The Mick and Pat Show: SimCity Nostalgia, Cloud Seeding Conundrums, and the Melodies of Oliver Anthony

Speaker 1: 0:50

This is Turok. Hey, welcome to the Making Pat Show. Pat's over here looking like a monkey humping a football and trying to open his beer. A rusty pair of pliers you know we have, I think, five bottle openers within 20 feet of us. I'm going to get it. Anyways, if you join us here, a little special treat for you right now, if you're. If you can hear this playing in the background, it is the soundtrack to the SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition. That's right. Some of you may remember playing this game on your good old like Windows. I bet you could play it on like the Windows XP. But dude, I just remember this soundtrack being like insanely, just hype, because you're building your city.

Speaker 2: 1:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:51

And there's just all this hustle and bustling and you see like the sky tower is like the scaffolding going up around them and then the tarps and stuff and then they go down and you got a skyscraper there and you know people are starting to talk about they're like the city's nice but the traffic's bad. And then some people are like I sure do wish there was more police. And then like too many police officers, and it's kind of like it's wonderful, though I love this game. And then every time you get frustrated with a game and like everyone's being mad and everyone's like you see all your little Sims walking around protesting you're like all right, that's it. You just create a volcano in the middle of the city All right, that's it. And then meteorite. That, honestly, was my favorite thing was just making a city and then sending a shit load of just natural disasters at it, just an authoritarian dictatorship, deep state able to alter the natural world around them regime. Here's the thing when I was like I don't know fifth grade, when I was playing this game, I would watch my grandfather play it, and my grandfather played it religiously, dude. Oh he loved it. He had it on his work computer at home and he would open up so nice and he had like really good cities. But my grandfather is like a electrical engineer who worked for a new station as like their head engineer.

Speaker 2: 3:12

Okay.

Speaker 1: 3:14

And so he has like he just has a lot of knowledge about how cities work right. He knows like all the things you need to do and how to kind of follow like the process of taking something from like a town to a city, to a metropolis. And I didn't know, jack, all about that, I was just like building my city. I was like, all right, cool, we need more zoos no exactly. No, I'd like. Look at, the thing is like so it says I have a million bucks. How about three baseball fields and like three baseball fields and 17 police stations come and send aliens to attack and the police are going to have to stop them, and I would do that, or that. I'd like put military bases and airports and like the like 15 residents living in like rural houses, just surrounded by like the most expensive you know governmental buildings and stuff would be like protesting and like it's just it's just too busy here and there's not enough infrastructure for like local folks, and like that's what it comes up on, like the little chat, right. It's like and it's supposed to be like news headlines and then like my city planner, every time this is how you know your city was going downhill and my city planner comes in and he's like well, sir, we can always open up a waste management facility that will bring in tons of money. And I hear the gases coming off of it make a beautiful sunset and it's like you know everyone's going to complain. The moment you make a waste management center of like it stinks, it's pollution, but it's always like the last ditch effort. Be like well, that's my extra money. And I just like I remember I got to like sixth grade or something like that. I had like started having my first like actual social studies class on an economy. I was like, maybe what if I didn't spend all $1 million in the first five minutes? Like what if I just had that million dollars and I built like enough houses for a let's go a thousand people? You know what is that? A hundred families, I guess that's more like 500 families, 300 families and a bank and a park, police station, fire department and a couple of schools. I was like, oh my gosh, people love schools. I just like, I just realized. I was like man, there's something to this. And I just remember, like the more I figured it out, I got into, eventually downloaded a mod where it was like SimCity on Mars. It was cool because you had, like all these new different aspects of like trying to keep population like a city on Mars alive. The best thing was you would generate with like random randomization. It would generate essentially like a pretty close to like I guess you could say like a state, or probably like multiple state size, like close to like something like the size of Texas, and it grid it up for you automatically and you just click a grid and it gave you a million bucks to start a city there. And whenever your city grew big enough, you just connected it with a road to the square next to it and then you'd back out and you'd see your cities connected and they'd have inter-commerce. And eventually, you know, I saw ones where people essentially made like literally not, I mean, wasn't the whole United States, but it kind of looked like it.

Speaker 3: 6:35

And.

Speaker 1: 6:35

I was just like, wow, this is sick. You could just download it and open it in like your own game. It was pretty, pretty baller. I really want to play it again, but it's been so long and I'm afraid the memories are better than the game.

Speaker 2: 6:47

Right, like that's a pretty old video game.

Speaker 1: 6:50

Yeah, I think it probably came out in like 2005. No, probably like 2002, 2003. Before the iPhone oh, 100% old Yep.

Speaker 2: 7:02

It sounds like most politicians should have to play that game.

Speaker 1: 7:10

You must sustain a city and a simulation and like they're not told that, like if you drop a meteorite on the city out of frustration, you are disqualified. Like no one's warned that, yeah, they're just like, sorry you didn't pass and they're like, why not? Did it have something to do with the 15 earthquakes I generated because they wouldn't pay their taxes?

Speaker 2: 7:31

Yes, it was like a good natural disaster to whip the people back into shape.

Speaker 1: 7:40

Why won't these military, why won't the military go and extort them? Why isn't it working sending them door to door? There should be an option for that. That's not all old politicians sound in my head. Oh yeah, they kind of sound like the monopoly man. Imagine that's how the monopoly man sounds.

Speaker 2: 7:57

I agree. So I had. We had a lot of rain this year, right, a lot of rain, dude, a lot of rain this year, and a lot of people were complaining about it, which is fine. Maybe Not this guy, but I'm just saying we live in a really dry tender box of estate and it's good to have a good rain year and God bless those farmers out there living on a prayer and you know the rain helps them. The hail doesn't. So it's a 50-50,. You know, hail storm comes in instead of a rainstorm. So the I like the rain, I enjoy it, I even I like it's funny because people were complaining about the rain who like work inside and I like, I like kind of work outside a lot.

Speaker 1: 8:40

You work where all the rain coagulates.

Speaker 2: 8:42

I'm like working where the rain is and I like it. Yeah, Sometimes it's a pain, whatever, but anyway it's refreshing and good, and all that to say. There was a something going around about saying that the government, the government, whoever that is, you know local, city or you know Illuminati, whoever it was was generating all this rain, Seeding clouds, Seeding the clouds To stop climate change.

Speaker 1: 9:20

Yes.

Speaker 2: 9:21

So when I hear that, I think to myself that is, that's total BS. And then I go what is possible? I like what? And is it that bad that they're doing that? If they are, so I I honestly have. I have zero education on this. I haven't even read an article on it. I just I heard somebody who I like, who I respect, complaining about cloud seeding and it made me question their.

Speaker 1: 10:00

So any respect like an individual, a part of our community, or like an online person.

Speaker 2: 10:06

No, like a person who I like, a person that I talk to face to face, you know, and they were complaining about the rain and also freaking out about the government seeding the clouds and whatever health effects that would bring on us. They were jacking with stuff. So is cloud seeding a thing I mean? Well, I know it's a theory.

Speaker 1: 10:26

Craig, go ahead and pull up this stuff. So I'm not talking out my wazoo, because here's the deal the classic Con Trails versus Kim Trails.

Speaker 2: 10:36

You know, there's always someone posting a picture online because United Flight 772 just took off out of DIA and, yeah, the exhaust left a left, a stream in the air and you can see it, that would be a Con Trail. But then there's, you know, a lot of theories out there about Kim Trails and Kim Trails being the government or whatever big organizations throwing chemicals out into our atmosphere to I don't know to do their thing to alter the weather, maybe also as applications for it. As far as you could go, If it's possible to do this, I'm sure it's like Skies of the Limit, pun intended on what you could do with the Kim Trail.

Speaker 1: 11:27

So here's all I got to say while Craig's looking stuff up. I remember the conversation about cloud seeding back when I was in like middle school, like the science, because I remember my science teacher being really concerned about climate change and with that, one of the things that they're he was talking about was like cloud seeding, so in order to like prevent droughts and stuff like that, you can seed clouds that would rain more. But there was like a lot of concern, if I remember right, about like the method for doing it and the chemicals.

Speaker 2: 12:05

So, yeah, I'm so the theory's out there and I have no idea the science behind it.

Speaker 1: 12:16

If I could wager a, guess it's more than a theory, I think. But I'm just going to let Craig speak once he gets his stuff on, because I, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 12:29

And so, and the funny thing would be, we're going to change the climate, to combat climate change, based off of a very short amount of years. Because here's what I think is funny If you're going off of a theory that the rock has been spinning, for you know, a couple billion times around the sun, and then I'd say you can see where humans do affect their environment, that is 100%. And but at the same time, the big spinning rock has been through a lot of iterations, and so how much effect are we actually having on it, and how much? What changes are just normal? What changes aren't? The end of the world, yeah.

Speaker 1: 13:19

I mean, here's the I'll say this too like there is, without a doubt, of course, climate change in regards to, like, weather patterns changing over time and things like that, and, without a doubt, mankind is entirely capable of changing their environment. I mean, look at, look at Los Angeles. Do you know what Los Angeles was like 50 years ago? A desert, it was a desert up against the beach. It's insane when you see photos of, like, the farmland that was there and like even what it looked like before the farmland. And then, after the city came along and they pulled all the water away from the farmland, it was like people showed up. It was a desert with some decently fertile soil, but like no water, and so then they started having to bring all the water and down into the valley to create farmland, made these beautiful orchards, and then the city boomed and they pulled all the water away from farmers. Great movie about this is Chinatown with Jack Nicholson. Phenomenal movie about the seediness back in like the 40s and 50s, about water rights in LA and like, straight up, like it's when it really big changes started to cover stuff, but yeah, it didn't like. and then like when you see the photos after they take the water away from the farmland to the city, you can see like all the farmland turned back into the desert. And honestly, if LA wasn't covered in asphalt, it would be a desert. It's crazy, but okay. So Craig says that he's got results for us. Go ahead, man.

Speaker 3: 15:03

Cloud seeding is a real scientific technique aimed at encouraging precipitation from clouds. Essentially, the idea is to disperse substances into the air that act as cloud condensation or ice nuclei, encouraging clouds to release their moisture as rain or snow. The most commonly used substances include silver iodide, potassium iodide and liquid propane. This method has been deployed for various reasons increasing rain or snowfall in areas of need, reducing hail damage and even controlling fog in some instances. However, it's worth noting that, while the science behind cloud seeding is well established, its effectiveness can vary based on a range of factors like atmospheric conditions, the type of clouds and so on. Governments and organizations use cloud seeding, especially in regions facing drought conditions, hoping to increase water reserves, but there's still ongoing research about its long-term effects and efficacy. So, yes, cloud seeding is very much a real practice, although it's not a magical solution to all weather-related problems.

Speaker 1: 16:19

Dude. Thanks man. Wow, appreciate that. That's incredible. My biggest thing here. Yeah, I've quit. That's some pretty interesting points and I get that, craig just probably right off the wiki. But I hear potassium iodide, silver iodide and liquid propane as the means for creating the clouds, which makes me immediately want to look up those concerns.

Speaker 2: 16:48

Yeah, see what those do to you, because for me my thing about it is like I understand that you can do that. How much of it does it take to make a whole cloud? Because if you're doing it through, I assume they deliver it through airplanes.

Speaker 1: 17:06

Yeah, I mean it's got to be a world or balloons.

Speaker 2: 17:09

Or balloons or something, but so, whatever it is, the sheer size of what a cloud is compared to a plane, and even the amount of whatever chemical they can carry on it, I guess I just don't have to have to comprehending it. And so it's interesting, and I think that if we can do it, why not do it? Because of the lack of rain we're having in lots of places, the lots of spots that are having droughts and issues with water, especially long-term droughts. But then, like you were saying, these chemicals that they're using, what are they? What do they do if you put them into the air?

Speaker 1: 18:06

Well, I think. One I think we should get Craig a better mic. And two, I don't think actually, craig really I don't think we should be giving him a lot of airtime. I agree, because here's one of the secrets Craig has a decent voice, don't want anyone to say anything. You guys should have Craig on the mic more often, because then that takes away from the whole show. Then it'd be the Mick and Pat and Craig show and that's too much. And the Mick, pat and Craig show. People would just be calling it, saying oh, mick, pat, that's a last name. Mick Pat, it's like no, no, no, so it's just the Mick and Pat.

Speaker 2: 18:41

We can't give him too much power Because we play our music through a boombox and that's the microphone he was speaking into. I think he was just leaning down on the ground. Craig was laying on the floor while he gave that spiel into our little microphone.

Speaker 1: 18:59

It seems like SilverEye died via the EPA says it can have injury. It says possible residual injury Humans and other mammals with intense or chronic exposure.

Speaker 2: 20:47

But I doubt you would really be getting an intense or chronic exposure, Like if you drank a concentrated spoonful, it's guaranteed that the Surgeon General says it gives Californians cancer. But if you live outside of that state you're fine. Amen to that. You know what I'm saying. I mean, California just gives you cancer. California's resistance to cancer is just. I don't get it. They can't hang their resistance to cancer Because on the back of everything you read you know it's. I don't think they have resistance.

Speaker 1: 21:16

That's what I mean. I think everything in California gives you cancer.

Speaker 2: 21:19

Everything.

Speaker 1: 21:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:21

Especially the Camtrails.

Speaker 1: 21:29

But anyways, before Craig had his blurb, I was saying I think that I've watched a lot of, I would say, climate shunned climate scientists, I would say now, because they're no longer the celebrities they used to be. And if you're a big fan of the John Stossel report, do you like John Stossel? I don't know who that is, bro. You know who John Stossel is. We used to watch him in school sometimes. John Stossel is one of the best I mean he still is one of the best journalists of all time and he was a part of, I think, of 60 minutes originally that he did a lot of interviews on. But he's known for having really wonderful unbiased interviews with people and asking really hard questions and trying to give both sides to a perspective and also saying here's my opinion, just so you know where I stand, but here's also what it seems like and I might be wrong, you know, or something like that Like he has one where I disagree with him on it, but he's like he's pro-legalizing sex work because he thinks it's like it would make it safer if it was regulated and taxable and the people who choose to participate in it are still going to participate in it, whether it's legal or illegal, and I was like I hear what you're saying still kind of disagree. Still don't think sex work should be legal, but essentially it is already, with only fans and porn. So I think we're kind of dealing with a minutiae here of not keeping prostitution illegal while everyone's looking together, like you know, giving it a blind eye to porn and only fans, right, right. So with that, though, like he's been, he's pretty anti climate change, now like anti the agenda, I would say big climate change. He's a believer that, like pollution is bad and we should do what we can to reduce it, but that, like this sign shows that like the amount of carbon we put out is like just not enough to have this grandiose impact that, like everyone wants to treat it to and the reason that there's like, and as much as we don't want to hear this, you know this is super controversial, right, but it's the truth. Climate scientists get treated like celebrities. They get flown around in private jets to talk at world summits, talk to world leaders, and they get a crap load of money from all around the world. That's tax off right, a bull right, and it looks really good from you know billionaires donating it, and he just recently had like one of these climate scientists on who is? She was like I felt like you know, a celebrity, a movie star. I was constantly flying around, I was treated to first class. Everywhere I was, people were always giving me money to go and speak to them and talk to them about, like, what their country should do to combat climate change, and her paper of all this like kind of climate doomsday stuff was examined and proven false, and rather than like shunning the people who proved it incorrect, rather than shaming them, she examined what they said and she's like you're right. And because she said you're right, the climate community kind of kicked her out. Wow. And so, like, john Stoussell has like three or four videos where he essentially just takes it down in regards to, like the objectiveness of it, how a lot of climate science is at best, debatable, at worst, absolute fraud, like fear mongering. But like, don't get me wrong, we for sure, as Mankind, have done things that have severely affected the environment Around us in a negative way. However, I just do not believe that it is at, or like at a global scale, something that should be addressed in regards to like forcing lockdowns in cities in order to, like, reduce Pollution and things like that. Car pollution, england and Ireland, have you heard about?

Speaker 2: 25:37

I just thought say the same thing. Yeah, I've briefly heard about it. From my understanding it looks like they're calling some serious Vehicle lockdowns on England and Ireland, of the type of car you drive. It's stuff like if you drive an older vehicle, if you drive a diesel, that's a certain age you get, you have to pay a penalty month like monthly penalty on it and and yeah, what else have you heard about it? Is that basically what's going on?

Speaker 1: 26:08

Well, there's that, and it's gonna essentially be like only the rich Will have the money to Like essentially drive whatever car they want. Still, yeah, but the thing I was mainly talking about was the culling of Livestock oh, because they decided that livestock are one of the leader sources of like pollution.

Speaker 2: 26:31

You know what here's. You said this is England and Ireland. What's it? What's? Can we get a quick population look up of how many people live on that rock? I can do that on that wet rock that we freed ourselves from. Can I get a what what? Okay, so here's the what. Okay, hey, there were friends now. We're friends now, and and yeah, mates for cross? They sure are, and. But here's, I just embaffled at this because 67 mil, 67 mil, that's quite a few packed in that rock on that tiny little island. But Well, can I get a quick look up on on, like India, what's India's population? One point four bill, there we go. Okay, here's what we're gonna get out for a brief second. England Cannot make a difference in pollution, even if they just decided to cull themselves. They, they can't, they cannot stop every Englander. I all of it. Shut down every factory, stop breathing oxygen, stop farting. Stop your cat house cat from you know, eating birds outside, it doesn't matter, you don't have it's, it's such a. It's not gonna make a difference when you have other countries with billions and billions of people that don't have rules and regulations of any form or fashion and who don't seen the Ganges River did? I have seen videos of it, of that river, and so you have On one part of this I'd say yes, you know, I think that it is. We need to be conscious of our environment around us, especially, like locally, of how we treat it. I Think it that there's a lot of alarmists out there on how, how we affect Everything globally, and then, if you want to have it, but if you want to have a global debate about it, we really need to look at some of the other countries that that have little to no regulations, major major population density that has, you know, huge carbon footprints, and so England's gonna try their best to tax people for driving diesel trucks and which is mostly gonna be their farmers who make their food, and then also the get rid of livestock. That's just. It just sounds a little absurd to me.

Speaker 1: 29:17

I mean, just think about this. Like I mean, this is really part of like kind of the proposal you know from like the Wef, world economic forum, mm-hmm, is to essentially like remove and I'm gonna say this is like not you know, conspiracy theorists as possible like this is stuff we can actually observe from like their most recent conversations hey man, that's too quiet, it's just wild. And I Supposed to be, you could turn, you can turn it down later. Oh, I'm trying to think, I'm trying to enjoy the soundtrack of some city for here we go For those wondering. I'm just actually now is rush hour.

Speaker 2: 29:56

Yeah, no kidding, it was getting me amped and I felt like I was in An Indian city of the hustle and bustle. It was going on in my ears, but hey.

Speaker 1: 30:05

So, anyways, the proposal from like world economic form is essentially to move away from these huge carbon producers, livestock like pigs and cattle look, primarily cattle and the idea is that we would be able to replace them synthetically with, like lab bugs, bug mash. Let's go. Bug mash is real bro. Hey, it's not it's not a joke like would. There is so much science looking into how to do it in a manner that could possibly Like work, it be tasty and whatever. And all that said, as Someone who's also, like, very enthusiastic about survivalist stuff Bugs excellent source of protein. Excellent source of like all the nutrients you need to survive in the wild if you're like without food.

Speaker 2: 30:57

Let's go.

Speaker 1: 30:58

Yeah, but Tell me how it's not elitist to make beef so expensive that only the rich can bet their eyes at it and buy it whatever they want, and the poor man could never afford a burger, let alone a steak, and is gonna have to eat bugs like this is this is some fucking like oh my gosh, sorry, I shouldn't listen, I'm trying to get better this way.

Speaker 2: 31:20

Listen, that's an that's appropriate application of the word in that situation.

Speaker 1: 31:24

Have you seen snow piercer? This is snow piercer.

Speaker 2: 31:27

I've seen everyone see the matrix and I've seen that sludge that came out of that, yeah, on that ship that they were eating.

Speaker 1: 31:33

Yeah, dude. No, this is. It's absolutely insane. Also, in the matrix, the animated Prequels that they did was like a bunch of little animated shorts. Part of the things that made the machines become aggressive and start trying to kill humanity Was that the government blacked out the sky with clouds, which is why the overworlds always cloudy in order to try to kill the machines and route them of sunlight, because they're probably using solar exact and that's why they use humans now, because they said oh we, you know you don't want to see the Sun but, we just start using you as batteries.

Speaker 2: 32:14

Mm-hmm. Yeah, human mash the. And there's something. I Don't know if I should be terrified or if I should just laugh at it, because you know what it's happening. It is like there. It's there was. I was watching who's it was. I think it was the German guy. Who's that German?

Speaker 1: 32:40

Yeah evil, evil. German World economic for a guy.

Speaker 2: 32:44

Yeah, dude, what's his name? Klaus?

Speaker 1: 32:47

is you. It's like. He's just like a. He will own nothing and you will be happy. You will rent everything and you will own none of it, and it will be the happiest you've ever been in your life. We will own everything and we will allow you to use it. It's just like like dude, I don't know, like that's really not that dirty add. He was like so excited he's excited about it. He's like me and my other world economic forum people who make decisions about the world economy? No one should be making those. Oh my gosh but, like this is like it's like so, guys, we have new plan. It's very exciting. You know how you all love Netflix and you do not own any of the shows or movies and and you don't even want to buy or rent movies on Amazon anymore, you just want to use them on Hulu and Prime. So we, you don't even want to car anymore, it's so expensive in a breakdown, so you just use uber and you don't own the car. Well, what if you don't own anything? What if you rent furniture? What have you read? Carpet? What if you rent view out window? What if you rent bed? What if you rent food in refrigerator, in refrigerator space? Yes, very neighbor doesn't have fridge so he rents fridge space out of your fridge. But you don't own fridge so you can't tell him no it. You'll be happy here. You'll have no burdens and think about. You rent everything. You don't have to worry about buying anything and never having use for it again down the road. It'd be great. You just rent a toaster for only the toast you need that floor and never have to worry about the toaster Occupying space in your kitchen.

Speaker 2: 34:42

Yeah, you're not happy with this.

Speaker 3: 34:46

What are you doing, picking?

Speaker 1: 34:48

up those guns.

Speaker 2: 34:54

Someone stop them. That's kind of rented. It's not on that guns just offended your Norwegian friends doing your German accent, but that's okay.

Speaker 3: 35:05

We know what he was saying.

Speaker 2: 35:07

It was makes a guy a little German there when he got real communistic. But hey, it's a apropos, and you know what that guy makes me so glad to be an American and I see shit like that. We got a good buffer out here, yeah, oh my god, but I don't give a shiz.

Speaker 1: 35:30

Who you are, what you look like, what your pronouns or what your preference of who you do the dirty with is. If, if you see someone like that Mm-hmm proposing those things and you're like uh-uh, I'm on your team, oh yeah you know, it does not matter.

Speaker 2: 35:51

There's a. There's still some just red-blooded freedomists out there who are, who are not gonna stand for that sort of thing, which we got to talk about that in a minute too but go ahead, and so I think it's something that we don't need to get stressed out about, whatever it be. Climate change, globalists, digital currency, ai bots Deciding that it's best to eat us instead of the Sun power we can get all stressed out about all that stuff, or we can just Kind of laugh about it, like we just did, but definitely don't don't turn a blind eye to it. Don't just bear your head in the sand about it. Uh, and don't don't go for the ostrich um strategy of, yeah, bearing your head and acting like it's not happening, because it's it's really is happening. It's not conspiracy theory stuff. There's just. There are very big, powerful people out there who are proposing loco things that, uh, the common man's gotta keep his eye on if he wants to have a rib eye and own a picket fence. Mm, hmm.

Speaker 1: 37:00

Pat, have you heard of our man Oliver, Oliver Gosh. What's his name right now? Oliver Anthony, in his new song Richmond, North of Richmond.

Speaker 2: 37:13

I have heard of this man.

Speaker 1: 37:14

Yeah, dude, oliver Anthony is causing quite the stir and I mean everyone's been talking about it, so I'm not going to like try to jump in this hype, reagan, but I do think it's very relevant. His song and his music is very, really kind of our message here at the make a patch show of you know like it here. I think you would. I'd love to have him on Um, you know, I just think, like when he was, you know his music and his songs and in his interviews he shows a very open hearted kindraness to anyone who has experienced frustration with the way things are right now.

Speaker 2: 37:50

Mm, hmm.

Speaker 1: 37:51

You know anyone who's kind of felt burned, forgotten by the system? Um, and I don't think there's any like, I don't think there's anyone class, color, creed, orientation that hasn't felt that way. I mean, if we're being honest, like the gay rights and trans rights and all that movement is the idea that they have been left behind. So I kind of don't understand why I see a lot of them like going out like saying, like man, this guy's, like right wing, fringe, ultra nationalist, nazi, and I'm just like what Are we listening to the same song? Cause it sounds to me like he's saying, hey, like I'm, like the, I'm with you, the rich men north of Richmond making all these decisions and you know, trying to keep us from like coming together and figuring things out Like that's the who I have the problem with and you should have rights just as much as I have rights.

Speaker 2: 38:48

And he, he, I don't know him. The chance he doesn't agree with your lifestyle. If that's your, if you're in that, that world, like you, might not agree with the way you live your life, but um it doesn't mean he hates you at all. Exactly, it's the.

Speaker 1: 39:02

uh, the fact that, and excuse me, uh, he had so I guess it's Squirt, cause a little bit of a flim in your I just just popped open a classic, a sleepover beverage.

Speaker 2: 39:14

Uh, squirt, I love the squirts and uh, wow, I think my throat's closing up. I have an allergic reaction. Anyways, first and background, if anybody is unfamiliar with this guy, basically he had like 3000 listens on his top song on Spotify. He had a couple hundred, maybe a couple thousand Instagram followers up until about three weeks ago when his song Richmond, a north of Richmond, uh, blew up like crazy. He now has millions of listens. He has one million followers on Instagram. That's, he has one million followers. That's huge overnight man. I think the White House has 1.4 million followers on Instagram, the White House, um, and he has a million overnight, so he's dealing with some, uh, he's personally going through, uh, um, I think, a little bit of internal crisis of this like fame overnight, cause he's just a farm boy who was picking his guitar and wrote some songs and, um, he just had a post come out where he's actually coming after the right the right right now. Did you see this?

Speaker 1: 40:32

I don't know.

Speaker 2: 40:33

Someone claimed that, but it doesn't seem very legitimate to me he did and what he posted was he said stop, stop politicizing this song and using it for, like your, for um, lots of, lots of the right wing has, like um, obviously latched onto him, um, and but then been using him and his music as like a combatant of the left and he's kind of. He came out with a post which I'd say he's probably is uh, right leaning conservative from what I've seen from him, but he's like don't politicize this song. This song was about everybody north up there, like everybody who's running this thing, and that's a left and right side problem as far as who's in power up there.

Speaker 1: 41:23

Yeah, I mean I, here's the thing. It's kind of hard. I don't have a lot of social media right either, so, like, sometimes it's hard to uh like sift through what is kind of trash, uh speculation or attempts to like get people riled up, cause I did see a lot of stuff where people were like trying to be like they're taking an interview he did on a context of like he was like yeah, I think diversity is a great thing for our country, like diversity is how. You know I'm putting words in his mouth to you right now, but essentially it was like diversity is like what makes us great, because we're melting pot and the idea is like people from all over the world come here and assimilate, assimilate to America to help improve America and like keep it better and keep it on the edge Right, um and uh. A lot of people were like, wow, you right, wingers are probably disappointed because he's pro diversity. And I was just like okay, and I don't even know a conservative who's against diversity.

Speaker 3: 42:27

Like I just don't.

Speaker 1: 42:27

I don't know anyone in my life, granted, I don't think I'm really that tight with like fringe right wing conservatives, you know right but, I, don't really know any conservatives who are like, yeah, we should just start sacred gating Right.

Speaker 3: 42:40

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 42:41

Like I can't think of a single one, um and uh, his, uh, you know his stance of diversity. I think his chair is like yeah, how do you think we won world war two? It was because a bunch of Germans and you know, jews from Europe came to America and said, yeah, so that sucks over there. Uh, by the way, we have this idea for a bomb, right, and it's like, okay, all right, and if it wasn't for those people, like Oppenheimer wouldn't have had a team. You know what I mean? And it was. It's like one of those things of like America is built on people who decided to leave a bad situation and come, leave it all behind, to be an American and assimilate into America. And part of the assimilation is America kind of gets to decide like, whatever good traits you're bringing, bring those in, and that doesn't fit, stays at the door. But every nation's do every nation does that dude, like I don't know about you, I think we've talked about it but like Europe for the assimilation of like people from the Middle East, specifically Islam and people who practice Islam, it pretty much like tries to reeducate him. Like just so you know, you'll go to jail if you be your wife here, like doesn't matter, if it's in your house. You can't stone her if she cheats. You can't stone your daughter if she has sex outside of marriage. Right, and like. There is like legit classrooms of, like you know, backwoods, rural Muslims wondering like the hell do you think you are to tell me I can't do that stuff? And it's just like it's not. Everyone points to those countries as like the model for America. I'm like then why are you against America assimilating people and like being the melting pot? Right, and essentially that's kind of what he was saying and everyone was trying to say he's like, anti, like. Also, if you're conservative, you must think he's now liberal because he's pro diversity. I'm like dude. I don't know anyone who would see that and be like. I don't know anyone who would see that and have a good argument counter to it.

Speaker 2: 44:46

Right.

Speaker 1: 44:47

You know. But also he said a lot of stuff that I think is I don't know about you, but when I think about the people he said who's on welfare in that song he sings about it like you know, the fat people on welfare who aren't decided to get up and try to be better when they could be right. Well, fair is, welfare exists for a reason. Most people probably don't need it. Who are on it? But, like I think in myself, like I've heard a lot of people I don't know, it's hard to, maybe it ebbs and flows, but I think there's a lot of people who lean conservative, vote conservative and are obese on welfare, contributing nothing to society, living off tax dollars. You know what I mean. Maybe that's changed now and maybe that's just an experience of like who I saw, like most people doing that, like who are like you definitely don't need to be on welfare, but you are definitely too fat and lazy to get up and go get a job. But if you just got up and walked around your neighborhood and then applied for a job somewhere, you'd get it and you'd be able to do it.

Speaker 2: 45:58

Yeah, I think that's. It's less of a left and right thing, more of a poverty mentality thing. And I'm just saying in my experience, most people I've seen are conservative leaning on that.

Speaker 3: 46:09

But, again.

Speaker 1: 46:10

Most of those people I feel like live in rural places and you only know them if you're family with them.

Speaker 2: 46:16

Yeah, yeah, cause I feel like it'd be like the if you just had to put like straight delineators on. It'd be if you did, if you went and interviewed, if you you know what do these people in the inner city look like?

Speaker 3: 46:35

who are on welfare and they need a poverty thing.

Speaker 2: 46:38

And then who are also like your trailer park type. Okay, what, who do the? You know one, you know. Both of them are. They're they're probably different sides of political spectrum, but their mentality around you know their that poverty mentality is. I think the Excuse me, they're. The poverty mentality is what drives that and their political leaning is just kind of based off their surroundings.

Speaker 1: 47:11

No, yeah, that's a good point, cause I actually did know quite a few like friends who lived inner city, denver and stuff, and their parents definitely were hustling and their parents were definitely out of welfare. Um, I even had a friend in high school whose mom and dad were on welfare but slung a bunch of dope Like just. I've never actually like seen anything come close to it, like the amount of like just dope that they were slinging and it blew my mind and I was just like I hear about this stuff but they're like bricks of it. You know what I mean and, like you know, you knew the kid at school who'd sold weed but like not like that, and so I just always so you're right, there is like a lot of and they are definitely not conservative. You know what I mean. So, like you're right, it is probably definitely more of a perspective of like poverty, lower middle class versus your left, but anyways, I thought that was pretty crazy. His other songs, though I've really like enjoyed listening to his other music like he has one that's called I want to go home and bro dude, it's like, it's not like, it's really not like suicidal as much as it is just like praying to God to not wake up tomorrow, which is, you know you can be semantics there, but, like, as a believer, I've never really like gone close to putting a gun in my mouth, right. But there has been times where I've been so bummed and sad where I was just like Lord. You know, I really wouldn't mind if, like, I closed my eyes tonight and I woke up in heaven. You know, strike, strike me by a bolt of lightning, I don't know. You know Donnie Darko, the shit, and have an airplane engine fall through my ceiling. You know, but like, and that like is most often like when you're, you know, your heart broken over a chick or something, or you know you're so overwhelmed with, you know, school finals or whatever it may have been at the time, and you're overstressed. But like that song there's just in the lyrics I was like man, this guy really gathers that feeling really well, like, better than I've ever heard in a song of, like, you know, the desire to go home, be at home with the Lord, and he had a line in it too that I thought was really good and it made me think about like, how we've talked about it. Like we have all our friends who've walked away from Jesus and you know the wonder if they ever really were like believers at all. Yeah, and he had this line in his song is like asking if anyone's still praying, if anyone does it at all, and it was. It hit me because I was like, yeah, sometimes it really does feel like man. It's really just a few of my friends who I think still pray every day and I would wager majority of the ones that you know I would have expected to still be praying every day, haven't prayed in years. You know. It's kind of it was just like one of those things that really captured kind of that feeling of loneliness, isolation and not being suicidal, but also knowing that if I believe in God, if I believe in heaven, then it's got to be better than this, you know. So it was. He's just. He's just very po-act and very good at capturing emotions in his music.

Speaker 2: 50:45

Yeah, I think that. I think there's. I think that's why his song hit so many people. I got that song texted to me by like four different people. I'd already seen it and like four people and Can.

Speaker 1: 50:58

I text it to you.

Speaker 2: 50:59

I feel like I did probably you may have, but I had like people who like really never send me music, like they were sending me his song and it was like the yeah, all these people sending me his song, and I think it just connected with so many people and the, his the, what he felt in that song, the words he was saying, one hit like home for so many people. But then also his realness and his the there was. No, he didn't. When he wrote that song he didn't think about you know what chart it was going to top. He didn't think about writing it for the producer. He like all he did was sit down and write a song about, about his own experience.

Speaker 1: 51:50

Did you see the video that he released like a day before it went online, mm-mm? So he did a video just recording his truck. He was like so I've never really recorded much before, I've only played live shows. And you know, richmond North of Richmond is going to go live tomorrow on a radio, wv Radio West of Virginia, which is a YouTube channel. They just pretty much put up like really good country musicians, bluegrass, local folk musicians, and he's like we'll see. You know it'll be the first time doing anything like an actual studio recording and who knows what's going to happen. But just once you all know I appreciate you for sticking with me this far and hopefully it rides out well, you know, god bless. And like it's just, like geez bro, like you're looking at him, it's like him and his dog and his truck and it looks like it's raining outside and he's like that man died when he went to bed that night. Yeah, yeah, Because the next day was a was a new man.

Speaker 3: 52:53

You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 52:53

Like his life was never going to be the same. Oh yeah, like. His Spotify profile picture is literally like a profile picture. It's a picture of him with his dog in the background. You know, it's just like you know it was, from what I can tell, no PR team. No, no, you know, big social media.

Speaker 1: 53:12

I don't think he signed with anyone yet and hope he doesn't, he doesn't need him yeah, he.

Speaker 2: 53:18

So hopefully he personally makes really good money from this exposure. Also hopefully he doesn't. Either one get wrapped up in the in it or two get jaded by it.

Speaker 1: 53:35

Yeah, my big hope is that he just, that people just end up laying off. Like that they realize, like it's not. It's not getting enough clicks or hits to be trying to make a controversy out of them. Just let the man do his thing, let the man make music, let people listen to it and enjoy it. But anyway, it's glad we got to talk about that. I've been meaning about, talked about talk about that for a little while, but you were sick last week.

Speaker 2: 54:01

I was. I was down for the count.

Speaker 1: 54:04

In that kind of, no kind of country. I'm almost done with Lonesome Dove.

Speaker 2: 54:10

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:10

And you got to get on it. Dude, I got to catch up. Did you get the audible book yet?

Speaker 2: 54:14

No, I'll do it tonight.

Speaker 1: 54:16

You were so sick last week. You had hours of time you could have been listening to it, dude, I just got to this part where this doesn't spoil anything. I just got to a part where a a bull, a Texas longhorn, is in Montana as they've made the drive up and a grizzly bear comes out and there's like the standoff because all the other cattle run off. The horses have never seen a grizzly bear and like or frightened even the best horses in the remuda and they're discussing like what do we do? We're like too far away to shoot it and that longhorn is going to go over there and if it goes over like it's torn to shreds, we won't have a bull. Yeah, cause it. And it's like I don't even. It's been boning the whole time up here so you'll probably have a few bulls here soon, right, but like it was kind of like one of those things of like that ornery bull has been with them the whole ride and it's a younger bull too. Like it's not like the biggest bull you've ever seen, it's like a young, just on its lonesome Texas longhorn and they're like everything they're trying to do is try to get their horses closer so they can like scare this grizzly off, shoot it off, and the horses just won't do it. They're even like bucking their riders off, which is kind of interesting because you never really see that portrayed right. And then the longhorns pawing at the ground and bellowing and you know the grizzlies like, and on its hind legs and just, and then it gets on all fours and they start kind of side stepping and then the bull charges bro. And it has to be one of the best literary descriptions I've ever seen in my life, because wherever I listened to in my life I guess I didn't read it, but just listening to it narrated and the way it's described this fight scene between them, it's just absolutely mesmerizing and like it feels like someone's describing, you know, t-rex fighting a Triceratops.

Speaker 3: 56:24

Like, just like.

Speaker 1: 56:24

It's like a classic like apex predator versus thing with horns. It's awesome, bro, it's so good and it just took me immediately. I was like good God, can you imagine being someone who you know? Maybe you're in the one of the Armies north, south, whatever in the Civil War but you've pretty much spent your whole life now in Texas? You've seen some black bears, you've heard of grizzlies, you've seen pictures, but the biggest damn thing you see all the time is Texas longhorns. And then you get somewhere for the first time in your life. Your horse won't walk forward and it's this horse you trust is bucking you off and you can see this giant golden brown bushel of fur standing on hind legs and you're like that's going to kill that longhorn. That's going to kill the biggest thing I've ever seen in my life. And now I'm really scared. You know what I mean. I was trying to picture what it was like to be. Those guys did it up into that country, being the first ones up there.

Speaker 2: 57:30

And it'd be wild and it was funny too. It's probably the biggest thing the grizzly'd ever encountered besides another grizzly.

Speaker 1: 57:40

It was like hmm, it's a big guy, I guess. Well, there's big horns. You know what I?

Speaker 2: 57:44

mean, you know, those big old pointy horns? Oh man.

Speaker 1: 57:49

Yeah, I'm a really big fan of the idea of doing a book club Me too.

Speaker 2: 57:53

Me too. I was Ed, and in our one of our other podcasts where we talked about Blood Merendian, I've become a big book guy, so we need to. I think we'll start doing it. I think we will have a couple other people on for it too, but I was thinking too like certain books.

Speaker 3: 58:12

Who do you think would come?

Speaker 2: 58:13

on. I think a couple folks would come on. I think a couple folks would listen to it or read it and then hop on. And I was thinking too, though, do we do like a whole book in one sitting?

Speaker 1: 58:25

Because I mean that's hard but I'd be down to do it and like like, I think, the big books that I like, like Blood, meridian.

Speaker 2: 58:35

Lone Some Dive. Those are big ones.

Speaker 1: 58:37

They have acts, though you know it's like acts one, two, three, and so I'd be down to discuss like the acts you know and brevity and stuff, but I feel like it's best to talk about them after having read them in completion, because at that point you know, if you talk about act one, as three weeks later, before you talk about act two, anyone who hasn't been reading them or listening, you know, might forget what happened, that's true. So, doing like back to back episodes of, like book club Blood Meridian, act one, two, three, I think I think that'll be cool. I mean, you got to catch up, dude. I got, I essentially listened to a book a month, sometimes two.

Speaker 2: 59:21

I'll catch up. I'll catch up at lightning speed. It'll be incredible.

Speaker 1: 59:27

There's some D&D books that are out there that are they're pretty well written, they're like pretty popular, like I would say, like they don't even have to be young adults because they can be pretty graphic at times, I would say like violent. You know, but my wife, billie Jean, started going to the ladies book club. Oh really, and it's going to be her turn soon to pick a book. I said, babe, how funny would it be if you told them ahead of time that the book you'd be picking is book one in the twenty seven book series of tritz. Do Erdon the dark elf from Menzo Baron's on and like I was just like all those girls as the first book please. I think you could pick about with, like, whatever it really is.

Speaker 2: 1:00:13

Oh yeah, so funny. And then like.

Speaker 1: 1:00:16

The irony would be like how many of those girls are just going to be polite enough to now say something to her? But, just like make their own group message and just be like what we have to be done with this.

Speaker 2: 1:00:27

She wants us to read what, and I think this is good. This is good.

Speaker 1: 1:00:34

Well, thanks for joining us here at the making pass show. We appreciate. You can definitely stay tuned as things have been getting finalized. I know we've been talking about for a while but honestly, it's just way more work than I ever thought it was going to be to get up like a company set up and get like things in order with, like, our company name on it and, you know, join access, bank account and all that jazz. I'm happy we're doing it together because you already have experience doing that stuff, but, dude, I'll be honest, it's been a stressful thing. It's a lot of work. Truth be told, getting that website done is taking a backseat to kind of the more financial idea of things and getting things filed. So anyways, ken, soon we'll have a website out, soon you'll be able to see a number there and Colin and leave his voicemails real. You know, plan on air. If your family please don't call us and leave family matters on the voice, it won't get played out. Just Pat and I will hear your family baggage. But yeah, it would kind of be cool. We want to do like a life advice segment. You know where you call in and ask a question and we give you terrible advice. I have an email listed on the website too for just like any kind of feedback or questions or anything like that. And then Pat's been just perusing but seems like we might have a Patreon soon.

Speaker 2: 1:02:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, patreon action so you can support the show. If you'd like to get on there and help support the show, help it go somewhere. We'd love that. So we're getting that all squared away.

Speaker 1: 1:02:15

Yeah, all 35 of our Papua New Guinea village listeners can use the village budget to support us for making podcast episodes. This is true, just kidding. You spend that money better than I else. That's the one thing. I'm just going to make fun of anyone who gives us money. Oh yeah, you know, like it doesn't matter what tiered is on the podcast page, like there's other things to spend your money on, don't give it to me. But if you want to because you have a, you have a shame kink. You know you like people making fun of you. I'll do it happily. I'll dance, I'll be your monkey Alrighty. Thanks for joining us, kid, till next time.

Speaker 2: 1:02:58

Go.