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Remember the time when Dean popped into our podcast totally unprepared and we all had a good laugh? Well, Mick and Pat are flying solo this time in Brews and Reviews, and boy, do we have some tales to tell. We're sharing our candid thoughts over TRVE Brewing's Tunnel of Trees IPA, and whether the eerie brew can match the chilling vibes of True Detective's latest season. Our podcast room may be lacking Dean's presence and brewery swag, but it's bursting with our takes on storytelling, childhood gullibility, and how the media taps into those memories.
Ever wondered if an IPA could convert a newbie? We put Star Crusher to the test and share our findings while sipping on nostalgia and dissecting the latest not-so-thrilling turns in True Detective. It seems the series has us gripped in a spiral of disappointment, much like "Star Wars: Episode IX" and "Game of Thrones" viewers were with their finales. We're chatting about everything from Hank's personal growth, to the spiral's symbolism, to the hair-raising horror elements that True Detective brings (or doesn't bring) to our screens.
Will the avoidance of gun violence make for an anticlimactic end? We're peeking behind the curtain of TV show disappointments, advocating for a narrative that satisfies rather than simply shocks. So pour a cold one, join the conversation, and let's figure out if there's a light at the end of this narrative tunnel.
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00:52 - Brews and Reviews
18:11 - True Detective Season and IPA Beer
32:53 - True Detective and Missed Opportunities
39:32 - Flaws in a Movie Plot
51:16 - Discussion About TV Show Disappointment
We ride together we die together.
Speaker 2:Bad boys for life, get busy living.
Speaker 1:Fuck that busy dying Gang. First last Lay it on the chain, oh you thought that's a chain. Welcome to Brews and Reviews with Mickey, pat. I'm Mick and I'm Pat. In each week we sit down with you degenerates to pretend we're certified cisterons and cinephiles.
Speaker 2:That is right. So grab a cold one and join us as we review true Brewing's Tunnel of Trees and True Detective Night Country, season 4, part 4.
Speaker 1:If you've been with us before, you know what time it is. Release the Kraken.
Speaker 2:I got rid of Dean. We have perfect synchronicity on the.
Speaker 1:Kraken. No fucking freshman amateur hours this week.
Speaker 2:I hope he's at home watching Night Country and catching up, Since we brought him on a show to review. I'm not sure he had not seen it.
Speaker 1:I thought he had watched the first couple episodes.
Speaker 2:I thought it was funny. I thought it was great. He was like the, you know, because we have people who listen, who've never watched the stuff we reviewed too, so he just got to be the one in the listener in the room with us. I'd like to say the things the listener would say or think to themselves as we were going what a weird guy.
Speaker 1:Honestly, what a homie. The fact that I told him, hey, man, come on and you come for the Brews and Reviews and we'll debrief a shot show afterwards. He's like tight and the whole time he knew he hadn't seen anything.
Speaker 2:Like the whole time.
Speaker 1:He knew he hadn't watched any minute of this show, and he still came to hang out.
Speaker 2:He was like have you seen it? He's like, yeah, season one. And I was like, oh man, I think that was 10 years ago. And I was also like oh man, because I was like, well, it's just not the same thing anymore. But first off, we've been going through this brewery, true brewery co. True with a V, true brewing brewing.
Speaker 1:I was like I think it is true brewery, brewery true brewery, but it's true brewing. I think it's true brewery brewery on some material online, like I don't think they say true brewing cows. You know they might say true brewing, oh no bro, can't say it. True brewing co true brewing, I like it.
Speaker 2:I bet there's like five people.
Speaker 1:Like I say five people because you know, just be a transpiric with like how many listeners we have. I bet, out of the thousands of listeners we have, I bet there's five people who are like laughing at me and then they tried it in their car literally just now and we're like make you idiot. It's truly true.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, once you like, break the glass on something and then you think about it too much, it gets hard, it's harder and harder. But tunnel of trees is an IPA, an India pale ale, just like.
Speaker 1:Starcrusher.
Speaker 2:Just like Starcrusher was also an IPA, this one on the can the cover, the art on here is a tunnel of trees Probably the simplest art we've seen so far, but still good. Once again, matte black can and we've just got green trees.
Speaker 1:It doesn't even really look like a tunnel of trees on the can Right. You know as much as it looks like a tunnel opening up to trees, Because there's literally a thing in up in northern Michigan that's a big attraction called the tunnel of trees. They've pruned it to be like a tunnel Like over a hundred years. You know what I mean. So it's like actually a weird tunnel effect of going through the trees.
Speaker 2:But so not the, not the crazy kind of violent driven art that we've seen in the other ones. But it still has an eerie vibe to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I guess it's kind of fitting for this episode, because this episode was more boring than, like you had, a tunnel of trees.
Speaker 2:And it wasn't violent or scary.
Speaker 1:Actually, I guess there was a little bit of some scares at the end, but anyways, yeah. So true, brewery. What have we not said about these guys? I don't know, they're pretty, they're pretty kush. I hope they hear this podcast and send us just some sweaters. I did nothing. Looks cooler than a, you know, matt Black hoodie. Oh yeah, with some metal iconography, it's true. Also, dude, if they ever had a like, just like a I don't know, like a paperweight thing, like on a desk, like you know how, like voodoo ranger has like the voodoo ranger heads that are on display at stuff, if they ever had anything like that, I'd love to have that just like something to have up some swag of theirs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'd be a great piece to the podcast room.
Speaker 1:But honestly I can't think of anything we haven't already said. So no true brewing, they're great. Their beer is. So far has been knocked out of the park, pat. What's, what's unique about this IPA over the other one, starcrusher? Well, let's see here. Do you actually do? We have a starcrusher, can we do? I'll get it so you can compare the.
Speaker 2:We can have this a hops and malts, because, taste wise, I'm trying to remember it exactly. But on this one, for the malts, we've got the Troubadour truth, let's see which this also has. So sorry, the. This is confusing. All right, true brewing.
Speaker 1:Yes, troubadour truth yes.
Speaker 2:The true. Troubadour truth. Hops or no malts, malts in the tunnel of trees. I'll say it again, has Troubadour truth. But the starcrusher has Troubadour lies. Troubadour the truth.
Speaker 1:Damn.
Speaker 2:I don't know if there's a difference or it's a toy there's missing.
Speaker 1:What is that so we?
Speaker 2:got Troubadour truth and then Troubadour the truth. It's either a typo or it's a very, very similar malt or it's totally different. They just added the in there and then, going on from their hops in the tunnel of trees, is Magnum Citra Centennial and the Chinook, and for the I, not just say that I should say this to that the malts. There is just just Troubadour truth in the tunnel of trees. But malts for the starcrusher has Troubadour the truth. C30, flaked Wheat Simpson, t50 and. Weimar man, melanodin Melanoidin.
Speaker 1:That's a whole hell of a lot more.
Speaker 2:That's a lot more malts going on there and then hops wise. We got four hops for the tree tunnel and three hops for the starcrusher, and none of them are the same.
Speaker 1:So so completely different types of strains of hops and one is definitely got way more malt flavor to it, which is interesting, because I wonder if the malt stuff makes it smoother, because all of us said the starcrusher was a very smooth, crisp IPA. Like just not no bite to it, really not that better, just the most simple, smooth and kind of crispy, hoppy flavor. I will say this while you're looking at them and just having the artwork right next to each other, I could definitely see why, like someone actually might hold on to these cans to just have them all together like color coded, because it was very aesthetically pleasing to see them both next to each other. It was really weird.
Speaker 2:Whoever their artist is. They're the talented, they do some good work. And this one, the taste on this one, I think, reminds me more of what I think I was having with an IPA. You know it's got more of that strong hoppy flavor to it and that's you know. This one only has, you know, just this one malt in there, and now it's got some more hops going on than the starcrusher. So I think it's got more, more bite to it. It's not skunky, it's not dog foodie.
Speaker 1:But it's just more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not that nasty dog food, just more IPA than that and less less than that last minute, little more fruit, I think it's a fruitier smell, like almost, almost more Apple, maybe citrus.
Speaker 1:I agree, all right, you ready for it?
Speaker 2:I'm ready for it. What's it called the push it through your test.
Speaker 1:There you go, all right. So while Pat falls, along with the instructors, take a tablespoon, sip and let it roll over the back of your tongue, around the sides of your tongue, down between your molars and tongue, and then switch it side to side. Then you put your tongue against the roof of your mouth and squeeze the beer forward between your big old chicklet buck teeth.
Speaker 2:I've got a good gap of row hand in there, did it all just.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't have any gap in your teeth, though your teeth are very straight. Yeah, they actually lined up they came together.
Speaker 2:I used to have a big old gap between the two front.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have very straight, not crooked teeth, it's just that, I'm always expecting you to flick one out and just like it be a piece of gum.
Speaker 2:It's definitely chicklitty, for sure. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's up pushing through the flavor there, because it's it's mild, so you know it is really mild. When we do this with other IPAs, usually my tongue goes kind of numb. Usually you taste the dog food and it tastes really just like bitter, stunky bitter on the back of your tongue. Not getting that on this one. I like that, that's good. The. I don't know if I'd say it's a fruity taste, but it's. It's not intrusive on the tape, on the. Push it through your teeth test.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just had to do it again and I know I've said this before, but it's like the good Reince. It tastes like the good accurate Like again, not exactly fruity, but kind of like like fermented, accurate, fruity, and there's it's. It's appealing. I don't know it's so weird because I want to say, true, won't like this, but I just want to be like. It's almost like the same Taste that I kind of associate with, like Just ales that I sometimes are like hmm, that tastes a little too much like vomit.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Mm hmm, it's like, but it's. It's just enough of it that it's like honestly just pleasant and I feel like smooth and crispy. I feel like this is a beer that honestly, would probably taste Twice as good if it was another 10 degrees colder. You know what I mean. Like it tastes like a beer that really, like the full taste profile comes out if it's sub 40 degrees. Hmm, you know, not freezing, but like keep it under 40 degrees, like 33 degrees, cold slushy, no, yeah. No, it's weird, it's, yeah, it's a really it's good, it's very good. I think it's just like it's I can't put my finger on it exactly of like why it has that accurate taste, but it's just enough of it that it's a little closer to my mouth, a little bit to paleo.
Speaker 2:It is closer, I feel that IPA less Indian. Yes, a little less Indian.
Speaker 1:Less of a being on the starboard side of a vessel on its way to India, more of being on the port side. Yeah, um, I agree, trusas rounds will get that. I actually don't think that's true. Have you ever heard that story that that's how they got the name India paleo? Hmm, uh, I don't think it's true, but this is what I heard. What's the legend is that when England was traversing ale to its military outposts in the colonies of India, mm, hmm, the beer all the way to India would be in the sun, like even you know it's in the is. On the ground it's, but like the sun's coming through the portholes on the barrels and shining it, and on the way back there's no beer coming back. So only the beer on, like, the right side of the ship would get this different skunky yeah. Like more brood taste and they call it Indian India paleo, because by the time I got there it was paler than the like porter ales that they, you know, originally were brewed as right now. Someone once told me that's absolute horse cock and I don't know, they might be true, but I heard it and I legit I have never even looked it up, but I've heard it and I was like that makes so much sense. Why else would they name it India paleo? And I'm not even going to look it up, I don't even want to know. Think about. Think about put a dark beer in a cask and the sun shines it all the day and stuff, and some sailors pop it open and take some sips out and it gets off gas. Yeah, it's going to be paler than the ale that was in the shade the whole way. Probably skunkier too, I don't know. I agree. So I agree, we're going to totally, totally. Not a fact, but could be.
Speaker 2:Look at look it up and correct us. We're going to keep it back in the 90s, when you just had to just hear something and think to yourself yeah, I wonder if that's true, I don't know. Did you experience a lot of that in the 90s? Just like not being able to Google stuff as a kid, like you could just wonder.
Speaker 1:That was kind of my joke Is that both you and I were like sub 10 years old in the 90s.
Speaker 2:This is true, not a lot of, not a lot of things going on in the 90s, but still. But we took everyone at their word. Yeah, we were honest kids and yet and I was prime age for, like you know well, bullshit, tommy, tommy. Tommy Collins said that you know his dad could lift a car. Like well, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Good, I was the prime age for anything. Anyone told me was scary. Like someone could point at a tree and be like yeah, there's a ghost in that tree and I'm going to die, that goes is going to come home and kill me. I just was such a scary cat as a kid dude.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Like in some ways I wasn't like I was never afraid of bullies, but like supernatural stuff, I was just terrified. I believed everything anyone told me. When they're like there's a man on the roof, I'd be like he's going to kill us. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. I mean speaking of the supernatural or the lack thereof.
Speaker 1:This awful episode of this show. Wait, hold on. You want to give thumbs to the beer?
Speaker 2:We almost. Oh, that's true. Yeah, I'm doing one thumb up, one thumb up, just like uh Star Crusher. Yeah, Just like the other one. You know it's like this isn't going to the top of the IPA list, of the IPA list at the moment, but it's good and I'd like to drink it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I give it a thumb up to um easily a contender for a first IPA. I'd recommend someone to have you know what I mean To get a taste of the market. Uh again, though, like you said last week, if you don't like IPAs, you're not going to like it. Mm, hmm, it's just enough of an IPA that if it's not your thing and you're not going to like it. But I know a lot of people who like this beer and they're like IPA connoisseurs and this is one of their favorites.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I think it's a good one. Yeah, yep. And maybe I wonder too, though, about IPAs in general, like it might be hard, really hard, to get it for an IPA to ever come here and get a two thumbs, just because of how oversaturated.
Speaker 1:We are here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And because, like, there's other beers will pop open that are unique and it's just like whoa, that's crazy, that's, that's a two thumber, whereas, like, the IPAs are, whatever IPA makes it on the two thumb list, that's a damn good IPA. It's going to have to be really good, yeah, and I'm not going to have to judge it off of being surprised at how good it is. Just that the fact that it is good, yeah, true, so true, brewing true detective, true detective, true detective.
Speaker 1:This is not. Hmm, bro, all the memes I've seen of people just using Hank standing with the teddy bear.
Speaker 2:As hoping his Russian bride would come out.
Speaker 1:And yeah, they're all like me waiting for the true detective. Yeah, like dude, for real, bro, like all right. So let's talk about episode four or part four of the show. Again, it's a six part series this this season, the shortest of them all, and episode three and four almost entirely filler. And dude I'm I was saying it to Billy Jean and I'm going to say it to you it's, it's getting hard to be optimistic about the show. Episode one and two, super optimistic. Episode three we were all like, oh yeah, classic episode three, filler. But they're going to have to really dial it in to keep on pace and keep, you know, things focused. Good thing they probably won't struggle, because if they're containing a 10 episode series into six episodes, then there should be no problem. Bro, this episode, it really came clear that this was a show or a movie that got adopted as a true detective series, as it's true detective season. But yeah, I didn't like it. I wasn't fan and for anyone who's wondering, I'm just going to say, like, if you watch it, you know why. It was boring. We didn't really care about the character development, the sister dying, boohoo, nothing was lost. Also, the most unrealistic shit I've ever seen in a like a true crime show is like a more unrealistic than the, than the Coast Guard finding her in the dark off of the north northern Arctic coast of Alaska in the winter. So I was like good thing she had that tat on her ass saying call my sister if you find me dead at eight, seven, nine. You know whatever. I was like how the hell did she disappear? An hour ago they already found her. Like just shout out to those Coast Guard boys because that's that find of the century.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, so crazy. But what's?
Speaker 1:more unbelievable than that, coming from a law enforcement background, is someone being able to walk in the dark Ground? Is someone being able to walk out of that clinic? In the US, there is not a single clinic that I know of, even even if it's by volunteer like you, you voluntarily, self submit yourself to the clinic. I don't know a single one where you're just allowed to get up and walk out Right, like it's so closely monitored, it's like it's not. That's not how that works, and so and that was like the biggest critique I saw online too of people who like have worked in those clinics or like in the hospital and stuff and they get it. They're like that is ridiculous. There is no. No one would ever use that as an excuse either. Like we can't keep them itself. Yeah, it's self submitted to the clinic is like no, like we keep them here.
Speaker 2:Pretty hardcore, easy, easy fix it's Christmas Eve understaffed. We didn't check the bed, she snuck out, just Sure, you know, like this is. That's the sort of stuff you're on this level of making a show, yeah, just fix it.
Speaker 1:Just it's like, or if you're going to try to be like, come off like you're really familiar with the concepts of mental health, mm. Hmm, just do your fucking research and understand. That's not how it works. That's not how mental health works in the US, you know, regardless of where you're at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there has been, so they haven't built any more mystery. No bodies are gone. There's been no additional mis like in in the previous seasons. We get like it basically gets solved, but then they're wrong. Or like they get closed but there's another person like and they're going to have to do that with a little bit, but at the same time. Um, there is that. Note the gripping mystery and and like on the supernatural front versus like. Are people just losing their minds or they are they. What's going on? They're not explaining any more in any direction. They're just muddying it up. They're not making it any clearer. I'm like Navarro needs to be hospitalized, clearly after this, or she's very in tune with the supernatural realm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, it sucks that the most interesting part of this episode is Hank's heartbreak. Yeah, like Hank is supposed to be the bad guy I guess one of them, not a dude we identify with and seeing him stood up by his male order Russian bride and his son concerned about him. Did you send the money, mm? Hmm, that's that and that is the best part of this episode is the most real, the most like the thing you relate to the most, the thing that was most entertaining of just like I was poor guy. This sucks. Anyone who's like I Don't know. I saw some people in reddit who are like, yeah, it was really hard for me to watch this sister walk off into the snow and kill herself and suicides and you know, I was like anyone who thought that acting was remotely realistic to or that she was a good actor Is. I thought that's. I thought the sister is so bad dude. I'm happy she's done off the show. She was taking up screen time. The only thing that I remotely think was of any value out of that whole Shot was her folding her clothes.
Speaker 2:Yep, and that's one thing I wanted to talk about which was she folded the clothes?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she gets naked out in the middle of nowhere and starts walking off into the Arctic, but before she does that, she folds her clothes up and leaves them behind, which I think backs my theory of it's a very womanly behavior in the opening title sequence of the last Episode.
Speaker 2:It showed a lady drowning like almost in a uniform.
Speaker 1:That's actually so. I have a. I was with your hand up but go ahead.
Speaker 2:But then in this episode the hand was fatter and a little more Looking like the sister, I think in this opening scene.
Speaker 1:I have bad news for you.
Speaker 2:What's that?
Speaker 1:I Genuinely believe they went back and re-edited the intro to every episode. Yes, I Think all of them are different now. Oh, like, if you go watch them now, cuz I thought I thought the intro was different this time too, mm-hmm. And the thing that gave it away was because it said executive producer Nick Pizzolato. Mm-hmm, I was like, oh, he's never been an executive producer. I wonder if that has to do because he deleted a bunch of stuff off of social social media when he was critiquing the season and he said I had no nothing to do with this season. I had no hand in it. They didn't ask me to write anything. He's kind of like, but hurt. But then all of that stuff got deleted off of social media. Hmm, and rather than just having it in the credits saying based on the series true detective executive producer said executive producer now, and I also was like, oh my gosh, those are women. Those are women. Are all the police officers? That's definitely supposed to be Danvers. That's definitely supposed to be Navarro. That is definitely a Native American woman, not a Native American and Inuit woman's hand because of the tattoos on it. So it's not Navarro or Danvers. All that said, my wife, billy Jean, also thought it was different, and then we went back to watch the intro of each episode again Totally different, I mean. Well, I mean all of them. All of them were the same. Now, all of them were the same because I think something happened with Nick and they had to retroactively go back and update all the intros To say he was executive producer, and they just retroactively went back because, even episode one. I thought I Swear the intro to episode one was different in order to not spoil the frozen bodies and stuff. Mm-hmm, if you go back to episode one and watch, the intro Totally spoils the rest of the episode with, like, the frozen bodies where they're saying is, as these episodes air, they're retroactively changing the live streamed like intro, yeah, so I think they, I Think each episode was having a different intro until this, until whatever they did with Nick To make him an executive producer and I think, legally, they went back and changed them all now, and the arts different too. It's all the same throughout every episode now right now.
Speaker 2:Now it's all the same.
Speaker 1:Before it was definitely different where before it was different episode episode.
Speaker 2:Okay, the only. Thing that.
Speaker 1:I noticed that was different still. Mm-hmm was the holding scene at the end of every intro credits.
Speaker 2:It's a like like it's a scene that happens in the end of the episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, so we'll guess next week. Well, I just have to watch and see if, what they might be, they might be redoing all the inch like they could be right as it comes out redoing the. You know the in like, so We'll have to see if they change it up on us again because I also was like I swear I don't remember the peeled orange in the water.
Speaker 1:Hmm, in the intro this week there was the orange peel and a spiral peel in the water. I was like I Feel like I would have noticed that, but maybe I didn't, you know. I mean, it was pretty intense. Billy Jean and I had the same thought and she literally wrote down what each scene was with whoever's name was in the credit order. Oh wow, and we went back and it was like sure enough, like everything was changed to be the same now. So we were in. Both of us were like no, that's not how it was. I swear it was different.
Speaker 2:All right if someone has a device you know that's downloaded the episode and you haven't watched it yet and you haven't updated your phone. Let us know, turn it off. Turn off the never connected.
Speaker 1:To do not let them.
Speaker 2:Do not let them change this on you and send us this, the screen recording of that thing. We need to know when you get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 1:What's crazy is that that is the most like. What sad is that treating mystery? The most intriguing mystery is the 30 seconds of an intro Other over the rest of the episode, because the rest of the episode, if you can't tell it, was just not very entertaining. It was a Christmas episode and it was Christmas Eve and then Christmas and they'll. Everyone was like but it's Christmas Eve, I'm like there's a murder. Okay, guys, takes a little bit of priority over stuff, but whatever, hank got, sit up. It was really sad. You know, he's out there by the plane for this connecting flight from wherever Russian brides hopefully supposed to get off. And there's this glimmer of hope where this beautiful woman steps down on the stairs then she waves at the, the, the bag landing crew guy, yeah, and he helps her load up the stairs and you realize, oh, she's just the stewardess, mm-hmm. And he just goes home so sad. And we see he just has like all these sincerely thought out, considerate decorations and stuff for a woman to come like for the first time over to this home and the rose petals on the camouflage bedspread Dude, I was just like that's a country song bro yeah someone's writing that right now. I'm like battles on the bed for it it's just gonna be like, yeah, absolute country, but uh, anyways, I just felt bad for us.
Speaker 2:Yo cods my tears. Oh my god. It is so sad and I think she took the first flight, didn't take the second flight, like she's in America in. America now and and or either. Either is never a woman, just a hairy dude who is Texan.
Speaker 1:I just swear, I swear it's just a guy from India.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just taking his money, or you know, got into the country and then, you know, dipped out After the first flight. Oh, Poor. Hank though, because also they haven't making Hank More scary or more bad because he had some like weird there's. There were some weird edges to him, some things.
Speaker 1:We don't know, but he hasn't done like anything evil now.
Speaker 2:He's just like. He's just like an a grumpy single dude in a crappy dark town.
Speaker 1:Yeah acting like how he should but you know what he did do he did. He made. He did the healthy thing. He reached out he did. He reached out to his son. I said, son, you know, would it be okay if I came over and hung out with you and my grandson? And that's the healthy thing, because he could have just decided screw it, I'm just gonna drink this bottle empty by myself on Christmas. Mm-hmm. Prior as well, hank's son Peter prior, but we just call him prior, just like his wife. His wife has him saved as prior to her phone and I was out like as like what?
Speaker 2:as in prior husband. Yeah, I call him PP for short. Yeah, but this dude is Definitely the most hard-of-gold person on the show and he's cracking and he is screwed.
Speaker 1:Yeah he's. He's the one that we're all gonna be pissed that he cracks and I thought he was so here.
Speaker 2:I thought we were about to get our shoot out. Yeah, we do when Danvers got drunk and didn't come and made Peter go, I thought that he was gonna get.
Speaker 1:I thought there was a 50-50 chance he was gonna be. Oh, so that's what this episode yeah, it's episode where Peter dies. All right, I'm fine with that. Yeah, the thing this happens, yeah, and then it didn't happen.
Speaker 2:I was like Fuck, not only it's, not only did it not happen, nothing happened nothing happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and when they like, at first I was like, oh, they're just gonna like, let them leave. But then when, like, they all took a step forward with their dogs, I was like, oh my god, we're literally gonna get to see prior eaten, bro, these dogs straight up about to eat him, which not that it matters, maybe, but I don't think anybody's held a gun this whole movie, like any of the detectives.
Speaker 2:Like the detective, sorry, sorry, there's a, there's a. There's been like hunters holding a gun and like, and it's holding a girl.
Speaker 1:Last this episode, last episode they have their guns out, pointed at that abusive husband when they get on the scene.
Speaker 2:This is all in the past, oh like like there's just been no like Urgency of like I'm walking into a really sketchy situation like here's the deal in the movies, cops always have drawn way before they're supposed to prior, prior and Navarro entered into the residents of this cabin with their guns drawn.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I think so.
Speaker 2:I think they were just in their hips.
Speaker 1:I think so because I was like prior, just flagged Navarro.
Speaker 2:Could have been. Anyways, I just want to see a little more like of that, little more gunplay, or yeah, or teasing of the gunplay, yeah something dude with that flashback though, mm-hmm, where Danvers is confronting Navarro and she's like I've seen, you have that, look before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that gives credence to my theory. I think Navarro shot him because Navarro sees the ghost and her face and she pulls the gun up and pulls the trigger and the ghost isn't there and she just Brainsplatter. Is that fucking dude something?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean. Yeah, I agree, I think you are right. And For all that, danvers doesn't believe in other things. She that scene where Navarro comes and shares that her sisters died and the Danvers really gets into her face about like you've you saw something? Mm-hmm, yeah, you saw it and it like some like this does she mean like you were mentally unstable and you really did like you were seeing these things because you're losing your mind? Or is this a part of Danvers? It is like, at the same time, in the same, in the same sentence, she threw the bear out the window to be like nothing, like the dead are gone, and then also turn to Navarro and said like Genuinely, you saw something. So I'm like what does this lady believe?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if it's about belief, though I think it's about comfort. I think she realizes at first she's defensive to Navarro and Navarro's, you know, spooks, but then when she finds out Navarro's grieving morning sister just died, mm-hmm. Then Danvers swaps over to comforting we are sharing excuse me, apologize for yawning Um, but like reassuring and comforting Navarro With, like I just want to say like Reinforcement that like Navarro's not crazy Mm-hmm, that whatever got her sister doesn't mean she's crazy Mm-hmm, you know. But it was kind of weird to I felt was a lot of character that Navarro all of a sudden Just flipped and was like I can feel it, I'm it, I'm next I'm gonna kill myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:She hasn't showed. We haven't seen any sign of self-harm from Navarro yet, mm-hmm. Next thing that I just want to say Turns out someone dug up a podcast that Ysola Lopez was on way back when Night country got announced that I was in production and apparently HBO was shopping around for a new season of true detective and and they read Ysola Lopez's script for night country and they're like, oh, we could, we could do true detective with this. And now I don't recall Ysola Lopez saying anything about if it was a movie or a show originally mini series, but it really does feel like it was supposed to be like a three-part mini series, maybe a three-hour movie, its own thing, yeah. And it's just kind of sucks because, like it just kind of confirms what we all were afraid of. Like, oh oh, this could be true detective. Oh, there's some references to season one, but nothing else seems to be like in the same spirit. It's a little too supernatural. And then it's like, oh, this was a supernatural cop movie, you know, probably horror movie, and it got slapped with true detective for the sake of, like, drawing viewers and which makes it even more so like you should have left it as a, even if you made it true detective, don't tie in the first season, yeah, so strongly. Yeah, without probably any payoff happening. Like they mentioned titles and the fact that, like the fact that we haven't had the name title Dropped every single damn episode but only in the first one or the second one, that just sucks, like that's such a missed opportunity to build that, build on to that really bigger mystical universe of like cult Corporate corporation. You know, colt incorporated dude the night country I mean gosh was. I don't know if I've seen worse written dialogue since and More bs he said it's more been time. Yeah, he more all over the place, morbid right on him that also. That scene where it's like just the background music is just like have sex. Well like he's dancing in the mirror making vampire faces. I was like gosh, this movie sucks. And then I really thought of that with this friggin German dude, otis was like the night country. We're all in the night country. Now I was like, oh my gosh, like please, so would be like I'm the true detective. Yeah, like that's what I want more than anything else. Now, this is like just commit, just commit to like overselling it and overhamming it, because that was. I just thought that was bad. Yeah but what could it be? I think it's probably the mines, but I feel like that's a cop out night country. Why not? Just like? You know what would have been scarier if he was like yeah, that'd be like oh, oh shit, that make your, that would make your hair stand on your back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even if there was no payoff for that either. Yeah, you know you're in the night country, now you know. And he's in the night country now we're. You know you can't escape, whatever it's. So it's like is it yeah? Is it a state of mind? Is it a? Is it a place? Is it a? What's going on?
Speaker 1:I don't know but how did Otis experience all the same like pain, injuries that those men did, self-inflicted finger biting, blown out your drums, the blindness how did he experience all that and live? That's my thing, right, and he's clearly a drug addict, but like I also think that gives credence to the the instant freeze Fridge at the fishery, hmm, like they did something to him but they didn't finish it and he ran and got away. Mm-hmm, I Don't know. You know it's got to be something like that. We're like they fucked up the first time and they're like, well, we won't make that mistake again. And you know, I mean I'm really struggling to see how he could have all the same stuff.
Speaker 2:But and not have any limbs gone, and he's supposed to be. He's supposed to be the guy who's mapped the caves. He was supposed to be the guy who originally mapped the caves, but who also in the, and he's gonna be their crackhead guy.
Speaker 1:Know my way, because if you just put your just like, just like the dwarves of Moria, if you put your hand on the white, right side of the cave, you'll always be able to get out.
Speaker 2:It's like dude, a blind crackhead guiding you through death through frozen time real and ice Glaciers and fishers and stuff and also spirals. Has it been overused yet?
Speaker 1:Yes, it was so cool at the beginning. When they're like oh, yeah, you remember this, and we're all like oh, and now it's like Whatever. Like Another one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, another one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, dude, it's like there's just, there's like not enough identity with it yet To justify its over saturation. Like it was kind of spooky though Don't get me wrong like it did give me, made me unsettled when I saw it in that shack with this shotgun Frozen. You know like it's, like oh, didn't they just seem like two days ago and like that's how cold it gets that quickly here, like it's shotgun, frozen in place. I was, I was like that was pretty, that's pretty Suspicious, suspicious. And that makes me think like he didn't just like take some charcoal and draw the sign. That makes me think someone took him and set the shotgun down, mm-hmm, like gently, to be like yeah, there was no struggle. Yeah, like we got him and oh, yeah, here's our signature, so it's. But then, like you see it, and it's kind of weird, like you see the, the spiral in two different iterations there is the like Almost religious iconography of it and like carved into stone very cleanly, drawn very cleanly. But then there's like and that seems to me like religious, of like I worship this thing, it's sacred and I will let people know this is the sign of my faith. But then there is the manic, the manic depictions of it, of like the people like this is the sign of the devil, yeah, they rubbed their hands until they bled and then rubbed it in a circle, yeah, like that craziness.
Speaker 2:While I was watching the last scene of this, yeah, well, I had the lights on. Was it poopy? No, I had, well, because I had the. I had my air pods in, yeah, and they were noise canceled. And as Navarro turned and there was that ghost yeah, he's turned the lights out. Oh, and then you poopied, I did poopy.
Speaker 1:I was, I was like I was like I said, scream. Dude, you don't have mace. When do you watch it with you? No, she's not.
Speaker 2:She would not be even if you sat down together and she would cuddled. There would be no upside to her watching this with. Really she would not like it. She would. There would be no if you know she would. She's not into it, would be too scared, too much.
Speaker 1:Billy Jean definitely has her limits to of like, it's a certain level of tolerable spook right and I don't know if we've gotten to the limit yet there's been a couple times where I know we've gone through a movie. It's so fun. Ever I Repeatedly this is the process of her like oh my god, why'd you make me watch this? I didn't want to watch it. Why are we watching? Oh my god, tell me what it's over. Tell me what it's over. Tell me like end of the movie. That was so stupid. That wasn't even scary. Every single time rose like she totally mind wipes, but yeah, that seemed scary. At the end, when she jumped, I was still in clear. Was there really a Christmas tree with that weird speaker?
Speaker 2:because Danvers went like it was there. Her face was illuminated by it. Yeah, also like the wet footprints, like there's just some things that's like yeah, and like those can't make wet footprints.
Speaker 1:Billy Jean noticed that there's a footprints, but the whole time Otis had shoes on.
Speaker 2:Right, and so they. So that was something else, someone else, the floating. You know, it should like, maybe her dead sister.
Speaker 1:Oh, definitely her sister, and you know yeah and so it's just like I don't know.
Speaker 2:But Her, do you notice? Her ears were bleeding at the end, just the left one, no, just the right one.
Speaker 1:Just the right ear was bleeding, so what's the? Left. What's up with that? It's gonna be a. It's gonna be a Like a cop out thing. Yeah, they're gonna make oh from your brain injury from getting stomped in. Those dudes, yeah, because those dudes reminded you why Women don't compete. And oh, rocked her, so she did good.
Speaker 2:It was a valiant fight.
Speaker 1:It was a valiant fight, but like she grabbed a freaking hug cap and Cracked a dude across the face with it. Oh yeah, she's lucky they didn't murder her after. Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And I was I wasn't sure like a champ, though I was like her status is gonna be after. It's also like Having facial dermal piercings, yeah, and getting getting punched like that seems like a nightmare.
Speaker 1:Those are falling out, dude, that is totally tearing skin and those are coming loose. It's just a nightmare. That could have been a good squeamish moment to just show like, like blood pushing out of the hole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that would have been good one time I got in a Little motorcycle fender bender, oh yeah, um, because the main car, the main I was on a motorcycle main car wreck happened in front of us and then got pushed into us and hit my motorcycle. But this girl gets out of the car and she's like, holding her, like she's bleeding everywhere. So I grab a town, she puts it over her nose. But she had like a couple big nose she had a couple big nose rings and the blood started coming out of the holes of the nose rings. So, yes, I've seen that and that would have been a great payoff and a great scary. It's Realistic thing have the blood coming out that thing. Yeah we've been wild, I am.
Speaker 1:Losing faith in the show. I am dude. It's like after this past episode, the faith in the show's writing just and it really the nail in the coffin was just her walking out of the mental health clinic and being found within an hour by the Coast Guard. I was like it one. I don't even think naked you'd make it to the coast. I think you'd you'd make it a Hundred yards, maybe you know. Wind River, yeah, wind River, shit right. Like you're not making it far.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in that cold? Yeah, you really aren't. There's no way and I Don't know how they're going to bring it together to be. There's not enough stuff that they've set up for a good payoff in these last Two episodes because they haven't stopped building on the stuff from the first two this community is also full of idiots, because there was that one guy who was like Just so everyone knows, hank's thermostat was not around in the 90s and it was just like okay, they have iPhones.
Speaker 1:What do you smokey, bro? Do you think the shows of the 90s? So, anyways, my last point, other than my theories. My theories haven't really changed much, but my last point is if no one tells prior, since he's doing all the hard work, if no one tells him that he's the true detective, as they die, I'm gonna be pissed Like I want Danvers or Navarro or Hank, just someone to be dying. Be like Peter, you're the true detective of my country. It just it just died. Just, I could be like die with their tongue out all slow. Cross-eyed. I just like that'd be the best, like that'd be the only thing. That's like literally like telling people, like, yeah, you gotta watch the show. It's so good To the skin. Yeah, honestly, I would brought this point five hundred million dollar joke. I would at this point, bro. Um, that's funny. Okay, my theories. I think Covek, when he takes the stone that Navarro found Well, he doesn't take it, she sets it down in his house while he's helping fix her injuries from her getting the snobby out of her Mm-hmm, I think this show wants us to believe. She just forgot to pick it back up. Mm-hmm, I think he's gonna have moved it in, place it somewhere that she's gonna be like that's the stone I left at your house. How did it get here? Because you're part of it, because you're a part and it's gonna be inditing of Covek. And then I Also think that Dan versus daughter is still gonna die, and when she dies, it will be the catalyst that gets us back to like the pacing of a real, true detective show.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I'm just waiting for it. Did I yep Because?
Speaker 1:once she does die, then it's like the big thing has happened, right? Uh-huh, it'll probably be the big shootout and then everyone will get back on top of the horse.
Speaker 2:I Like it, I like it. Covek Second best character in the whole show. He's my opinion, he's Peter, I just I wish you know, maybe. I wish him and you know, and also the smoothest move in history.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Proposing to reset a bone.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, that's, that's smooth, that's totally just shows that Navarro is a hundred percent female.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got her distracted. You just pop that thing and she's like coffee, coffee.
Speaker 1:No, I did, I'm bastard.
Speaker 2:I'd not see that coming. I was like this poor guy's about to get his heart broken. I was like dude, I was gonna.
Speaker 1:Convicts? Was anything told you giving you an inclination that this horse can be Saddled?
Speaker 2:like.
Speaker 1:I think she's pretty wild there, partner. She's a must egg. I don't think you're putting this. I don't think this one's gonna be a homesteader, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:That's too good, so when does it go from?
Speaker 1:here Danvers, his daughter dies. Comics, the bad guy or part of the big bad. All right, otis leads them in the mines, betrays them because he's a method. Yeah, hey, they see whale bones in the mines, mm-hmm, and like, this is where you died, mm-hmm, I Don't know what else which I will say we run out.
Speaker 2:We've watched Annie's phone dying video enough times now. The screaming which um also the how the phones stop recording, blacking out the fake.
Speaker 1:someone cut the power, yeah, and then the phone also went out like an EMP, yeah the EMP, the magical EMP.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to what the explanation is for the magical EMP.
Speaker 1:Someone cut the power out at Solologists like they did in the mines? Really are you sure? Seems like the power didn't get cut out. Seems like someone got Annie Murder her beat the snot out of her and then stop the recording. I don't know the recording this is like the power went out to me right, yeah, but it definitely seems like the power goes out, emp surge, whatever at a salon.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm so I'm just waiting for the explanation on that. We'll see. Yeah, they have two episodes to tie it up.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be going break-neck dude. Yeah, speed of light, it's gonna be hard to fall. It's gonna be using my biggest concern. It's gonna be episode 9 of Star Wars, where's just like Rap it all what the hell is going on. It's going so fast, just jumping, jumping, jumping. So yep.
Speaker 2:Oh man, your thoughts. This episode, yeah, it just was just kind of a lot of nothing. I gave her a thumb down yeah, this episode sucked. I'll go. I'll go with you on the, on the one thumb down, and here's it. What if? Because now you've got my hopes up for it.
Speaker 1:You. You hope someone tells Peter he's the truth.
Speaker 2:I know what if there's just no shootout this hole. Bro, there's not even a bullet fired like. What if they do, because they haven't even shown Navarro, shoot that guy in the flashback. What if, as a part of Um the?
Speaker 1:whole woke nature of this whole, these whole deal. I just wanted to show that gun violence is bad and not necessary. I'm just like die, yeah, so what, what's gonna, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Just saying a gun hasn't even been fired yet. Has it do it? I don't even. He didn't even get a shot off at that caribou, it's true. The bullet hasn't even flown. So I'm just wondering if there's also like Is this artistic play or is this like like Star Wars? Later episodes, just some, you know Agendas.
Speaker 1:hmm, I'm just saying, I don't know, sounds to me like the same mistake that D&D made for Game of Thrones Dan and David, I think we're the name of the show runners, and they went by D&D and they were like, yeah, for season Seven or season eight, whatever the final season was for Game of Thrones, we really wanted to. I Think they said something like you serp expectations. I was like, yeah let down, I was you mean like be the greatest disappointment in all of television. Like hey, like it was something along those lines. You know where they were like, essentially, they were just like we wanted to, you know, like we wanted the audience back. Wow, they totally twisted on that one. That really fooled me. What a crazy twist. And rather than just being playing into what everyone's theory was and I get it you read enough of the internet posts on the theories of how Game of Thrones ends. You find that a couple people Get it 100% right mm-hmm because there's such a big fandom, right, yeah, but that doesn't mean it's bad, right? Just let them be right. Or just like wow, they figured out.
Speaker 2:That's so cool. Or use them, let's deliver. Use them as free riders. Yeah, like, honestly, like, take, take the fanfiction. Yeah, build the best story and just crush it.
Speaker 1:That's what George RR Martin has done. Hmm, he's confessed. He's gone online and read some people's fan theories and be like, wow, they definitely know the end of that character. Yeah, they know it through and through. I'm just gonna do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like. And Other people have good ideas too. Yeah, random people on Reddit that brilliant, but don't you?
Speaker 1:start my expectations just because you don't want it to be Predicted by one person. Right? If it's predicted by one person and it's still good, that's probably still gonna be really good and like I don't know the rest of this We'll see. We'll see how it all pans out. I don't have high hopes. I swear. If there is no shootout, I'm gonna just treat this like the, you know, the Extra Indiana Jones movies, indiana Jones is a trilogy, mm-hmm. There's no four and five. Yeah, true detective is Just two seasons One and three. Yeah, what a three, we'll see, you know, I don't know. At the same time, bro, I also like, as much as I've been tearing it apart, mm-hmm. I've also been playing a lot of quarterbacking with my own writing, mm-hmm, I'm just like how I write stuff like Dungeons and Dragons or whatever, right, and I just been like gosh It'd be. It's so hard to write a detective series, Mm-hmm, because you, you have to know the ending it's easy to ride a pilot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's hard to write. Return to the Jedi.
Speaker 1:I feel like the detective series stuff, especially good ones, good mysteries, where you allow the audience to Telegraph and Learn and solve the mystery before the end Mm-hmm, I feel like those are the hardest things to write like. And how do you, each episode, reveal a little bit more to the audience so that the way they get an idea and they can start formulating theories, but not give too much away, so that way you keep them engaged? Yeah, and it's kind of like have you ever heard of the show? It was a very pop. The mentalists yeah, did you ever watch the mentalists? Mm-hmm, dude, my grandfather and I Do pops and I watched the mentalists religiously. He loved it. I loved that. He loved it. Mm-hmm, I don't know if I really loved the show that much. I love that. He loved it and we would watch it every week. He'd record it on the DVR and we'd watch it every weekend and I just remember being like red John who's red John? Oh, yeah, John who murdered Jane's wife. And then you get to the end of it and you're like, hmm, this is very young. This feels pretty phoned in. This feels like way out of left field. There was some definitely other guys that they thought Were red. They even brought those guys here being like yeah, so I think one of you is red, john. It is like yeah, I could see it, I could. It's definitely one of those two, and it was none of the dudes. You really thought it was just Kind of shoehorned one guy. Mm-hmm and I think he got iced pretty quick after like there wasn't like that's a big problem with a lot of shows Is they reveal who the secret bad guy is, mm-hmm, and they don't let them hang around long enough to keep on doing bad guy stuff. Yep, and that's a bummer.
Speaker 2:It's like Moriarty is a great bad guy. Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes, oh yeah, cuz there's just like a lot of, and there's there's been a lot of different versions of iterations of Sherlock Holmes, but a lot of Moriarty is like he's never the main bad guy in the in, in whatever tiny story it is. But he has some flavor in there, just like the emperor, the sith board, right like there's always some other little or sith going on.
Speaker 1:Right, dude the best part about the prequels is knowing, knowing like Palpatine, like Palpatine is the emperor. Oh yeah, you know, and you, just you like, see it. Episode one if you've seen the prequels, I remember I saw this one like I don't know, whatever, whoever that old guys didn't care and like, yeah, was it until, like I had seen the other prequels before episode three, mm-hmm, wash them all and lead up to episode three coming out. I was like it was crazy, bro. I Think a good one who did it well. Did you ever watch person of interest that?
Speaker 2:show.
Speaker 1:I thought it was good. Good show Jim Caviesal and the guy from lost mm-hmm dude. They reveal the villains. The big bad is that secret like not just dirty cop but like Syndicate criminal organization through all of law enforcement, all the way up to FBI and stuff and their hand they're like code sign. It's tiger, tiger, oh yeah and I just remember, like when they revealed that and you're like, oh, the cops are the bad guys. And then, like you've realized which cops are the bad guys and they let the bad guy, villain cops, be around for a long time, like they're around for season after season, mm-hmm, and when they finally get ice, there's still some like more bad guys. You know, like different that is stuff and brought up in the series. But I was just like they killed them off at a good point where you're like that made sense and and those guys were bad guys and we knew they're bad guys and we got to enjoy watching them be bad guys for a while. You know, I wish more stuff would do that and like, honestly, that's my biggest critique of season one too, mm-hmm, as I wanted to see I Really like that guy we really hate, not just some dude, random, mentally disturbed guy who we barely I just I thought he was Fascinating, bro, like when they finally Reveal Earl and you realize everything he says and his weird accents are all just from VHS's he was forced to watch while, you know, handcuffed to the radiator. Yeah, that is a Psychological fascination of a criminal, right like, and I would just love to watch him do some more stuff and just like, quote more movies, mm-hmm, it was so good Mm-hmm, and I always see that actor and other stuff. Now it was like There'll be no one as scary as he is to me like he would. He just terrified the hell out of me With his thousand yard stare, you know, like he did in the season one, and I just that's. My biggest regret is that we didn't get more time with him before he was Axed. What happened to? How do they kill them? They shoot him in the head.
Speaker 2:I can't remember.
Speaker 1:I can't remember they shoot me the head or they like Straight up like drop a shovel or a hatch in his head. I know it's a pretty close fight Because everyone gets stabbed or shot a little bit.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Kana hates pretty jacked up at it at the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they blows brains out with like a ankle revolver.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's always a great move.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what it's a great man, yeah that's why I need to get an ankle revolver, just so I can Finish off a bad guy like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bad guys, nobody. The only people who get shot with ankle revolvers bad guys are bad guys. Yeah, you know that's, that's my theory.
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