The Mick and Pat Show: Dog Dynamics, Energy Drink Dangers, and Intricacies of Modern Evolution
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Ever wondered about the extraordinary abilities of working dogs or pondered over the controversial topic of eating dogs? Buckle up! We're discussing the complexities and considerations surrounding our interactions with man's best friend, and even going beyond to explore the correlation of synthetic chemicals on autism rates to the potential dangers of energy drinks.
We kick-off by discussing the cultural norms around treatment of dogs and the impact of our expectations and environment on their behavior. From contemplating the idea of eating dogs to understanding the art of training them for specific roles - we leave no stone unturned. We then hone in on the power, potential, and the risks of owning certain dog breeds. Tune in as we voice our thoughts about the controversy surrounding Pitbulls and the balance between nurture and nature in shaping a dog's behavior.
Each chapter of our conversation provides a fresh perspective. As we navigate through the intricacies of the dog world, we also delve into thought-provoking matters about the evolution of our species, the impact of modern diets on our hormones, and the dangerous effects of habitual consumption of energy drinks. Not to mention, we cast some light on the historical use of radioactive materials and even touch upon intriguing military matters like misplaced fighter jets. Don’t miss out, this episode promises an engaging blend of insights, laughs, and candid discussions.
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If you were in like a place that traditionally eats dogs you know, offered to you, would you?
Speaker 2:If it was offered, I'd try.
Speaker 1:I mean dogs already been slaughtered, the dogs already been.
Speaker 2:I say slaughtered, not to be like aggressive, but like it's already been killed, cooked and cleaned. I'd try it and I want to know, just for the sake of that one line in the Patriot where they're like we'll kill them, take their dogs, have dinner and eat their dogs. It's like dog is good eating.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:This is like damn, bro, did we use to eat dogs back in like the you know revolutionary war? And I kind of just want to try to see what it tastes like. It's cold enough you might have to eat your dogs.
Speaker 1:It's gotten cold enough. People have eaten people folks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, folk eaters. Honestly though, hmm, I don't know. I probably shouldn't say this because I feel like this one might come back. I mean, like if I ever in a life or death situation but there are some people I would a hundred percent eat before I ate any of my dogs I had a really good dogs girl on that dude and I've definitely met people that I would like if they died. I wouldn't really be that. I wouldn't really be upset if I had to eat them for survival.
Speaker 1:I don't know how I was going to really say that.
Speaker 2:Like you know, I say like out of maliciousness, I want to eat them, but like it is a no brainer between you or my dog, I'm going to feed you to my dog. Like, yeah, tell me, tell me back, come on. Like you're telling me there's not people you've met, that you Well.
Speaker 1:I guess you don't have dogs.
Speaker 2:I've grown up with dogs.
Speaker 1:Did you grow up with good dogs? They were good dogs, did you like?
Speaker 2:grow up with dogs that like were like as a kid, like you felt like you were in a movie, because of that dog, the.
Speaker 1:They were good dogs, I was connected to them, but I think I've always had a like maybe healthy or unhealthy view of like. What animal is so like? Oh sure, like. This is like, whenever like, and it's gotten worse over the years. Watching people with their dogs.
Speaker 2:Oh, do you.
Speaker 1:Everybody with their like untrained dog. You're watching people with bad dogs. I know, dude, I'm just like you shouldn't have a dog. What is this dog has no purpose. Yeah, where you're giving this dog no purpose and discipline.
Speaker 2:That's how I feel about a lot of like a lot of people's animals. I'm just like that's a bad dog because you're a bad owner. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I bought it a sweater. It's like, yeah, but you never told it no, yeah, and in this voice oh, don't do that. Oh, no, no, that's not saying no to an animal, oh man.
Speaker 2:So God was it. I think it was okay. This is going to be a weird. This is on the dog story. Right, I was watching the Matt and Shane secret podcast for the two comedians, matt McCluskey and Shane Gillis. It's a very funny podcast. They just sit in their living room holding mics and just you know the production is not very refined. But then they have guests in their living room too. This guy I don't know what his name is, I forgot, but I think he helped produce Gillian Keyes like skit show that's on YouTube and he's a. He's a pretty funny comedian. He does an insane amount of really good. He does like the best Dave Chappelle impression I've ever seen in my life. It's crazy. Yeah, he was doing an impression of Bill Bill burn. No, no, no, that's not right Bald, but kind of ginger, loud, really aggressive guy. Bill Burr, bill Burr yeah, I was going to sing a bill Bill Burnham, but that's not it. It's Bill Burnham and Bill Burr, all right, but he's doing as a pressure Bill Burr. Bill Burr was making this joke about how he was in Ireland. He's at this dog park in Ireland and everyone's dog is just running around but like insanely well behaved, like no barking. There's no barking at all. This whole dog park there's like 50, 60 dogs. None of them are biting, they're all like politely stuffing. And then they turn around and run back to the owner. And Bill Burr is like this is crazy, like he leans over to the desires, like this is amazing. Like how do you guys have such well behaved dogs? And the Irish man was like because when they beat the ever living fuck out of them, that's what you got to do with your dog. And Bill Burr is like that's right, that's why no one's dog here is well behaved and it just is, like you know, very different culturally. Like the dog is there.
Speaker 1:And the dogs are probably happy. Yeah, not all like anxious, like they're not like their dogs probably aren't on Anxious and aggressive. They're on CBD medication.
Speaker 2:They're dogs, dude. You can't say that, bro. I have family members. I did. I'm telling you, dude, if they hear that, they will flip, they, like my dog, needs that because of its bad hips, I know it says, oh my God, but it's like his bad hips and his anxiety.
Speaker 1:She has separation anxiety. Okay, no, you live in a you know third floor apartment. There's nothing wrong with them in a third floor apartment, but like you have a great dain in there or whatever, or like or like you have a cow dog, you bought a cow dog and you put them in the up in there and now they're, just like you know, shaking all the time and you take them to a counselor.
Speaker 2:You have a herding dog in an apartment, yep, and you're telling it. You're like no, no, we don't know, we don't, we don't talk like that now. No, oh yeah, and it's like that dog wants, like if you open that door, that dog's never coming back.
Speaker 1:Like that dog's going to go out Freedom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're going to see it on the news, hurting like kids.
Speaker 1:I saw three dogs just out. I could tell they were loose, Like as I was, I was driving like fast on there. I could see them kind of far away and like it was just these three dogs, one big one, two little ones, and they were having a blast. Oh yeah, they were just king of the world.
Speaker 2:They were just running around sniffing stuff and they were dogs remain kiddos until they die, like even well disciplined, trained dogs are just kiddos on the playground until the day they die. Oh yeah, like you know like. I don't think that's like what a lot of people get Puppy is attitudes, so come out. Yeah, I mean like I can think of like the most, like the best dogs I've ever seen in my life, or the sheep herding border collies in Norway, oh yeah, and they would just go and this dog would get up immediately out of a dead sleep in the house, run out like it was, like it was like watching water flow, like the way it moved through a house. It had run through and out the front door and I was watching it and it would just spring like six feet in the air over a fence land and just be sprinting and it would disappear.
Speaker 1:And then to the end.
Speaker 2:Then it would come back in like 45 minutes with its flock and they knew. Somehow they knew what sheeps were theirs, because he had three dogs and he had a really big flock and those dogs always only went and got their sheep and they always herded their sheep to a different spot than the other sheep and I was just like that is insane. I don't think there's there's people who can't learn how to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah for sure. I think working dogs are the coolest. Watching a dog do what it's spread for, watching a working dog is just one of those rewarding things to watch happen. And the, the hunting dogs are just awesome. Shepherding dogs are so cool. I'm a great Paranese, heard a story it was also my one of my dad's friends. Their family had a ranch and they would the cattle ranch and they would. They had like six great Paranese that they would just let loose out into into the ranch and they would be gone for days at a time and they would come, they would just be out there patrolling for coyotes and whatever else was going to hurt the cattle and they'd come back all bloody. Really, yeah, like their white coats would be all bloody because they would. They'll run up on a coyote, grab it on the back of the neck, flip it over and the rest of them get it Gorgeous, they kill it and then they come back in all wild and bloody and then they they spray them down, bathe them. They just lie around the house like, like, like normal, like normal lazy dogs for a day or two and then they just let them back out and they're just on the prowl.
Speaker 2:Dude. The scariest thing about it like great Pyrenees to me is that you look at them and you're like, oh, that's just, that's just what's the term. That's an albino golden retriever Right, that's like a big albino golden retriever, but like when you look at it like a great Pyrenees and like a standard golden retriever. The only difference is like color of coat and size. But like the fact that those two look so similar and one is like an incredibly efficient guard dog or cattle guard dog, right, and the other one is just like the most like dopey is friendliest, can learn a lot of tricks, yeah but they're not highly intelligent, not like it's not aggressive. You know, great Pyrenees are pretty, they're pretty cool. I definitely would want one, but that just like I would never get one and let if I didn't have a means for it to do its thing.
Speaker 1:Got to have a little bit of space.
Speaker 2:Like, even if I didn't have coyotes, you know I would, I would, I would get it, but it'd have to have, like, the ability to run and like I'd want it to be able to go after stuff like rabbits or something like that you at least need to have, like something to entertain is that it takes care of. Yeah, it's like, it's like it's it does need to be mama, you know like that dog needs to be a guard dog. Yeah, and I don't want it really guarding my kids, because that means it might be like mean to people when they show up and try to interact with my kids.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and that's what that breed specifically is pretty good for that stuff, because they are kind of threat aware, like they're like you don't train them to attack people, but like they have a pretty good sense of like oh, this is not a good person, like, this is that person. And they're big dogs. You got to have them under control. I had a Bernie's Peronis mix as a kid and we were on a road trip and we let her out of the car and she was only like eight, nine months old and there was a herd of cattle on the other side of this barbed wire fence and she just took off, jumped the fence, took this field was spread out with cattle and she just ran around all of them and herded them into a group and then laid down and watched them and it was like she's had zero, zero training. You know she's basically that point, could sit and was like house trained, but the instinct ability, it just she hopped, she just went and did the thing that thousands of years of breeding and trained it to do. And yeah, working dogs are. I think they. I think it's cool to watch them because you see something that truly is made with a purpose like fulfilling its full purpose at that point in time, and just like with police dogs too. Oh yeah, at a criminal justice teacher he was. He said that he never saw somebody not surrender when the dogs came out. It's because it's terrifying, dude. You have a whole different level of fear, full swat, whatever you know. It ends with a gunfight. One dog goes in there, just they come out. Yeah, and I saw this video the other day of did you see the video of the cop pretending to be a dog? I did see that. That was pretty funny. Yeah, they cracked me up so much. That wolf was pretty good it was, and it was some younger. They weren't kids, but they were like older teenagers running away from the cops. And he just he just started. They're hiding off in the bushes and he's just. You don't want us to bring the dogs out. We're letting the dog out and then we're going to release them. You better come out and just keep sparking people times the guy.
Speaker 2:They just come out with their hands up, dude, I wouldn't, I would, I would surrender to a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:I like to think I'm brave around dogs, but I'm not. I mean, I think I'm brave around dogs.
Speaker 2:I'm not brave around attack dogs. You know what I mean. I can't well, like like I feel very confident that I could kill just about any dog. I I, I think I could lose to an attack dog pretty easily. You know what I mean. Oh yeah, like I feel pretty confident that I could. I feel like, if a great Dane wants to eat me and it's not like a trained, you know, attack great Dane. I don't even think those are thinking. But, like you know. But like, uh, I think if a great Dane wants to eat me, I stand a good like 75% chance. Like if that dog's really set on taking a bite out of me, I think I have a good 75% chance I will not die. Attack dogs, like we're talking a Malinoise yeah, I think I will die. Yeah, because I think that thing is a honed wolf that's taken all the wild instinct and trained it and given it a single channel that it can violently let that energy out in. Oh yeah, and that's scary. That's if a wolf to me is like a fire, a Malinois is just a gun.
Speaker 1:Like you know, it's a yeah, it's been like sharpened to a point. Have you seen those dogs? Uh, they're from like Kazakhstan or something. Just these giant like dogs that are for like hunting bears.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Pokemon dogs. Oh my gosh they're. I call them Pokemon because they look like Pokemon to me. I'll try to find what they are. I always forget what they're called, but they are. They're huge. They have like usually like a sunny red and black coat. You know what I'm talking about. Is that right? Or is that a different dog?
Speaker 1:I'm thinking of. These ones are white. Well, they're white, white with white and brown, but they're. They're just giant. They're probably pretty, but they're. It's like a a kind of a really bad combo of being super huge and also being a really aggressive breed. Yeah, and there's been people trying to like bring them over here, you know cause they're pretty, like uh are you talking about wait flashy dog?
Speaker 2:are they big and fluffy or are they not fluffy? They're. They're kind of fluffy Cause there's the Anatolian shepherd dog, which I don't think the Anatolian, anatolian region, it's middle, I guess it's Middle East, it's like Turkey.
Speaker 1:This is.
Speaker 2:It's similar to these Gotcha, I mean those are big, scary dogs Like that's a dog, that like that is. That's a dog that I think I'll die. Like that's the size of a great day and it's violent, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Yep, they are. There's one else called it central Asian shepherd dog, the, the, the ala alibi. It's a wolf hunting and bear hunting dog. That might be it, but they're just. Or is this the Carillion? Maybe it's the Carillion.
Speaker 2:It sounds like a Star Trek alien.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, Not the Carillion, but what is? Who named that breed? That is hilarious. Anyways, I did see a lady walk by with a straight up wolf the other day.
Speaker 2:The one I'm thinking of is the I think it's the Tibetan mastiffs.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yep, those are wild looking dogs.
Speaker 2:Dude they're, they are bears. Yep, yep, yep, they are freaking bears, dude.
Speaker 1:They are. But if you get a dog, big or small, train that thing, don't let it near a baby. Yeah, and they bring lots of joy, they bring lots of companionship.
Speaker 2:Where do you fall on the discussion of pit bulls and nurture versus nature? Because I feel like I've had, I've known people, I've known a good amount of people personally, you know, not just like neighbors, but like people who had pit bulls and I I lean towards. I lean towards and it's in their nature and it is often brought out in their nature that they are very, that they can be an aggressive dog, but like it's one of those things where, like from enough, the people who had them and then got rid of them because they couldn't like, because they were, and they were always the person who was like, no, she's a great dog, she's a sweet dog, Like she never bite you or nothing like that. And then it ends up being like, yeah, but like I am going to have a kid and I I don't want to pit bull around my kid, yeah, and it's just like why You've had this dog for six years and it's like and it's the nicest, sweetest dog, and it's like even them, like I often hear, and I just kind of met the point where I'll never get one probably you know what I mean. And I get why certain communities have outlawed them, because those are communities usually with a lot of children and also tend to have a rate of a lot of like a dog on dog betting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I think a couple of thoughts on that. One is there are specific lines within Pitbull that are bred for their strength and aggression, and then there's other ones that have just been bred for more being a more, a little more docile dog. And so you lots of times you're not going to a breeder to get one of those. You're getting one from like a, you know, rescue type situation or a litter from somewhere, and you don't really know, you don't, you don't know what that, where it's coming from, it's coming from. So if you're going to, if you want to get a Pitbull, you should get to know, kind of, where it's coming from and it's lineage and stuff in there, because there are I've been around a good handful of nice Pitbulls that are the sweetest dogs. Lots of those have been also like crossbred with a lab, which helps a lot when you're not purebred on that, and so I think that you got to be, you got to know that that is a big part of it, that there is just cause it's this specific breed. There's within breeds, there's things like there's lots of Labradors that will never be a good duck dog. They can't be a good duck dog. They're big dumb labs and they're not going to be a good duck dog. But there's other ones that are just out of the box, almost boom trainable, ready for it. That's what they know, that's what they want to do. So in that same sense, with Pitbulls you got to be careful. And my other theory or thought not theory but thought about Pitbulls is if, because of their serious jaw strength and the fact that you can't get, you can't unlock a jaw on a Pitbull, if it decides to lock down, I would. Let's take any dog in a lot of ways If I'm going to have a really angry, nasty, mean Chihuahua come at me, that's not going to kill my kid dude, it's not going to eat my baby's feet. Slap that thing and you know like we're going to get the. That thing's getting the slap or the punt, you know. But if you get a pretty mild mannered, low-behaved Pitbull that all of a sudden, for one moment, decides that it's going to bite on a child or even a person, it's going to. The damage from that is so much greater. So it's just like. It's just like I don't know if I'm going to, if you're going to get hit with a, with a slingshot or a freaking howitzer you know, type of type of thing like the, even if the chances are low, if it, if it makes its mark, it's a bad, bad day. So yeah, I think. On the Pitbull thing, I will tell you this whenever I see one come around a corner and I have family or kids with me, I pay more attention. Oh yeah, oh yeah, dude, I've tried to move one before and it didn't move. Dude, it was a nice one, but it was like I grabbed it by the collar and like went to I can move any dog, like that's what I thought. Yeah, I went to move this Pitbull nothing. They can ground themselves. They are so dense, they are truly so dense and muscular it is insane. And so, yeah, I think you gotta kind of have the. You gotta be careful with any of the dogs you're getting, especially if you're going to be around kids and stuff. But then you got some of those other breeds, you know even things like German Shepherds I'm thinking about the word dogs in stuck in my head, not the winger dog, the German one, the whatever Doberman, Pinschers, and then the other big the other big black one Dashing. Oh no, the other, big black, Big black and brown ones, boxers. No, no, my gosh, it will come back to me like 40 minutes. Anyways, the big dogs, just big dogs that have been bred for, you know, to be security animals you gotta watch out, you know, and teach your kids not to pull a dog's tail.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think though, like I don't know, like when you know, when you know your dog and you know your dog is like I'll say this when you have a dog, that's not a very aggressive dog breed. I think there's almost some value in letting a kid piss off a dog, like I remember my uncle let me piss off his butt, you know, and it was a big old, friendly dog. I tried riding it and it didn't get good down on me riding it, yeah, and I was just kind of pulling on it's ears and like laughing and giggling and laying on it and it turned and it just did a quick like not a bite, but like it put my arm in its mouth, just enough that it was quick and it was like, oh yeah, and it scared me, yeah, and I remember that and like it stuck with me and I like I don't know, like I think it's like when you're small it's a little respect in you, oh yeah, and you respect all dogs. After that point Now, you know, I had other friends who were traumatized because they got bit by a dog and, you know, tore off a chunk of them. Oh yeah, you know, and it's like that's different. I'm not saying don't allow that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But, like you know, there's kids who are like missing with my dog and I know my dog's not like a pit bull, but it's like, you know, golden retriever or border collie or something like that and they're like pulling on its hair and stuff. I'm like, no, no, warn them. Tell them, hey, that dog will bite you. And if they're like, oh, and they're not listening, like that dog will bite you and the third time dog's going to probably bite them. Like I'm all right with, like letting. It's kind of like you got to let them learn the stove is hot somehow. Yeah, I'm not saying put their hand on the stove, but I'm saying if they're constantly reaching and you're having to swap their hand away from the stove, then maybe feigning, next time they go to touch it, it just like or it's like you know, like get a, like a fork in the hot water and just let them touch the fork or something To learn it Hot.
Speaker 1:Well, some people. Some people learn by the carrot, some people learn by the stick. I think I only learned from the stick. A stick learner, yeah, a stick.
Speaker 2:I'm not even like a stick learner where I needed like discipline from like parents or anything like that. I'm like I don't even know Stick sounds like discipline, like give them the rod. Yeah, I don't think that's necessarily the right now. I think it's like some people Learn from their mistakes.
Speaker 1:Some people learn from others mistakes. I think I got to make the mistake. Yeah, it's the 18th time I have not paid my red light camera ticket on time, and you know what happens when you don't pay it on time it doubles. It find doubles. You know Just why didn't you learn that yet? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think for me it's kind of. One of the things is where it's like you know you have. We're at a point now. Here's the truth. Here's the truth, right, I love this conversation. Dogs are great and I'm kind of taking it in more of like a different direction, I guess, now. But we live in a society where, for the first time in the history of humankind, the population that has been cold off for the majority of our history lives comfortably, and I am of that population. I have born with bad eyesight and eczema is not a really big disease now. It's so easily treatable through lotions or medication. But eczema in 1860 was like you get infection through a sore on your skin and you die. Right, you know what I mean. So the majority of human history whether you believe in evolution or not, our written history, we can see this is the first time we've reached a point where the people who died off are alive to complain. You know what I mean, and we have to hear their complaints.
Speaker 1:I was the same thing, because I always be like I would have. I think, how many times would I died off Because I've had to be gone to the emergency room and had to have antibiotics? Yeah, I would have been done. You know bad eyesight also. These things were just like, I believe, in baskets back at the camp. I don't even think they let me wear baskets.
Speaker 2:I think I just like they literally bring me stuff to just smash a rock on, Like because that's like without glasses. I think I'd be like they'd all like if we were in caveman times and with and I didn't have any glasses. They think I was like mentally handicapped for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying is like I think you know part of that is is because I'm low eyesight and stuff my my intrigue before glasses as a kid got me like stumbling and in trouble or something like that. Like because I just kind of perceive things well and part of me thinks like if this was an example of like lesson learned or lesson learned from watching someone else, I had no way of learning a lesson. So I kind of see shit and so like it like. To me it's like one of those things were like nature's way of telling you not to eat. It is the bright colors, right? They're supposed to alarm you, like yellow jackets and you know poisonous berries and poison frogs. And, bro with my blind ass, I would like be putting that frog in my mouth. You know what I mean. So, like you know, maybe that's just evolution's way of saying like yeah, we'll have the blind people eat the poison frogs, and all the people with good eyesight will see it from like 30 yards away and be like, ok, so don't do that.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, you know, patina, grizzly Bear. Oh, nice kitty, yeah, Yep.
Speaker 2:But I just think that's funny to Philosophize, like it's one of those things that were like when did all these people come around that decided to start complaining about XYZ? And you're like, well, probably when they weren't dying of hunger. Yeah, you know, I mean, probably when they weren't dying because we didn't have a treatment for diabetes, mm hmm, you know, it's one of those weird things where, like, we don't even know how many people died of cancer. It's pretty hard to tell, like, if someone died of cancer unless it was like a cancer that spread pretty lethally throughout the skeletal system, mm hmm. But like most human remains, now I don't think there's a lot of signs of like just how prolific specific conditions were if it wasn't recorded, mm hmm. But at the same time, you know it's like, well, maybe they weren't dying of stomach cancer and what's the really big one for men?
Speaker 1:Prostate cancer.
Speaker 2:Prostate cancer because they weren't eating. You know, Like McDonald's.
Speaker 1:Wonder bread. Yeah, yeah, like a wonder bread Sprinkle sandwich.
Speaker 2:Maybe no cavemen had prostate disease because they ate delicious, healthy red raw meat, mm, hmm. And the hearts of the other tribe.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's like you know, proskots, and we don't have to eat people as like a victory dance anymore, mm, hmm, but we have prostate cancer, yeah, and low T, like yeah. My testosterone is nothing compared to like early human hominids, dude, if you you imagine that oh my gosh you can tell because of their brow? Yeah, I guarantee you I've. I think it's a fact of life that Of their Joe Rogan brow. Yeah, I think it's a fact of life that the further your eyebrow comes out from your head, definitely the more testosterone you have, without a doubt.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure. It's like even those fish I was talking about earlier where it's like they just get feral and wild and like their parts start changing and the dude. There is something about like the way that over the last hundred years we manipulated our food so that it would grow abundantly enough to feed everybody, that it's been jacking with everybody's hormone. Oh yeah, Undoubtedly I was looking at I remember looking at a picture of how was that? A UNC just walking through the one of their sports center there or something, and they had pictures of all their like football players and wrestlers from from the forties and just like the guys from the forties were there's. You know, they were 19 to 24 and they looked Like. Just, they looked like so much more like men than what we have going on. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So when I saw, like the students at Colorado State University from like 1870. Oh my gosh, yeah With the university, like when Lincoln was like so we're going to do this, we're going to make a university here, and these guys are like these guys just got done with the Civil War. Like I guess I go to college now. Yeah, in the West there's still Indians raiding our college campus and when you see them you're like, holy shit. Yeah, these guys, how old are they? And it's like I'm trying to think of like a very good Western name. It's just like it's like Jed Dyer, wisconsin. Yeah, was 17 years old and was the youngest quarterback for CSU history. Yeah and till whatever. You know what I mean. It was just like Holy smokes Like this. This is insane. You know. They're shorter too. They're shorter, they're all stunted Like they're all way shorter. But it was crazy to see those pictures. I'm like those guys look so manly yeah except all their ears stuck out.
Speaker 1:What was that? What's with all the old? What was it that?
Speaker 2:generations, years, all because they had, they needed it, they needed to be more aware of threats, they were like yeah, exactly, their ears were sticking out so that way they could hear everything in front of them really well. Now I don't know. I do agree there's a like, there's a proportion of like, like monkey ears sticking up from the side of their head with like people from like in photos from the 1880s, 90s, and I wonder, part of me wonder, if it had something to do with like a headgear style choice, like I think it kind of an example is like you won't be able to tell in photographs but our pinkies from from holding our phone.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:The pinkie crook from supporting your phone.
Speaker 1:It comes out Dude. I saw this in an extreme way yesterday at a rush three days ago, at a restaurant of Chipotle I said Chipotle standing in line, and there was these high school girls in front of me and she was manipulating her phone with one hand and her pointer finger was coming around like this, like I can't bend it enough that her pointer finger could turn side to side, turn at a 90 degree angle. But if you're holding your hand up for listening, if you're holding your hand up away from you, if you could point your finger at the second knuckle towards your left or right, that's what. That's what was going on, and and just like. And they were. The deck study was so weird and I was like that hand has been, is like that because it's used to phone its whole life. Yep, what is going on? Trip me out. Yeah, freaks me out.
Speaker 2:And like I just think like there's a lot of stuff like that. You know, like we see him, we're like boom, where's all their ears? Funny. It's like well, because of this hat. Right, they all, they all wore like that Sunday hat or whatever, pushing they just they didn't talk it, they pushed it down one thing though, like on that note about food and all that. This is one thing I always love to talk about because I used to work for a, a Agricultural company, a big one. Mm-hmm is the correlation over time between glyphosate and autism, dude. Hmm, so glyphosate is Used as a weed killer, hmm, and it's the big one, dude. It's Primarily known as roundup. Yeah, and you can. We can see the rates of autism and the so number of children with autism served by IDA Don't know what IDA is and the year is on. So we got year on x-axis and then on the y-axis we have two values. One is glyphosate, the amount of glyphosate applied to corn and soy, and 1000 tons, so like 10 is 10,000 tons of glyphosate. And then we have the number of children with autism identified, right. And so in 1991, the rate of autism. 1991, the rate of autism was like I Think this is children born each year. You know what I mean, but it was like under roughly 10. I mean maybe 10,000, probably closer to like five, six thousand. And then in 1992, the first, like Probably it was probably the first year we had like two thousand, maybe fight, excuse me five thousand tons of glyphosate used, mm-hmm on corn and soy 1993, we start seeing our rise and kids with autism and like we have a very it's pretty much, it's pretty linear. Well, I guess the relationship is linear. The Rise of it is exponential Because, like we see, like 95 and 95 through 99 we go to about anywhere from 30,000 all the way up to 50,000 tons of glyphosate used, and that's when we go from like 30,000 to about 56,000, 57,000, no, probably from like 30 to 60,000 kids with autism each year. I'll turn around so you can kind of see it here too. But it's like it climbs and climbs and like that's a chemical that's being applied to everything. So we kill all the pesticides, I mean all the all the pests on it and it's going into the food and like we can see, like the delay of, like the more people that eat this the next year, the more kids with autism and honestly, it's it's not good. Like even like the agriculture industry, when I was working at there, like, yeah, we, we definitely know about that trend. Like we're not gonna, we're not gonna say that it does cause autism, but I'm certainly aware that it there. It is a correlation for sure, you know, and it's pretty, it's pretty nasty. But there's a lot of other stuff about like Using specific like soil. What's it called Fertilizers? Yeah, like specific fertilizers that are Artificially fertilized. I guess you could say mm-hmm, like they're, rather than like using manure to create fertilizer. It's, you know, all chemically created through, yeah, through like creating nitrogen in a lab and infusing it into the dirt and then selling the nitrogen infused dirt. A lot, of, a lot of coincidental correlations between when we started using that and a lot of other disease like popping up and you might like a good thing. You know the most common thing that we always hear is like well, medical diagnosis and technology has gotten better. Yeah, without a doubt that's true. We detect cancer far earlier now than we could in 1990. Mm-hmm. That said, it's kind of like that's the you know the devil and is in the details, right of like, where is this? A correlation is just? Is this just because we're moving forward on time and Technology's getting better? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:That's what we see, yeah, or?
Speaker 2:is there a causal relationship? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think even if those specific things, like if, specifically, glyphosate or fertilizer Aren't the causation, it's those, it's, they're in the family of things that are the causation, just Synthetic, chemical-based stuff that we are using in everything and putting on in our bodies.
Speaker 2:Dude, what do you think like is the theory? You know the people that theorize, like you and I, the first generation to grow up with phones in their pockets Mm-hmm, have brutal nut cancer.
Speaker 1:I've thought about that dude, like the, there's the radio, radio waves just penetrating the old, yeah, twigging berries constantly, and then also Like with it, like in your face a lot too, like laying in bed, like the old brain hole, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it ain't gonna be the zen. Yeah, there's gonna be this damn cell phone held up to my face all day Exactly, and I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think that it's One of those things where we always we find out in very unfortunate way 20, 30 years down the road, kind of like, you know, and oh, everybody's grandma died of lung cancer, yeah, smoking, because they all were smoking. You know that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:It's true. We have had like essentially a whole generation that died and, like the rest of us, learn not to smoke habitually.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, or like in hospitals or in airplanes and in restaurants, and next in the car with your kid.
Speaker 2:Like in the doctor's office as a doctor, with all the other pages.
Speaker 1:Like like lots of those.
Speaker 2:Stress. You do, you diagnose and you have a stress and the prescription of pack of marbles a day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, or like while the baby's being delivered. Yeah just like the like the doctors gloves up and the nurse puts one in his mouth and lights it for him and lights one for the mom. So you get through it and they're just. You know, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2:That is crazy, that that was like and what I mean, and you see it so much more proliferately when, like, you watch old movies, mm-hmm, like nowadays, I feel like there's still like movies that will have a emphasis on smoking, especially if they take place at a older time, but movies nowadays just do not have as much smoking.
Speaker 1:And it's intent, it's super intentional.
Speaker 2:I think it is to try to keep it like for being well.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean when they, when you do smoke in a movie.
Speaker 2:It's a it's a.
Speaker 1:It's a very like intentional prop storytelling thing and not just a prop way around, like it's like it's telling you about who this character is and yeah, and you're getting into their psychology versus, like you know, just like the detective smoking his pipe or the other guy like, just like smoking a cigarette, wallies, you know, in Casablanca.
Speaker 2:Just looking at you, kid. I watched Chinatown with Jack Nicholson news like when Jack Nicholson was young Mm-hmm and Holy shit, dude, the amount of smoking in that movie. I bet you could count it. And I bet you could count like I Bet the amount of cigarettes that get lit in that movie. You could fill up like three packs and they're two hour movie.
Speaker 1:They probably weren't even smoking for the movie.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't think it was, I don't think it was for like they were just like Like. It's like fifth take extra over here.
Speaker 1:It's just like lighting up a cigarette, you know, like whatever you know.
Speaker 2:Hey, how far was I down in that last take. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think that and it was funny about the smoking thing too is like any of anybody I know who's quit, even for like after three days and then three weeks notices, immediate health benefits.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't wake up feeling like crap and like coughing and hacking up and I'm like, yeah, so like you should stay, quit, right? It's like two more weeks later in there back in the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I definitely noticed when I stopped vaping, like when I switched to Zen full-time. I definitely noticed an insane amount of like energy and less anxiety. You because that I mean vaping you get so much nicotine that like you just lose all, all sense of like Nicotine having any effect on you. Yeah, and I met, and I think that's the same with smoky cigarettes, like I don't think a habitual cigarette smoker feels the I guess it's they don't depend on, depending on who you are, but like you feel the lack, you feel the lack.
Speaker 1:You feel the lack of it. You don't feel the like, you don't feel it. Come on.
Speaker 2:Well, I threw in my. When I throw in my three Zin pouches before bed, I definitely feel sleepy. I feel sleepy every night when I throw those puppies in the end. I think, like I do remember vaping, that I would try to like take a Harsh rip off a pod you know off of that like that mango jewel. All the OG's out there. I didn't like mango because when mango ran out or burnt it tasted bad. I was a. I was a cool cucumber guy the cool cucumber. Did and like I would try to get that so I'd get sleepy before bed and get that like relax sensation. I wouldn't be able to get it anymore because it was so much nicotine being delivered, mm-hmm. And when I got rid of that I just felt like so much more sleep, better benefits, you know, and like way less stress and anxiety about like not getting the I don't want to say hi because it's not a hi but not getting like the sensation of like calm that comes over when you, when you, you know, are you using the good amount of nicotine, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, for sure. And so with the new products people are using, or or just any cell phone next to your balls, I don't know like, are we just gonna fool? Find out, we'll find out someday. Yeah, what the what? The deal is gonna be this way it's friendship out. So many people do have like a Starting to get like librarian neck. You know, when you look at somebody from the side and they're, they're all shoulders are rolled in a little bit in their heads, their heads kind of forward, and because they're looking down at their phone.
Speaker 2:I'm looking down at their phone all day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I.
Speaker 2:Believe it. I definitely have noticed like I've been. Well, at least I've noticed I've been making more of an effort on my posture. They try to have a better posture. But yeah, I Excuse me, pardon me wonders a, I guess. What do you, what do you think might be the big one? Like, what would you? What would not surprise you? That's not like right now Mm-hmm and identified, but what would not surprise you if, like, it came out and it was like so, here's the truth. Like this is so bad. Hmm, like you should not have it. Like you should not have it habitually in any way, shape or form right, even near you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I Don't know. Yeah, that's the thing about it. Like there was a people used to get these watches were the dopest watches you could get oh and they were radioactive because they glow in the dark. Baby, and there was these. There was a town in the Midwest that painted these watches and it was these ladies who would take radium paint and they would. They would paint the watches and while they're doing it, they'd always hold, like, the paintbrush in their mouth or they'd always like dab it on their tongue, like as they're doing it, and like this town turned into a ghost town of people because everyone died. Everybody just died of horrible like radioactive exposure, and so they just had no idea.
Speaker 2:I think it was the same town. Gosh, I'm gonna look it up just so that we're right, but because I remember we went to a museum and. They were talking about this town where they painted these plates, and there were two types of plates. They were like this bright fluorescent orange and then a bright fluorescent green. What, what is that? Called China? But they ended up being, you know, radioactive in like everyone, everyone who painted these died in. There was a huge recall at the time across the US of ads of like Do not throw this in the trash. Like, call us and we will come pick it up and dispose of it for you, because this is Insanely radioactive. And I'm gonna try to find them up because I think it was by the same like in the same place where they were Just doing all these painting with this radioactive paint.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that the, what the next thing could be. Do we even know that it's currently being done to us? You know, like, whatever the ingredients is and your freaking Liquid death water. You know like that's got on so hard right now. It's like the liquid death water. That's like Whatever, something in the can or and in the or? Is it something as big as? Like you know, people, the first answer loss people would have for this would be like the COVID vaccine or whatever like that, this that everybody was forced to hit a, to take in the, the way that you know what are the effects of it long-term, short-term. But people, obviously there's been plenty of speculation or evidence around what that, what that could do to you, and so the I Think I think the cell phone piece Will be less destructive physically than actually be like the usage of constant, the constant use of that For social media and your psychology and your psyche. So I'm gonna I think that you know people are kind of nervous about it, but I think, like the, the AI world can potentially While I don't think I don't see a huge physical, I'm coming from it I think I see I could see, like some, like the biggest cultural psyche shift We've ever seen, with that becoming more and more mainstream, more and more used, where people could not know what's real anymore and or rely on it too heavily for Losing their own creativity and soul and ability to think for themselves or whatever. And so I think I see those things being something that could play a huge role as far as the the physical, chemical stuff and all that you know. I just have no idea because it feels like we've already found all those things and like have been rooting them out. But who knows, dude, I mean it could be like the new thing they've been putting in drywall, you know, just like as best as was getting you. Now there's another thing, we'll see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, I think I'll be honest, I think it is gonna be. This is the one I'm banking on. It is the like effects of your body's ability to digest, like energy drinks. Oh yeah and I think, like the, I think it'll be, you know, again, like same thing with smoking. It's like you can do it once, twice, whatever you know, a couple of week maybe, but the habitual day in and day out, two or three, four a day yeah and it's just like Four years on it I think we'll alter people's digestive tract and create, you know, cancerous issues and like in this stomach or the intestines or colon, right, and like I just I Mean because I know there's like been talks of like research already on, like its ability to shut down liver, mm-hmm, and Like your bill, your liver's inability to process 8,000 percent of your daily dose of vitamin B, anything. Yeah, you know what I mean. It is just like if you're having 8,000 percent of your daily dose of vitamin B and Each can and you're having three cans a day, so how many months?
Speaker 1:how many months worse is, is that in a day. You know it's insane.
Speaker 2:You know it's like your, your liver, your liver can't handle that like it's. It is like it's like. I think people are like, oh, it's a vitamin. It's like, yeah, you're right, you're not giving your liver, you know, I'll in all today, jess, but you're. It's like going to a car and Filling up its gas tank to the point where, like, you've emptied the gas stations reserves. You know what damn, why will my car wise, my car on fire, and it's just like I don't know, bro, is one of those things. But so that's so, and I think I thought you know, since your business, you know you do radon.
Speaker 1:I thought you just say this 240 days Worth. That's insane a day if you're doing 8,000 percent three times a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's crazy dude, is that right? Yeah, dude. That's, that's a year on the can I think? years worth in a day, I think it's a nox that I remember reading it was just like 8,000 percent, or maybe it was 3,000 percent of your daily dose of vitamin B. I was like, good thing I only have these like once a month me, you know, like when I really need it for a driver's only because other like otherwise I'd be kind of concerned, anyways, with your job on radon. Back to this radiated radioactive stuff. I thought you'd have heard about this, but these were plates and dishes known as fiesta, where hmm, wait, how long ago I came out night, so 1936 and 1943 hold on.
Speaker 1:I just say okay, keep going.
Speaker 2:I got, I guess I want you to tell me what you're concerned or what your thoughts are. I want you to educate me after I give you the years. Okay, yeah, yeah. First running was with natural uranium To create a glaze for fiesta red from 1936 and 1943. Then they used depleted uranium, which is so people know. Depleted uranium is what we use for like anti material tank rounds.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, it's still it. It stays right here. I'll tell you this depleted uranium stays radioactive for a forever still and there's, and then it turns into radium, and then it stays radioactive forever still, till it becomes radon and then it goes away and then it's a gas in your house. Yeah, but the lifespan of that is, for all intents and purposes, of being a human who lives 80 years. It's, it's forever.
Speaker 2:It's a solar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:That was fiesta red fiesta wear from 1959 to 1969 and then the last run was 1969 to 1973, when a fiesta red fiesta iron stone was made using depleted uranium oh my god. And they came in a bunch of different colors. The most popular ones were like these orange ones and I'll show you. I mean it's kind of like weird because I've looked at I'm like I've eaten off that plate at Mexican restaurant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cuz I have that bowl like. But here's the deal cuz fiesta we're. The reason I say this is yes, we're still a product out there and like. Not radioactive right, that's what we got for, like our wedding, like whatever. Like that was the gift, like I got fiesta, wear out the yin-yang. But good thing, it's the modern stuff. I guess who knows what's in there. Yeah, who knows what's in that, oh man you should you?
Speaker 2:should you have the measurement tools?
Speaker 1:don't you, little guy, your counter on you should you should like measure your fiesta wear.
Speaker 2:Bro, come back and report, but, dude, this is alright. So this was the exposure to the body from the gamma rays Admitted by this ceramic glaze. Mm-hmm, if you stood one foot away from it and it was a 10 inch plate. Dude, help me understand how to read these. 6.5 by 10 to the negative fourth, m rims per hour.
Speaker 1:I don't deal in in radioactive things that are that highly radioactive, that's a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're one foot away, that's not. You're getting exposed to per hour from a 10 inch plate.
Speaker 1:And everybody's got ten of them. Yeah, you stack your head.
Speaker 2:We're doing the dishes, eating your food off of it. The exposure to the hands from the bayonet particles was a big one, like upon contact. This is crazy. If you're one foot near it you get point eight four m rads per hour, mmm, and if you just touch it it goes from point eight four to twenty four m rads per hour, just to touch it. Oh my gosh, that's bonkers. Anyways, there was a big recall. I remember hearing, like from a science teacher, something about it, and you know, I think it was before you or I were born when they did the big recall and got it all back. But you know, wouldn't be surprised if that same town was the town that also helped paint for, yes, to wears uranium glaze.
Speaker 1:Hmm, yeah, so I'm converting this over into what I work in just to see the and so how's that company selling business?
Speaker 2:Do the same reason that agricultural companies are in business when we have a lot of questionable you know Correlation evidence that roundup causes autism? Yeah, oh my gosh. Tell us, pat, what's the math.
Speaker 1:I'm still. I'm still working right because I do ideal in trillions mm-hmm of a Curie which is every trillion particles for them are like that radiation, right, and this is this is saying that one Em rad is like a Trillion, a Trillion so like.
Speaker 2:So the so point for emirates per hour is a trillion peak occur it's something like that.
Speaker 1:Where it's like it's bro in touching, it is 24 trillion. It's something like that. Do the math goes off?
Speaker 2:the rails pass on the side.
Speaker 1:We're just like it is not good for you, oh my gosh like don't touch that no kidding.
Speaker 2:What's funny is in the picture it's a dude touching it like hand on the plate, holding it up to show you that the bottom Says fiesta, wear no glove, gosh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the yeah, that's, yeah, that's off the charts. I mean, that's melting your hands and stuff.
Speaker 2:You know, right, this you know in time In due time, bury me with my fiesta wear, so that way I just turn into a sludge or a superhero, or yeah, or I come back as like an undead superhero, right, exactly?
Speaker 1:I don't think that's how that works, not according to the Comics I've read. I think you're in the right track.
Speaker 2:Anywho.
Speaker 1:So what are we doing to our bodies? Yeah, what are we crazy. What's happening?
Speaker 2:Speaking of jet streams and what they're doing to our bodies. Hmm, did you follow all the stuff about the f-35 jet? I?
Speaker 1:I. I followed, I've looked a little bit of it and then I did listen to the 911 call. That was a great call, oh my gosh, the. To the 911 operators credit like they do have questions, they have to ask and also it would be so confusing to get that call. Yeah, but she just sounded so incompetent. It's just like I, ejected from an airplane. Please send an ambulance. Are you hurt? I'm like he's like I. I Crash, landed an airplane, please send an ambulance. You know just like well, you didn't crash land right, but like that like to like. You know to like iterate like I, it's surprise, ejected. Yeah, it's just like please. So, uh, so I don't know what. I haven't looked up into it. So it did the. Has there been reports of what happened? Was there a failure? What did he have to? Why did he have to eject? Have they found?
Speaker 2:it. Yet they have found the debris in South Carolina. But I just think they're just saying that it's pretty small state as far as like no, I'm just gonna. I'm just think they're saying this that way we don't know that they can't find it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if there's no pictures From bystanders on.
Speaker 2:On the internet from the exploded jet record didn't, didn't happen. Um, no, so Excuse me, good, sorry. Um, what occurred is that there was like a computer malfunction that thought the pilot was in danger and an auto ejected him. Oh my gosh, so is that the jets? Could? The jet is still, like, programmed to fly itself away from Population centers without a pilot, so it doesn't like it's supposed to iron man that shit. You know. I mean like go or sorry, I'm giant yeah. Oh, what are you doing? If it's that intelligent, it should be able to land itself. Well, they technically do, you know. I mean, like we have, most planes can do that, like now, like, oh, they can do just about everything other than put the wheels on the ground, make it pretty close. Like you got to be the one to kind of yoke it onto the ground, but otherwise, you know, it was pretty crazy. I remember before I even it was like 15 minutes before I heard it I'm on a call, I work for the contracting corp, like company, and I have some people who are in Virginia, near DC, and I hear through our teams call the sound of jets and they're like, oh sorry, if you heard that, I'm here at the Air Force Base or Naval Base or whatever. I can't remember what they said and I was like you know, we were like no worries, whatever. And then, like two minutes later, I hear the sound like low, loud jets over my apartment and I'm like, huh, it all was like at the same time. I'm like, okay, coins.
Speaker 1:And you guys also doing the math Real quick.
Speaker 2:I knew they didn't fly from Virginia to Colorado, right as I was like let's like, let's just see you know what comes out. And then, sure enough, like five minutes later is when they announced we can't find this plane and I was like, oh, they're scrambling, like you're just sending everyone out in search of it. I didn't go find it, yeah, and like, but it was pretty funny, you know, to like hear that like across the nation kind of simultaneously, like everybody go find that. Yeah, I just I don't know. I think it's cool, but like a lot of people memed it pretty hard and I love the memes that come out of it when it was like a lot of people quoting Biden saying you know, if you want to take on the US government in a revolutionary war, you're going to need F-35s, and it's like. So it was like looks like we started on that process. Like what did you say? Yeah, and I thought I just thought that was pretty ironic, you know, because it was, it was a good touch down.
Speaker 1:I guess, but that's a big ass thing to misplace.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and like the phrasing is dumb. Yeah, I was like to say we lost at F-35. To say the US government has lost in F-35 is not ever like what you know what the public thinks. Oh my God, someone hijacked at F-35 and is flying around with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or smuggling it off of a boat. Exactly, I thought it was like you know they were doing some like you know, some logistics work. They're like where's plane number 301? They're like we haven't seen it in a few months. We're not sure.
Speaker 2:You know like that sort of thing. Exactly that's what I thought too, that like to hear the real story I'm like why did the media even need to know about that? You know what I mean. Like was it like the 911 operator or something like that? Like that just doesn't even seem to me like that much of a story. It just seems to me like I guess, yes, it would have been way more of a story if it flew into a building or like it exploded in a population center. But I was also like I don't think the civilian population is educated as much as I am about like our current military industrial complex and I know like what a lot of F 35s can be loaded out with as like a standard munitions load. Like you guys thought 9-11 was bad, yeah. Like one dude, like one competent pilot with an F 35 could level a city like just prioritizing a few missile strikes and then let in that 50 cal, you know, just gun, buzz out until it's out of ammunition, take out infrastructure Like you're bringing down a city easy. You know what I mean. And one plane, and so that's why I'm just kind of like. I was just like that does. That didn't seem to me very responsible on the media's part to phrase it that way.
Speaker 1:Right and to and for like to make us look nationally just so, or internationally just like, makes looks so dumb and meanwhile Putin is like looking like he's playing 40 chess. Yeah, yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2:With who was the name of the guy that he killed.
Speaker 1:The Wagner group leader.
Speaker 2:I was Wagner.
Speaker 1:His name is like his name is like Prussia or some Prishevich.
Speaker 2:Bro, why the fuck was that guy getting out of a plane? Like why are you getting on a plane in Russia? Like think, bro, yeah, like I wonder if Putin really hit him with a. Don't worry, comrade, everything will be forgiven.
Speaker 1:There's a video of them like hugging right before I've heard like he's speculating like was it like?
Speaker 2:thank you Putin. I know it was a misunderstanding, yeah.
Speaker 1:And Putin gave him the kiss of death.
Speaker 2:Like, did he really Like?
Speaker 1:I mean like kiss him on the cheek and that's kind of the the, the speculation is like you know they were everything you know.
Speaker 2:They just called me when you land, comrade.
Speaker 1:Gosh, Dan. Oh, dude it per se pregosin. Pregosin is his name, so that's not how you say it. But yeah, he got taken out. And for the 75, I was wondering, do you know, did it like have a? Why did it think he was in danger, Like they thought, like?
Speaker 2:did it think it was a straight up a glitch Like, but like there's a malfunction in the process, did it think?
Speaker 1:that like is it reading like vitals? And it thinks like oh, you, you're no. Or is it like, uh, like they think?
Speaker 2:as best as I can tell it, thought like I mean vitals are being read like back to command. You know, because, like all that data is recorded to like analyze, like, is this pilot healthy enough to fly right now or whatever. You know right, do this pilot have a heart attack while flying the plane? All I know from like what the like people who you know, all I know of, like what they can say to the media, from like these military blogs that would be in the know of it, have said, like this is like a very foreseeable malfunction. It's just that it shouldn't have happened at this stage in the F 35s. You know, development should have happened years ago and so for like this bug to get this far in the process is pretty like unheard of. But like the idea of like a bug like this coming like, apparently, like a bugs like this have happened before in like grounded Sims where, like they're telling the jet, like you know, it doesn't have any fuel, right, it is like it's just like testing electronics and it's like the jets, like the jet thinks it's flying and the jets, like pilot is dead, eject, and they're like, okay, well, that works because there is no pilot in the chair and it's thinks like the pilot's dead or something right you know like it's trying to deal with that. So all I said I don't know what the specific issue was, but it apparently just malfunctioned, thinking the pilot needed to get ejected, which is so still so, like, all I thought about when I heard of that was the Fast and Furious 2 movie too fast to furious, or they put the nitrous oxide tanks underneath the passenger seats and they're driving two separate cars. You don't remember this. I'm trying to remember it right now, oh my gosh, it was so good. And like they're like well, hit the switch and the door detaches and then the seat tilting ejects the passenger out the door, like out the open door, and what's the main guy's name, paul Walker's character, his bugs up or something I can't remember. But it was so funny when it happened on screen because it was pretty practical. It wasn't like CGI, you know, yeah, and it was pretty cool. I was just thinking of that and like the auto eject.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was thinking of that old movie Stealth with the plane that goes rogue, the computer.
Speaker 2:I don't remember that.
Speaker 1:What it was Jamie Foxx and Josh Lucas, the Home Depot voice commercial guy now, but anyways they and it's just a movie where, basically, they have this new plane that flies itself and it goes a little haywire as these things do, and they got to go take it out. God, I just hope they actually freaking found that thing and it's you know.
Speaker 2:Bro, it seems to me like Stealth is a dog duty movie.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, definitely, definitely was, but it was great when I was 12. Gotcha and the just if other countries got their hands on that sort of stuff, it'd be a bummer. Oh wait, they might have when we left all that shit over there in Afghanistan, but anyways.
Speaker 2:Bro dude, we sound like such grouchy curmudgeons but like I, swear I will always be grouchy about Afghanistan. You know what I mean. Like I'll always be bitter about the way we pulled out of this.
Speaker 1:It's just embarrassing. It's just embarrassing.
Speaker 2:So poorly handled and it just made everyone who, like you know, I never served, but I'm friends with a lot of people work with a lot of people who did and not one of them has ever told me that they felt like it was worth it, right With what they were like in that specific theater. I know people who were like no, I feel like we did what we needed to do when we were going after Saddam. Like I've met people who were like I feel like going after Saddam was the right call and I, but like I don't know anyone who was like, yeah, afghanistan was a great decision. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And regardless of, like the longterm part, just even that, the short term, that pull out as far as, like I think you honestly could have picked any five, you won 18, 19 year old Marines and had them plan it way way more successfully and way better than it, than it went down. Yeah, I know Shit, you know, like there wasn't a plan.
Speaker 2:I know what was crazy I like. I was like, oh man, tell me if this is the most like curmudgeon thing. I was driving up these high schoolers to the high school retreat you know we had a car, pull a bunch of them up to the mountains for it and one of them asked me about, like, my opinions. I just was telling I was asking, like, what they're? You know what they're talking about at school and stuff, what they're learning, what they're liking. And one of them was like, well, what, what? What are your opinions about? Like, do you think it was worth us with going over to like the Middle East? And it was weird because you know they're at the age where, like, everything's the Middle East. And they weren't every conflict is just the Middle East. It's not like separate conflicts. In their eyes, like Afghanistan is Iran and Iraq.
Speaker 1:And, like these kids, were born in 2010.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'd say most of them were 2010,. 2005 to 2010.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just wait. We'd already been there for the big parts of it for five to 10 years, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and like 9-11 was over you know, so like they don't understand why all of us are pissed. But like it's one of those things where I just like I'm like such a like, just a commudative, like what do you think is going to happen when you like have a hole in the ground Right, like imagine you're on the beach, you dig a hole on the beach, what's going to happen? The moment you you step away from it and you stop trying to keep the water out, water is going to fill that vacuum up. But they felt, they felt really like they asked a lot of good questions and, like you know, they really were like curious about like well, why was it a bad, you know, pullout plan? What was an example of a good one? And I educated them also on like the, what was the one in Vietnam? That was essentially a same damn thing that happened in Afghanistan. It was like the fall of.
Speaker 1:Hanoi, yeah, hanoi, yeah, hanoi, yeah, when we put out of there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like almost identical photos. Dude, when they I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean you can do that anyway, you want to have it. This didn't take a lot of like Photoshop effort to. I saw it to you. They they mirrored them together and blended them and then see pullout embassy pullout yeah. The same chopper. Oh shit, dude, like good my God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was pretty bonkers. Anyways, I'm already an old fart dude. I'm already an old fart about it and I, you know, I don't think I'd be nearly as upset if, like I didn't have like friends who were veterans that just like the moment, the moment I'm like the moment we're not talking about something and they can kind of like vent about that. And then they do. And then I hear how frustrated and upset they are and like they go into a long, detailed explanation of all the ins and outs and like the people they're worried about that are still over there that they worked with, and then I'm just like I get it, okay, I'm, I just listened to that guy explain that for two hours. I've listened to several guys and gals now explain it for their their chunk of time and I'm pissed too, like I'm pissed for them. You know, and it makes me real sad. But anyway, that's a dude, we're covering a lot of topics. I feel like that warrants like a whole nother thing, because so many people don't even know Roll into a whole nother.
Speaker 1:part two of this thing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think maybe, but maybe next episode we do, we should actually have like a. Maybe we just do our research and do like a breakdown of the fall of the noi and the execution of the pull out of Afghanistan, and like the parallels and like why, why it was bad and poorly done. Cause I think there's a lot of people who get defensive, right, cause they're like I don't know why, you know whatever reason they want, but like they get defensive because they don't actually understand like how we failed, you know I mean it hasn't been explained to them and how we should have done it differently. You know, cause a lot of people this is the only time they've seen America leave a conflict, and so they're not like they're like well, isn't that what we do? Is that like don't we just leave all of our shit there?
Speaker 1:And I was just like honestly, I think some people need it, like broken down in a simple way, not aggressively, so that way they can understand like where we failed and the yeah, and the really understanding it from the upper leadership standpoint, how that, basically how that culminated through, you know, years and years and years and years of very similar things. That happened in Vietnam with the, with the upper echelon folks, um, having to justify their existence through numbers, um, and that same thing happened again. So there's lots of things we could dive into there that would actually, I think people would be like I didn't know about, that Kind of like uh, the. I was thinking have you, have you been asked about how often you think about Rome? They did.
Speaker 2:My wife, billy Jean, after that several weeks ago and I was like every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean some. Some guys said I was like full of crap and I'm like cause I was like you know, like good, like good three times a week, you know, and they're like I'm probably pushing three times a day recently. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, and it just like it's funny how that's um. I think it really shows where, in general, men and women's like minds differ on like just how we, how we not only see the world, but how we also um view. I think I have anything to say. It's simply basically like um how relevancy, I would say this like like, at night, falling asleep, my wife's like concerns that are going through her head are like um, the boys have a doctor's appointment tomorrow. I've got to make sure that I'm ready for, you know, this other thing that's going on on Tuesday and then I'm also have, um, you know, x Y, z throughout the week that has to get taken care of and I've got to make sure that I get this um errand ran before this or I won't have the right stuff to get that done. And I'm and that's like causing like a little bit of uh, anxious stress thought process, right, and I'm laying in bed thinking about how America is mirroring the fall of the Roman empire and like stressed out about that. Like that's like where my, my mind's going to like these, like we're just in different places that that female views actually going to be probably much more uh Vital, productive and vital to the existence and the and the ongoing, you know, uh keeping the family, everything moving forward, whereas my thing I'll just think about forever and not execute any actual change in it. But then also, if you don't have, if you don't have both of those thought processes going like, you got to have those things working in tandem, you know. And so to boil it down pretty generally, that's that. I think that's kind of what's what's going on for lots of I mean, there's lots of guys just sitting around who are like stressed out about uh, the, uh, the, the future and the, because we're we're kind of geared towards this, maybe like leadership mindset or like take it to way back in the day, like there was way more opportunity to be like the quote unquote king or chief, like because there was like 40 of you, like you were the head of the tribe or whatever, and like you could like then strategize and pushing things forward and like how are we going to? You know this land's going to be, you know ours in a few years, after we do this maneuver. And then you know this type of thing, and now there's this lot of guys who we don't have the opportunity for. That we don't have. We we're never going to be in that position, but that sort of like. But if it comes, yeah, yeah, I know, right, I know, but just like to to be like we don't have the opportunity to step into that role necessarily, but it's still. That's kind of how our minds and brains operate towards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think, uh, I think that warrants its own observation episode. I'll say this Wait, wait, wait, wait. Is that spit?
Speaker 1:No, it just. That's what this is. No, this is just quaff, a nectar. It does look a little spitty.
Speaker 2:I'll say that, uh, last night, in fact last night as I was in my car, about to go up the steps to my house, I was thinking, you know, the elite literally gorged themselves on the highest attainable form of time occupation that they could, to the point they were sick and would have, like you know, the Roman uh hedonism 1% were able to nightly go and feast until they threw up in their stomachs and body hurt so much from eating food that they had stretchers just next to their chairs for servants to help roll them onto and then lift them up and carry them to bed. And that was the highest level door dash.
Speaker 1:That was I mean no, we're not even there, because that's not even that's not like the highest level of wealth.
Speaker 2:Now, right, right, right, I would. I would like the thing that I think is like the highest level currently is, you know of like that mimics, that kind of hedonism, gorging is and I say this as someone who isn't at the highest level but in the grand scheme of the world, I think it's media consumption. I think the ability to like until my eyes are sore and my head hurts and I'm not aware that I'm hungry and thirsty, I can distract myself with media consumption and I think that's like the new form of ultra wealth is being able to consume that, like it used to be food and as time went on, it, you know, changing to other forms. And I think at this point it's like the gluttony is being able to constantly entertain and dopamine rush your brain from stimulation in front of your eyes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can spend all your time in the Colosseum. Just put that screen on your face and you're there.
Speaker 2:Dude, and that was we'll talk. We should touch on that too. But the latest meta stuff we'll talk about that. The latest metaverse, some pretty insane developments coming out of the metaverse and it's just like one of the things like I'm like dang dude, this is crazy. I used to fantasize about this being reality one day and now I want nothing to do with it. I don't want to spend a single day in the metaverse.
Speaker 1:Yep, I wanted the ability to go on on the Lord of the Rings adventure. Yeah, like a hundred, like you. Just you're there, you're in it, but as these other things come out, you know it's like that was just a fun thought. Now it's just, it's so quickly just divulging.
Speaker 2:They want you to work in the metaverse. They want you to enjoy your house in the metaverse while you live in a pod, and I'm just like that.
Speaker 1:Wally the matrix, dude, wally and the matrix, the freaking matrix, yeah.
Speaker 2:Plug in. You live in a big city.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:In reality, you're just a body in a pod, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh man, anyway, resist the pod.
Speaker 2:Resist the red pill.
Speaker 1:Take the red pill.
Speaker 2:I think it was the red pill in the matrix that woke him up, or was it the blue one? Oh, I don't remember Shit. That's part of the matrix, dude, we're already in. We're already in, dude, forgotten, have you seen? No, we got to edit.
Speaker 1:Oh, we got to edit, we got to edit.
Speaker 2:I got to go to bed. Hey, all right. Ken, thanks for freaking joining us. We got a lot to talk about next time. We got notes down. Hopefully it'll be something interesting and a value to you. Appreciate you all coming in and listening to you. The show, pat. You got anything you want to sign off with?
Speaker 1:No, I don't think so Not today.
Speaker 2:Dude, I'm always setting you up, I'm upset for that spike. I know. Just go with the good old trusted Till next time, that one. Till next time.