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Our last few episodes dealt with some of the heavy, darker, and depraved side of humanity. Let's breathe easy and take a break. On this episode we're kicking back with our friend Dean and shooting the breeze.
Ever wondered about the thrilling world of rooftop tents? We've got the inside scoop for you! Join us on a journey with our friend Dean, a seasoned pro in the industry who debunked our fears about the security of these tents and painted a vivid picture of the international rooftop tent market. If your curiosity is piqued, you're in for a treat!
Pack your virtual bags and venture into the great outdoors as we travel down memory lane, from our carefree solo camping days to the joy and challenges of group camping. Plus, we'll share some hilarious college tales that are sure to tickle your funny bone!
Lastly, we wrap up with a heartfelt thank you to our listeners and a peek into our future projects - keep your ears peeled for our upcoming limited series and more! Let's reignite your love for the outdoors and provoke thought on the skills that truly matter in life. Tune in, you won't regret it!
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Well, hey folk, hey Kim, Thanks for joining us today. This is the Mckin Pat show and we are blessed with the presence of a guest of ours and a friend of ours, dean. Go ahead Say hi, dean, what's up everybody? Yeah, so Dean's been a homie for gosh dude, what year did we meet Probably 2017.
Speaker 2:Yeah, are you getting the same age? No, okay.
Speaker 3:But a mix an old timer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dean is just a good friend, goes to the same church as Pat and I, but he travels around a lot. Dean, what do you do for a living, because you're often out of town?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do. I wear a couple of different hats for the company I work for, but one of which being sales, the other which being marketing. So I'm at a lot of trade shows and expos and I work for a rooftop 10 company. So it's a startup. So in the beginning phases we're really trying to get the word out there, get the product in front of people's eyes, and a lot of business we do is international. So I don't do as much international travels I do here in the States, but it is sprinkled in there.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, I was gonna say I was surprised when I found out you were over in Europe selling tents and I was like no, it's cold, bro, I get it, but it's like that over there. I guess there's a lot of woods and I did see a decent camping culture when I was in like Norway, but like there's one of guests that like that was like a worth the like finances to send you over there for the for the market, but I guess it's a big market over there.
Speaker 3:Germany is the third largest market that we have. That is, in the whole rooftop 10 industry Germany is the third largest yeah it's crazy. And a lot of people will travel from neighboring countries to go to shows when we're there. So we'll get a lot of people from Switzerland and France and up north as well. So it's big. I was there for a couple weeks this summer in a couple different areas in Germany and they're interesting people, to say the least.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you have a rooftop tent?
Speaker 3:I do have one. I had. I had one from a different brand, that is. That's was much cheaper. That one is currently sitting in my garage waiting to be sold, but I get free access to any of the ones that we've got at the shop.
Speaker 1:So you say you had something big on your roof rack on Sunday, yeah, or is that just the roof rack? The roof rack is just that intense.
Speaker 3:No, that was the tent, that was a tent yeah. Yeah, it takes up most of your roof space. We do have. We do have a single man tent that we're releasing. It's pretty, it's pretty small, it's about half the size of your roof, but it's pretty. Cough and ask yeah, Some people like that.
Speaker 1:I actually like that camping. I prefer tighter enclosed space camping.
Speaker 3:It feels warmer and cozier.
Speaker 1:It just feels like less, like something will find me. Yeah, you know, I mean like the idea of like. It feels like I'm just nestled up between two logs.
Speaker 2:Like something will just step over and just keep going. This is funny because in this case you're like on a car, yeah.
Speaker 1:You're like on like a, like something that doubles the height of the car. Yeah, okay. But, here's the thing I don't Dean. I don't want to bust your nuts, but I do want you to kind of sell me on my concerns of a rooftop car said, because I'll tell you what. At one point I was like this sounds sick. And then I was like wait a second. And now I have questions. So you know, of course we're not going to say your company or anything like that, because I don't want you to get trouble, especially if you give like a bad answer. I don't want them to be like how are we doing this? But I do have questions for you. This is not the whole episode, by the way, but I do kind of want to see if you can answer these questions.
Speaker 3:Okay, go for it.
Speaker 1:All right, dean, first up scenario one. All right, I am driving my forerunner with my rooftop tent and it is on top of it and I, as I'm like, driving around, I'm not going camping, I'm just parking my forerunner in a car garage. How hard would it be for someone to get that tent off that rack? Like how much time do you think, on average, would it be to be like like damn, those tents are $1300. I could at least yeah, at least.
Speaker 3:So a lot of them far more expensive. Yeah One, it depends on the rack that you have, because some racks make it pretty accessible. But for me personally, like if you, if you're using like a regular, like wrench to get one of these on your rack, I'm using.
Speaker 1:I'm using like fentanyl user supplies. So yeah, you're going Craftsman tool kit set. I just stole out of the back of your truck.
Speaker 3:It is not only going to take you hours oh really Not, because it's actually that difficult to put on but without like a good quality tool, you're doing a quarter turn at a time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for these nuts.
Speaker 3:And if it's just one of those things where the quarter, the sheer amount of time it takes you to do one quarter, turn in time you'll probably get more annoyed and just give up before you actually get it off. And not to mention, you have to have a few of your potential crackhead friends with you to get it off, because it's probably closer to $1300.
Speaker 1:Let's say, I just like pawn that thing for five. Oh dude, $500 buys a lot of fentanyl, dude.
Speaker 2:So I'm just saying it might be worth the investment for some of our fentanyl users after the show, because those tools you're talking about I've got eight sets of them in my truck.
Speaker 1:There's more money in that than there is in Cadillac converters.
Speaker 2:Yeah and we've got, and we've got the expert with us, so you'll know where how to get them off fast. Did I say Cadillac converters? I was, I was, I was letting this slide.
Speaker 1:It's my dimension, it's getting worse the but the.
Speaker 2:and how does it's like? How do you?
Speaker 1:wait, hold on. I'll let you time formulate that, because I have another two scenarios. I keep going, keep going. I say it's easy to see it's really easy to put measures in place to make it impossible Make it more inconvenient, like it's more convenient to hot wire the car than it is to steal a tent.
Speaker 3:I have only heard of one person ever having one stolen off their car, and it's just because it's a huge pain in the butt, sure.
Speaker 1:But OK, I'm car tent camping now. Okay, I'm out in the boonies, all right, I, you know, put on my rock crawl. You know, put my rock crawl setting on on my land cruiser. And like I'm off the trail, there's no bench to set up my stove cook and like a dingus, I just have my jet boil on that nice flat supported interior tent and I'm just jet boiling my beans while looking out my unzipped front tent door. That's how she call it.
Speaker 2:Sorry, what Jet boil? Jet boiling your beans.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, what else do you jet boil, other than I can't have beans as some coffee. Dude jet boiling chili and beans is delicious.
Speaker 2:I don't care what people say. I was jet boiling my beans the other night behind a gas station.
Speaker 1:That's disgusting, you know you met, that Definitely my beans in a dark alleyway. Why is it got to be a dark spot in public? Why don't you guys do that at home?
Speaker 3:I was jet boiling my beans in broad daylight out in front of the town square.
Speaker 1:You both are married too. Why are you jet boiling your beans, bro? All right, sorry, you go on. You've got an open flame in your car tent and I tip it over right that nylon upholstery, whatever tents made out of my you know down sleeping bag, like classic movie scene. You know that's the gas exploding, the gas station explosion. How quickly is it to like? What are my options to like? Really get that off. Like, how hard would it be to rip that tent off if it's on fire and I don't want it to burn my car down?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, what I would personally do is actually close up the tent, like entirely because it's the ones that we have, our aluminum shells. Oh, they're aluminum shells and just starve it basically.
Speaker 1:Just try to smother it that way. And but that's assuming that I'm dumb enough to have an open flame inside of this nylon tent, bro, have you seen the people who buy tent?
Speaker 2:You don't rip the tent you don't sell a cooking accessory flat top accessory so you can sear stakes in your tent. Don't cook in the tent, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's just one of those things like most people should just know that you don't have a fire going.
Speaker 1:You say that like you haven't been camping before. Have you seen how dumb people are when they go camping? Jet?
Speaker 3:boil is not as big of a deal in my opinion. It's pretty. It's pretty small and, yeah, and it's probably pretty easy to contain for the most part. Sure, I wouldn't have, don't have your like it's the sheer instability of a jet boil that I think is scary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's like it's teeter tottering on a pen, if I don't know why would you even bring that, when you could just plug in your George Foreman to your like a DC outlet on your car. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, it's getting to that point for sure.
Speaker 1:I would do it Like dude, george Foreman, grill out camping, that's bombcom, all right. Last question, and this is the one of the most common scenario I hear from people who are the critics of roof wreck tents Mm, hmm, I get my roof wreck tent set up. You know, it's all there Camps kind of set up and I'm like, oh shit, I forgot XYZ, I need to run to the store.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I got to take my tent down so I can drive away to go get groceries in town and come back, mm hmm. Bar is argument against that? I mean, what's your argument against that tent man?
Speaker 3:The first 10 that I had. It would take me like 10 to 15 minutes pack up and it really didn't feel worth it. The company that I work for we advertise about a 60 second setup, but it can also be done about 30.
Speaker 1:So you're saying like it is a scenario, let's say, let's say medical emergency medical emergency.
Speaker 2:You know you got to get out of here. I mean, you can see, just drive off.
Speaker 1:Just drive off, let that thing like get like massive roof wreck. Tent on like a Subaru, you're just wheeling with the same resistance, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm imagining just looking like Christmas fakie.
Speaker 1:Well, I was gonna say this yeah, and this was an opportunity for you to be creative here. Okay, yeah, pat's wife's name on the podcast, her nickname is Mace Windu Mm. Hmm.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Mick, me, me, me, wife, me. Wife's name Nombre is Billy Jean.
Speaker 3:Billy Jean.
Speaker 1:Billy Jean Mace Windu. So Dean, let's say your wife, who is? What's her name? I?
Speaker 3:don't know you got any ideas.
Speaker 1:Did. I don't know her middle name.
Speaker 2:You could go with Jerry Lewis. You could go a black widow, because of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis.
Speaker 1:Jerry Lewis, all right, yeah, all right. Let's say Jerry is injured and, like you, got to give her a ride into town to the closest hospitality. Mm. Hmm, do you just toss the sleeping bag and pillows out and then just close the tent up and roll?
Speaker 3:You can close all that stuff inside of the tent.
Speaker 1:What you can sandwich it down. Yeah, no, you lie, just leave them in there.
Speaker 3:I don't lie.
Speaker 1:What about, like your air mattress? Or your?
Speaker 3:Well, it's got a mattress inside of it already, oh, it does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't know already had a mattress inside. I thought it just was like taut ribbed fabric and you just blow up your mattress on top of it.
Speaker 3:Mattress is already inside. Whoa, not inflating, it's just there you can keep your sleeping bags.
Speaker 2:I don't use ribbed fabric when I boil my beans, sorry, I just you just look at them and I'd like to do something you can't encourage it. Listen, this is my brain, I'm trapped in. So rooftop tents, they've come a long way.
Speaker 3:They have yeah.
Speaker 2:Here's a, so it sounds like. For years you can collapse it down and just go. It's pretty sweet. But here's the question To not look like a douche, do you need more or less accessories on the car once you get a rooftop tent?
Speaker 1:I think a light rack is mandatory. Mm-hmm. Light rack.
Speaker 3:There is a beautiful balance. I would say there's a balance of functionality and looking like that overland douche oh yeah, right, like the guy that has thousands of dollars of things that he has never used, or and it's like when you're in the industry you can tell the difference between the people that use their stuff and people that don't. Yeah, I mean some stuff there's a lot of purposes and it's really great and it's very useful, and other stuff really does not.
Speaker 1:Since I stopped being a bachelor, I really cut down on my camp. In time I probably camp a quarter as much as I did when I was a single man. And I'm talking like single, like not dating anybody Right, Just Especially with where we live. There was times where I would like just go and camp.
Speaker 3:Well, let me ask was that primarily because Sunday night. Yeah, you know what I mean Is that primarily because your wife does not actually really enjoy camping that much, because you have a job.
Speaker 1:I have a job and I have a wife who does enjoy camping when it's warm, when it's like Like well thought out and planned and like controlled and there's like you don't feel like you're missing anything, mm-hmm, I used to just love sleeping in the fresh air and just like being able to roll up throughout the tent real quick. I had a one man I still have it A one man REI tent that was just so easy to pop up and toss down and sometimes I would just do that when I got real stress. I did that freshman year a couple of times. I would just Me and someone else would just roll up the canyon and just toss tents out for Saturday night, sunday night, thursday night Didn't really matter. My first class was at like 11 am, but it was I just like. Those were different. You know the very different times. I was also way more content with like If it sucked. Like I found pleasure in the suck. And now I would not, because I'd be like, if my wife is unhappy, if Billy Jean thinks this sucks, then it's like, then it's going to suck like.
Speaker 3:I see I'm in this process right now and this could lead me to a total dead end where I'm Trying to convince Jerry Lewis that she likes camping a good amount and with like the gaslighting her. With the Helpful and necessary accessories and things that can give her what she wants out of camping the reality is the guys like camping because it's it's uncomfortable and it's Kind of unpredictable to some sense, and I don't think all guys do I would say like I've had to drive for guys.
Speaker 2:I was like there's something about like a Harkening back that's my favorite within, like also like a feeling of winning the West. Hmm, I feel like you know, whatever that thing is, whether you're doing that like kind of get it.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'll be honest, you know, for me it's just Getting away. It's literally just like being able to do it Mm-hmm in, smell fresh air and then just like Not have it be like a big deal. Yeah, like the elite. My least favorite part of camping is when it becomes a big deal. My favorite part of camping is like at least the thing I miss most about it is like it's not a big deal if I just get in my car, drive up to one of my favorite spots I got the most comfortable Tossed down, go to sleep looking at the stars, get up, come back and like no, no, most even, sometimes no one even knew I was gone. You know, I mean sometimes my roommates didn't even know I was gone. Right, it was just like convenient, easy, not a big deal, and now like if I was to do it.
Speaker 3:It's gotta be, it's gotta be planned out, it's gotta be thought out. Yeah, you're coming to Iraq and our place here.
Speaker 1:Because, see, women are the exact opposite exact. Do you like doing the planning? Do you like how like thought out it has to be now like that, you're not just responsible for yourself.
Speaker 3:No, but I have Ways to combat that being necessary, which means, like I drive an old Land Cruiser, I keep my camping stuff in the back all the time, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:So you do? Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3:My tents and sleeveless are always in the back of my for yeah, so if Jerry Lewis likes things to be a little more planned and organized, I'm five steps ahead, because that means all we got to do is go to the store and get some groceries and then Bop up to the mountains for an evening. Mm-hmm but that's assuming that I have like all the other necessary steps Like accounted for so that she's not uncomfortable when we're going to camp, because there's like surprising certain things that she really wants, which is like, for some reason, like going to bed and having like a nighttime routine is like something that's a valuable for Mace. My wife miss when do a creature of routine.
Speaker 2:We, yeah, billy Jean is a creature I think to talk about routine on this a little bit like I like routines only so that I can break them, like that's like what gives me life is breaking routine, because I, though, I have to have the routine so that it can be broken or else I'm in complete chaos. But like Whatever, like something's going on in life, you're just doing your normal thing, but then you get a call a buddy needs to get picked up.
Speaker 3:You're like best day ever, all right, and you're jet-blowing beans in public.
Speaker 2:Exactly. I'm just like and it's a One guy I actually talked about a guy last week about this. He said it was context switches in his life. He's like when I was younger I loved context switches all the time, like, think context switches in my life, I love them. Now it's like I got older, I don't like them as much. Context switches yeah, picturing like a and he was talking in the in, like you know, kind of like the same same thing. I'm talking about where you go. All right, I am, it's the end of my day, I'm about to sit down and eat dinner and then, like, watch a show and then go to bed. That's like what you're about to do. But then it's like, okay, I'm sitting down to eat dinner and like I get a call that like, yeah, buddy broke down. Or I get a call that like of my rental property had a pipe breaker. I get a call that you know, but my other side gig company has it has a crisis. You like get excited about that because you want to go. Like you like, oh, let's, let's go. You know I could say you, you, you ramp up, you turn on, you go deal with the problem or whatever it is, versus Someone who for some people that is like exciting, for other people that totally just derails the routine.
Speaker 1:I think it was exciting at one point, right, it's not that exciting to me now.
Speaker 2:Yes, so that's what his thing was. As you get older, context switches get less exciting.
Speaker 1:I think that's because you realize how much it interrupts the other people around you. Mm-hmm like that, if you don't have people around you, then that's what I'm saying. It's awesome, yeah, but like and Like I used to in high school go and pick up homies who were too blitzed, mm-hmm. And college I go pick up homies who are too blessed, like in the middle night.
Speaker 2:If I woke up, is it best day ever there, I was like let's go, yeah, get.
Speaker 1:and bring him home and take him to like Waffle House. Dude used to be tire repair guy where, like, if anyone's tire blew, mm-hmm. They'd call and asked me to come help them change their tire or whatever. Mm-hmm also was I hear something in my house guy yeah, it was like like that happened a couple times in college were like the Like all girls house would call the me in my room is to be like we all feel like we hear something and like, but we're all in this other room and it's like it's probably your house.
Speaker 3:House was made in the 1920s.
Speaker 2:You live in a college town, your house hasn't been greased, literally like elf and he's like he calls in the movie elf, it will fair call. It's like it's. It's it's making this noisy. It's okay, but that's the radiator, that's the radio.
Speaker 1:But it was. If anyone called me now it's like, hey man, I got flat tire, can you come help me change it?
Speaker 3:I'd be like no, I Can't it would be like Like five hours. I'd be like dude, it was an hour sleep.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, if someone called me at night, I'm not answering, bro. The way I sleep now is so different than how I slept as a bachelor, you know? I mean, like I'm, I'm in deep rem. I got my sleep app. I got my headband with my head, bluetooth headphones incorporated in it. That's covering my eyes. Yeah, I got the white noise air filter fan in the bedroom. 50 bro dude. I'm just saying like if someone calls me I'll hear it, like my phone will ring and if I look it's not like Mom I'm hanging up like I'm just ignore that Like, but also like. Let's say it wasn't dead of the sleep time. Let's just say it's like Middle of the day I'm working from home. So it was like hey dude, I got flat tire on you know to the highway, can you come give me? I'm like look man, we are both Approaching 30. If you don't have that spare tire and know how to change it right now we got bigger problems. I'll tell you what. This weekend I will come over with a beer like a six pack and we will learn how to change a tire with like together.
Speaker 2:But like it's a right now Except and if you don't have like a credit card with a big enough limit to like get yourself out of this situation. Like you know, you won't have a friend. But so it's like you're at the point where, like your dad aged, you need to fall out of the nest. You got a handle. You gotta like I'm just too, I'd be like too prideful in some cases where it's just like I'm not calling my friend, I'm, I'm charging the tow truck or whatever like because I was too like I am the type of person who's like Would be riding dirty on the no spare tire. You know, like with now that I have kids it's a little different, but like yeah, I am that type of person. Just be like yeah, it's fine. And then you find yourself in trouble and you know I thought that was funny me have a college story from a the flat tires man, because we had this buddy who I Really like a thing, really like a fairly book smart guy, and he lived the down springs from here and he was coming up to visit and he made it like four miles from his house coming up north. And we get this call from him and he's like I'm broken down, or he's a flat tire on the side of the road. What do I do? And like he is. We're like okay, just change the tire. And there's four of us with a speakerphone sitting on the college couch. Welcome to him. Like, okay, like, change the spare tire. He's like where is it? We're like it's usually in the back your car. Like what type of car are you driving? Like some good, somebody's got the MacBook up. We're typing out. It's like whatever? Like 2003 Camry. Okay, you go in the back of your trunk and lift up the bottom of your trunk and, sitting right there, the tires right there. You know you didn't compartment. No, dude, we were on the phone with him for a solid hour and a half and he's like it's not there. Or like what do you mean? It's not there, it's not in the back of my trunk. Back and forth, so he's all this stuff, until finally we had to have a guy come. We had to have one of our friends, dads, who lives down there, come pick him up. But like, for an hour and a half we went back and forth with this guy on the phone of it's in your trunk. No, it's not in my trunk. He was just looking at the trunk in the trunk, yeah he was your father. Yeah, even the Petri dish kid knows where the freaking tire is.
Speaker 1:I would bet buddy, I've changed more tires than people with dads on average.
Speaker 2:Like by this point. And so the same guy, though also he joined the military and he called us. Some people need the military. There was a language there was a language barrier here, because he went back to South Korea and he he grew up in America, but he had his citizenship goes back and he's, joins up and he's like talking with us on the phone. He's like those things what do you call them that come out of the gun.
Speaker 3:We're like bullets.
Speaker 2:He's like yeah, yeah, those things. He's like those things get hot. I'm like yes, they do. In that, in the same same kid, though, to make a grilled cheese. What did he do?
Speaker 3:Put in the microwave, didn't he?
Speaker 2:No, he took a. He took a craft single, heated up a pan, stuck the craft single on the pan, that's it you know more steps.
Speaker 1:He didn't put mayo down first. He didn't put bread.
Speaker 2:He didn't unwrap the cheese.
Speaker 3:True, unwrapped it she.
Speaker 2:Bro dude, but he's like a straight-a student. Yeah, no, that I'm in quite a few people like that.
Speaker 1:I actually just was like mentoring a guy who just graduated high school, who's a lot like that, who, mm-hmm, fortunately way too sheltered by his parents, incredibly bright and well mannered, just someone who I'm just like he's gonna have a hard time in college, like he is not prepared for it and Like God forbid he's gonna be in any situation that requires Not intellect but just critical thinking you know, I mean. Which is weird because he was like he's very engineer minded and Is like can like solve a lot of things, not like on the he's got no tism or nothing like that, but literally just because of the shelter upbringing. I remember he was asking like like you know, string being kid tall, skinny string being kid glasses, like not sickly, but he just looks like he would die in a little pale. He looked like he died in a month, but we'll less than a month any. All of us would die without food for a month. He looks like he died in a couple days. Like that, now, no body fat, right. And I remember he asked me and it's fine, like there's nothing wrong with that, knowing how to do this, I don't anyone to feel bad. But he asked me he's like, what would I do? What should I do if, like, someone's bullying me and like now, like there's no, parents and teachers aren't gonna care because it's college? I'm like, oh no, I was like, all right, let's talk about it. And like it got to the point where, like we I wasn't telling him like you need to beat the snot on us, all right, but I was just like we're talking about it got to the point where it's like, well, how do I make a fist? Okay, like I had to, like had to show him how to like Stand and throw it without, like not what, this wasn't. No, like all right, jiu-jitsu one-on-one this was like Hurt them before they kill you. Like what a one right. Like go down swinging, like die with dignity, because like I Can not save you, and like this one-hour lesson.
Speaker 2:You're gonna die, but I'm gonna make sure You're gonna die, but like I'm gonna make sure all the people recording it like are like damn it, loose you know what that was some class best. They'll open hand double slap. But oh man, because I think that there's guys like that out there and I don't know what to what a solution is or if there needs to be a solution, because there's one guy know who? He joined Air Force, went Space Force Before he got out of Academy, got removed and got hired on as a contractor to the Space Force. I guess he was Air Force Academy, got taken out before he graduated. So he's probably he was like you know, he's under 21, gets hired by Space Force as a contractor. What are you talking?
Speaker 1:about Wait, hold on. That makes no sense. He went, he enlisted in the Air Force.
Speaker 3:Where he was at the Air Force.
Speaker 1:Academy. Air Force Academy the Air Force Academy. Okay, so he didn't go Air Force, then the Academy. He was at the Air Force Academy, not active duty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was remembering as it was. So he goes to the Air Force Academy like gotcha, second or third year gets pulled and Because they're like you should just contract for Space Force, so he's polls. Now he's civilian contracting for Space Force 330k a year yeah, just like. But like Literally a shell of a person, like there's nothing Going, there was nothing going on inside of like the soul or like the personality or the ability to like. Sounds like problem solve, like to change a tire. Sounds like Wang.
Speaker 1:Mao, hmm, wang Mao.
Speaker 2:Three body from three body, yeah you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, I would he be in the three, like he should be in the three body books is what it sounds like to me. Yes.
Speaker 2:He is Asia, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, no, okay, all right?
Speaker 2:No, you know he is. He's that, yeah, like that type of person is just that's working for him. Yeah, 330k a year. He also has no idea to do with it. He's not going to buy a rooftop tent. He's like I don't know. He's like probably sitting on like a couple mill, just like gosh he drives a Hyundai. Yeah, he's like I'm going to work the next day, Like I don't know what's the deal.
Speaker 1:I bet you money that he's going to buy a star and give it to someone he loves.
Speaker 2:Before they've seen each other in person.
Speaker 1:Well, it really happens in one of the books in the three body problem series and it's dude, just all the cash in the world, kind of that thing, you know. Like just all work, no play. And he just the UN starts a program to fund the space development of like the actual space force, like ships in space. And it's philanthropy to sell stars to philanthropists and you the more.
Speaker 3:We talk about the same guy.
Speaker 2:The closer the book is.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm sorry, the closer the star is in the book, the more money it costs and stuff like that, If it's got planets around it. I'm just like thinking like at that point, like if you got nothing to do, what do you do with that cash? I guess buy a star, you know what I mean. Give it away to the girl of your dreams, yeah, yep, fancy.
Speaker 3:I'm going to lob this out there, mick, and I'm not trying to, not trying to Merch your feelings again.
Speaker 1:All right, talk about how I don't have a dad again. All right, all right, you get any permission, bro, you don't need it.
Speaker 3:This is just this just stresses the importance of fatherhood.
Speaker 1:What does like the importance of Like yeah a person?
Speaker 3:raising, raising, well rounded individuals yeah capable sons and confident daughters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, bro, you should listen to our series. Thanks for team us up for a, I don't know if Dean's heard the series or not. We have a whole series on fatherhood, really yeah, where we interviewed like actual dads, oh yeah. Yeah so but actually on that question, fatherhood campy full circle real quick. Camping, pat. Is camping still fun for you, or did? It is like the dynamic of taking Mace Windu and the two little pets Out is a, I feel like, way different dynamic than just then being solo bachelor. I just need to eat a can of beans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it is way different. On a personal note, I have gone from the like I used to go with like shelter, wise atarp you know, to now I'm like, yeah, I'll buy an RV, you know like, like that sounds great, you know. So like, personally, I've shifted a little. And then also there's the On the family side of things. My boys are, they're pretty young to go camping, they do, and we've gotten out, like we've done a little backyard tent action, you know just like even sleeping in a tent without it being scary type stuff, and then Did a night out camping with my older boy. And I think like what I'm looking forward to is in the next couple of years we'll get back into the camping game. And I have this thing right now where I kind of just don't want to do anything. That takes a lot of effort. That's going to not create any memories. So, on one standpoint, it's good to get my kids out now as a you know, one and a half year old in a Three and a half year old, just to like like the backyard camping, to like Not for memory building but for building their their comfort level with, sure, with life in general, to. I feel like even like being able to like be cold for a night is going to extend your ability to actually do kind of anything hard in life, just the classic, you know, anything that you can learn how to suffer through, it's going to benefit you in all sorts of other areas of your life, and so I feel like I should be getting them out more to develop them in that sense. But from a memory building standpoint, it is like we're not going to put in a ton of effort for something that literally they're not going to remember at this stage. So probably like the next, like two or three years, you know, throughout the next two, three years, we'll start Getting out there where it is, like, you know, I boil think that we're literally in the middle of nowhere and we're just just parked off the road, you know, at a camp site, you know, type stuff. And so I'm excited to start doing that right now I don't. And it has totally shifted to where, as a kid, yeah, it was like Going camping just was the, in some cases, like the reason for existence, was like go out and camp and camp. Like me and my cousin growing up and family's growing up, we'd camp all the time and go out and just like, yeah, and we would always like me and my cousin as kids, we'd always take like less and less gear every single time, just to the point where it's like all right, like tonight, nothing. It's like all right, we're just going to go sleep in the field and like whatever, like sort of stuff, yeah, and that was great. Now I know I can do that. I just don't want to say like the like my philosophy on, like building a fire. I've built a fire with with a lighter, but also with Flint and steel and I can. I can do a bow drill fire. How I start a fire now is I screw my propane tank into my torch and I click the button and if fires right up, you know it's like the.
Speaker 3:I don't get the same thing.
Speaker 2:If I sit there and, you know, shave down a piece of Flint and then light it up, I'm like I'm not the same. It's not the same thing for me. So I'm excited to start shifting to a point in my life where I'm going to start passing those things on because I know I can do them. But it's just now for me. If I'm by myself, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go get a hotel or whatever. Even though I know I could survive. You know whatever like. That's the kind of like as the thing shifts, or yeah, I'm just going to turn on the propane torch, so yeah, no, I get that.
Speaker 1:I think, though, too. To encourage you, I think, uh, honestly, some of my earliest memories if not, I can't tell which ones came first. They can be pretty early or camping, and most of the time was just my mom taking me out for a night in like Michigan, you know what. I mean, and it was just like it's, so it's so easy. Michigan, because there's so many like flat, accessible, not difficult, you know, places to access to camp.
Speaker 3:Are you? Are you a troll? Are you from the UP?
Speaker 1:No, I'm a. I'm from Colorado. I just early years were in Michigan.
Speaker 3:Gotcha.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was born here, though Just lived there and lived in Michigan for a little while. Okay no, but the UP is like the UP you don't just like. Unless you live in the UP, you don't just go up there, you don't just go up there to camp, like that's a brutal camp and like experience.
Speaker 3:Like. Is it not beautiful during this time?
Speaker 1:It is beautiful, but like you can just get, like I mean most places, uh, you can get like within 10 minutes into the woods pretty quick and just be deep. You know dark woods and just surrounded by nature, at least in my experience from like the place where my families all live and spread out in Michigan and so like the UP is like oh, summertime, yeah, Fall, of course, go up there, see the, see the leaves change, probably too cold to camp, but winter spring, it's like what the hell you do on? Like why, why would you try to camp?
Speaker 2:out here. Unless you're like doing a survival documentary or something Like with a four year old, that's a no go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, not even, and no one.
Speaker 3:No one does that With a 40 year old, it's probably a no go.
Speaker 1:People take them ice fishing. That's what you do instead, like you go ice fish, you don't go camping the snow. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:That's right. I think my earliest, like my earliest memories I even talked about it on when we did the fatherhood podcast, when I was talking like earliest memories are from being with my dad, camping, camping, you know for sure, and those are, those are in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Probably three. You know three, three and a half years old, so pretty early. When was the last time you went camping Like not with the boys, but like camping with you, mace Windu and one of your kids, or something, or, I went, I took my boy out for like a real camping night a year and a half ago and then actually right out a year ago, and then we're looking at like four or five years on, like real camping. Yeah, and then, besides El Contin and stuff on my own with, with other people, but not with Mace Windu. Mace Windu hates the cold. I got to have it. Yeah, I got to have it dialed in.
Speaker 1:Billy Jean hates the cold too, which is all right. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's been times where I've been miserably cold camping it sucks. But like I can get through it and Billy Jean do not want to get through it, billy Jean want to like get in the car and get warm and consider elsewhere.
Speaker 2:They'd survive even better than us because they are tougher. But they would not on the afterwards, enjoy, have enjoyed it as much as we did. On the back end We'd be like, oh, that was you know, that's great. No, they didn't. I didn't like that, yeah.
Speaker 3:Comfort. Comfort is a big, a big factor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, and I'm also going to the point now where I'm just like I feel like I might as well just pull the trigger. I'm like a pop up.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I just like a fifth wheel camper, just because it's like the time it takes a setup compared to the time it takes to set up a you know three, four man sized tent, the envelope and air mattress and you know, get the ring covered on. You know, I mean all that stuff like it's just like it'd be less of a headache and I know my wife is going to be warmer, happier, you know stuff like that. So that's kind of. That's kind of where I'm at now at this point of, like heading towards camper life.
Speaker 2:That's what I was saying to her. It's like it's just, it's start you when you're younger, you know, turn up your nose at it and, as it goes, you just start to be like yep, rv, full bus, let's go.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm at the point now Stove refrigerator bathroom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm just looking at stuff and like what's just an enclosed mattress, like that's all, like just an enclosed mattress on wheels, cause I don't mind doing the cooking and everything I don't cook in a tent, you know. Yeah, I don't need to get changed to the tent, I've changed outside you know plenty of times, or changing the car even, and I'm just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So all I really need to keep her happy is just a bed on wheels.
Speaker 2:Sounds like the roof top 10.
Speaker 3:I think we've come full circle.
Speaker 1:Well done, Dean.
Speaker 3:Well done, so there are one rooftop 10.
Speaker 1:Anyway, it's funny stuff, funny stuff. Well, we were also talking about kind of reminiscent good old college days, and I have a good one. It's partly a confession. Billie Jean knows it, but I don't know if her friends know it. Oh yeah, and I don't know if her friends listen to this that much. But we're talking about college stories before we're airing on. And there's one I'm very fond of and I'll be sure to make sure not to use anyone's name because I have to protect my fellow agents. But we had a code, a code named group chat on group me. That was called Papa, oscar, oscar, papa. It is highly highly creative. Yeah, hey, girls will figure it out. But like it came about because our Bible study leader, who lived in the house he was living in this college house at the time that we all eventually moved into lived in like a year or two later and for some reason I don't know who's the first person to suggest to me is like what if we do the classic poop in a bag and light it on fire and just start leaving on people's doors, like leaving on like the other college homies that we know?
Speaker 2:leaving on their doors.
Speaker 1:And everyone was like, oh, dude, don't be so funny, bro. Like what if we go to that? And I like I missed the first one because I was dating a girl who was from out of town, I was like, guys, you know, I cannot leave her here to go shit in a bag, like she's like here from Wisconsin. Like you know how bad this will be for me if, like, I'm like, hey, I'll be back in like four hours, I'm gonna go shit in a bag and leave it.
Speaker 3:I got a storm, we got to do something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like no, I'd be like. So I was bummed. I missed the first time that happened, but then it became a routine. Yeah, I know after that, like we started like dude, like I think it was like later that summer we did it again and I was able to make it that time and like dude, just the absolute, like shit forgive my expression, right, but like shit, thrown against the wall of trying to figure out how to put a turd in a bag and like not lose any decency, like I was. Like it was hilarious because like all those were like all right, here, take your brown bags and it like we had like planned it right. So we're like, we're like and everyone this is the best part of the group we everyone had like different nicknames related to poops. Like someone's code it was Montezoo, was revenge, someone's nickname was a brown leader Instead of stars I can't remember we were, we were all like just different nicknames of like poop and we had been talking like everybody, you know, everybody like do not let it out, and he had any point of date no nicotine, no coffee, hold it off and everyone's like all right. And so that evening we like are all in this backyard and just got to hit out the paper bags and then walk off into different quarters of the backyard and I'm just like dude, I'm going to be caught dead picking up my turd and put it in the bag like some savage. Like I'm just going to open the bag up underneath my butt and poop in it and I just like use the tree as a base and as I'm doing that, the old dashing of one of my friends to just laugh at me while I'm doing that and he's literally picking up his shit and putting it in the bag and I'm just like what are you laughing at, you animal?
Speaker 3:Like he's got a plastic bag.
Speaker 1:No, he's got like a little hand. He's got like a napkin and not even like a paper towel, like barely covers figures. And he's like, laughing at me trying to poop with this bag. He's like what are you going to do if you miss? I'm like I'll figure that out, but I'm not going to miss your plan is not my plan. But it was pretty fun. We all got poop in the bags, had some big ones, all were joking about who's like got the bigger bag or whatever. And we started rolling around town and just leaving on people's doorsteps and lying on fire. And one of the best ones was just this college kid who I mean, like I said, we all knew each other. We didn't do like strangers or you know people who would have been upset about it. Well, I guess we knew people who'd be upset about it and we picked them, but they were friends and we did it in like out of a book. This dude comes out of his house and he is just like oh, real, real, fucking funny kids. Oh, I swear to God, I'll find you. I just like going all made and we're like in these trees trying not to like split our sizes, like laughing like kids. You know, did he stop it? Yeah, he like he did and he was like he like he did not find it funny at all. And then the next dude we went to was the worship leader for our, like, college ministry group. It was his house. We put it out there and he opens the door. I mean, it was pretty tall fires of flames.
Speaker 2:It was going. Yeah, it was going.
Speaker 1:And I was like, oh my gosh, I hope he comes to the door like puts it out. He comes and he's like open, ah crap, and like close, and it goes back with like just a couple of water pours out. He's like oh, and then he looks out at us and waves his face like you're going to see us. But he's like waving around like you, darn kids.
Speaker 2:And then he just throws it away. Would this have been a Z? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:This would have been a Chicago in native, all right, but it was so funny. And then we did you know, a couple more times. And then finally we did the one at the time where we weren't dating Billy Jean and I weren't dating yet but we were like good friends and stuff and I was like, look, guys, we're going to do this, like we need an alibi because they're immediately going to assume it's us. Like what other house would do this? Right, oh yeah, what other house would do it? We saved one bag of poop to burn on our own porch step.
Speaker 2:It's genius, you got to attack yourself.
Speaker 1:That's what you have to do. And so we have a couple of guys go up to like light the bag and put on their porch and literally, as they're doing it, our homie who's like driving us around his pickup truck. He's in his truck just like hunched down, making sure like anyone that drives by doesn't see him. He's open for us to like jump and dive in the back of and as he's doing that, like we hear like a chain of whispers, like he's whispered out his car window and the person behind me can hear him like from the block, like from a few cars away, and he whispered and he's like hey, he says that he sees so and so his car coming around. And it was like one of the girls, one of the girls who lived at the house, like on her way back from like studying at like on campus, like oh, and I like lead out from the car and I see my homie's like no, you like no, you like just back and forth, like trying not to give away, and like finally they're coming and like I like yelled it loud enough, that duck. And so they like light the bag and it starts going and they're like running and as they're running. I just see headlights come around the corner painting them. I just like got down and rolled in his car and they like idiots bro, they just like both deers step pivot crisscross and like, start running and like one of the roads up to me, I'm like why'd you stop? Like, why'd you stop? Like a dude, like no, no, no, no, no wait, she saw, bro, we're so good, no way. She's all like are you kidding me?
Speaker 3:So headlights directly on them.
Speaker 1:And like, after that, like I'm like we got to go, we got to go right out because, like I can hear the cars like pulling in and like the door hasn't opened yet, I'm like they're going to start looking around for you, like because they're going to know and they'll find us. We just sit here like we have to leave, and so we're running in. The truck is like starting to pull away and I was like screaming as we're like running, like jumping to the back of the truck, but there was still the one bag of poop in the back of the truck and someone slid into it and like the bag a little. And so, anyways, after that we're laughing. It's, it's pretty funny. There's the panic of us getting caught and so, like we got to go quicker. So I get home and the first thing I do, as soon as, like, I'm getting out of the bed of the truck, I'm taking off my pants, taking off my shirt, so I'm just in my boxers and I put that poop on the porch, light it on fire and I go inside and like any minute now we will be getting a call. It sure is like you know. Sure enough, the one of the dudes gets a call. You're like we know it was you. It means like what are you talking about? He's like we know, as you that put a bag of shit on our step and lit a fire and he's like pretty smooth, I got to give him credit. He's like wow, that's ironic because Mick is literally stomping out a bag of shit on our porch and like wait what? And so they like drove over and as they drive up, I couldn't have, I didn't plan this like any better, right, I was like I took a picture of it and I sent like a joke in the chat of like our like house group, me, not the Papa, oscar, oscar. I said it in the house group meals guys, we got porch, we got poop porch. Man, this is, this is war, right, and like we have to figure out who's doing this. And it was like oh man, oh dude, if that dude, this is ridiculous. And so then I am taking it out in like a like sweep tray to the trash can to dump in, as I hear these tires peeling around the corner and it's Billie Jean and her roommates and they're rolling up. I'm in my boxers, I like pissed, I'm throwing poop in the trash can. That's all burnt, it's my poop, yeah. And they're like wait, what? No, we know, it was you Like. Well, I said like this is how I knew they started really second guessing. They were like we saw so and so running from our house as like our roommate pulled up and I was like that's not even. That dude wasn't even out here with us tonight, like they don't know shit oh like you know. I mean like he was at home, he could come do Papa Oscar Right and so like it was just one of those things like perfect alibis, and it worked really well for a long time until one of our homies cracked like a fucking egg to his girlfriend. I don't know, it wasn't even a girlfriend, it was just like he was just over there playing games with them. Like they're playing like board games tonight and they like just pressured him and he broke like a fucking egg. And I guarantee you you and I both know who it is Like telepathically. You already know who it was and like Dean used to live with me by the way, we used to live in the same house together. It was just one of like one of like my prime time favorite nights because without a hitch bro, we got away with it. They, like, you know, totally gas lit them like. They totally like didn't believe we did it anymore after they drove away. So it was just like a conjecture of like who did it? Someone, someone, pood themselves, yeah, you know like, so someone's at fault here.
Speaker 3:Wait, what was the story with one of the more recent times that this was also one of our most famous players. So, toward your tail end of being there, that one of our roommates, you guys, got caught in the middle of it and some guy came out of the house to chase you guys and tackled one of our mates in the lawn. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1:I don't think I wasn't on that one. I wasn't on that, papa Oscar. Dude, I've never had anyone get tackled or caught.
Speaker 3:It was. It was apparently in like a fit of rage as well. No way it was funny, but like it was intense dude, I never got caught doing that.
Speaker 1:Papa Oscar, that was after my time, bro. Okay, I had graduated.
Speaker 2:You gotta be careful with those pranks. They start to get out outrageous.
Speaker 1:I mean, here's the thing, bro. I wouldn't be mad as long as like it wasn't actual, like as long as the kids did it were smart and didn't like put it on my like straw, welcome Matt. And then just burn my house down right, like I. I mean, I think it's hilarious. That's so funny that is like a classic, like a harmless bit of like, lol, just.
Speaker 3:There is this factor. Like you wish, you could just talk to these people and just like have a good time with them.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 3:You're just being laughed at right now.
Speaker 1:You just kind of got to like soak it in, yeah like the best part is like you always think they can see you because you're looking at them with like their porch light on in a fire and you're like there's no way they don't see me, like there's so much light, but really what's going on is like it's so bright in front of them there's no way they can see you. Like as long as you keep yourself chill and collected, it's just a funny, harmless prank. You just got to think through it first, right? Like don't put it on people's porches that have like an actual Overhang, right? So that way you don't start there like little cover. They don't come out of the house and they don't come out of the house. We did do that once, where we put it on and, not to know what you know, we did have to go up and put it out.
Speaker 3:That felt like. That felt stupid. Yeah, you're just like coming yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like really no one's home.
Speaker 3:I guess they're all maybe out Like at the bar being adults, leave it there, burned up, just on the porch.
Speaker 1:No, dude, no, you go put it out and then you just like Scrape it off onto, like the side of the porch or something like you, just like you.
Speaker 2:It's like you know, we're kind of just like looking at it like it's like them. At that moment the mob mentality just goes away. You're like, oh we gotta clean this up.
Speaker 1:It was over for me, but Dean and one of our other roommates was calm carp he they did something I don't know if you want to describe it. It's such a it's a harmless, stupid prank.
Speaker 3:But it was. It was just bad timing. Yeah, it was really bad timing. So there's this event that's going on for the campus ministry that we were with and the I can't remember where it was supposed to be at.
Speaker 1:You might be originally supposed to be in like a church in Boulder.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was. It was like a getaway sort of deal. Yeah, that got canceled. And so now they decide these, these girls decided generously, host it in their house Bad move. And we were going to do it. I think we were planning on doing it while they were gone and we knew full well that they were going to be there with Like a hundred people in this house, so we're there and it's prayer time and so perfect time to break, because everyone's eyes are closed. So we, we go down into the basement and the goal was that we were just going to defile one of their bathrooms. That was the goal.
Speaker 1:Wait, you said defile. We got to clarify because Pat Describe the story of defile. Yeah, no, that was, that was true defile.
Speaker 3:We just wanted to make this bathroom during this party unusable, mm-hmm, right, so we were going to take the toilet seat. Yeah and it was gonna be easy. It was not easy to get this toilet seat.
Speaker 1:Those seats are like sold.
Speaker 2:We.
Speaker 3:The fact that we were down there and did not get caught during probably 20 minutes of trying to get this toilet seat off. We would have broken the toilet trying to get off that's. That's what we concluded to. So we decided we were just gonna take the doors off of this bathroom because it was it was a bath. I'm gonna be, asked us from just that we were gonna take the doors. Mm-hmm, so we took the doors, that's we put them behind the couches in the basement. And While this is happening, one of one of the culprits is upstairs One of the girls in the house who were you dating her at this time?
Speaker 1:No, no, okay.
Speaker 3:That's also partly why stop?
Speaker 1:because we were exes? I was like yeah, it was a form.
Speaker 3:This can easily cross into like vindictive territory so me and one guy or me and a man named carp are downstairs trying to execute, and One of our others is upstairs.
Speaker 1:Is he? Distraction, was even distraction.
Speaker 3:He's at the top of the stairs, we're in the basement. She comes up to him and she says please, tell me, you are not pranking us right now. And he says, no, no, no, we wouldn't do that. She says, please, this is not a good time. You better not be praying us right now. He says no, we're not doing this. He sends us a text. He says abandon ship. And we already have the doors off the hinges and I say, no, we're not.
Speaker 1:All the people I know, dean is one of the ones I'm like most scared of of. Like, if I was, if I was, like we're into deep man, we got a board. I'm afraid Dean would like. Have you guys seen the movie panic?
Speaker 2:room.
Speaker 1:Have you guys seen the movie banner room? I'm afraid Dean would just shoot me for like a pussy just like no one's a bandit each, so we take the doors off.
Speaker 3:We finished in the doors off, we put them behind the couch. We go upstairs. We're stoked, we're, we think this. We really go back into prayer. This woman goes downstairs, finds doors off because somebody, when to go use the bathroom, comes back upstairs, alerts. One of those. This is hey, there's no door. She immediately comes around the corner, tears flowing out of her eyes and she's ready to fight. Dude, she's ready to fight. I do not take any of the blow out oh, the guy who was upstairs on guard and Immediately pull her into another room. I'm sitting there, I took these doors off and I'm not taking any of the heat right now.
Speaker 2:I think I remember seeing it, I'm sure she's.
Speaker 3:She is just screaming at what was like whisper swearing.
Speaker 1:It was like whisper cuss out at this. Going over that, since where I hear something coming from the kitchen and, like I remember, dean is like no, just like, oh my god, we.
Speaker 3:Immediately leave. We don't even finish event, we immediately leave and we all go back to house for, like, did we do something really wrong? Like, what are the consequences of this? Not even from the same point, like, are we gonna get pranked? It's, it's. How angry are these women at us?
Speaker 1:I don't think carp ever talked to any of them again, and I don't think he ever went back into that house ever again. Yeah, I get, because I thought it was a big overreaction, like I. Here's the thing there's like four bathrooms in that house. It's a massive house. Mm-hmm, it's like the, you know, the size of a sorority house, right? Yeah, really cool house and the reaction of like a disappointment, frustration, maybe embarrassment, like that's understood.
Speaker 3:The way it was executed Was, I think, way off the rails for the prank the problem is there was a lot of Like last minute planning and stress that went into this event, and we came in there with one thing in mind and it was to ruin the event.
Speaker 1:That doesn't ruin it, though that prank is not a bad, ruining prank.
Speaker 2:That's a.
Speaker 1:Convenience of like, oh gosh, someone took the alright. Well, hey, we have another bathroom you can use. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Well, it's just. I'm imagining a guest going downstairs.
Speaker 1:To go the bathroom. They're like ironic that there's not a door here in this house full of women. Is there another door I can go to, like another bathroom? And it's like, rather than being like, yeah, they like lost their shit. You know, it's like I was like, look, frustration warranted the way you handle it, holy glass house. Like you don't like. If that's the way you're gonna react, like you don't get to like say anything if anyone else blows up on you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I will say the prank to respond to this was actually Incredibly funny.
Speaker 1:What was that? I don't remember, because it was so dumb.
Speaker 3:Oh, classic girls, like what happened, sometimes doing dumb prank one of the girls in this house decided she went to a garage sale and she found these giant, giant, really ugly lamps and she thought that it would be hilarious to buy these lamps.
Speaker 2:They're still sitting in the freaking house.
Speaker 3:No, to put them in the house and to say nothing. Oh, and so this is. I've been in the house for maybe a few weeks. This point, I just moved in. When we did this prank on the females house, I was getting, I was like basically moving at this point. So I've been moved in for a few weeks. These lamps are in the house and they're just like. They're not even strict, they're just like.
Speaker 1:They're like, they're like regular furniture and so I don't even think I noticed them for weeks. I'm right.
Speaker 3:I'm. Multiple guys come to me and they're like dude, did you bring those? No, that's so weird. Like dookie comes up to me, he's like dude, there's these really ugly lamps in the house? Like, did you bring those? I'm like no dude, like I didn't bring these. So funny and we found out like like a couple weeks later, and I brought one of them down into my room.
Speaker 2:I've been in that house. There's nothing we could put in that house that doesn't make it better Lamp. It is as good.
Speaker 3:Is. It was to the day I left in my room being used as the only, as one of two sorts of light in that, in that room, oh, that's hilarious, it was so funny man. And.
Speaker 1:I just remember, like to like the way they did it, like the way they were you like. So what do you think? No, it's just like oh, so is you okay? All right? Yeah, well, thanks, I guess. I don't know I'm bruised. I was like I didn't even get, it was a prank. I was like, oh, I kind of feel bad for pranking them. Now I have.
Speaker 3:I have one question. Oh yeah, go for it, because I don't think I was really here for the evolution of this. Yeah, rat King. Rat King rat King, I'm pretty sure that was something you came up with, something you coined in the house, that everything that went wrong in the house, we blamed it on rat King. The rat King.
Speaker 1:I might have. I might have. I left yours is one thing I did do. This can't be. No, I left a lot of notes and stickers in that house after I left of, just like I was like what's the most like Schizophrenic hair, brain, shit. I could like leave around here for people to find like there's some definitely stuff around there that probably at some point in my brain was like, yeah, pieces to a puzzle. And then like now I guarantee I wouldn't even be able to figure out what the puzzle was. So Are you tell me what rat King is? Because I'll say this I did go to that house to make up for the pranks to kill their rats and mice. For them like that's how I Repair to bridge was. I was going to those girls house because they would call me and they're like we have another mouse or rat, can you come get it? I was like, yeah, sure, and I'd go get it and kill it, and so they would have to deal with it.
Speaker 3:I. I can't really tell you the details behind it. Probably somebody died after I asked one of the other guys. But it was this evolution, that just anything wrong or anything that went possibly wrong in the house or anything that went missing. It was just blamed on rat King and I don't know where it got coin. Huh, but that's funny rat story.
Speaker 1:So many rats in that house.
Speaker 3:Yes, so so many rats this house, one of which, at the beginning of each each year, there was like two, two parties that would happen for all the people within the community, one of which was a spaghetti or pasta dinner and Then another one was with barbecue, I think no ice cream social ice cream social. Yeah, okay, so barbecue comes in later. I guess all the pasta and spaghetti from this dinner would get put into the refrigerators For later, so that we could just eat them through the weeks because, because we never bought the pasta, the school, the campus ministry, paid for it with the campus ministry card.
Speaker 1:So it was just free food for us for weeks.
Speaker 3:So in my refrigerator bottom shelf is these giant tin tubs of pasta that sat there for months and by the time we were clearing out the fridge there was some barbecue sauce that spilled underneath one of these pasta containers. A Mouse had crawled in there, gotten stuck in the barbecue sauce in the fridge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then died yeah. I did see this in the fridge. It was like it's an old fridge. I'm sure it crawled in through the back.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it called him while someone had it open the war. I don't even know.
Speaker 3:It was one person's fault and we tasked that one person with cleaning, with getting that mouse out of the barbecue sauce After we discovered those there. That's so I leave for two weeks on vacation. I come home that fucking mouse was so angry. That people multiple times a day were opening this fridge, getting their food out, seeing this mouse dead there for months and then just close it back up.
Speaker 1:I'll say, I'll say the quality that I was went downhill after my generation. I will say, like I remember fighting out about that and be more to find like my god, look boys, there's a line. Okay, that was a fucking decency, it's what I grab.
Speaker 3:I grab a spatula and scrape that thing off.
Speaker 1:I think I was there when you scraped it off. I think I was hanging out with Browntown and friggin saw that and I was just like that's one of those wretched things I've ever seen in my life. God dude. That house is just a memory maker, though. Like I remember the one summer we came back and straight up just like wasp hive in the house, like just giant ass, like inside tumor in the house, like of wasp hive coming out of the ceiling. We're like what is that Like? Is our house falling apart? Because it was a paper wasp hive but it was so massive and then someone bumped it and like just was flying down. I was like, oh shit, Like closed doors behind it. It felt like, honestly, it was the same thrill of like alien. We were like just closing the doors behind you while they chase you. You know it was pretty fun, but that was. This is just so many good things about the house. That house is a gross house.
Speaker 3:It should be burned to the ground. It's gotten a lot cleaner. Yeah, but from what I've been told is that they, the owners, know how bad it is. Yeah, but they are so grateful that they have never had. They've had, like, basically, people paying rent religiously for how I have like a decade.
Speaker 2:Over a decade with zero maintenance calls with zero maintenance calls and like they haven't had to worry about anything.
Speaker 3:It's like it's been passed down every single year, and so their plan is that, the day that comes, that for some reason, that house does not get passed down, they're just going to gut it and redo it, but in the meantime, they are so incredibly grateful.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because what they're making like 3,500 a month off of it oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I did a rate on tests in that house, which is hilarious.
Speaker 1:Did you really I did. Which is like should we all get like get our lawyers?
Speaker 2:No, it's like you should clean the mouse before you call for the rate on. Like the order of operation on, this is like guys, there's a lot of other things that are going to kill you long before right on in the cell house the mold the basement was was so cold.
Speaker 3:There were curtains that were always closed in that house and I remember I was cleaning up all the spiders in the basement when, I first got in there because the basement was just the thing just filled Like brand of brand was with spiders, and I pulled back these curtains to vacuum up the webs and all of the windows in the basement have like a quarter inch gap where it's just like air and I'm like this is all. The windows are completely open, like I'm like it has been how long have they been open?
Speaker 1:It's been a winter.
Speaker 3:This is why you can see your breath when you wake up in the middle of the night and it's cold because all the windows are open.
Speaker 1:Six years ago, no one closed this window one night.
Speaker 3:The curtains were closed.
Speaker 1:I ended up nailing them closed. Oh.
Speaker 3:I was like we're going to freeze. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Dude, I do love the memories of like. Just there was a class difference between who lived upstairs and who lived downstairs. If you live downstairs, you are untouchable. Like that was like Brazilian favela, like no, like you were just a separate sect. And how dare you? We called you different class. We called them the basement bastards. And I remember when they come upstairs with their greedy little pause begging for scraps, asking can I use your shower? Like don't breathe on me. No, but that dude. The biggest reason, like the reason like psychologically I just like joked about the dudes living in the basement being peasants was because of the poop pipe shower. Like they have this shower, plastic shower from Home Depot, yeah. And it's like, at best, just got this massive toilet pipe Like it's coming from the toilet upstairs just draining down in the middle of the room. There's just draining down in the middle of, like, the shower. Yeah, like it's like. It's like not even like flush against a wall, it's just in there. It's like so inconvenient to move around it's. I'm just like you peasants, like they don't even have like a real door.
Speaker 2:They have a vanishing. There's a sewer drain pipe in the shower.
Speaker 3:It runs through the shower, yeah, and it just.
Speaker 1:That's a whole thing, there's like Venetian blinds that you use to close when you're taking a shit. Yeah, and I just remember, like peasants- I never once used that shower upstairs.
Speaker 3:I also never pooped in that bathroom upstairs. You only do the downstairs all two and a half years. I never pooped or showered upstairs once Wow dude, just you know, you knew your place.
Speaker 1:I will say I had to put my foot on some of those peasants faces and push them back down the stairs.
Speaker 3:I maybe had the most luxurious room in the whole house.
Speaker 1:It was the warmest, it was a hot room. That was a hot room.
Speaker 3:It was the warmest during the winter Right next to the furnace and it was the coolest in the summer because it was in the basement that's what you want and it had carpet. That was one of the few people they actually the only one with a single room.
Speaker 2:I had my own room. You know you're living. Yeah, it's like on the high end Zillow post like has carpet.
Speaker 3:What's hilarious when, toward the tail end of me being there In this shower, on this pipe for years, at least five or six years what I've been told there was dental floss that this guy would floss his teeth I don't remember who it was Would floss his teeth every time he showered and he would just hang his floss on this water pipe, nice, and it had been there for so long that it just grew into the paint of the pipe and I did it.
Speaker 2:Did it connect itself to other strands? They were the plaque, they were like separate.
Speaker 3:But when the day came that I pulled it out, it was like taking off chunks of paint. Oh my God, so gross, so gross. What an incredible time. I just like.
Speaker 1:I think about just how different life was living in the house. Like you didn't feel like survival, but damn did I feel freaking poor, Like that was the poorest I've ever felt in my life Mix spend 50% of the night sleeping on the couch.
Speaker 3:In the summer yeah, in the summer, his routine was Play video games all night till probably four in the morning. I didn't play video games, go to sleep on the couch. I didn't have any video games to play outside in the living room.
Speaker 1:No, no, no in your room.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I would play until.
Speaker 1:Zach went to bed and then you would. Then you would go to sleep on the couch?
Speaker 3:Yeah, living room, and I would. I would, I would be going to. I would either be, I would be going to work in the morning and Mick would be up. Well, that was when you worked for coffee. Yeah, Early morning or do you have to be at work by 430? Yeah, by 445. Yeah, so there's times where he got up and I was like what up dude On my second movie tonight.
Speaker 1:Dude, I just could not sleep. The house was so hot, so hot and like I would just like I'd just be on the couch until I got exhausted and I'd be sleeping in the luxury in the basement in that nice.
Speaker 3:I do envy that.
Speaker 1:I do envy that I don't envy how poor you were, but you were up there with a fricking wet rag around your head. It's called a. It's called a schmock, it's right there.
Speaker 3:That's the one I used to get my head cool.
Speaker 1:It was one of those summers where, like you weren't upset when someone iced you bro, like you were happy that someone was icing you, doing you a favor, looking out, making sure you were cooling off.
Speaker 3:Making sure you were hydrated, yeah.
Speaker 1:You lived in destitution, didn't you? Or did you have a nice college house? You know what hours look like. I don't think I've ever been to years no, ours.
Speaker 2:Ours was horrible, but it was definitely had all the college house features. It's funny where you're talking about the girls losing their mind because the doors were taken off the bathroom and speaking of a jet boil in your beans at one point during a house meeting.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I want to know during during a house meeting.
Speaker 2:once we decided the best thing for our life would be to have a house with no doors on the interior, we took every door accountability.
Speaker 1:We can't get boil your beans with no door.
Speaker 2:We took every door Off in the entire interior of the house. There was two doors on the house the front door and the back door. Every door was in the garage, so like that's like the funny thing about like for if, if our group had been at a meeting with your group and you'd taken the doors off, we would have just you, just done our, done the, gone to the bathroom in the. In the doorless bathroom Girls wouldn't have. So here's what happened. We it got to the point where even we eventually hung a towel for a bathroom door. I took the pin out of the hinge, cut a hole in the towel, stuck it through the towel and then nailed the nail the towel to the other side and so you'd go through a towel door to the bathroom Discussing girl and we kind of the girls would use that. Well, it was really yeah.
Speaker 1:I feel like that I know girls would use yeah.
Speaker 2:So it is visible no visual, but full audio. It is like it was like we got to the point where, even like I woke up one morning and went to the bathroom and like, as I came out, like like she's my wife now, but at the time she was my girlfriend. She's like I knew that was you because of like the way you peed, it was like all right, we maybe this is too much Like right this is like like right you could hear. You could hear that the girls would use the bathroom, whatever. But I will say it was actually so Surrending your privacy it was. It was for each guy in the house it was on. It was for different levels, like for a guy like me or you're like I really don't care, it's not a big deal Like it's kind of strange. But let's do it all the way over to funny, all the way over to the guy I think it's funny, all the way to the guy who's like I don't change in my underwear in front of other dudes, right, like. So we had that whole spectrum and like, but the it was actually, I think, healthy as like, as much as like. Part of it sounds weird and silly and gross. It was actually a good way for us to live together and it did like. You know we have a Bible study where you know every dude in the house is struggling. All right, get rid of the freaking doors, yeah, no, I think there's some sense to that for a dude's house yeah. There's much less struggling because of social pressure, of cotton, the activity, like you know, cotton activity. You want to eat a bullet Right. So it's like. So it's like. I don't know, I've never been caught by the fear. Israel, the idea of cotton, the activity I remember thinking high school is mortifying or it's a mortifying. Oh yeah, I was in high school.
Speaker 1:I was like if I got caught by my mother, I just I think they would just fall out the window could kill me. Yeah, like I was like just the last act. That's what I'm saying. There's a couple embarrassing things Back.
Speaker 3:In a world where we live like we're like the.
Speaker 2:The best case scenario is like Whatever like get drunk, get laid, get paid, like that's like the college thing, right, it'd be like your the main goals. It was cool to live in a house full of guys who we were like serious enough about Trying to be different that we'd go to the extent of taking doors.
Speaker 1:Yeah and yeah, I will say my best Years of college were and post college were when I had a room to share with a roommate like just highest levels of happiness, highest levels of thankfulness. That's mainly why I did was like I just don't want to. I want to slip up and get comfortable and be having sex in the house, and I definitely was really thankful for that. I will say, though, it's a great thing. I was really thankful for that. I will say, though, it's also probably some of the most like frustrated. I was like like just like going to bed every night listening to carp snore Love the man, Do sometimes, man. Or like just waking up in the morning because he's opening the window next to our bed to piss out it, and I was just like tight, you know, like so like there's just things like that.
Speaker 3:That I had a freaking fire.
Speaker 1:I did. Yeah, no, that guy. That guy's the only person I've seen who can piss 20 feet Like I don't think I've ever seen a person be able to do it. Anyways, dude good memories here on the make a pass show.
Speaker 2:D.
Speaker 1:Sure, thanks for joining us, dog. Yeah, um, thanks for having me, and I think, if I say anything I consider in carton now. Well, maybe, yeah, the idea of being able to just fold it up a roll. That's such con you literally described. I just need a bed.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't be perfect, and this started out with you saying that you were skeptical.
Speaker 1:I was skeptical. I was. I'm less skeptical now.
Speaker 3:I didn't even really have to say anything.
Speaker 1:That's a good salesman right there, I know. I talk myself into the purchase. Yeah, Um well, uh, Pat, you got anything you want to sign off with?
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