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Ever found yourself sipping a craft beer while pondering the mysteries of a dark, twisted TV drama? That's exactly where we lead you in our latest frosty adventure. Uniting the complex flavors of Trve Brewing's Dunwich with the enigma of True Detective Season 4, we share our sensory tapestry that's as rich and multi-layered as the narratives we explore. From the visual feast of the beer's can to the thematic echoes between the brew and the show's brooding atmosphere, we lay down a path for a conversation that's bound to excite your taste buds and your mind.
Ever pondered the existence of a 'mosh angel'? We bring that same spirit of unexpected warmth and protection into our review of this hearty porter, prompting you to consider the delicate balance between the rough and the smooth in both beer and life. As Pat and I analyze H.P. Lovecraft's contentious legacy, we stir the pot with a 'swish test' that's bound to surprise even the savviest of beer aficionados. Meanwhile, True Detective's dip into the supernatural offers us a chilling backdrop, and we can't help but draw you into the debate on how these elements reshape the crime drama landscape.
Bringing it home, we don't just stop at beer and detective tales; we stir in a taste of "The Terror" anthology series for good measure. The conversation spirals, much like the imagery of True Detective, into the realms of spirituality, culture, and the many faces of evil, making you question what truly lies beneath the surface. With Jodie Foster's Liz Danvers and her partner Navarro leading the charge, we invite you to join us on this trek through icy landscapes and dark hearts, where the personal demons of our protagonists are as intricate as the crimes they're desperate to solve.
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00:52 - Beer Review
10:40 - Porter Beer Taste and Experience
22:26 - True Detective Season 4 Supernatural Discussion
34:39 - Exploring Spiritual Elements in True Detective
50:08 - True Detective Season 4 Discussion
We ride together, we die together. Bad boys for life. Get busy livin' Fuck. Get busy dyin'. Gank first blast, please don't entertain.
Speaker 2:Oh, you don't entertain.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Brews and Reviews with Makin' Pat. I'm Mick.
Speaker 2:And I'm Pat.
Speaker 1:And each week we sit down with you degenerates to pretend we're certified Ciceroans and Cinephiles.
Speaker 2:That is right. So grab a cold one and join us as we review true brewing Dunwich and give our first takes of Season 4 Premiere of True Detective.
Speaker 1:And if you've been with this before, you know what time it is. Release the cracker, Bro. You were early on that.
Speaker 2:Oh little early.
Speaker 1:Fix it up post.
Speaker 2:See how this beer.
Speaker 1:That's like a very kind of almost red-hued porter. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I can smell, it Smells roasted. And this icy icy mug on this icy icy day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, another true brewing tonight Makes sense. You don't have to really think too much to understand why. Yes, it's in alignment with. The only issue is I don't think there's enough true brewing beers To do one for every episode. We have to reach out to them and be like, hey, can you guys send us like 10 beers?
Speaker 2:Yep, they got a limited supply and a limited selection, but we like them so far.
Speaker 1:I have yet to have one that I didn't like. There's been ones that I thought were like the JV team of their lineup, but still batting above what the other schools bring. You know what I mean, right, but, pat, tell us about the can, tell us about the beer.
Speaker 2:This can is like their other cans, matt Black which, as I said before, I'm a sucker for Matt Black, so they're kind of in pipe cans and it's a really simple can with an intricate piece of art on it. We've got true brewing co with this picture of a multi-eyed purple monster, a purple people eater, because it would look, because it doesn't look like there's a guy stuck in the monster up on the top of it. He's been consumed in there. Yeah, and the eyes are shiny, these orange shiny eyes on the monster and the Dunwich. What else does it have? I?
Speaker 1:think it's Dunvich, dunvich. Yeah, like the old.
Speaker 2:German. You know what I mean. Dunvich, I know, but it's in England, so I wonder how they say it.
Speaker 1:There's Germans that went to England too.
Speaker 2:This is true, but they've got on this can. It was brewed in canned in Denver, colorado, 5.4 ABV, and the malt is the troupe of door truth with blue C, 30 mod, 300, moonlight wheat and Simpsons golden make it out.
Speaker 1:Honestly though, like if you told me like I was looking at some kind of like, more like a lesser known kind of artistic. Have you seen that YouTube channel called gunman?
Speaker 2:I don't know if I have.
Speaker 1:It's like a, it's like a bougie guy out in like Utah somewhere and he's got this very deep voice and like he's got like software engineer glasses. He's tall, dude he's. He's honestly seems like a great guy, right, nice guy. But his gun builds are like very dedicated, yeah, like a specific niche and purpose, and they're always topped out with the most like Gucci aesthetic stuff down to like the rail covers Right.
Speaker 2:It's just like.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you really I don't know if those are $40 worth like more than Magpul. But whatever, bro, and this reads that, what is in this mall?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Reads me like he's reading off his AR 300 blackout building. It's Troubadour truth. With a blue C 30 to a month, 300 with moonlight wheat flashlight and you know what I mean oh yeah, it like Simpsons golden naked oats.
Speaker 2:We got the naked oats suppressor on this thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got the Simpsons naked oats suppressor. Like you know what I mean, Like, does that sound like you read it up like a?
Speaker 2:Gucci gun, it sounds. It sounds like they've got Gucci malt in this and also the, the hops of the sas and the Tenang tent Tending. I don't know, it's above my pay grade. Where's going on in here? But the that's it. On the can, we talked about true brewing a couple of weeks ago and we did predator when we did predator and they are that we did. Oh, yeah, yeah, true, skull seeker. Yeah Was for predator. We but you know brewery out of Denver metalheads who just wanted to make beer and have a beer house where they could play. They're screaming angry, rowdy music and so if you go in there you can get some music, city hot chicken, listen to some metal and drink some really good beer. It's cold out today. It's it's supposed to be negative 14 tonight. It hit in the negatives throughout most of the day today.
Speaker 1:It's literally the coldest day of the year so far Yep Like, without a doubt and I think it might be colder than last year.
Speaker 2:I can't think of it.
Speaker 1:I can't think of a day this cold last year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was some pipes freezing. I got some calls about some frozen pipes and things. But pro tip, when it's this cold out, if you need to get a frosty mug, just go throw that mug outside. Yeah, I was afraid it was so cold that I was gonna like crack the glass because I just washed them with hot water. So I pre chilled them in the warehouse and then threw them out there because I was this temperature swings going to break our, break our mugs.
Speaker 1:I was actually wondering that when you brought them in I was like I wonder if the beer is enough of a temperature difference coming out of the fridge. Yeah, that would break this glass, these glasses.
Speaker 2:I like that. Have you had a sip yet?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sorry I'm getting the photo for the untapped review to make sure I don't really like to leave unblary photos. I like getting the head of the beer poured right with the can you know. But anyways I got to say I just had one sip and I'm delighted, like I'm like coming from a dude who's not a big porter guy. This is yummy.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because I think my first sip kind of tasted like nothing because of how much I was expecting it, like how a porter can, like take over, be so strong.
Speaker 1:Bro, it tastes like like All right, just lick the phone.
Speaker 2:Let's get the head of the beer, oh you don't have a head of the beer left.
Speaker 1:I was just like. It tastes like snow, bro. It tastes like fresh snow. To me it does.
Speaker 2:I think it's weird. It's weird, it's a very weird taste. I mean, my first taste tasted like nothing, but then my second taste had that the flavor started coming through, and so I think it honestly tastes like I just took a bite of snow freshly fallen off of like the hood of a car I love it. You know what I mean. Yeah, it's a. This is. I love this because, just like last time with the skull seeker, I was so surprised at the taste of the beer. These, these, okay, these beers are like metalheads.
Speaker 1:All right. So it's like dude, dude's got All right, here we go, here we go guys.
Speaker 2:He's got the gauges and the full you know neck piece and he's just like walking around. He's just like with this attitude. He's got the foggy white contacts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly Evidence.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like freaking, like, like what is this guy's deal? And then, like you know, you got this big like don't at me, vibe. And then you like you sit down with them and you have a conversation and it's just a big softy, it's a big nice boy. He just it's like the Mosh Angel. I have a theory. I've always told you my theory of the Mosh Angel what? Every, every Mosh Pit where somebody now sometimes the Mosh Angel doesn't show up as a tragic day, but for the most part the death toll of the Mosh Pits stays very low because there's this Mosh Angel. And when you're out there, have you ever been in a?
Speaker 1:in a Mosh. I used to be in one weekly bro, in the weekly Mosh. Yeah, I used to be in a Mosh Pit literally every Wednesday night.
Speaker 2:So you're out there Moshing and then it's time for the circle pit. Everybody's running in a circle, you know, grabbing somebody's hair in front of them, just yanking them backwards and just never been in that Mosh.
Speaker 1:I mean just like Mosh Pit, where people are getting their hair right.
Speaker 2:Just like rowdy where, like the Mosh Pits, goes from like this was fun to this is scary. They're starting to get trampled on. You know it's getting getting scary and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, this giant, sweaty, like 285 pound, white T-shirted, just sweating out of his mind guy just comes in there and just scoops you up and just just rescues you out of the Mosh Pit and we called him the Mosh Angel, because there's always a Mosh Angel who's just ready to save you.
Speaker 1:No, I agree that they exist and that they are indicative of the culture of that Like, hey, we want to have fun but we don't actually want anyone like super hurt, no dude. Yeah, that's a fun fact, my mom was a nurse, like volunteered nurse. I have my youth group where we would have a ton of Mosh Pits and we didn't want the youth group to get in trouble because of how many kids are getting hurt and it was good liability stuff. So, like my mom came on Wednesday, nice, to be a volunteer nurse and she pretty, she definitely like fair share of busted lips, bloody noses, check kids for concussions and it was one of those things where, like there was no adults shoving the kids around in the Mosh Pit in a way that would hurt them. The kids would get so intense, you know high schoolers and stuff that it just you know. One one is that one shove that feels a little too intentional, and then the response shove is only Intentional and then it could break out into something. Oh yeah, but we had this dude who was a big metalhead named Teddy Mmm and Teddy's awesome. Teddy worked as a jail deputy and now he's I think he's State patrol in Florida. But Teddy had graduated high school and had this, you know, the long, slick black hair, the gauged ears, the piercings Probably about 285, I imagine. But now I also I just think of him as being larger than life too, because he was just such a big guy and Always just like the sickest metal shirts and artwork Mm-hmm, and he was the mosh angel. He would, he would push you into the mosh pit, but he would also be the one to like, come over and throw his arms out Just and like, just buffer people away while he like yeah, he would. He would also laugh at you, though, like if you fell funny. You could always tell was Teddy laughing at you by how Contagious his laugh was but see, and that's what I think about this beer, is it?
Speaker 2:it's that this, this, this, hmm, on the outside is what you have, this one thing going on, but the inside is the heart of gold, you know on the outside is this image depicting the lyrics of being consumed into a black mass. But interior Delicious, it's warm you want to be here, if you want to be consumed by this like Christmas. Yeah, it's like eating snow.
Speaker 1:Dude, I, we should, I hope we should send this to True just to see if they feel like what they feel like validated, recognized, feel loved, known their metalheads or humans too. Yeah, I mean, by the way, guys, if you do, you ever hear this, so send us like 10 separate beers so we can have them for the review of you know 10 episodes of a show, because that'd be awesome. That'd be way more fun than doing 10 caboot. Just oh, yeah already, but anyways, alright. So Swish test. Yeah, cuz I mean we already went over true brewing last time is there anything else you want?
Speaker 2:That's it. Okay, cool, um, that's it. The only thing would be that it's called Dunwich after the dumb Dunwich horror, the monster from this, the HP Lovecraft Novella hey do this real quick Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Did you know HP Lovecraft kind of got canceled. No, it's not cool to be a Lovecraft. Stand really, look up what he named his cat. Don't read it, all right, like don't say it out loud, just look up HP Lovecraft cat's name. So that's why he got canceled.
Speaker 2:But was he? Was he a cool cat, I'm sure?
Speaker 1:it was. Was he jazzy?
Speaker 2:Well, he was a kid right and he named it, that you know. I mean, it was like like.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's a result of the time, not the person it was 1904 Exactly.
Speaker 2:I'm not in defense of modern usage of these, this, this lingo especially call it naming your pets that.
Speaker 1:But, it is one of those things around like people are like yeah, he was super racist, don't you know what he? Named his cat. I'm like that's not what he named his cat as like an adult man in the 30s or whatever, or the 40s, like that was his kid his childhood cat name. And kids are dumb. Kids just repeat what they hear their parents say like I don't. I don't think you should be canceled for it, but anyways.
Speaker 2:Age of nine. You know if you could be canceled for something you said a hundred years ago at the age of nine. It's a rough world, but it really is careful out there. Watch your back. So the the push it through your teeth.
Speaker 1:Push your teeth, yes, yeah so take a little tablespoon into your mouth. Those listening, join us. Get some done, which. Take a tablespoon, swish it side to side between your molars and roll over the back of your tongue and then push it With your tongue, you know, by putting your tongue to the roof of your mouth and pushing it through your front teeth to get it nice and aerated and foamy and sudsy. Pat, tell me, tell me why I, while I do that, tell me what flavors you're picking up, what notes I.
Speaker 2:Definitely had the roasted, that roasted taste, but um, I'm also was. I was getting kind of like the snow ice cream taste too Like. Now I can't get snow out of my head while that you now that you've brought it up, it's weird, dude it honestly tastes to me like a.
Speaker 1:And this isn't gonna sound good but it tastes really good. Just kind of tastes me like a multi vanilla oatmeal ice cream, like way light on the outs, way more Like multi-flavor right, but it does like have just that ice creaminess to it. And I gotta say that's actually one of the swish tests with that isn't like Pungent, right, because the swish test usually brings out like the strongest flavors which takes over your mouth. Yeah, and the strongest flavors aren't Like, when they're brought out like that, aren't usually the most enjoyable. It's just a way to recognize the flavors that are in the beer. And I gotta say like that just still tastes it really good and there's not any one flavor that I thought overcame the others, but I love it. Dude, I'm gonna have a second one, yeah, cuz that is that If you ever just love fresh, white, dry snow Whining on like the scenery on your mitten, all the air is cool.
Speaker 2:You're like fresh snow. I'll bottle it up, so I have cold, cool, snowy water.
Speaker 1:This is what this beer tastes like, that, and some some malt beer. Yeah, I love it. Dude, this is great, all right, well, I'm ready to give it a review. Dude me to when it comes to porters, are you not ready? But I'm gonna do it. You're not ready? Well, I'm, I'm gonna sit with you some more.
Speaker 2:Well, no, no, it's time to do it, but the and you said, when it comes to porters, the hard thing is that we're like the. It's really good. So I just am torn on what I'm gonna go with it. So I want to hear what you have to say. Okay, well, for those listening kid, I'm giving this two thumbs up. This is the best damn port I've ever had.
Speaker 1:I cannot think of a better tasting porter Now. That said, I think it's on the lighter side of porters you know 5.4%. I definitely think it's a better tasting porter. You know 5.4%, I definitely think it's on the lighter side. But like dude this is, I'll be honest I would drink this over Midnight stallion. Really I like midnight stallion but, dude, I would drink this over it because this is just a little bit cleaner. I think not as heavy. Mm-hmm and dude is such a it's it's. Maybe it's a seasonal thing, you know, maybe it's because it's negative. 14.
Speaker 2:It's really hitting so much snow outside at a drive.
Speaker 1:Four will drive to get to the studio tonight. Mm-hmm and so it's really just in the vibes, but I'm loving it.
Speaker 2:Yep, I, I'm giving it a two as well really is good.
Speaker 1:I convince you that I give you the permission you need.
Speaker 2:Just, I was just right there on the. I was like it's a two, it's a two, but I just don't like I kind of want to be stingy with my tubes, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's okay to be stingy, but you'd also like, when it to comes around, it might not come around again for a long time.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:I mean, can you think of any other kind of like porter Beer that you would recommend someone try first?
Speaker 2:Yeah, breckenridge vanilla porter. Just kidding. No, I don't know. I think this is the one. This, this is the best one I've had.
Speaker 1:There it is. I almost unplugged our music in my mic Just. I almost got up to go home, hmm. Well, hey, ken heard it here from making Pat with brews and reviews, done witch or done bitch, I don't know, I don't, maybe that's not how you say it, but by true brewing co, get yourself a can any way you can. If you write in and send us an email or, you know, leave us a voicemail with your address, I'll send you some beer. I don't think it's a crime to set male beer Like I don't know. I mean I get you can. We can sign up to get beer mailed to us, mm-hmm, and I think as long as people aren't paying us, we're not selling it, that's true. We're just mailing it to them if they want it. So hey, if you want the beer, let us know. We can't mail it internationally. That just makes no sense. So but, if you're in the, you know 48 continental, and you want to done which, I'll try to find some to mail out to you so you could try. That would be, honestly, be the dream, honestly, for brews and reviews is that we just have a supply of our favorite beers that people can get and I don't even care if we don't make a profit doing that, like if it's just, if it just pays for itself. Yeah, we can ship out to people so they can have the beers and listen to the reviews. I like it All right. Well, with that said, we're moving in to the meat potatoes. To the meat potatoes, our first take of true detective, season 4, episode 1. And season four of true detective is called a night country and it is, as all seasons well, at least so far unconnected. It's a separate story and season one, two and three have all been very clear delineations, separate stories occurring at separate times, with maybe some subtle Easter eggs from one season to another, but never the same characters from season to season. However, this season has seen a couple things, which we'll get into, that seem to be like showing much more continuity with season one and, who knows, we might see a recurring character this season, like from season one or something like that, but I definitely wouldn't rule out, especially since in true detective season one, you know the leads were Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, and both of them are still producers for the show today, which is pretty cool, but anyways. So plot summary for season four off of the Internet, we are introduced to a new set of complex characters, investigator Liz Danvers, played by Jodie Foster, who of course just always crushes it in these crime movies or crime shows. You probably remember Jodie Foster for her outstanding performance in Silence of the Lambs. She is joined by recently busted down to street cop Navarro, played by Collie Rice, who is haunted by a brutal unsolved case from her past. Together they delve into a chilling series of murders that seem connected to some personal demons they each have. They must navigate a web of deceit, corruption and supernatural elements in a small eerie town in Alaska where the line between reality and nightmares blurs. Pat, can you do me a favor? Can you just see if Enis Alaska is a real thing?
Speaker 2:I imagine it's not.
Speaker 1:Enis.
Speaker 2:Enis, enis, enis, enis, enis, enis, you got it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it takes place in Enis, alaska, which is just at the beginning of this show, experiencing its last sunset of the year, where it will then have, from what I understand, it's like 60 days of night. Usually it is like depending where you are in Alaska, but I think the longest it goes for is almost like three months and most of Alaska gets anywhere from like 30 days to 60-ish days of nighttime like a consistent night. But Enis, alaska, is a small town. It's got a big mine. It seems to be like the main thing that keeps the town thriving, mind-zoned by some wealthy family that I don't even think we get introduced to in this episode. But the plot resolves around this group of men at an Arctic research station and they're just probably, I imagine, 20, 50 miles outside of Enis the town. And one night something occurs and the men disappear and the only real unsettling evidence left behind, I would say, is a board, a whiteboard written on it we are all dead and a cut-off inopiat woman's tongue and I looked it up, it's not Inuit for this tribe that's mentioned in the show. The proper pronunciation is inopiat or Innu-piat, I believe. But anyways, so that said, it certainly got a lot of elements going for it. I will say, as someone who watched season one, parts of season two and all of season three for True Detective, this seems to be the most supernaturally, I guess, just storyline I've seen in any of the seasons. Immediately from the get-go it is heavily leaning into the supernatural, with what appears to be maybe possession in the beginning opening scenes, possession of wildlife, possession of. I mean, we basically get the Inuit version of Jesus casting out Legion into the pigs and they charge themselves off a cliff when the show opens up and we see a herd of caribou get possessed by something on the wind. And this Inuit hunter sees them run it off of a cliff edge and kill themselves, which I gotta say that CGI was weak. Cgi was weak, yep, you'd think, for like the network where True Detective and Game of Thrones are the reason people watch, they're the reason people subscribe to your stuff. You'd think that network, who can make those badass dragons, would like to vote more to some caribou.
Speaker 2:Especially in an opening scene. You could get away with it in like episode 7, where it's a real brief but like to kick off the show. It was a little like I was kind of pretty for Santa's sleigh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I felt bad. I felt bad. The caribou and elf looked better. The reindeer and elf looked better.
Speaker 2:The other thing as a complain I always make is there was, they make a couple caribou noises, but they also make a lot of noises that actually are red-stagged, like in the show they made a make a red-stag roar and they also, while they're running, had a bunch of elk bugling in the background. So like they just did a classic, like they didn't.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Pat.
Speaker 1:Everything with antlers makes the same sense. All animals with antlers sound like elk.
Speaker 2:I just can't believe, like for the amount of money that they'll spend on technical advisors for, like a action movie. They'll have, like, like you know, 28 special operators on set to like tell you exactly how to hold this gun and this thing, whatever. Like just get some technical advisors around, like someone who's like spent a lot of time in wildlife to be like that's going to be weird, yeah, but I got over it fast because I expected it.
Speaker 1:Sure, well, we see that. And then the next scene is these, this Arctic, very, I would say, high tech, sophisticated looking research center, and there's what appears to be one of the members, maybe the cook, recording himself getting ready to upload another video to the YouTube or social media's speaking as native language while recording food. And there's another couple who are doing laundry and watching a movie, working on the computers, doing some equations, studying data. And then this one comes in and he's shivering and kind of throw to Lee, not chanting but breathing, and he goes still and turns to the one who's making food and says she's awake. Then the lights go out. The next we see none of them are there. And with that it is just a very interesting premise in that it is heavily leaning into supernatural, seems like, rather than perhaps those who believe in the supernatural, because season one is a lot of like. There is a, it seems, culty, seems pagan, like a lot of pagan rituals around pleasing the yellow king, these Louisiana Bayou temple. That seems like older than us being here on this continent. Right, all I said, though it never explicitly became supernatural that season. There was some illusions which we'll get into, kind of connections, I think, between season one and season four here. But all that said, there's also a fucking ghost. Sorry, something. Apologize my profile. I'm trying to get better, doc. I feel like we are getting better. I feel like it's less and less each episode. Forgive me, ken, but there is definitely a ghost who leads a woman over to Lights just turned off in our studio.
Speaker 2:It's so cold I think the heater blew the breaker. Oh, blew the breaker. Yeah, we're still recording, but let me make sure we're not on. This should be on a different breaker. All right, take, take five. I think we're still good. Okay, take five, unless you want what do you think? Unless you want the heat back on? I mean, we might die without.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Take five.
Speaker 1:Hey, flick a bullet. Oh no, bullets are down. God dude, literally would. Just the brief moment that those lights went out, I already feel like five degrees colder which is ironic.
Speaker 2:I also kind of got scared because we were talking about ghosts and the lights went out.
Speaker 1:Back to what we were talking about with the show. Yeah, ghost shows up, starts leading a woman named Rose and seems to be her husband, who is acknowledged to have passed away. And it's not even like a there is no debate. As an audience viewer like, well, maybe it's not a ghost, it's like no, that's a ghost, that's a barefoot ghost, it's a barefoot. Yeah, that's a barefoot ghost with hardly any clothes on dancing in the you know arctic snow. So I don't know, pat, I kind of am curious. You know your first take and all that. We've given a really brief premise of characters and stuff and we can get more into kind of character first takes. I was just curious like your thoughts on like how heavily supernatural it seems to be this season.
Speaker 2:I think that especially when I started watching the first episode of the first season, and kind of in the first episode of each season, the possibility of supernatural has been on the table just a little bit. So like I equate it to Scooby-Doo, it's very Scooby-Doo-ey, or in the beginning you're like the only way to explain this is because of the supernatural things going on. And by the end the smoke and the mirrors and the fog and the mask is lifted and you know on this guy.
Speaker 1:So except for Scooby-Doo Zombie Island, where the zombies are real.
Speaker 2:I was just about to say. I was literally just about to say Scooby-Doo, zombie Island. That scared me as a child because I expected it to not be real. But there was some real stuff. Was that the one with the voodoo dolls too?
Speaker 1:No, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe there was a voodoo doll in Zombie Island, because it's Louisiana, yeah, and all of them have a little thick Louisiana accent, and so I you know what it could be Scooby-Doo, still like, hey, this really feels super naturally. Or it could also be now like we're on Scooby-Doo, you know, on the island, I think we're on the island.
Speaker 1:I think we're on the island, bro, I think season one of True Detective is like Scooby-Doo, because it's like whoa, whoa, what is going on, especially by the end of season one, and you're like, well, they still got that bad guy Right. And yes, they acknowledge there's a lot more bad guys, but they have a pretty good idea of who they are. They've seen them on the tapes.
Speaker 2:And they've seen their human.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they've seen their human. But like, the thing that's always unsettling is like they believe in the Yellow King and we don't really necessarily see evidence, but we see, like, what their beliefs drive them to do. Season two I don't think there's anything supernatural. Correct me if I'm wrong. It seems like a pretty straight murder case, right. And then season three was a missing child case. No supernatural elements, really. That I recall, dude, this is feeling like the ghost of a child whispering. She's awake to the, to the lead, the ghost of a dead of a previous victim whispering. She's awake to this, the co-lead, the supporting lead, right you know. And a one-eyed polar bear, the one-eyed polar bear, which is also indicative of the one-eyed polar bear stuffed animal of the dead child, and so like I mean, there's just like all these things and I know we're talking scattered, right, like we're talking scattered here, we're talking scene to scene. If you watched it, you kind of know what we're referencing. If you haven't watched it, you know I'm trying to be aloof enough to not spoil, like the whole premise of the first episode, right, but there's just a lot that is seems to be indicative of like a, a could, what's the word? Not concise but like maybe a coherent spiritual agenda, and even even with the, the lead Navarro played by Kali Rice. Excuse me, kali Rice. She's asked from not necessarily a friend, but someone who you know is the victim's brother from the murder case from years ago. He asked her do you believe in God? She thinks like she doesn't think on it, but she, like you, can see relives of memory. She says, yeah, I do. And he's like, well, at least you're not alone. And she says no, no, I am, so it's God. And it's like it's very indicative of, I think, matthew McConaughey's character with his like not necessarily Nietzsche Nietzsche's, but his like philosophical curiosities and wonderings, and how he speaks about things, and you know, god and evil in the season one. And she seems to be a native woman who recognizes native culture and the value that like it, holds in her life and the lives of you know, her friends and family around her. But I don't know if it's indicative to native spirituality because there is a, there is a close up of a crucifix, when she said she prays. So when asked her like well, what do you ask of God, she says I don't ask anything, I listen to it when I pray. And by no means am I saying she's a heavily religious character, right Cause like we see her go to our friends with benefits house for a quick, quick uh.
Speaker 2:I don't know, yeah, I don't even.
Speaker 1:It kind of seemed angry, it kind of seemed like she was bad, but anyways, um, and she clearly struggles with alcohol, like a lot of people do up in Alaska during the long winter season. Most people just try to. I've heard this is like the most the purchase of alcohol during the winter months because about dark it is just our double the summer month purchase because of people just literally try to drink themselves into a through the winter.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then it's like a hibernation. Um, but all that said it just so much. There's way more, many more spiritual elements, I feel like, at stake here that are being not just alluded to but being like kind of in the face of the viewer, like, yeah, dead people, ghosts, god possession native spiritual you know, animals being possessed by something to throw themselves off, Like they definitely have a lot of doors open for it, not just one little.
Speaker 2:like what is this weird little pagan ritual? You know it's like this whole big. They've got a lot of different doors open to it.
Speaker 1:And how does that sit with you, Like in regards to like what you expect from true detective and like the crime drama that it is?
Speaker 2:I think that I can accept it. Yeah, I will, if once you open this door, it's kind of like doing time travel in TV, like, okay, you can do that, but now, yeah, do it. Now you can really mess it up. It's like covering a Beatles song oh, you could do that. But you're you're opening yourself up to a lot of criticism here. There's a lot of things you got to get right. So I would say that now they have to either quickly, if it's not, if it's not supernatural very quickly kind of explain away some of the things you know and or or stick, stick to it, play it out and do it justice. Because I think of one show you know it's like a very vanilla show in my mind, but Longmire Never watched it. It's a Wyoming cowboy, western Vaughan order, modern, modern, yet modern crime show. But the they just they do throw in elements of native spirituality and they just leave it at that as like, and they just like accept it as this is. This is a part of life. This is this? These supernatural things can happen through a bit like visions or hearing something or being, you know, doing a ritual, you know, and they did it really well where it wasn't, it didn't like ruin the show. We're like that's just unbelievable, you know so now that they've entered into this space. They just have to navigate it well to not pull us out of the, the main story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I well, and I think like a show like a Yellowstone, where Yellowstone, you know, some of the characters have, uh, they have like straight up visions and spiritual walkabouts, but it's always remained kind of in the background and it doesn't ever feel like super influential or imperative to the plot. It might, you know, there's things that are said or during those events where it's like, oh, that might be something, I wonder what that will turn into and it's hard to tell if it's really been followed through all the way. And I don't think this season's like that. I think this season is very much like no, this is the primary plot device. Primary plot device is a like spiritual guiding hand, guiding the detectives, maybe punishing wrongdoers, you know whatever. It's hard to tell, especially to kind of get into more definitely like spoiler quote, unquote territory. But like the victim from this investigation six years ago that Danvers and Avaro were working on together, the victim was a native woman who was violently stabbed, murder weapon never found. She was anti the mine in the town, so she had plenty of enemies and she was just.
Speaker 2:Her tongue was removed and they never choose an activist who was speaking out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was kind of like you know, physical form of showing, like a silencing, like shutting her up, and the murder weapon, stabbing, was like a star shaped, which is a very unique type of a tool to stab someone with right. And so, all that said, to find a tongue six years later, that kind of matches, that like what her tongue would have been like, because the tongue has imprints on it from a specific habitual use of the tongue which would be to hold netting, fish netting in your mouth while the tying knots, and that leaves in prints on your tongue, of course, over time. And that's how they know it's a native woman's tongue when they find it in the on the crime scene. But not only that, but they see that her jacket had a tear on the left shoulder and coincidentally, they see in a photo of these researchers from this salal station that one of them is wearing the same type of jacket and has a little smiley face patch over where the tear would be. And then there is some, as Navarro's investigating seems to be like some individuals who give her reason to believe that this victim had had some kind of interaction with the researchers at Salal, which kind of makes sense because if she's like anti-mine environmental activists, these researchers are all bio, biological environmental researchers at the station, so they probably met or overlapped right to some degree. And all I said, part of me is wondering, like, are they going to really lean into this? You know, the spirit of this woman, or these native spirits are punishing these men who murdered her and covered her up and also guiding the detectives to find and resolve the evidence, and it's just kind of one of those things I'm like. You're right, it can be done well, I think, and very engaging and very mysterious, could also suck.
Speaker 2:It can unravel if you're not careful Could also be like way too many plot holes, really confusing.
Speaker 1:So, all that said, there's a lot up in the air. I'm excited, I'm invested, like I definitely want to see the next several episodes. You know, give it a chance to make a good case for itself. But what about you, pat? What do you kind of think from the first episode? Like did it, did it hook, you did engage, you Are you, I'm definitely on. The fence.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely hooked, but I'd say like 95% of pilots hook me.
Speaker 1:Oh, I got me that's their job.
Speaker 2:But but, like, 20% of episode twos follow through. Follow through for me, you know so, because it's when there's a lot of mystery involved. It's very easy to build a lot of mystery and suspense. It's very hard to, in the end, unravel it all and in a way that does justice to the story. And so I think that with the supernatural piece I think they're going to have to, some of the stuff's going to have to become not supernatural, like like when the delivery guy shows up and there is like some sort of figure that shoots across. Yeah, no background, you know, I'd say, like that thing, it will not be supernatural, it's going to be a possessed person. That's a person like. That's a person like, and I think that I think whoever's doing this is a person.
Speaker 1:It's just like. Just like the yell, not the yellow king, but the the green or the pink year monster from season one. Green year monster, mm hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it's just a real person who's you know see, seeking revenge for whatever happened. But then I think these native, there's some of these people in the show who are being guided by a spiritual element, you know, and is how, where they, how they found the bodies or the polar bear at the eye, and like where the radio went fuzzy and the polar bear came out, and all that stuff. So I think that they'll do what they need to do is, you know, just establish those lines a little more clearly and unfold what they need to do to not make it hokey and the I'm, I think I'm excited for the rest of the season. I think that has a lot of potential. Jodi Foster is great in it, like she's great in everything, and so it's fun to see her in there, and I think that the rest of the cast is unknown. I haven't seen a person who's been in something They've been in. Well, they've been in some things and one lady. You know, the other, one of the other biggest actors, who the one who found the bodies she was. She's been in Harry Potter movies but she didn't have a huge role. She was Harry Potter's like, I think Harry Potter's like aunt or stepmom or whatever, but so, but nobody else in the shows really is like, oh, I've seen that person you know and I think that shows that do this have a lot of good potential for like kind of the the Star Wars approach, where we don't have any preconceived notions of who these people are and and they're not typecast and they can unfold and build their own stories. Seeing that scene where that lady has half her head blown off and she's still talking in the flashback. Oh, that wasn't a lady that was.
Speaker 1:Guy Was a dude, yeah, oh, whatever, it was the soldier.
Speaker 2:The soldier whose head was half gone and was still talking. I guess that maybe was her encounter with God. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Anyways, it was. I think it is her like saying like whatever that person said to her stuck with her, made her, made her believe in God, you know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, anyways, that was a, that was graphic. I wasn't quite ready for that, but true detective does this. They do these things.
Speaker 1:True detective is pretty brutal. I think like more, more so than most people are used to. Yeah, I do want to say shout out to John Hawks. I know John Hawks is relatively unknown outside of like cinephile circles and stuff, but he plays the like kind of other police chief right. Like seems like there's a lot of tension between him and Jodie Foster's character, but he was in a movie back in 2017. It was the first time I saw him, called Small Town Crime. It's a pretty good indie crime movie and he's been in a lot of good stuff, like a lot of great stuff since. Like he was in Tomahawk, which was like a short film. I know he was in something else here that he was in the Deadwood movie. I think he had a small part in that, I can't remember. Anyways, he's a he's a pretty great actor and I've always thought he was a very like underrated actor who was definitely could do more, and it's cool to see him here being able to like have an opportunity to do more things. But yeah, everyone else I'm not really familiar with. I haven't seen them in anything else or aware of their kind of portfolio, but with that I'm also excited. I mean, it really reminds me of the show that I loved. My wife and I really enjoyed it Again, another show, this was it's only two seasons and I think the third season is being worked on, but COVID and the writer strike and all that has really given it delay after delay. But it was called the the horror. No, the terror, hmm. And season one of the terror followed the story of the HMS terror trying to find the path through the northern ice back to Europe. That's stressful and it has a lot of spiritual in you it. Spirituality that takes place in fact to, like the main antagonists, seems to be driven by a spirit, or maybe just the terror of the ice itself is part of this in you spirit, but also there's just I mean, I don't want to spoil it because it's a really good show and it's one season it's definitely worth watching. It was on AMC. Season two was really good Followed a family of Japanese immigrants in the US who got moved the day after Pearl Harbor to like a internment camp. Yeah, and I mean it's one thing to know, like I'm not here to defend America's action in doing that but also it's not like the concentration camps. We think the same thing Like you watch that show it's supposed to be a very historically accurate show to to the internment camps that we had Japanese civilians go to. I do think it was the wrong action. I do think they didn't treat American citizens they wish they should the way they should be treated. They treated them based on race and assumed allegiance to Japan, rather than giving them the opportunity to have the benefit of the doubt, you know, is it till proven guilty. That said, that shows really enlightening to like oh, it wasn't Nazi Germany concentration camps, they weren't trying to eradicate the Japanese. You know I mean stuff so like that, so right, but it was. Both seasons were really good. Season one was awesome. Seems very similar to kind of the elements here in season four of true detective, but with that a couple of things I want to note was that I saw this recurring spiral imagery through episode one of like when Danver was laying out the pictures to try to put together case details. She, I think, inadvertently lays them out in a spiral. There's a spiral in the foreheads of Some victims we see in the episode. There's a spiral drawn on a wall at one point and then a spiral, a photograph of a spiral tattoo, I believe from one of the victims. All of this follows the theme and the spirals in these images look to be the same spiral of a tattoo from the season one pilot and where, like Matthew McConaughey's character sees the spiral tattoo on the back of the murdered woman with the antlers on her head in season one, as well as at another point in the season, he looks out and watches these birds, these starlings fly and they fly into the spiral and then break away. And it's like that, along with some of the other trivia things here where, like we see, russ Colen, season one said he lived in Alaska. They drink a lone star beer, primarily in one in this episode to like also allude to like that was Russ Coles favorite beer, repeatedly seen drinking. And then I have a quote here, the quote that the episode for season four opens up with, for we do not know what beasts the night dreams when its hours grow too long for even God to be awake. It said to have been written by Hildred Castain, a fictional character in Robert W Chambers 1895 collection of short stories, the king and yellow king and yellow yellow king from season one. However, it's acknowledged that this is actually a made up quote to make a connection between night country and season one. So this quote is a made up quote from a fictional book in order to connect season one and season four together. So, there's a lot of connections, very intentional, just, I think you know, fan service or Easter eggs. I think it's genuinely like they're insinuating like whatever is happening here has direct relation to an overall narrative regarding the king and yellow in the themes from season one.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of where I'm at, you know, with my trivia things I noted.
Speaker 1:And that was my like detective sleuthing right.
Speaker 2:No, I think that's. I think there's definitely something where they can either be just tying together the show, as you know, in a big picture theme, but they've never done which you know what I mean, right, or they could be really like you know, setting it up for more it should be could be pretty cool. I think that that'd be awesome and the did you notice the blood meridian book on the day.
Speaker 1:I did, I did. I said that immediately to Billy Jean. I was like, oh, that's not good. Yeah, I saw like they were reading. But someone was reading blood meridian in their bunk at the research station and I saw that cover. I was like, oh, oh, yeah, who's going to be the judge? You know who's about to become frigging glinting.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it was going down for him when I saw that too. It was not good, I think that's. That's really it for trivia as far as the show goes.
Speaker 1:Now it's been out for a day and yeah, you know yeah, but I guess I was kind of curious, just like other things from this episode, like themes or anything like that, that you felt like.
Speaker 2:I think we're not worthy. I think in the blood meridian vein is like this what True Detective always is doing is it's exploring the world of evil.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And these people uncovering evil whether it be, you know, supernatural, over to you know just disturbed individuals over to you know, an individual act of somebody versus a, an overbearing force. That is like driving these things, and so I think that that's what it's going to be doing Once again just kind of exploring this evil and it kind of it. Always the characters in the in the show, especially the main characters, are Very dynamic and combating some form of evil in themselves or some sort of demon in themselves that also kind of always, either directly or indirectly, ties into the rest of the story, as the characters develop, and so we're going to see I think we're going to see more of that as the season goes on as well yeah, no.
Speaker 1:I agree Well with that. I think I'm going to say give it a watch if you like a true crime stuff and you're not easily turned off from a show by depictions of violence or you know scenes of, I want to say, rape or anything like that. Like I can't remember any time where I saw specifically sexual violence in the show. It was alluded to yeah, it's like alluded like people were kidnapped or raped Right Right, you know in season one.
Speaker 2:They're like you never see what the detective see.
Speaker 1:But you know detectives are seeing a group of people I think torture and rape someone. But again, it's so hard to tell because, you never see the tape itself. You just know what they're watching right from what like their. Their reaction is, you know, unsettled, and so with that, like this show is not for the faint of heart, it's easily not for the people who are easily disturbed or get nightmares from whatever they watch on TV. So but, if you like, true crime, if that's up your alley. If the philosophy and engagement and analysis of evil and evil in the world and attempting to overcome evil, right wrongs follow, that is engaging to you, then we're puzzles. I think it's. I think this whole season is going to be really puzzling, which I think true. Detective season one and three did a really good job of making big puzzles and that's how you feel. Then you should watch it. That's my opinion, yeah. Yeah, I'd say it felt like true detective.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know we'll watch that spiritual like church of true detective.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know yeah definitely Cool.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's a good idea to have a good idea of what the detective is. Cool. Well, with that, I don't know let's. You know, pat, let's take this like a let's see what episode two is. But I wouldn't be opposed to be doing like what we do with Last of Us and trying to get a beer for each episode If it turns out to seem like it's carrying its steam.
Speaker 2:But I don't know how do you feel? Yeah, we'll either. We could either do maybe not all, but you know we could take it. I think we will be revisiting, at least for season recap. We may be doing each episode, but we probably most likely will hit it with a couple. You know we could be likely be doing a couple you know, little halftime. Third quarter, fourth quarter type reviews yeah.
Speaker 1:Cool. Well, hey, thanks for joining us, ken. Hope you enjoyed the show as well. Hope you enjoyed the beer and we look forward to talking with you. Definitely follow us on YouTube and the podcast networks, give us reviews and leave us voicemail on our website. We appreciate all that you guys do as our listeners. We look forward to catching up with you next time.
Speaker 2:Until next time.