right, that's probably something I did that is not in the right spot, secured properly. Gunsmith dude. He said it was gonna be through weeks before he got back to me with like it fixed, just because of how much, how many guns he had on the block, mm-hmm. He called me two days later and he's like hey, man, I took it out to Pawnee and it runs fine. I was like what? He's like? Yeah, I took it apart down to the bones, looked at everything. Everything would fine, put it back together, took it out to Pawnee, ate everything different mags, different ammo, totally fine, 40 bucks, come get your gun. I was like okay, but you took it apart. And he's like yeah, I was like all right, so I definitely messed it up Something.
Pat:I did like when you put it back together, you think that he?
Mick:just him taking it apart and putting it back together, fixed, whatever. There she was right, and I'm pretty sure that's probably what happened with my shotgun to I'm gonna be like, hey, man, do your magic, take it apart, put it back together and let me know how it works, because I, because I can't get the trigger to work anymore and it sucks because it was just working, you know. So all I said I'm hoping to have that ready because I have like a really six-ling setup. I just finished essentially my like build on it to have like a I have like a Match saver on the side of the shotgun. Do you know what those are?
Pat:I don't know, but I, I am a match saver Because I practice my John Wick reloading whether you stack all them up in your thumbs and get them in there.
Mick:I actually have beef with a Mossberg on that because I was practicing that reload and the the lip of the magwell on this 590 s is so sharp that when I did that it cut open my thumbs and my fingers Like along all them. Yeah, when.
Pat:I ran it. You do 500 time. Then you'll be fine, Just wear gloves.
Mick:But uh, no, the match savers is really cool thing where, like, you essentially use adhesive To put this one shell holder either on Velcro adhesive behind your chamber. So when you're out, you just like firing hand comes up, pushes it in chamber it up, and a lot of three gunners use it just for like, in case they have them, you know, misfire or whatever Mm-hmm, they can open chamber. It go ahead, because I think something like there's a lot of different rules, but three gun is essentially like as much ammo as you can have on the gun is as much ammo as you have Outside of like the required magazines or whatever you have. But shotguns really strict, where it's like You're not allowed to reload, like it's whatever you have in the tube. Hence why you see Jerry Mitchell like with like a eight foot long extension on the target. It's like on have you ever watched this video you?
Pat:just, you just rotate, you just pivot until your Tube is touching the steel target and fire.
Mick:Have you watched that shotgun video though of his? I don't think he literally has a three foot like mag extent, like tube extension on a I think it's a.
Pat:Beretta, that's where things for me just get a little too. Is it like funny, or is it like this is?
Mick:No, he's serious. Yeah, well, I mean he's, he's the fastest shooter in the world, right, you know? And he has a shotgun syringes just like strapped on his leg, mm-hmm. So he just rips those out and thumbs them and they just load up eight rounds immediately. Yeah, you know what I mean, and so those are pretty slick. I was thinking about doing a build where I'd have the syringes store, because I found a guy who makes Three rounds syringes, mm-hmm. But even three round stages syringes are like seven inches long, I'm like, and I couldn't find anything that was seven like your, your usual M4 Mag holder, mm-hmm. On like a chest rig, is like five inches deep, mm-hmm.
Pat:So it's just like it's not gonna get those. The. If you were in that highly specific competitive space, it makes sense. But then if you're just like Practicing because it's fun and you're trying to do practical application, mm-hmm, you start to like move outside of the practical application realm. Yeah, yeah, but the. Yeah, some of those guys get funny with those big old tubes and that's like I'm gonna run the three gun with just my old 870. Do the 870?
Mick:as well. Most guys run for pump.
Pat:Yeah, but it's, it's. It's not a short one, it's not a tack one, it's just a. Oh, it's a bird gun. Yes, a bird gun. I think maybe I should. My three gun setup should be my six shooter Mm-hmm revolver, my 30, 30, and then my, my 870, just cuz yeah, is your 870 semi auto, though.
Mick:No, no, it's pump.
Pat:He said yeah, so yeah, it's all. Uh, yeah, dude. It's just, it's all, just like only wooden guns, old wooden ain't nothing wrong with it, man, just for fun, maybe I'll I'll run one round with it.
Mick:Yeah, you should have. You ever looked into the cowboy action stuff I I have a buddy who does it Just started this last year Mm-hmm last summer, I guess, is when he started Mm-hmm. He loves it, man, mm-hmm. He's gotten to the point where he's just using like custom loads for 45 long colt Mm-hmm and he does you know the two long colt revolvers Mm-hmm, long colt Repeater Mm-hmm, and then for shotgun it the only thing you're allowed is side by side. There's no pump allowed yet yeah, it's just. Um, he's getting really good. He's really and he says, like the best part about it is seeing you improve. You know, like the first time you do it, you're like gosh, I was so slow, I fumbled, literally took me a minute to run this course. Mm-hmm, I'm walking. I'm watching guys run it in 10 seconds. I'm watching, you know, kids run it in 1215.
Pat:Oh yeah, and they're like Episodally me chance sometimes and it's.
Mick:they're still shooting 45 long colt oh yeah. I shoot in 22s and uh, he was just like now I'm running it and I'm like, wow, I've. I can literally see myself, mm-hmm, get 100% better in the last like one year, practicing every other weekend and I just think it's I don't know, it's super cool, I'm jealous. I kind of want to do he got all of his guns from his grandpa, but I'm kind of jealous. I was like dude, I would love to run that.
Pat:It's fun and cool and I Some. It just starts to border on larping so much that I just don't know if I can do it like like you know. It's like it gives you the deal.
Mick:I. But what if you're now larping? I know you get that good with the revolver, bro.
Pat:I know, but like you know, it's like lots of the guys wear like a sheriff star.
Mick:Like it's larping when it's airsoft. Yeah, it's not larping when you are that fast with an air, like with a 45 long colt.
Pat:Chaps, don't help you shoot guns. That's all I'm saying. That's true. It does become the ren fair really fast. And I wish, like here's the deal I wish I was a real life cowboy, because then I would. I would wear chaps all day, every day, just because I'd get out of my. I'd drive a Prius and I'd get out of my Prius with my chaps on dude.
Mick:Here's my, here's my biggest argument yeah. Deconstruct the cowboy wardrobe, mm-hmm, because we only think the cowboy wardrobe is the cowboy wardrobe, because that's what everything in the movies was when we were grown up, yeah, and now, like some cowboys, dress only. But, dude, most people who are actual cowboys today like or actually out there with livestock. Don't wear those things. No, and I'm all about like Wear the cowboy hat and not square toad boots. Wear a cowboy hat in a suit With round toad boots. Just let the cowboy hat be a part of your professional outfit. Let the cowboy hat be on when you're wearing a short sleeve in shorts. Yeah, just the bro tank. It's a hat. Yeah, it's a hat, if it looks good on you, if it fits your head right and it keeps the sun off your melon. Mm-hmm wear it, dude, if you like. I can't tell you how many guys I have who are afraid to wear a cowboy hat out anywhere, but they wear square toad boots everywhere because they're comfortable and they slip on easy. And if I'm, like you, a cowboy bro. They're gonna be like no man but these boots are damn comfy, mm-hmm, and they look really good and I'm like great man. I don't think, like bro, you should take those off. I know, you know what I mean.
Pat:This is true. This is true, as I had. I had a pair of uh, even like, I don't even like I had these uh, rocky brand combat boots that I loved, but I started to hate wearing them around because I felt like I was a poser for like military stuff.
Mick:I was like, ah, I military doesn't even wear combat boots, bro.
Pat:I know emos, do I know it's yeah, I know right, but the uh, but they were, they were the real that they, they were what the dudes wore. And to the point where I'd have guys ask me like Like real. Guys would ask me like, oh, so, like you know, they'd come up and start talking about I got these at the arc From a rotc guy.
Mick:They're like, oh, I'm like sorry, bro, they fit well because the most embarrassed I've ever felt for another guy Mm-hmm, actually, that's not true. Let me restate that the most I have ever felt another guy's disappointment Was when I was working armed security in the cannabis industry.
Pat:Mm-hmm.
Mick:I was working an armored truck one day. Mm-hmm and, uh, I went in collecting money and I was collecting money like at a cannabis dispensary, bagging it, counting it. The dude Working at the dispensary was like a former marine. He looked at my boots. He's like, oh, dude, I recognize those boots. And he put out his hand and I was like, before I shake your hand, you got to know like I literally just tried on boots and I picked the most comfortable pair of bud, mm-hmm, and I was willing to spend top dollar. And he was like, oh, hey, you know what I appreciate you being honest. And he like still shook my hand and we were, you know, we still chatted every time I picked up the money from there. But I knew he thought he was like this is a dude who was like, you know, mars sock, like me, right, and I was like uh-uh.
Pat:I'm not that guy.
Mick:But yeah like I just picked out. I just picked the most comfortable boots because I hate standing and uncomfortable boots all day, oh yeah.
Pat:Yep, yep, there, uh so, but maybe the cowboy hat needs to make a return. The cowboy hat needs to be for all people. I'm not a cowboy, I love my cowboy hat.
Mick:Dude, my cowboy hat. I pretty much got it specifically for, like you know, church clothes like. I specifically got it for Looking good put together. I don't own cowboy boots, mm-hmm. I had a couple people tell me like you got to get cowboy boots to complete it. I'm like, I'm not a cowboy, I've never owned cowboy boots. I don't know the first thing about buying cowboy boots, but if I try them and they're really comfy, I'm all about it. I like, I like, uh, these boots I had. They're called uh Bullhead, they're from england and they're like they're really good dress boots. They look really good, but they they have a zipper on this inside and so you can take them off really easily. You don't have to spend like five minutes lacing up and uh, I love them and I'm all about just ease of putting them on and off. Oh yeah, cowboy boots are the answer, man, I might get a pair. Yeah, I don't know if I'll go square toe though. Yeah, square toe is really a move. Like you're, you're, yeah, I would feel a little bit of a poser.
Pat:You start, you start to verge. Yep, oh yeah.
Mick:Anyways, hey, uh, follow-up from, uh, our last podcast. I talked to that guy. Oh really yeah, yeah, just had a good conversation. I was, I was pooping when he called me and uh, he, you know, I told him I was like hey man, can I give you a call? He's like let's talk tomorrow. I'm busy today and I was like, all right, sounds good. So he called me while I was on the pooper and uh, I uh just told him. I was like hey man, like I think you're genuinely a good dude, but like I just got to say some boundaries, you know, and he Handled it really well and like he respected a lot and like we'll still hang out. Um, but like you know, it was a really cool thing because I felt like more men Should be comfortable with like having that conversation of hey dude, I know you're a good guy and but like sometimes your words really cut deep. I just got to say some boundaries you know, and like that was. It felt very healthy, felt like a weight lifted, you know, and like we can Hang out and not be awkward. Hmm, um, and so it's one of those things that is pretty cool, um, and I I recommend more people doing that If you got someone in your life who you're like. Oh, dude, this guy his words kind of or like cutting me down a little bit when, like, we get in an argument Dude, just set a boundary, don't, don't be immature and don't ghost a guy. Mm-hmm you know, especially if he's a good friend and you're, you want to like be there for him. But like it's okay to set boundaries, and so I'm a big fan of that. Now it's working out well.
Pat:Yeah, yeah, I think that's good Because then, yeah, sometimes you just need a little little space and people got to know that they're.
Mick:You know, it's like, it's like the old, like a wearing out your welcome, you know yeah, and you don't need to tell the guy like hey, man, like like I didn't even tell him anything, I was like I wasn't, like hey, when you said this, like I thought you know your total asshole in that. And like you know I didn't eat, like try to get my skin, mm-hmm, you know, I was just like this is the situation, this is how I feel, and like what I think is like the best approach to it. What are your thoughts? And he was totally respectful of it. And like you don't need to get, you don't need to, you don't need to get your your skin, you know you don't need to get your like equal. Like you don't need to have that guy say I'm sorry, man, that I was a total asshole in that and you're right. Like I didn't need him to say you're right, I needed him to just say that's totally fine and like I respect that and I'll honor that, and so that was a like felt like a pretty cool thing.
Pat:It can be freeing.
Mick:Oh yeah, I mean, you're someone who you know. You set boundaries with some guys in the past and stuff, and like it feels like, like what are your thoughts on? Like how that's kind of produced?
Pat:like, do you feel like those boundaries were good and you felt like weight lifted or yeah, I think that, especially if you have a lot of bitterness and resentment, if you're a lot of bitterness and resentment in a relationship, the time heals all wounds thing, that is true, but it's it's not necessarily true, so I'll break that down too. but the If you have bitterness and resentment, you have to Some, something has to To Change, to start getting breakthrough right and sometimes that thing needs to be space in a relationship or setting boundaries in a relationship, and the time heals all wounds piece would be like just letting it sit and fester does not Heal. You won't find healing in that like relationship, but Once you can make it known how you're feeling about these things or and you can voice that bitterness or voice that concern or voice that hurt, then Then the time can start to heal. Because it's kind of like You've experienced that thing probably where you've either broken up with a girlfriend or or you've had a really weird like you've had a fight with someone you care about and then the next time you see them it's like Something's broken. You know that like that weird disconnect feeling when they walk in the room and you're there and you're like I don't really know what, how to act now, I don't know how to be in this space, and there's a there's nothing's nothing said, but you can just tell like there is something weird in between the two of us, like and it's just there. And I think that the only way that you can start to move through those things is to Voice the hurt or the bitterness or the things that that happened and then move, make a way forward, and and that still is can be like spending time together and not spending time together, but it's like it had. The time healing wounds has to be intentional time. Whether it's you know, hey, I'm not gonna engage you on this topic, or hey, we've kind of fallen, drifted apart. Let's make sure that once a week or once a month or once every three months, we're gonna Grab coffee or go fishing or whatever. Or if it's your spouse, like we're gonna be going on a date, we're gonna be intentionally checking in in the morning, not just or like when we go to bed we're not on our phones, we're just gonna actually like talk and be together, whatever. It is like the time that heals all wounds has to be intentional time. But then pride is what gets in the way of progress there. So if you have, both parties have to be willing to Walk forward with it, and and sometimes you'll get where someone thinks that the like humble, quote-unquote humble way to move forward is to just like Bend over mm-hmm but that's not also the way. That's not the way forward either. Just do like. Always be like I was wrong, I was incorrect, this was bad. It has to be also. You can also still stand up for yourself as you walk through that too.
Mick:So yeah, yeah, yeah, and I like I think there's a lot said to like you don't. You don't know how that other person's gonna approach it. Mm-hmm and like in my conversation, like I didn't go. I didn't go with an expectation of an apology, mm-hmm. I didn't go to an expectation of him listening to me, like Going off with like the things he said that, well you know, hurt my feelings or whatever, mm-hmm. I just went in with like hey, I'm just gonna be Objective about like what I think is healthy for me. Mm-hmm and in that he owned up to a lot of stuff, like without me seeking it out, he just was like you're right on XYZ and I Wanted I want to apologize for that Mm-hmm and I was like awesome, like I didn't even expect that, but I felt a lot of healing from that, you know, mm-hmm, and I thought that was. That was pretty cool.
Pat:Yeah, it gives them an opportunity in that space and the you Can only be responsible for how you react, you know, and then how that person's gonna react to it is up to them. So you at least like, when you get in these situations, the there's the relationship to be salvaged and there's also and that's there can be worked on around that. But then, like bitterness in yourself or in these sorts of darkness that come up in ourselves that we start to, they kind of even start to build on our own while we're not Not with that person, those things can you get to release yourself. Just from how you risk, how you Express yourself, you can release yourself from bitterness that person. That person's response, or Unresponsive, isn't gonna release you from any bitterness.
Mick:Mm-hmm.
Pat:And so there's there's that part to free yourself, and then there's the salvaging the relationship. I just thought of this story from just a little. It's a you know fable or a world, you know, just a little lesson story, but there was a and speaking specifically to around how we can get into bitterness and places where we can just sit in our own own Story, that we're replaying in our head, and we can get in a place that's Not good and isn't even the reality. So this guy, he broke down on the side of the road. He had he had a flat tire and he didn't have a jack in his car, and so he he's Trying to figure out what he's gonna do, how he's gonna get home, and he sees this little old light, this little light in the distance and he's a, he's a car. I'm gonna go, go for help, I'm gonna. You know that's probably a friendly farmer down the road. He's gonna help me out. He's every farmer's got a jack right. This is gonna help me. So he starts walking down the road and he's like, uh, it's nice to get to this guy. This, this guy's gonna help me out. People around here are nice people and he keeps walking and he's like you know, this gets a little closer and he's like I'm gonna kind of I kind of disturb this guy when I wake him up, not sure how he's gonna react to that Walks a little further and he's like, you know, at this guy, when I wake him up, he's gonna, he's gonna be scared and he's gonna think that I'm like breaking in. So I gotta kind of figure out how I approach this deal, you know. And he's walking and he starts thinking more about it. He's like this guy's just gonna like he's he's gonna be rude to me, probably because I've woken him up, you know. He walks a little further and he's like this guy, this guy is gonna he's he's gonna not even help me out because he's gonna be so pissed that I woke him up. He's walking down further and he's like this guy, I'm gonna walk all the way down here and this guy is gonna offer no help to me. He's not gonna take care of me at all, he's gonna leave me stranded on the road and he's not gonna consider, you know, his fellow man in this situation at all. You know this guy, he gets up to the door and he's any knocks on the door and this little old farmer opens the door and he, just, this guy, just he's all worked up, and he just yells you, you can take your jack and shove it. And then he just turns around and walks back to his car and and you know, that's. That's the whole damn story. But the deal is, you know, we can make, we make these assumptions and we make these, we get ourselves worked up into things and we put ourselves, we assume stuff, we project onto other people our own stuff, and it's just a funny little story that grandpa used to tell. But the I Think there's a lot of lessons there that actually go much deeper around how you can sit in bitterness or you can Actually take the time to address somebody and communicate with somebody and tell them what you're feeling and Probably come to a good solution.
Mick:Yeah, yeah, a lot of that is, you know, all in our own minds and our own projection. That's funny, that's a good. I've never heard that, but that's a good little answered out for it. Working yourself up, I Feel like I've been in both parties on that. You know both the farmer and the Person in need of help over thinking a situation. But anyways, that was kind of I really had on that, like just thought it was cool. Follow up, what are you like? What's going on with you? like you know, I kind of I kind of went through my whole like the whole deal last week of you know things I'm doing and all that you're. You're kind of what's going on? Yeah.
Pat:I'm uh, I've been traveling a lot, getting right now I'm just getting back in the work mode of things, and the Today was classic. I had planned out my my whole day. I was gonna get in here in the office, do office work all day and get a bunch of stuff done that's stacked up and and I quoted this job over the phone I sent my guy out on it all the way out and Greeley is an hour away from here and he gets out there and is all my fault. He didn't have the materials he needed and it was a bad job and so like. Anyways. So long story short, I'm driving the long want to pick up materials out to Greeley, helping him out back here. Like gotten zero things done that I need to do today I'm looking to potentially I might hire another person in the company and so, like I was planning on just getting to do some thinking around that today and didn't get to. But because this is classic entrepreneurship, which is figuring out how to run a company and not let it run you, and today it definitely it ran me, ran me around for sure, and so that's a. You know, we'll see. I'm excited if I can get this new person hired on It'll be. It'll be a big deal for my, my tiny little company to bring on another person who can help out and move it forward again, and it'll be a risk for my family or risk for the business and all that. But that's kind of how it goes on these things. So I've been thinking through that, working through that and wanting to. There's two sides of this for me. Is you just? There's all the practical stuff and you know, does this, these numbers line up here? Does this job description make sense all the way over to like, well, like just sometimes you got to risk it to get the biscuit and then also you got to step out in faith sometimes. But then also I'm responsible for more people than just myself, and so that's interesting thing too about running a, running a business when you have a family too, is your decisions impact more people than just you. So you have to weigh out all those things and figure out if it's, if it's worth the risk.
Mick:Yeah, yeah, I don't envy that, bro. So that's a lot of a lot of decisions to make and I feel like that kind of lends itself to like. I know we've talked about wanting to do a small business series here you know, and I think there's a lot of value in that, because so many people, like even myself, like I've had plenty of thoughts in regards to like small businesses and launching my own and so much of it is wrapped around in like a fog of not knowing and like how did how to go about those things, and I think there's a lot of value that you have to provide on that and insight into like how to get started on running your own company, and I know we were blessed with having a lot of close connections with people who also run their own small businesses and definitely think that will be a valuable, valuable little series of you know how do you, how do you, take those first steps and then what comes after the first steps, you know, right after you're making money and self-sustaining.
Pat:But yeah, because there's lots of people out there who want to start their own thing and then lots of people don't know that it takes three to five years before you're really making money.
Mick:Yeah.
Pat:Unless you're in a really unique situation or in a very dynamic and quick growing market. You know, certain startups, and usually those things that grow really fast, also have a lot of investment behind them and that sort of thing, and so people out there are also hungry to, in a lot of cases, be on their own too, and we're in a really interesting space right now where it's getting more and more polarized, I think, between, like, big company, big corporation and then small mom and pop stuff, and we've watched a lot of small mom and pop stuff die out. But then there's lots of people starting to own their own companies again around. Especially, like you know, probably the social media world is such a market driver for so many people that some people can make a living off of just posting pictures of themselves in certain places and saying this is a cool place, you know whatever, or and really not doing anything over to you know, moving products or certain things. But it's funny because I think about how it used to be around the American landscape, where it really was like small family farms, really small businesses and really communities relying on each other, and then through really from throughout the Great Depression, through World War II into like the 50s. You started to get into just like you know what made the most sense was to go get a job at a company, work 30 to 40 years, have a pension when you're retired, and just like. That was like that was the cushiest thing you could do. And then now it's coming back around to lots people wanting to own their own things and start their own things and develop their own things and most things fail.
Mick:Yeah. So yeah, there's definitely something to be said about that, like feeling of security and like how that's changed, like I agree, like for you know, especially like our grandparents generation like that generation has a feeling of loyalty to their employer because they felt like their employer took care of them. And I feel like nowadays, so many people I talk to are just like. I feel like I'm most secure if I'm my own boss, because I don't know, I don't feel like my company is loyal to me.
Pat:Yeah, and it's and it's not reciprocated both ways. Where it's like, you feel like a cog in the wheel and so, and then also, as like from a business owner standpoint, you have all these people who are just like here's how you maximize your salary Work a maximum of three years at any location. After two years at a job, be applying for the next job. You know you have, you've got experience. Start like and like. When the negotiation comes in for that hiring package, bump it up as high as you can, negotiate hard. They say, no, fine, keep going until someone bites. Work for them for two years and before you know it, like, you will be making like 200k by the time you're 27. And like that is what you'll be at and it's like so. Then there's the. There's always. You know, you have like the people who feel like a cog in the wheel, who just feel like they have no security because somebody somewhere in a different country or different state will decide to lay off a whole branch or sell it, and you're just like your job security is bad. And then from the business employer standpoint, it's like I just got all these people who really like they really are only here for the money. And lots of people would be like, well, that's what a job's for. Like just for the money, it's like. Well, that is true, but that's also that's not always how the mentality's been around. That like around loyalty and certain things of what you do and what your career is and what you your craft and what you build and what you're a part of, and and those sorts of things.
Mick:Yeah, no, I agree, I feel blessed. I mean, I have an employer that I feel very like stable at. I've seen, I feel like I've been able to see taking care of their own employees pretty well from, like my coworkers who were older than me been with the company longer. I definitely feel, though, like it is unique. You know, I definitely feel like that is not the same everywhere, especially like prior jobs I worked at. Like I know, when it came to that renegotiation, you know, for your salary, it was kind of like a I mean I've gotten the total like conversation, like well, they just don't think you're worth that, it's like okay, and that's when you start looking elsewhere, you know. So I get that's not the majority of what like people find themselves in, but I do find myself very thankful for an employer that I do feel like is in the long game of valuing their employees and trying to retain their employees out of loyalty and rewarding their employees for sticking around. But anyways, I don't really have much else for this episode, man, I feel like we've covered a lot and good little tidbits here and there. Eventually, you know, sooner than later, with what we have kind of in the pipeline, I'd like to kind of take all these you know essentially the things we buy, you know stuff we buy to kit out our guns, the stuff we buy for you know first aid response and all that. Like, my idea is to kind of get those up for our kin out there who are listening, so that way they can kind of see what we put our own money into and trust us brands and product and be able to kind of use that as a way of making a confident purchase and stuff. And so I think that will be kind of coming out here soon too and in the near future, essentially the mick and pat preferred list, the mick and pat preferred load out.
Pat:Yeah.
Mick:Like what we put our confidence in. And I think that'll be pretty sick and cool to get feedback, because we're kind of at a nice point where we're blessed to have people more experienced than us in individual fields that allow us to kind of, overall, round ourselves out with good equipment, you know, good, good stuff for whatever we have our needs of and feels good at. Like the idea of being able to pass it on to others, of like, yeah, everyone's going to say they're selling the best product, but like, here's what we put kind of like our lives on. So anything else that you want to add?
Pat:No, and I think that uh, yeah, we're. We're just a couple episodes out of that fatherhood podcast series and we're excited to keep bringing some of those topics up. Let us know what you want to hear about. We've we haven't really used our social network to its extent. Even we barely scraped the surface around. You know, like people, we know about certain things, certain topics, and so, like, what do you want to hear about, what do you want to know? We're excited to bring some of those more intentional series out so that we can be bringing you stories and voices of things that are relatable or things that are unique, you never heard of, or things that give you new perspective on life, and so what we want to keep bringing those things out as well. We're looking into there'll be the fall before we know it, and that's when I think, after this, you know some in the summertime people have crazy schedules, family vacations, whatever. We're looking to get into some cool rhythms throughout the fall, and so that's when you can expect to see more consistent, you know, schedules and things coming out and and with those more intentional topics as well. And we appreciate everybody who's listening, people who are following us I had a someone even on the phone today was like like hey, when's the next one coming out?
Mick:You know, that's where the thing.
Pat:That's like it was. It was cool because people listen, people want to hear, so we'll keep bringing stuff out as people want to have it and, yeah, I think that's what we got for you tonight Till next time Ken.