Brews N' Reviews - Trve Detective; Part 5

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We ride together. We die together. Bad boys for life Get busy living, Fuck that busy dying Gank first blast. Please don't entertain. Oh, you've got to entertain.

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Welcome to Brews and Reviews with Mick and Pat. I'm Mick.

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And I'm Pat.

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And each week we sit down with you to generous, to pretend we're certified Cicceroans and Cinephiles, that is right.

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So grab a cold one and join us as we review True Brewing's Blood Acts and True Detective Night Country Season 4, part 5.

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And if you've been with us before, you know what time it is. Release the Kraken. True Brewing what a what a metal. One of the most metal. Yeah, labels they've got.

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You know what I mean, this one in Skoll Seeker, or like the just real, real deal, mm-hmm, harnessing that inner aggression that lives within man, because once again we have a matte black can with some artwork and on here we've got in the background, a crescent moon, just like tonight, and there's some red in here, some red accents. There's been a lot of green, a lot of green accents last year. This one's got the red. It's the. What do they say about red? It's like the most. It incites the most emotion in people.

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Oh, yeah, right.

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And there's this well kind of severed zombie hand.

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Kind of looks like a zombie lady hand, though.

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Yeah, it is a little bit feminine on the pointing nail and it's holding a inverted axe.

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Yeah, like Viking style.

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With the. Viking engraving Mm-hmm and it appears to have been thoroughly used. Yeah, it's looking stuff A little chipped and I think the handle is a bone.

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Oh yeah, looks like a femur.

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Yeah, the handle is a bone, so that's a little bit crazy.

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It's a Nordic style ale brood with grains of paradise and orange peel, peel Dude. I'm dyslexic in my brain, so I'll go in and write in and tell me what the condition is, where I mix up the letters in my words.

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This one is an ale. It's got the Troubadour Truth and antero malts, the hops being magnum, and the adjuncts. We haven't seen any adjuncts on any of their beers yet, but it's orange peel and grains of paradise.

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So what's an adjunct? I think I'm just like adjunct professor, yeah, and I think of like yeah, is that a part of speech?

Speaker 2: 3:56

I don't know, but I'll look it up. An adjunct, what is the word adjunct? So we kind of we're probably kind of have like a I'm assuming kind of like a blood orange ale type thing going on. You know, I don't say blood orange on here.

Speaker 3: 4:12

I don't think it is. You know it's not. I don't think it is, I think. I mean, I'll tell you that if that is what they're going for, don't taste like it. But, adjuncts are anything added beyond what is considered the basic beer recipe of malt, hops, yeast and water. Anything added in after that that is not a version of those is considered an adjunct, which is a lot of things that are technically versions of water. You could get away with this.

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This is true. That's good. I took my first sip. Have you had this one before?

Speaker 3: 4:51

Ask me that on the show yeah. Yeah. No, I've had this one about three or four times, but I got to get a good picture here. I've been updating our socials with the latest reviews and I had to fix them because I realized I did my math wrong, really, and I got an old achievement for like blurry eyed vision or something like that. It said you're either blasted or having tasters. Because I changed 15 reviews and like I updated 15 reviews on one day, oh yeah.

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So that's what the little award they gave you was for just being a fiend or viewing out there.

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But it's got this really beautiful. I mean not brown, not golden, just like honestly orange. Like what orange? Like streetlight orange, you know, like we all call it the yellow light, but it's actually orange and that's kind of the color it is, it is.

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And I don't know if we have. We had a Nordic styled ale on here before we had something else.

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We've never had Einstak or any of the versions of Einstak.

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So I wonder what makes a Nordic style ale and Nordic style ale and the probably the blood that is the real blood of enemies in here. What's the deal with that? Did you have any Nordic styled ales over in Iceland?

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Iceland yeah, I had a lot. There was like we went to a couple of bars where there are even like local breweries in Iceland and sampled their stuff.

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This is from the interwebs and it says the Nordic ale, a malt forward drink with a redolence of juniper and a wood smoked flavor. Only tradition can create. Hmm, so I guess I don't know.

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Smokey. Hmm, I don't know much beer that goes for smokey. Yeah me neither. Wood smoked flavor. I kind of taste it, though I think a little bit. Hmm. But you know, we'll really bring it out. Hmm.

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Old swish test Certainly should push it through your teeth. I even thought about it to try to say the right one. I wasn't trying to get you, I was trying to say the correct one.

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Alrighty, take a tablespoon amount of the beer and let it roll over your tongue Coat, totally coat the tongue, every taste bud, and let it roll back down to your molars and then switch it side to side between those molars and then put your tongue against the roof of your mouth and push the beer in front of your tongue, through the front of your teeth, through your front teeth. Oh yeah, I can hear that. Yeah, just like that. Good, pat, good. And then that should really aerate it and bring out a lot of the flavors that might be hidden or more subtle. And while I do mind, pat, tell me what you're getting, what you're picking up.

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I think I'm getting orange. I think the orange is coming through a lot more. Yeah, like what about smoky woody? I don't know if that's just if I'm being influenced now by my, by having read that I do feel like I'm tasting some little little bit of that, but I think it's just because I read that. Now I'm thinking about something that's smoky and Once again, with these beers, they're just well, they're just smooth.

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When you said orange, in my mind I was thinking orange peel mm. Like an.

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IPA like that bitter, Like Tom numbing numbing part of the orange peel. But what I taste more is orange flesh.

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Oh, yes, you know, I mean it tastes, it tastes way more like the flesh of the orange, like an orange.

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Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. That's not a taste I think is usually in beer. Mm-hmm, wow, that's really weird. I'm shocked. I haven't ever taste that before. Like I said, I've had this about three or four times and I Haven't ever noticed that.

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But 6% ABV. It's not super high, but also High for what I'm tasting. You know it's yeah, it doesn't taste very it doesn't taste very high, but it tastes good. It tastes like you could just drink this all the time.

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Oh, I caution against that.

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It's good. Yeah, what? What can I say about true Brute like slapping?

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it out of the park. It's just brutal dude, how good they are compared to everyone else. I'm sure people are like God. I'm so sick of these shills every week shilling and I'm just like dude look, it's good beer. What do you want me to say? I haven't had a bad beer by them. So you know, not having a lot of Nordic style air ill, I will say that this is a. Now that after tasting it and having it so many times, I kind of want to go back and try some on stock Mm-hmm.

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Use me just to try some side by side.

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Yeah, it's a challenge because I do remember the I'm stuck being like, Having a sharp crispiness to it but not bitter like IPA you know, like way more, like in the vein of like a real pilsner stuff, like that.

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Yeah.

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I think that was just like their flagship beer. But I do want to go through and see if, like any, if there's any other kind of Nordic Brood beers that have that kind of smoke, because I think I do actually taste the smokiness Now that I've kind of switched it around a couple times, you know mm-hmm. I think it's kind of there as an aftertaste, and I'm just not used to smokiness on my beer. Mm-hmm unless it's like a bad whiskey Aged beer and then it just tastes like smoky whiskey beer and I don't like that flavor at all. This is really good. I Think I'm ready to rate it. Pat, what about you? I'm really close.

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You're really close to ready. You're giving us ready because I wanted to. I was trying to see what grains of paradise are. Get through this. There's an article on if it's legal or not. I don't think that's it is grainy.

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Yes, like it is bready. Actually, it's got a bready flavor to it.

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It's looks like peppercorn, has flavors of cardamom, coriander Excuse me citrus and ginger, and it's from West Africa and that's like the mixture known as grains of paradise.

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Yeah, but what crack head down in Denver was like hey, let's make a beer with this spice from Africa. I don't know, they're onto something. You know I say that and that is probably really ignorant, because I bet a majority of spices come from Africa. No, that's probably a lot of like I think about how much the Dutch were involved in Africa, and they owned the spice trade so the amount of people who died over Getting spice across the world at one point in time. One of my favorite videos on the internet was this dude, I think you. I think you remember who you was. Was it Tom Scott? It was one of the science Fact internet guys and he broke down about like what your average, like kitchen cabinet worth of spices, like what it is today, and money and what it would have been like 200 years ago, and it's like each of us have. Each of us have like a hundred K in our, in our cabinet right now. You know, just like in comparison to what it was worth back in the day, living pretty.

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That's what I tell people at all time where I'm like we don't realize that we eat better and live better than kings and kings. Yeah, each of us a little king, most of the kings that ever existed Mm-hmm, they don't have as good as we do. Yeah, yeah, it's a grains of paradise from Africa, west Africa, used in West and North Africa, and it's a species of the ginger family. Hmm, so there you go. All right, I'm ready to rate.

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Depending on what that was, were you gonna give it a bad?

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No, I just I was wondering, like was this? Is like some special grain from, hmm, the Norse lands? Yeah okay, just North North Africa.

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All right. Well, I Think here's my biggest thing is like, because I haven't had a lot of Nordic style ale that I can recall, the taste in profile of that part is not really as much of a rating factor for me. Mm-hmm, I often think about like is this a good representation of this beer, uh type, or is this a good entry-level beer, like a good first taste Getting into this genre and all that said, also like two thumbs up is just you know, is it an excellent beer? Even above that standard? Gosh, I Will give a thumb the reason I'm giving them a thumb is because the other beers that I gave two thumbs from true brewing were above and Beyond, just simply great for their class. They were just also great of phenomenal beers and this is a good beer, especially with as cold as it is Mm-hmm like. This beer is Probably poured at like 40 degrees or something like that out of the fridge. So it's got a great flavor and crisp to it, but it's just overall Not as good as those other ones that, like dude, I just think about Dunwich yeah, I'm like you done, which was a tooth on me beer like through and through without a doubt.

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Yep, I'm right there with you. Yeah, one thumb. If I had a bunch of Nordic ales, Maybe get a tooth, um, but yeah, I haven't. I don't know of those. I'm going with a good, solid one thumb.

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Well, hey, there you go, Ken, there you go, making Pat, given the blood acts from true brewing. Just two thumbs up, one from each of us, which is an excellent review. If you mathematically equate that to a five star, that comes out to three point seven, five out of five. So there you go. If no, thumbs is two and a half, right. If no, thumbs is your middle, so there you go. Almost a four star from us here. It's really good. But I just don't know enough about Nordic beer to say it's One of the best I've ever had. But it is a great beer and you should get some. That's, that's where I stand on it. I agree. Well, let's get into something that is not two thumbs out of four. Bro dude, I got their thumbs up there.

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I got a bad news on this one, bad news for season four.

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True detective dog.

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Oh yeah, so part five a couple little things Danvers, fighting to stay on the case amid corporate and bureaucratic interference. Navarro, faced with the burial of her sister and how. That can be a near-death experience burying somebody Yep and Pete is forced to pick something. Somebody, yep and Pete is forced to pick sides. Really, in a big old way, force, big size.

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Yeah, and I think again just more and more of the like Just horse cock, of like, oh, what isn't in this town, you know, I mean, and I think that's the biggest thing I see on the red is like you know, this opens up with like a crematorium, mm-hmm. And Ennis, and Also Billy Jean was like you keep calling it Ennis. I'm like yeah, isn't that his name? She's like no, it's not Enis like penis, ennis Like men, that guess is true.

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In the opening scene with the crematorium, they the lady who handed her the urn said something long lines of don't, don't tell anyone, don't tell anyone, I let you watch.

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Oh, okay, so.

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I wasn't sure what. I wasn't sure what if it was like, I thought maybe it was for, like, pets. I wasn't really. No, I was like, did they just?

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what's going on, anyways there's people I was looking online who are like, yeah, I wasn't even, like, I didn't even live in like middle of nowhere, bum Crud, alaska, mm-hmm, and we didn't have a hospital like this, like mm-hmm, we didn't have, you know, any like crematorium and like a lot of people I just realized this for anything that's like absolute tier one triage, such as Necrosis, limbs being cut off, mm-hmm, stuff like that to try to save someone's life, the highest likelihood is that they're gonna have flown to Seattle. Yeah because that's the closest tier one hospital, mm-hmm, a tier one triage hospital. And so, um, which I think I only know about, like the triage hospitals, I thought there would have been one in Alaska, mm-hmm, just for Alaska, canada, stuff. But I only know about that because here in Northern Colorado, uh, we get a lot of flights in from Like Montana and the Dakotas, mm-hmm, because we have the closest Tier one triage hospital for, like everyone north of us, right. So I just thought that was interesting on how far sometimes people fly to get to Like Medevac, like high facility, right, but anyways. So it was just more like kind of bull crap that I was just like this is Is it unbelievable that they have a crematorium? No, but like that stacked up on top of everything and like Just all the other things that I think people have been pointing out like no matter where they go, their cell service. I'm just like, yeah, that is one thing I do remember about my time in alaska and I was a tourist and like literally five minutes outside of Fairbanks there was like no service.

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Just use the radios. It adds more dynamic to a show for real and, yeah, people don't complain.

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Yeah, but any who's um? Yeah, so we see danvruz pretty much Losing full control of the investigation when it comes to Connelly taken sides, she reveals, tells, hey, you know what we were following this lead from this crackhead, otis, who told us the mines are here. The intro was blown out. That's why we were looking and we believe annie kia was murdered there. It was just like a wow, maybe be a detective and keep shit close to your chest, dog. Yeah, like. I can't tell you how many like times I've heard detectives be like yeah, there's times we're like even my Like closest supervisor does not know what they don't need to know about the case. Because, honestly, like, at the end of the day, like this is why I like sheriff departments a little bit more to mm-hmm Sheriff departments elected and it's a little bit harder to stiff them over Than a police chief. Yep, and I know there's probably a lot of people who are police chiefs or something who are complaining, but I've yet to meet a retired police officer who doesn't think like the way a police chief is employed at whim by a city council and stuff Is a problem, like every single retired police officer I've ever spoken to is like yeah, honestly, the biggest issue is that police chief at the end of the day he serves the mayor, he does not serve the like people usually Like his job is at behest of a city councilor, mayor and so like. When I see like Connelly, like just cracking down, I'm also like the hell, does he have any authority up here, like what is this? How is this the police department setup where he can be in a whole another city. It'd be chief of this Like police department. It was really confusing to me.

Speaker 2: 22:21

I didn't like Adam. I think when they probably didn't didn't explain it was that Somehow the mind is going to be backing his run for mayor like that.

Speaker 3: 22:31

He shouldn't have any authority over Danvers to tell her the investigation right, even in general.

Speaker 2: 22:34

Yeah, yeah, no, you're right.

Speaker 3: 22:36

So that's why I'm just like confused about it. But anyways, so Danvers reveals everything to the people who probably have the most to lose and Of course they're like, well, you're done. Yeah, well, you're done. And they come up with like, honestly, like Not even something that I think anyone at home could even possibly entertain, like yeah, don't you know, they were all killed by a sudden avalanche.

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Yeah.

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What.

Speaker 2: 23:02

What dude? There's an avalanche coming. Quick, get naked and fold your clothes up. Do you have eyes?

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They were terrified piled on top of each other. You know what I mean and I guess I just thought that was a bad writing and lazy. But most of the show is most of season four is bad writing, I think, and I'm tearing into it pretty hard. But I'll explain why later. I'm super mad about this season, especially like Seeing how much Happened in this episode that could have been shown more. Like we got a pretty sweet, intimate moment of a flashback between Hank and Peter, where hanks are calling how he literally Saved his boy and pulled him out from underneath the ice. Oh yeah, and there's like this dynamic of like Hank, you could tell, is just like he's struggling man. He's a man who's got nothing and has just been beaten down and beaten down and like this catfish russian bride Was, I think, the final straw and you could tell he's just reminiscing about when he had someone who loved him. Mm-hmm. He just doesn't feel like he's got it anymore. Yep, I don't know what are your thoughts.

Speaker 2: 24:12

I'm trying not to like blow the gap cap off right now. I kind of agree as far as the show has been copping out, doing a lot of the bare minimum of. That's how I feel they've been doing the bare minimum on stuff and they've. The one thing that I noticed that I haven't liked about it is that they've had Too many characters to develop which is crazy, because that's one of the most biggest criticisms of season two. There's too many characters to yeah involved and you can have tons of characters in a show, but one thing that is key is that some people just need to be who they are, like they're. You know I'm chuck it's you know, I'm the meat man. Yeah, like commissioner gordon. Yeah, commissioner gordon.

Speaker 3: 25:01

Is always just commissioner gordon.

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You know where he stands, you know what he's gonna do, you know he's gonna say you don't need to develop the character much, you just is that you know. So you don't need to set up all these characters that have to unfold and we have to learn about them and they have to be developed. Just develop the main characters and there has to be good character development of the main characters. Then keep some things, as you know. Keep something staples, keep something solid so that you're not wasting your time chasing down all this, all this stuff and so yeah, I think I also just struggled with like man.

Speaker 3: 25:37

Isn't this revealing that? Like what I wish I had the most of right now was more lead up and fleshing out of Peter and Hank's relationship, more fleshing out of Hank's stuff, because you know you shouldn't be listening to this if you haven't watched the episode. Right, so spoilers. But Hank is approached by Kate McCormick, right, McCormick?

Speaker 2: 26:04

Something like that, mccormick, whatever, yeah, the blind lady, the blinds are.

Speaker 3: 26:09

Yeah, she approaches Hank and essentially it's revealed that she paid him originally to move Annie Kay's body from the mines where she likely was murdered and died and that she is now paying him to get rid of Otis before Danvers and Navarro can follow Otis into the mines, yeah, and originally he was supposed to be paid by getting this spot of police chief and she, so she did him dirty she did, which also makes you think like if Danvers is police chief then really Connolly should have no say over her. But if Connolly is technically police chief then, like my Kittrick probably has no intentions of honoring whatever agreement she has with Connolly to keep him there. You know what I mean. It's just kind of weird to me. But all that said, I did think it was poorly telegraphed and not like a very well eluded and let up thing, like I think there should have been more eluding of him getting paid off and bribed and being dirtier than just this one scene of like oh he's actually, you know, real dirty and I don't think he really tracked well with, like, his response to the Annie Kay documents being stolen and all he does is smack Peter right and just kind of go ghost about it. You know, stare a thousand year on the stair, you realize one day something blitz thicker than water or whatever. Right, and I thought that should have. He probably should have been I don't know a little bit sneakier or elicit more of a concern and someone might say, well, yeah, that could have given away too early and I was like I don't think it did, because I think a lot of people thought this was coming anyways from what I read online. So it's like maybe it should have just been written better, to be telegraphed a little bit better.

Speaker 2: 28:03

Or to where we like. We're either torn more about like the ending of the episode or which what? Was the ending.

Speaker 3: 28:11

You go, just go there.

Speaker 2: 28:12

Getting capped by his son.

Speaker 3: 28:14

Right, and so Hank's murdered by Peter yeah. Like not murdered by his son.

Speaker 2: 28:19

And so they did do a little heartfelt story of him saving his boy, but then also like so they either one should have made us more endeared to him, to make like us more in Pete's shoes of this tearing decision, or also made the audience more like oh no, this dude's bad. Like this dude's no good. Because, like a guy who honestly, In a small po-dunk town, Moves, you know, gets convinced of this CEO of a mind says listen, here's a deal. Man, it's horrible. This woman was murdered here. It's found on site. Here we're shut down for three months. This town's in the crapper. It's almost Christmas season. Do you think that? You know, do you want kids to have gifts? Do you want lights shut off? You know, here's the deal. We need a mover out of there. And you're gonna, you know, get a mover out of there. We'll figure out who killed her. That's not good, but we can't have this here. And you know, I think that you'd be a great person for police chief. I see you going really far. You could see somebody getting talked into that and then doing this thing. It's like a super nefarious bad person, right.

Speaker 3: 29:25

Which I think is like what they should have spent more time doing Like. I think they should have spent more time showing us as like dude. They should have shown us that he was Ray Ray from season two, conflicted, damaged man between like two. Like you know, he'd not necessarily have to be like this, but like Ray was a man who was torn between, like, an absolute desire for justice, while that desire for justice manifested in violent means. Mm-hmm that made him hate himself and expect himself to be Punished and brought to justice, right? And at the same time, it was also very much about like very complex emotions of Self-distain versus affection for someone else and taking out yourself to stain on on someone you love. Mm-hmm and all that said, he was a very complicated character. We totally knew right. Raise a bad man, mm-hmm, he was a good man too, yeah, but he was also a bad man and we all knew that watching it. I think Hank should have been that. I think Hank should have been the bad good man, mm-hmm. That we are Just a strut when he makes his choice, knowing Peter's probably gonna kill him, mm-hmm, because I think if he didn't, if he didn't think Peter was gonna kill him, he wouldn't have said like his final words his final words were the question to ominous did he?

Speaker 2: 30:59

Was that his way out?

Speaker 3: 31:01

I think it was, you know, like I think it was his way out, which was shitty. That's a shitty thing to do to your boy, yeah. At the same time, I Think we should have gotten more opportunities to see him break like I should have been more up against the wall.

Speaker 2: 31:15

Yeah, like more to a point where, like he had to, you know, like he's a man with no other, a man out of options right and all being like what we see him really get pushed up against the wall in is Almost entirely this episode.

Speaker 3: 31:30

Right like yes, we see the, like the that he was let on the love not manifest, but like that doesn't feel like it's over. Right like, especially his son reaches that time was like dad, kind of live with you, can I stay with you for a little while? Mm-hmm. Which dude also F Danvers? I know, peter, you can stay my shack up back. You're not staying at your dad's, literally uninsulated.

Speaker 2: 31:56

Spot in in the world.

Speaker 3: 31:58

Yeah, I was like there's no way. What's his name? Shack Higak. There's no way. Higak's shack was Frozen over with ice and Danvers is shacks. Still has like wood showing like that was baloney and like the way Peter walks on there and just sits down in the camping chair, like the fold-out lawn chair, like man, I guess. I guess this is where I'm gonna Sucks like you dumbass, like go hang out with your dad, dude, maybe if you're hanging out with your dad, none of this would have happened in the first place. Yeah, you know I mean. Anyways, it was just like I don't know. All that said, I thought it was too little, too late, not fleshed out enough, mm-hmm, and it didn't. It didn't serve up the shock that it could have yeah, I was still, I was still like oh damn. Yeah, but I was awesome, but I should have been like Screaming yes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:51

There's like, oh yep, that happened, yeah, but you did get, as predicted, your big showdown at the mine. How did it leave you feeling?

Speaker 3: 33:03

did I get a showdown? Oh yeah, the beginning is episode the, so I'm bro, dumb riot control gosh.

Speaker 2: 33:14

But some of the stuff you said did kind of. You said that Navarro was gonna have to pick sides between the mining people and the native people. Yeah, you got. You had a couple things right in there.

Speaker 3: 33:23

She bonked to that one cop. Yeah, also the way that, well, like there's that one cop, I could keep from laughing because he just like is it is riot control, he's holding on to someone and then his whole body is shaking, really not even shaking the person Like then, but that person is shaking themselves. They're both just a good stop grabbing each other and then he grabs on another dude and like it was like. I was just like who taught this person how to act? Like it was. Like it was like, rather than really wrestle, just shake yourselves while holding on to each other. And I was just like this is awful dude.

Speaker 2: 33:56

Oh, it's supposed to be shooting each other. Yeah, you're supposed to be clobbering. Yeah, we don't want to see like a well, a well maintained Perimeter, like like. We don't want to see like a textbook riot control situation. We want to see all hell breaking lives.

Speaker 3: 34:12

We want to see like something wild detective guys and it didn't even get that wild, like listen.

Speaker 2: 34:16

We lived through 2020. We just watched riot videos every damn day. Mostly that was a mostly peaceful protest for us on the peacefulest protest I've seen in my whole life. Yeah, come on.

Speaker 3: 34:25

I also don't know what happened to make them Snap. Why did the? Why did the like it? Was it just that they got hit with a bottle of?

Speaker 2: 34:33

dirty water, something like that. You know, it's just like you know. And then it was. It was crap payoff and it was bad they should have been a.

Speaker 3: 34:41

There should have been a big Like the fact that the miners just like got to squeeze by them and go inside to work behind. I was just like.

Speaker 2: 34:49

I was like lame yeah it's all lame in the the Girls girlfriend sherry ditched her.

Speaker 3: 34:58

Yeah this year. Wow, what a payoff to that story line. What a payoff to the protest storyline. I'm sure I'm sure we'll get no, I'm not sure I was gonna say I'm sure we'll get a little bit better of a conclusion to that in the next episode. Nope, also, leah, still absolutely a frickin dingus trash. What mom, you're letting me go to jail? You mean you're gonna make me experience the consequences to my actions? Oh and then, because didn't she clobber? She hit like one of those yet officers?

Speaker 2: 35:30

Yeah, she's salted an officer that guy turned around and was like lapped her with his night stick.

Speaker 3: 35:34

Which I'm not saying that was the right reaction. Those guys seemed a little overzealous. Maybe the like the poise into the water, right, but I'm just gonna be like. I'm also just like You're really complaining that your mom's gonna let you go to jail I did. One of the best things I ever saw Was this girl cry about getting pulled over by the cops at a gas station and says my dad's a cop and like he shows up Like she's on, she's under arrest, she's in the back of the car. He's like All right, is she okay, though she didn't hurt anyone. And she's not hurt, like no, she's fine. She hit a pole and she's drunk yeah, she was drunk. And like he goes up to her and he's like honey, you're going to jail. She's like You're going to jail, I will bail you out tomorrow, but you're going to die. And this is like you there consequences to your actions. We'll go to court, we'll deal with this. I am not gonna lose my job or put my job at risk to get you out of your consequences.

Speaker 2: 36:26

Yeah, or even like he would Jeopardize his job to take care of his daughter. But the best thing you could do to take care of his daughter, it's a letter, letter.

Speaker 3: 36:35

There's a chance of great yeah and so and people were like I've heard people be like how, if you had a heart and if you knew a jail is like you would never allow a child to go there. I'm like, no, no, I do know what it's like prison. I spent a lot of time there.

Speaker 2: 36:48

In like jail.

Speaker 3: 36:49

I would fight to keep my child from going like into the system. You know I would try to get them a good lawyer. But here's the thing, bro, like one night, one night sitting there if my kid, if my kid gets in a drunken bar fight, mm-hmm, like, yeah, he beat the snot out of a dude. But you know, it's just the way it is. He's got, he's got a cool off here and we're gonna have a court for assault charges. I'm like, all right, I well, I'll come get him in the morning, I guess. Yeah, let's bail out. Oh, I'll give him in a couple weeks wait for that.

Speaker 2: 37:24

And so then, golly G, don Willikers, these kids these days, oh, are we supposed to be connected to Leah? Are we supposed to be connected to the protesters? Because here's the deal. I don't know if, like other viewers, are like really vibing on her.

Speaker 3: 37:40

I haven't really connected to her. I haven't seen one thing on the reddit of like. I really like Leah.

Speaker 2: 37:45

Everyone is like Leah and Kayla worse people in the show because, because the the line that I will the least, my least favorite line of it was when she looked at her mom, said Liz, I haven't given up on you yet. What the hell are you talking about? It was the most arrogant, f'd up thing. It was giving me serious. Ray and Luke Skywalker Vibes when they're on the island and she, like, all of a sudden, magically learns the force and just puts the greatest master down of all time and just walks over him. Yeah, do you remember that feeling you felt inside of yourself? I? Did you feel, feelings, or at that point where you just totally giving up on it.

Speaker 3: 38:22

I don't know I that I don't want to think about when I watch that.

Speaker 2: 38:26

But I've seen it once, the point being like this like arrogant young generation of like you are idiots. You don't get it. You don't know anything about the world, and I have personally arrived to enlightenment and someday you'll get there too.

Speaker 3: 38:41

You know what honestly, I do think that Danvers, as a mother, has overstepped a little bit in her daughter's ability, mm-hmm, to self-identify Mm-hmm, and we know why. We know it doesn't come down to race. We know it has nothing to do with racial disdain or hate towards those like towards the in you pack or anything like that. We know what Danvers does feel, though, mm-hmm, is a sense of fear that if her daughter identifies as part of that culture, then she might Fall like she might become a victim. The same way those other individuals become victims, right, she might become an Annie K Yep, and that is a fear I recognize and I understand that a parent can have. Mm-hmm at the same time, I do think Danvers was overzealous and that, like it went from Leah, I'm concerned that you might die like the other ones I've seen died murdered at the hands of abusive husbands, alcoholic boyfriends, murdered in a Shaft and left to die like, left to rot until so in founder, like these women Don't have a lot of people defending them and I want to protect you Because I know I can't protect all of them and I know I can't protect you. If you totally Like get consumed into this culture. That could have been a way more adult conversation that Leah probably would have responded Well to them. Like I told you to wipe that shit off your face. Yeah, grateful bitch, it's just like okay, all right, yeah, so like you're overstepping out as a mom out of fear, and as a widow. You know what I mean. So I can, I can see what's going on here. All that said, leah, also you. She's a teenager, we can't expect too much, but she's also one of the brattiest, most entitled, arrogant, nearsighted people I've ever seen in fictional media. And the fact that she was arguing with her mom about child pornography on her phone you know what I mean when her mom's literally a cop and could tell her I cannot save you if someone decides to charge you for filming that. It doesn't matter what your age is, you have that on your phone. You are going like you recorded yourself with an underage minor. It doesn't matter that you're an underage minor, you're both. You're both screwed. Oh yeah, that's distribution, bro. You're both like if anyone wants to charge you for that, you can go. You can face serious stuff. And I just remember, like thinking like the way she was, like what did she even say to her? She was like I think for the first episode she was like we didn't even have sex. I'm like it doesn't matter, you dumbass, you can't, it's illegal, no matter what. And so it was just one of those things like I just she's one of the worst characters and Kayla is just as bad dude, like, and she even had a line. Yet yeah, yeah, she just tells them like you're not, go home, go away, get out. Yeah, move out, I've been waiting up. Would it kill you to be at home? Yeah, I posted on Reddit asking a question for some theories and one of the questions that came up and it was you know, who do you think's awake? Who is she supposed to be? And someone was like Kayla waiting up to bitch at prior when he gets into bed and I was like incredible, that's incredible. I hope it is Kayla. I hope it is Kayla. Oh, my gosh, that'd be so good, but anyways, all right, I'm, I've rambled on. I thought that. I thought the ending was great in that, like the last 10 minutes felt like oh, again, last 10 minutes plot moves forward. Otis died like a boss dude, like a G. I've seen what I've been seeing for the last several weeks. I too, just respect Otis. Would be like this bullshit I'm getting out of here. Yeah, die like a hero man, mm, hmm.

Speaker 2: 42:43

I don't know how do you feel? Yeah, no, I think that the last couple, last couple minutes had some good stuff. Otherwise, there's a lot of big waste on on the whole show. And I wonder too if there's like, are there writers and like set designers and people who are like too involved, like too complicated in their own little tiny theories of stuff where they're like, oh, in the background of this one scene we're going to put something that's like super, like hard to find but it speaks to this thing from the first episode and like it's just so like overthought out it, like in some of it where you just not even I'm not giving them too much credit like their geniuses, I'm just I'm just saying I know where people can get like two into their own little worlds of the story. And then it just doesn't. It's all an inside joke, or like it's all an inside baseball Sure. Right and then like nobody else knows what's going on, yeah. And so I think some of that's going on. And then, like the spiral has been further devalued, where it's just like all of a sudden, randomly, like the stone shows back up with the spiral and some dudes, just like I was, like here's this dude who told me something that I literally could have come and told you.

Speaker 3: 43:56

It's just one sense, but I brought him here anyways. And he's like yeah, I've seen that it's a weird not to go to hunt.

Speaker 2: 44:03

Yeah, it's like because you'll fall in ice holes. Okay, wow, and you couldn't have just said that. And he says to like you'll fall in the in the night country ice holes.

Speaker 3: 44:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:13

Like so does everybody know about this night country thing? What is the night country? Why?

Speaker 3: 44:18

doesn't Danvers or Navarro know about that?

Speaker 2: 44:20

What's the what's going?

Speaker 3: 44:21

on here. Did you see who came in behind that guy, though? And then laundromat yeah, choppy, two fingers Blair. Stubby McGee, dude, two finger Blair, bro. Yeah, I think it's sad, it's kind of a bummer, but ultimately we kind of get what we expect. When the writing was there on the wall a long time ago and I think it was, I think it's one of those things are like this could have been a great show, but you know that that podcast that we talked about, where Eesa Lopez was like yeah, this was a show. I was writing anyways, and they just wanted to put true detective on it for views. That came out months before this season came out and it was just like we should have known then. But also, dude, I've been seeing Eesa Lopez get like praised. People are on like Twitter and Instagram. They're like, leave it to Eesa Lopez to come in and do a white man's better white man's job better than anyone could. Way to give it to them, like my Latina sister or something like that. And, bro, like all these people are just tearing apart because like, okay, but Italians are white, french people are white, german people are white, spanish people aren't white, right, and like you see, eesa Lopez, I'm like you know the conch, she's the doors. Like I'm like Eesa Lopez looks like the people who took America away. I'm going to be honest.

Speaker 2: 45:41

If you really want to get into history be like you know, if you want to be all over business like the great rapists of South America you know like like whatever, like you know, like whatever.

Speaker 3: 45:51

It's just one of those things too, like when you see it and like I mean that that like logic of itself, I think, is very self-defeating. I'm like is that? Like I don't think a show can be good when you have people who are using it as a justification for what, like them being better than someone? Because it's it's not about writing at all. Nick Pazzolato did a really great years ago Like interview behind the screen where he talked about he's like what you have to do is stop being someone's assistant or like assistant writer, assistant, whatever. What you need to do is to find somewhere where you have the cheapest overhead expense as possible. You need to live there until you're a good writer and in writing needs to be everything. And this idea that like you got to wiggle your way into Hollywood, like you have to be, this is person's assistant, and there's a person's assistant and then you have to, you get to be this person's assistant writer and then yada, yada, yada and then you get your shot. Someone will read you. He's like no, they want to monetize you. They want to take what you have and make money off of it. He's like so if you are bringing them the best thing, you will get it. You will get money. Yep, if you are not bringing them, the best thing, you have almost no shot. And like that's. What he did is like he he pretty much lived destitute for a little while and then he wrote like six pilot episodes and one of those pilots was true detective and when he submitted the script they're like yeah, let's do this one. And he's like all right, cool. So he wrote out the rest of. He like wrote season one and season two within a year.

Speaker 2: 47:26

It just knocked him out and the. Here's the thing too, while all true detective characters throughout the whole universe of it are all flawed individuals and they play on humanity, which is why people love it. There's also been strong males, yeah, and strong and strong females all throughout, for sure, dude, and strong minority individuals all throughout, yep. And so why is it that if you do a season where you just only only elevator only do you know strong female and strong like you know minority roles that now you're celebrated instead of being someone who's like no, I'm just going to take humans and we're going to show like their strengths and weaknesses and write a really good story. Yeah, instead of this, what they've done here, with lots of pandering where it's like was I shocked or surprised that, like that, there was like immediately like a lesbian teenage role in this.

Speaker 3: 48:29

No, I mean, you know, fool me once. Shame on me, no, shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me, and I think for me like when I saw that relationship, I was like okay, that's, that's for the quota. The rest of the show, though, could easily just be. I was like I'm going to suspend my disbelief here of what the last several years have taught me about anything made by a woman that's a minority who wrote and directed it. It has nothing to do with the original author's work, right? Everything is telling me that this is going to be not good, but I'm going to give it an opportunity. I want to give it a shot, I want to give it a chance, and I really feel like I did, and I really was defending the show hardcore until episode four, and then I just felt the wind go out at me. I agree with you, bro. It's like and this is another thing which Reddit is like one of the most far left leaning liberal places in the world, which is why I find it shocking that so many people are speaking out and getting like upvotes with these views. But like people are like don't you think it's a sign of perhaps your agenda backfired, when everyone is wishing they had more time with the closest thing to two male leads in the series and everyone's favorite characters in those series are the like, the background male like characters, even one who's supposed to be like unredeemable bad guy we still want more time with and no one could care less about hearing your leads be the like, be the awful characters that they are, which sucks, because I do think, like I don't know, I want to believe that Navarro's actress Tali, is it Tali? No, I can't remember what her last name was, but her and Danvers, jodie Foster, like I think they could be good actresses. I think I mean it's. No, I know Jodie Foster is a good actress. She's won a lot of stuff right and she's made some really great movies and shows, but it just feels like they weren't. I mean even their dialogue with each other, feels like they're not even in the same room.

Speaker 2: 50:32

Yeah, yeah, it's you don't. I don't care what you are, who you are, whatever the thing is, there can be great as well. Good characters, yeah, and then you can have those.

Speaker 3: 50:44

I would legit watch a true detective season where the lead is a cross-dressing cop, as long as they're written well. Yeah, I could give. That could honestly be phenomenal.

Speaker 2: 50:54

That could be like such a crazy weird season that I'm just like whatever we're like, okay, so you know, william Defoe, and and the Irish, yeah, the night boondock sinks.

Speaker 3: 51:08

You know what I mean. Like such enough. That was like the first time I saw kissing.

Speaker 1: 51:14

No, no, but like that was like the first time, I think.

Speaker 3: 51:17

I think it's the first time in the only time I've ever seen a man cross-address on screen and think that was badass by the end of it. Like even white chicks isn't badass, white chicks is just funny. And willem Defoe's like fake Russian male order prostitute or whatever character at the end of boondock saints. You're like this is funny, just like John Travolta and Harris spray funny, but dude. By the end of that movie. You're like willem Defoe was a badass right there. Oh yeah, that was incredible. And the way he's like whipping the wig around, yeah, like. As he's like like looking over his shoulder these heels I was like that's insane, bro.

Speaker 2: 51:56

How cool this is yeah and yeah. And we like he was a gripping character, yeah, played by a good actor, and he was written well, you know. So, all right, they only get one more chance to not to redeem it but just to wrap it up. Yeah, dude, just to wrap it up. So what's going to happen here? What do you think is the? Do you have any out there theories anymore? You're just going to.

Speaker 3: 52:21

You know, I'm afraid the writing's on the wall and it seems more than likely than anything that so much is not going to make sense and just be like ooh. That's part of the mystery and I don't know how they're going to justify this, but it seems more and more likely to me that Navarro has split personality disorder and she's supposed to represent a. She's like a version. I don't think she's really a deity, right or anything like that Right, but I do believe that the tribal women see her as a manifestation of set now, especially because Senna and her lore ends up marrying a wolf and rejecting any other male suitors that are possible contenders. Kavik. Kavik's full name is Eddie Kavik. Edward means good friend. Kavik is in Ypok for Wolverine, I believe, and he's got all those he's got all those dogs and he's just a big old, friendly, fuzzy dude. Yeah, so all I said I think that in the end it's going to be her that did something. Jody Foster is going on stuff saying like this whole season's about Navarro's journey, and I'm, like my character's, just there to support it. And then the early reviews that it came out said that the misery felt like it had been reasonably telegraphed. So for me I'm just like I don't know. It's that or it's Blair. I think Blair would be better. Blair is way more subtle in vain of like previous true detective seasons, right. However, I don't think there's anything they could do to wrap up the spiritualism hallucinations very well. They don't have any more polar bears they don't know much more about, like Danvers, son, history and the connection with Navarro to that case, and you know whatever One theory I did here was that she is some kind of gas vein that was struck in the mine and that she's awake is an illusion to like some kind of I don't know gas coming out of the mine, and that gas was the original reason that Annie Kay was killed. She got like I don't know, I have no idea. All I'm saying is like that's, there's a lot of theories out there. Everything feels like it's got a shred of evidence.

Speaker 2: 54:59

Everything's got a shot at this point, my personal favorite.

Speaker 3: 55:02

Yeah, she is my theory. She is a woolly mammoth frozen in the tundra ice and, as she's been thought out, she's got a bacterial or virus, whatever. That is on the loose, driving people crazy. And she looks alive because as she thaws she's got like blood that looks like it's trickling into the water stream or whatever. All right, do I think that's likely? No, but I like that one a lot. I read it and I read a white paper on it too of how scientists have been able to resuscitate viruses frozen in tundra, frozen in mammoth wool and wolf organs. That was already like 50,000 years old, all right, so it's just like that's what I mean. I'd let that be a. You know it. Fine, you want to get that wacky Cool, let's go there. Let's get that wacky Yep. What about you? Any closing thoughts?

Speaker 2: 56:01

that you have for next episode. I think that you know like, yeah, it's the, probably the cleaning ladies who play with her finger killed. The killed the scientists in retribution for covering up the pollution for the mine. So you know, because we got that revealed in this last episode, that Solol has been doing the impact reports, environmental impact reports, and they've been, you know, fudging them so the mine can keep operating. And then we've got all these stillborn children and so the it's the native women kind of took it into their own hands and killed the scientists. But I think there's it is going to end also with like there is no supernatural, there is actually no cult, like there really is, like I don't know if we're even going to know who murdered Annie. Yeah like there's no good suspect for it which, like, let's just say this.

Speaker 3: 57:02

let's say, those cleaning ladies killed the scientists. Yeah, that makes them so evil. Like, don't you think it'd be it make more sense to kill the mining people? Like the like scientists is just I bet the scientists were just getting paid to like fudge the reports while still doing science and their job, so why murder them? That's not going to stop the mine, right, like? That's just going to like. Eventually there's going to be no scientists out here to verify the pollution, right? Because they're afraid of getting murdered Right.

Speaker 2: 57:33

So who knows? But and then the title piece. I don't know if there's going to be a payoff to that. That felt like freaking bait. They're just the top titles name.

Speaker 3: 57:41

Yeah, they're just like oh we can also add title again.

Speaker 2: 57:44

That hurt, you know, and so that's it, unless there's a season two, which I don't think is going to happen. There shouldn't be but that would be like to like if they leave us with a cliffhanger, leave us hanging on what's going on to set us up. But I doubt that's the case.

Speaker 3: 58:05

So there's just so much better content, like season one of House of Dragons was phenomenal. I was skeptical at first but like halfway through the season and won me over. And there's just like other stuff on HBO that's just leagues better. And one of those things, man dude, you see this in front of me right now. Pat, this is crow. Now I'm eating it. I'm eating crow, dude. Do you know the expression? I do Okay.

Speaker 2: 58:32

That's going to ask you if you wanted to repent for your. I want to repent talking.

Speaker 3: 58:38

I talked smack about season two because I'd only ever watched episode one and never reeled me in. I thought it was boring compared to season one. And I realized now, after bingeing it with my wife this last weekend, season two was one of the best seasons of TV I've ever watched. Like, oh my gosh, my wife and I, so moved and shocked by the characters in the pacing of season two, didn't feel like there's too many characters Felt like everyone had their story. Felt like it was tight, driven, didn't meander on anything and at the end everything felt fair. Like it there was pain, but at the end of it it felt fair. And I was in watching it, I was just like, oh my gosh, just like his dad said, and it was so, so powerful. And I like it's weird when you see a bad man on TV and you think, if I can be half as strong as he is, yeah, like if I can be at half as determined and like good, which is weird because like you see, like Ray and Paul and Frank, and don't be wrong, antigone's character they call it Annie, but Antigone, played by Rachel McAdams, flawed, redeemed individual for sure, but what I'm talking about is like among the men, the men leads. They're all kind of bad dudes or dudes that are struggling with things. Paul's more of like a man struggling against himself, but no way a bad guy. But each one of them I saw and I was like I just want to be that strong when I need to be. And all of them were bad, dude, like I'm, like flawed people in one way and I think that is that's really good writing. The really good writing is like God. I, like you, never want to see a character and be like God. I hope I never break like them. You want to see a bad character and think like man. I hope I get up. Like, if this bad dude can get up, I hope I have more to fight for my life that I could get up. And Rachel McAdams character just like perfect example of writing a female lead Because I would argue she was a lead just as much as anyone else was Perfect way of writing a lead who's a badass, funny, you can totally get behind. Not annoying, not overbearing, not like talking down on men for being dummies that think with their weeners. Just a great character overall. And bro dude, like the surprise I got, you know, like from some of her responses like felt witty, felt intelligent, felt real, you know so all I said. Season two is phenomenal. Eight episodes they're tight episodes. Holy smokes did like. I predicted almost everything to the T for like the, especially the last 90 minutes, for you know episode eight and episode seven. I was pretty much on the ball with those predictions from like episode three, but it never felt like. I was like yeah, that was bad writing, I knew it from the get go right. I was like they misdirect.

Speaker 2: 1:02:00

I think there's change and you're not sure.

Speaker 3: 1:02:02

Yeah yeah, and it felt like they were telegraphing enough for me to have theories and I felt like I paid attention and I was rewarded for paying attention by the end of it Not that I had predicted everything, so, anyways, all I said I'm really trying not to spoil anything because season two is so good and if you're like me, you may have just heard skip season two of true detective, don't skip it. It's really good. It's really, really, really good. Totally, totally different than season one in regards to, like, character study and the the point it's making.

Speaker 2: 1:02:38

Mm, hmm, Because what a lot of people did was they got done with season one, yeah, and like they just went straight. They were late true detective fans, so that they watched it like after season two had come out. They like watched it and then just went straight to season two and were like this isn't the same thing, Like you know. Yeah, pulled out, yeah. I think, is what happened for a lot.

Speaker 3: 1:02:57

Well, I think it was also one of the like, actual like first anthology series. Mm, hmm. You know what I mean. Like it came out before Black Mirror, before people are used to like anthology series and like not continuing storylines, right, and I think a lot of people really thought season two was going to be more of like connected, like cult and tunnels and stuff. And what it really was was like, yeah, like, no matter how good you are, there's like a lot of evil in the world and it's a hard fight, yeah, and it's like. You know it opens up with that quote, I think, staring to the best, the best stairs back into you. I can't remember if that's a quote that it opens with or if it's just mentioned, but I think that's what you see, like, mm. Hmm, no matter how good you are, when you're fighting against ultimate powerful evil, you will get corrupted in one way or another and it will cost you. And season two just I felt like did that perfectly and my wife and I were both just like how was this the worst? Yeah, like, because this is clearly phenomenal. And now, having seen season two, I think season two might be better than season three and it might go, you know, in order best to like worse one, two, three and then four like way down below way, way, way down below.

Speaker 2: 1:04:20

Oh man. Anyways, we're just going to have to wait till next week and see what the answers are they give us, because we're not waiting for I just don't even know. Satisfied.

Speaker 3: 1:04:32

I don't even know if I can get, I don't even know if this series as a whole pass a one thumbs down for me, like with one episode left. Yeah, it might be able to get to no thumbs, like take it or leave it, yeah, but I don't know if it could like. These next 90 minutes have to be phenomenal.

Speaker 2: 1:04:51

Yeah, yeah, they really need like three hours. Yeah, they're going to really pull something out, so we'll see. We'll see, I guess.

Speaker 3: 1:05:00

Alrighty. Well, hey, ken, thanks for joining us. We hope you got to get a little bit of some blood X ale and get to drink that and enjoy it with us. Go to check out, see if you get anything else that we reviewed from the show from True Brewing. All of it's been pretty good. Other than that, we're all in this together, we'll suffer together and we'll see you next week after we watch the finale of True Detective Season. Until next time,