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Ever cracked open a cold one and found yourself pondering the philosophical depths of a TV show? Mick and Pat here, your guides through a flavorful journey of hops and high-stakes drama, as we uncork Anderson Valley Brewing Company's Pilsner and serve up a side of candid critique on FX's "The Bear" Season 2. Remember that Christmas beer tasting that spiraled into a debate on festive brews? We're channeling that same energy as we reminisce and dissect the complexities of character arcs, plot choices, and yes—the mythical "beer."
Pull up a chair and join our tasting table, where we unlock apple notes and hoppy profiles. The debate gets bubbly as we speculate on the beer's International Bitterness Units and malt balance, weighing the appropriateness of Pilsners for various occasions. But hold onto your pint glasses, it's not just about the brew. We're slicing deep into "The Bear," from Richie's redemptive journey to the chilling performance by Jamie Lee Curtis, reflecting on the show's emotional gravitas and the crescendo of character evolutions.
Wrap up your session with some hearty film trivia as we draw parallels between ensemble storytelling in heist movies and character-driven narratives. We're not shying away from the tough critique either, as we question the narrative choices of "The Bear" Season 2 and ponder Carmy's fate. There's a rich blend of laughter, insights, and introspection on tap. Cheers to that—and to another round of small-screen analysis with your favorite beer connoisseurs.
00:52 - Reviewing Anderson Valley Brewing Company's Pilsner
15:27 - Analysis of Anderson Valley Pilsner
27:14 - Art and Spirituality in Season Two
37:45 - TV Show Character Development Critique
47:47 - Reflection on TV Show Episodes
57:13 - TV Show Characters and Emotional Impact
01:06:55 - Season Two Critique and Film Trivia
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Speaker 2:Bad boys for life, Get busy living. Fuck that busy dying Gang first blast.
Speaker 1:Please don't entertain.
Speaker 2:Oh, you've got to entertain.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Brews and Reviews with Mick and Pat. I'm Mick.
Speaker 2:And I'm Pat.
Speaker 1:In each week we sit down with you degenerates to pretend we're certified cisterns and cinephiles.
Speaker 2:That is right. So grab a cold one and join us as we review Anderson Valleys, the Pilsner and Season 2 of FX's the Bear have you been with us before, you know what time it is.
Speaker 1:Release the crime.
Speaker 2:Alrighty, we're fancy. These days we don't drink out of the can anymore, we pour it in a glass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's true. First I bought us some kind of nice glasses. Then you went and bought us some French glasses. No, no, this is for me.
Speaker 2:These are from Israel, that's right. Yeah, these are from a Palestinian beer company.
Speaker 1:This beer is like you could tell me this is water. I guess it's a lot darker when you take it and you have a computer screen behind it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, but still it is. It's funny. It's going to be a light beer, you know, kind of wider than some of the stuff we go after, you know.
Speaker 1:Which I got to say dude, I got my father-in-law for his birthday. I forgot that. I sent it down with my brother-in-law. But my brother-in-law came up here and we did like a top 10 brewery store and one of them we went to. I got horse and dragons, midnight Stallion, oh yeah, and I sent it home with him to give to his dad's because I had been wanting to give it to him for a while. We popped it on Christmas, oh nice, and drank it together. It was great. I forgot how good that beer was Like. We popped it on Christmas and it was like noon. I was like I don't know dog, this is a lot to be out, but then I had it and I was like I forgot how good this was. I could drink this all day.
Speaker 2:I did it because it's heavy. It's heavy beer.
Speaker 1:But this fudging guy dude walks into my house. He's like I brought beer. And I look over him and I see he's got a mixed six pack. Three of them are the new Belgium Christmas sale. Oh yeah, I was like get your butt out of my house, dog. I was so mad. I was like I was like, do you even listen to the podcast? And he's like, yeah, no, that's why I brought it, because I know you hate it. That's hilarious. Anyways, sorry, Too many flavors. Just tangent the beers from the Brews and Reviews are really making their rounds, is all I'm saying. Oh yeah, we get out there, but Anderson Valley Brewing Company, which, on the can here and all of their cans, is a bear with antlers on it which audience at home.
Speaker 2:You may have never seen this before, but I'm not sure. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe you have never seen this before. If you see a grizzly bear with antlers, well, what usually has antlers, dear Mm? Hmm, so what do you call a half bear, half deer? A?
Speaker 2:beer. Yes, a beer. Yeah, there it is the beer. Or and if you're seeing that You're might be on the magic mushrooms, I need to not operate machinery for the next couple hours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or kill that, so that we can put it in a museum.
Speaker 2:No, don't kill it. Let it go, yeah, yeah, let it go, appreciate its majesty, I'm like guest on from Beauty and the Beast Right Cry if I saw it.
Speaker 1:Like don't you think you'd have an emotional breakdown?
Speaker 2:I have you saw a bear with antlers like an even set of antlers, don't you think you'd like cry? I would wonder what's going on.
Speaker 1:You know immediately like if you're sober, you know immediately no one will ever believe this.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, like no one will ever believe this, even if you get the video evidence, because it's it's a. It's a wild world with editing these days. True that, but this is a word he can. I don't even know if I'm going to read the whole thing. Maybe I will, but it's called the Pilsner, that's all it's name. It's a Pilsner beer and it's called the Pilsner. So I wonder if they just didn't want to go to the effort of naming it or if they consider this the Pilsner. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think they only have one.
Speaker 2:Pilsner.
Speaker 1:Right. So that might be why they just call it the Pilsner, because they have. Like, like I was telling you, my first beer that I ever bought for myself from like a liquor store, like a six pack or four pack, was actually Anderson Valley's Blood Orange Gosa, which is like a play on a sour beer, and I bought it specifically because of the artwork and they have five or six go's so I think they just call the Pilsner because they literally only have one. Yeah, like they don't have any others Makes sense.
Speaker 2:I don't think they have the audacity to call it the Pilsner of all Pilsners. Sure, sure, but so far it's good. It's a 5%, 5.5% ABV and the Pilsner. This is the Pilsner also known as the mother of all beer flavored beers soft, crisp, flavorful and clean, and while it's extremely drinkable, it's also engaging and complex. It's not easy to make such a delicious and nuanced beer, but we do things like that often. You're welcome. I like the can, I like that they go with the, go with the beer. Bear every on all of them. They look good and this brewery is out of California.
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, yeah, ready to drink people yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's a Anderson Valley Brewing Company was founded the day after Christmas, on December 26th 1987, in the town of Booneville, california. They just had a small 10 barrel warehouse or brew house going inside their original brew pub in the small town and they they just been growing over the last what is that? 30, last 40, almost 40 years. So we're getting close 36, 36 years. There we go. Last 36 years and now you can. You can find it in a lot of places there. They're on stocked on the shelves. You can probably find this at your bigger liquor stores. Um, there was an interesting thing on here that Um wait, hold on Can.
Speaker 1:I just say you literally this is a brewery from California.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And there's no mention of how they started in their basement. I know craft beer?
Speaker 2:There isn't. No, they just so much respect, I know, they're just so many. They had a. There's an old town that was. It was. Let's see here, where did this go? Where did the history of this thing go that I had pulled all up on here?
Speaker 1:Booneville, california.
Speaker 2:Booneville, California. Oh, there we go. It's called too far down. So, um, yeah, they were. It was discovered or should I say rediscovered, because there was some tribes living there in 1851, when Walter Anderson tracked a wounded deer through the wilderness and was separated from his hunting party. And uh, after many hours of trailing the deer, he crested a rocky outcropping just south of what is now Booneville and looked out onto the land. While he never reported the fate of the deer, he did tell his companions about the spectacular valley he found. Damn. So his hunt was a little more successful than just a deer.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine how magical that must have felt at the time? Oh incredible. Like man's living Narnia, like just real life.
Speaker 2:Just over the next hill you don't know what it is and you find this spot, and so people started settling there. If I don't get this deer, I'll starve and then.
Speaker 1:I like crest over the hill. You're like I'll never go hungry again. This hidden valley, it's incredible. That's a I was going to say. A lot of our listeners are praising, praising Anderson Valley right now for not making them take a shot of bird nets in their car on their way home from work. So thanks, guys. We're not talking about how you started in a basement it is. I'm pretty sure everyone dreads when they put on an episode because they always remember if so if they say they started in the basement of two dudes craft brewing, you got to take a shot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah so it's the rule no matter where you're at, you got to take a drink, You're no matter where you're at. But something interesting about this town of Boonesville is a language called Booneville. Booneling has come about bootling, bootling, bootling. I like it, and it has a vocabulary of about 1600 words. Fewer than a hundred individuals are able to fluently speak it. Um, which is real, this is real, this is, and this is in the town of Booneville, that Booneling. And even in a World War one it was used. Kind of like. In World War two, we had the Navajo talkers because of Navajo language super hard language to um to learn and just very unique language and so we used uh guys, uh, we'd have a Navajo guy on each side of a radio over in the Pacific and they'd be relaying messages back and forth. And World War one, they used it to sneak messages um past military sensors and, uh, it gained notoriety at that time. Um, also, in the sixties it kind of it kind of came, came on and then it's been declining over the last 40 years. But here are some, uh, some bootling words for you Applehead, what do you think Applehead means? Oh, that's a car. Yeah, applehead is a girlfriend, obviously, damn A girlfriend. I know what I'm calling Billy J Applehead.
Speaker 1:Um, as my applehead.
Speaker 2:What's a hiltch? A hiltch, a hiltch, a hiltch, uh-huh, a hiltch.
Speaker 1:Most people think that's like a goalie, uh between two hills, but a hiltch is agonizing. It's actually, uh, the bucket that you milk a cow into.
Speaker 2:I love it. Um, it's a large amount of something derived from quote the whole cheese, hiltch whole cheese.
Speaker 1:It's a hiltch of shit is what I say.
Speaker 2:We got the uh um, oh, there's the. It goes on forever. I love these. Um, what's a deep ender? A deep ender. I know what that is.
Speaker 1:I've actually I feel like that's more of like a Midwest thing I've heard. But a deep ender is like, uh, when you're in over your head, like no, I think that's how we would use that as best we could. But that's a real deep ender dude and that's like when your truck goes in the ditch yeah.
Speaker 2:I agree, like you know, like you found out, like you're like hey, I messed up. Like I ended up, like you know, straightening it all black and I lost my girlfriend, lost my job. Yeah, that's a deep ender, for sure, but no, it's what they refer to the residents of the town of Navarro, which is just located due west of Anderson Valley. I love it. Yeah, I love it so much. Um, all right. Uh, here's the last one We'll do then. There's a lot that we get a lot of fun with, but what's a? Um, oh, where did it go on me? We have a horn of Z's, a horn of Z's, a horn of Z's. I think I'm going to use this from now on A horn of Z's, a horn of Z's.
Speaker 1:A horn of Z's is gosh dude.
Speaker 2:I know I'm trying, I'm trying here to like, I'm trying not to just think basically what makes it nuts? Or disease that.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's not a good name, that's just a horn of Z's is, I'm going to say a horn of Z's is a lot of problems. That's like the expression of like I got 99 problems but it ain't one. Yes, yes, very close.
Speaker 2:It is a cup of coffee. Damn Dude, horn of Z's.
Speaker 1:A horn of Z's dude that wait, why does this?
Speaker 2:that. Oh, that's like a uh Tim Hortons.
Speaker 1:Oh, I bet. I don't know, Maybe not, but to me that makes sense Like a Tim Hortons because Tim Hortons is like the Midwest coffee. It's like the Dunkin Donuts of the Midwest Could be, but anyways, this is in this this tiny town in California, bringing you beer and a wild language Dude.
Speaker 2:I'm going to learn it now that I'm going to start looking into like Klingon, but it's cool, that's like. It's like Hillbilly.
Speaker 1:That's like Creole, but from California. Yeah, and you could.
Speaker 2:uh, I'll just give you a couple more. Ball gorms means good food, bucky Walter.
Speaker 1:Wait, say ball gorms like describe Ball gorms, say that steak was ball gorms, ball gorms, ball gorms.
Speaker 2:Ball gorms, Yep, Good food. Bucky Walter is a pay phone and uh, I'm not sure. And uh, yeah, like I said already, a Hornazees, a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1:How much do you want to bet? They just saw a guy using that thing and they're like what is that, bucky? He's like it's a pay phone and then it just became a Bucky Walters Because the thing Bucky uses.
Speaker 2:Bucky Walters yeah, Like the only pay phone in town was at Bucky Walters General Store or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Exactly Like hey get the Bucky Walter yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 1:What are you calling? Where are you calling from? Oh, the Bucky Walters. Yeah, yeah, dude, I love that. That is such a cool thing.
Speaker 2:So that's, uh, that's the history of Boonesville Boontling, and uh brings us to now the Pilsner, the beer.
Speaker 1:The beer which it is a Pilsner for sure Like. The taste, is that crispy little bitter you?
Speaker 2:know what.
Speaker 1:I mean Like right away, not super heady.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the uh. I always kind of think of now they make this, they make cider, like you know, alcohol like cider. But I always I kind of think of apple juice when I think, when I have a Pilsner, you know, just like I think it tastes so closely to uh, it's like dad's apple juice, I think it.
Speaker 1:I think there's white wine I've had that tastes like cider. I mean not cider, it tastes like Pilsners, you know that crispy, Especially like flat champagne.
Speaker 2:I think flat champagne if you take the sweetness out, kind of that bitter pills, like bitter Pilsner, that one spot of the tongue that kind of goes numb, which I'm wondering if that's going to be the main thing, I feel, for the next part of this experiment, which is the uh, the switch test.
Speaker 1:You all. Here's the thing, man.
Speaker 2:That's what is we switched it at some point.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I think you just never started calling it the push it through your teeth test. Oh, all right, which I'd appreciate if you called it that. Yeah, I don't care about that, ken, you know what time it is. We're going to take a tablespoon of amount of the beer in our mouth. You're going to let it roll on over like molasses over the back sides of your tongue To that little you know pit between your tongue and your molars. Then you're going to switch it from side to side and then you can put your tongue to the roof of your mouth and push the beer through the front of your teeth, hopefully get it nice and aerated and sudsy and get that full palate flavor. What you, while I do that, what you taste.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I am. The tip of my tongue is now numb and from that, yeah, that champagney crispy taste I'm feeling I'm going to have to do one more to see, because that's the overbearing flavor on the front there.
Speaker 1:Whoa, I'm going to say this yeah, apple.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oddly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, apple juice, like that's a very like appley note. It's not the overwhelming taste, but like I can definitely taste apple, especially after that last little bit on the tip of my tongue. I don't really know. I'll be honest, pilsner is like one of those good like dark horse beers that I don't know Dick all about. Like I don't know what this like, what makes it a good one or I'm a Cicero but not a Pilsner Cicero. Yes, I I agree.
Speaker 2:Because I think for me at Pilsner is just kind of what I go for when I want a beer that's not like not a Montucky or a Coors, but like a little nicer. But I want to still be in that that light area, you know. So and. I think it's a probably an all year beer, but definitely more so spring, like a spring beer, not a fall beer, late, late spring. I don't think it's a fall beer, it's you know what this does take.
Speaker 1:It's. You know what this does taste like to me? This could be a game day beer. You know like I'm going to be eating food with this nachos, burgers, brats.
Speaker 2:Yep, they pair it on their website with Ahi Pokey crab grilled trout loxa. I don't know what loxa is. I'm I'm a. Lox, loxa, these nuts Lox and a Jager schnitzel, lamb heroes, grilled barbecue chicken and brie cheese, so like if you're a fancy.
Speaker 1:Although it's only game day.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was like, like it's like a fancy game day.
Speaker 1:A fancy game day, yeah.
Speaker 2:You're not having. You're not having the Coors light, you're getting the Pilsner and you're, you're up in the game from you know, velveeta to Brie.
Speaker 1:You know, are the Packers on, but you also live in Silicon Valley. That's what your game day food is.
Speaker 2:Yep, I agree. Thank you, you're on the money.
Speaker 1:Just for note, a Pilsner has usually a load of moderate hoppiness flavor, which I wonder what the IBU these is it's for all the words on the can? I don't see it. It's 30, 30, which is, I mean, that's. That's more than most beers I would say like, especially if you're not an IPA. That's way more than what most beers are If they're not an IPA. But it's also got a moderate amount of malt to it, which I do think the maltiness is probably the like most prevalent flavor, at least it's the one that wingers, I think on the tongue for sure, like it does have a very multi taste and I think this one goes for it. I think this one hits it pretty well. I will say the only thing about this Anderson Valley Pills. I think it's just and this could be many things right, this could be how long did this beer sound on the shelf? You know, when was it officially brewed or whatever? A lot of things could have happened. But I'm going to say this I think they just went too far on this one in the hoppiness. It's just a little too far that if I'm not, if it's not an IPA, then it's a little too hoppy. I don't know how you feel about that. That's how.
Speaker 2:I feel I agree, because I feel like it's like this is a Pilsner brewed by IPA brewers. You know like it didn't quite get the last. You know like, wouldn't you have a metal water bottle?
Speaker 1:if you drink like two. You used to put vodka in it when you were in college.
Speaker 2:It's never coming out, it just smells that way forever. Yeah, or like you left like peppermint tea in there for a long time.
Speaker 1:I know what you're talking about, but I don't do that because of this reason.
Speaker 2:Exactly Because you learned your lesson.
Speaker 1:The lined hydro flask smells like whatever was lasting it forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:This is why it's that if it's not water, it's going to smell stanky.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, and so that's what this is kind of like. It's like a Pilsner that's been brewed and an IPA hydro flask, hydro flask, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I agree, that's actually 100 percent. The taste yeah, a good Pilsner brewed out of that, because I do think it is a good Pilsner. I like it, I. I don't think I could recommend it for everybody, though, because of that happy edge to it. In fact, I would wager that most people who want a lighter, crisper beer would be like people who were like I can't drink more than a sip of an IPA. I wouldn't be able to have more than a sip of this, so I guess, with that, you ready to give it a thumber.
Speaker 2:I'm ready. I'm ready and I am giving it a one thumb. It's close to a zero, just because there's not like a lot of like wowing flavors in it, right. But maybe that's why it's worth a one thumb, because it's not supposed to be this like overbearing thing going on. So I feel like there is. I have had pills that I like better, and probably at part of this is that we're just talking about the hoppiness and so. But still, good beer, I drink it. I'd give it to somebody, yeah.
Speaker 1:I definitely think it is a good beer, as someone who doesn't always like Pilsner's, because sometimes I think Pilsner's come off flat to me and I think I feel that way just because most cheap beer is a Pilsner At least I think so, like I think I think a Budweiser, a Budlight, a Coors, coors Light, coors Platinum, I think most of those always have a more Pilsner taste to them than anything else and that could be just, and they are Pilsner's, they all are. Yeah, budweiser is Budweiser's, yeah. So I think with that, like, the uphill battle is that for any Pilsner from a small craft brewery is making sure it doesn't taste like those. Right, it doesn't make you think it tastes flat just because you've had flat beer, but it also is a Pilsner and tastes like a Pilsner. So all I said no thumbs, no thumbs. I appreciate what they do and I'm super partial to Anderson Brewery just because of the nostalgia that I have with them. I love their go says. I like most of the beer they make. I can't think of one that I didn't like. But when it comes to like, could I recommend this to most, like to everyone.
Speaker 2:I don't think I could.
Speaker 1:And I don't think it would be a good first Pilsner for most people. This is like a Pilsner you get if you know you like IPAs, right, yeah, actually, this is the Pilsner I would get if I knew my buddy was an IPA guy. But I don't like IPAs. This is the middle ground, because I think he'd like it and be delighted by it, and I would be happy to not be drinking IPA. That's a fair session, all right, so make a pass. Show Anderson Valley. The Pilsner is one thumb up, which is hey, if you know our ratings, if you know our skill, that's a good rating.
Speaker 2:It's better than anything.
Speaker 1:Anything that's not a thumb down is a win.
Speaker 2:This is true.
Speaker 1:This is true. Anyways, moving on over to the show of the evening, season two of the beef. Oh no, so I hope you bear that episode one is called beef. So we reviewed season one background. What was it? It was our second bruise.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like November last year when we recorded it, I think, yeah, so the show also took a little while to come out. But Chaboy Pat been sleeping on his binge game, which honestly is not something that I really want to give him a hard time about, because that's like such an unhealthy habit of just sitting and watching a whole show in like a week. But we all do it, or most of us do it now, but anyways, it's taken Pat a little while to get around to it. I had to do a refresher because I watched most of it back in like June when it came out. Um, but season two, uh, and to give kind of a little bit of recap of the show and information for those who might be just coming around but haven't watched season one or two yet, uh, season two of the bear finds Karmian companies scrambling to open the bear, a Chicago and fine dining restaurant pulled straight from Karmie's own dreams. However, karmie, in his lack of foresight, agrees to having the bear open up by an unrealistic deadline in order to receive funding of mobster money from his loan shark family friend, uncle Jimmy. And with everything at stake, can Karmian company get their act together to have the bear open and making money in time. Oh, uncle Jimmy, come reaping in a sewing which, honestly, the plot, that like idea of the plot, I think is really just more of like a very like uh, I don't know I'm trying to think of like the most basic, basic, like van, like just a Ford was like the most basic van model like, uh, like the Ford E one 50, whatever every Fudgen plumber.
Speaker 2:Exactly yeah, the Ford E one 50.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the plot is just the 40 one, 50 to carry the themes, and, uh, I guess visualizations and smaller stories that the show contains within it's like all the cool tools in the van are worth way more than the van itself. And I think season two really seems. The season one seemed to me very dedicated on a on a single premise, was very tight, almost everything took place in the kitchen. Season two really leaves that behind and goes and explores and follows different characters on different kind of arcs. Um, and so I would say, like season two really at its course, about the art and spirituality around food and like to make food, to eat food, to enjoy food. It's artistic, it's spiritual, um, the uniqueness and pride of family. You know this family is crazy, it drives me insane, but it's, it is the only one like it and I love it, it's mine, and then I also have here kind of to describe it, it's the folly of grinding for the next thing and how kind of foolish or insane that is at times, as well as the beauty of a quote, unquote, well oiled machine. Um, that's really what I think viewers can expect from the show in a whole. You know, season one, season two, but I think that's way more prevalent in season two. I think season one felt way more like watching a train derail and all the cars pile up and then everybody got out. Okay, I mean, like you're watching, like this is a disaster, oh my gosh. Oh I can't look away Like the conductor and crew step out and do like a cartwheel. You're like no, okay, everyone's all right.
Speaker 2:All right, you can't take your eyes off season one.
Speaker 1:you know, like the season one is like just like you're right, it is just chaos that you're like why I wish I could look away and you feel stressed and I, the thing is to, in season two. I went in. I think all of us went in like, oh wow, this is going to be like there's more at stake now. Mm, hmm, carmi. So you know, season one, carmi. I don't want to spoil too much of season one, especially if people haven't watched it. Um, but Carmi is opening this restaurant that he's dreamt about. Had almost nightmares really about like dreams and kind of vivid lucid dreams, yeah, visions of like I have to do this because if I don't it will consume me. Um, you know, almost like I think sometimes there's, like some of the dreams that almost make it seem like if he doesn't do it he should be punished. You know what I mean. Like I think he had. He sees, you know, visions of dead family members that seem like they will be very disappointed in him if he doesn't do it. And I think back into season one. There's that dream of the bear literally coming out of the cage, about to maul him, in the middle of the street on the bridge.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's just like I don't know, Like it just really seems like the whole, the whole thing is like this is a drive within him that he has to do, Um, and everyone is encouraging it, Everyone is supporting it and like no one seems to question it. I can't remember, like I said, it's been a while since I watched each individual episode, but in the recaps I can't remember, when I was reviewing the highlights and stuff, Everyone ever questioning his vision, Like I don't remember any of the family or anyone be like I don't know, Carmier, are you sure we should open this restaurant? Everyone seemed to be like no, dude, like this is what. Let's do it and we'll follow you.
Speaker 2:I think he he won them over like season one, like they're loyal to him. Yeah, you know, and they're, and they're in, yeah, they're in on the mission.
Speaker 1:Especially season one. We do get to see right. Isn't everything kind of restored by the end of season one? Like anyone who quit in the middle or whatever during the season. They all, they are all back together.
Speaker 2:They. It was one of those ones that they wrapped up. They could have stopped. Yeah, you know they could have. Just they didn't leave it hanging. It was wrapped up real nice yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay With a future there. Yeah, it was open cards, but I do remember it now being very, yeah, very tied up, um, but anyways. So, uh, that was kind of the expectation that had come in chaos. And immediately I felt like we were rushing through the chaos like episode one of this. I felt it was out of character for Karmie to just blurred out an actual tighter deadline to like what uncle Jimmy was giving him originally. Like uncle Jimmy was like what are the terms? You know when will I get this? You know when will the restaurant be open for me to start making money back? And they're discussing and he's like how about this date? Karmie's sister, uh, what's her name? They call her sweetie. Uh, no, sugar, they call her sugar. But, um, that, that sugar, um, um, no-transcript, she like agrees to it, while Karmie says an earlier date. And I'm just like what? And it was kind of like a. It reminded me of, kind of like I don't know like the other show that I've seen Jeremy Allen in is shameless, and Kind of remind me of that show, because that that shows like just absolute disasters of people, yes, stumbling into like Better circumstances, regardless of how awful they are as people, yeah, and like awful as a family and it just felt like a little out of character and it felt like a that felt like I was like Would Karmie really do that? I feel like Karmie would. I feel like he's calculating and not egotistical.
Speaker 2:I like a gambling addict.
Speaker 1:Hey, he's not like, this isn't a dick measuring contest, but it was one of those things like I just that immediately felt different and then it felt to me like the shows, pacing and episodes after that we really don't get a lot of seeing the bear rebuilt and Like we don't. I don't ever think we get like a real blueprint shot, do we?
Speaker 2:no, I'd say that's one thing where they do kind of like.
Speaker 1:Like I didn't know what the layout was until, like the like closely at last episode and I wonder if it was somewhat intentional.
Speaker 2:In this, like in the first season, everything happens in the kitchen like four or five scenes or parts are like outside of the kitchen.
Speaker 1:And some of it's like you know, the, the dining area, the front room, but most yet never even really customers, like often, like they're not even showing really ever see customers.
Speaker 2:It's just always like this moment of like prepping to serve people in the kitchen, and now there is no kitchen. So now it's like this is I'm almost like we go to other people's kitchen. Yeah, so my, and this is like maybe given the benefit of the doubt in some ways, where it's like it's pushed outward now, like there is no, it is nothing. So now they're like in the same way, they didn't show us, they never showed us. They're like final products happening out, like when the rush came and they serving people or when what they're actually. Now it's like we didn't get to see the, they just did the opposite. Now they pushed us out of that space and we didn't get to be in there. Okay, but and I don't know if some sin, I don't know if that was even like a like, if I was an intentional thought, or if that's just how it happened.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, is this you? Are you in defense of that, of that stepping out of the kitchen? Do you think because I think I am coming at it a little Accusatory of I feel like I missed out on something I really looked forward to? Right, and for reference, did you ever see the McDonald's movie with Let me pull up.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen it, but I know which movie you're talking about it's a with a.
Speaker 1:Please enjoy this momentary break while we look at. It's called the founder, it's got. Michael Keaton plays Ray Kroc, nick Offerman who plays Dick McDonald and John Carroll Lynch who plays Mack McDonald. And literally, origin story of McDonald's. And I think my favorite scene is Michael Keaton watching and essentially like a, like a what's it called the people who lead the orchestra Mm-hmm, you know, talk about conductor, conductor. He's like the conductor. While Nick Offerman and John Carroll Lynch are Chalking out the outline of the McDonald's kitchen. It's just the outline of their one restaurant and how they could rearrange things. And they pulled all of their staff, like out of work. None of them are getting paid for this, all their staff just come to the park, they take their positions and they run around Rehearsing air, rehearsing what they would do, and they're like no, no, that won't work with this too slow. So they rechalk out where things are and it's all contained in this small McDonald's restaurant space and they get it to a point where, like it is crazy fast and it's how they create fast food. You can see the kitchen. Back when McDonald's was this beautiful, delicious, fast, great food from you know, private, like small-town America, you could see how that small-town America feel of, like we are all a team making this artwork and it were a well-oiled machine and to see that was thrilling because it really wasn't merely as Stressful and a trainwreck as the bear right and I felt deprived of that. I felt seriously Like in like just indignation towards like I'm pissed. I didn't get to see them argue over where the stoves are gonna be, where this like, where this station is, where this station is. You know what I mean and I really wanted that.
Speaker 2:I really wanted because they only if they thought they did that, they really only did it briefly. Where they did show like they show them, they showed lines taped out and they are like it's just, it's just two of them working through it, right, yeah, so I said, the only parts we see of us, we do see Karmie and Sydney like working that out and then in the final episode we see it it's done, maybe to fruition, but we don't see that like yeah, we don't see that team building thing, I don't they don't really show the whole, that they don't sort of come together, and so, yeah, I think that, and that's what I wonder. I'm not in defense of either way, I'm just saying was it intentional or was it a miss?
Speaker 1:I think it was intentional. Mm-hmm, I'm pissed about it. That's the way I think I'm upset about it. Also, this season man, this season Brought in love interest for Karmie To distract him.
Speaker 2:That bun me out to dash Odysseus. I also just rocks dude.
Speaker 1:I also felt like for some reason I think that was something my wife and I both agreed on I think Billy Jean and I both felt like it was out of character for Karmie to be so mean In a rational about the relationship, Like he can have moments where he blows up and explodes in the kitchen for sure, right. But he always seemed like you know he's been going to group for like family members of you know loved ones committed suicide and like kind of trauma grief share groups, right. And you just see like he processes a lot and he really only loses his marbles in the kitchen. Yeah and like I just felt like this idea that like he wouldn't be able to balance a relationship with work, especially like with a girl who seems to be such a big fan of him, chasing a dream Like I don't remember anything. Correct me to Pat, I might be wrong here. I can't remember any time where she's like Karmie, you need to make more time for me, right? Like I just remember her being like patient, stoked for him and, yeah, he blows her off a couple times, but I don't ever remember her being like ultimatum stuff.
Speaker 2:She's no, she's not like and like. He takes like one half of a day to like go for a drive with her and they make it like he's totally shirking his like responsibilities of opening the place. Yeah, granted, it is grind time and he set the date for the staff and then he's not there exactly, but it's not. She's not like. She's probably the only. She's one of the only good people in the show in some way like in some ways, I guess she's sweet, innocent, normal. She's holding down a job. Yeah, she has her crap together. You know she's a nurse a frontline hero, yeah, and so the yeah for the excuse me, the love interest piece. I Think I liked it, but I think that it was I like seeing him Fall like I like seeing him fall for right. Yeah, that's the part I liked, and then I think they, they, they tried to do so. I'll say this they tried to do so much in this season. It was a lot with these short-form episodes. Yeah, it's, it's 10 episodes, you know, ranging from about 30 to 50 minutes on these and Much longer than, like, the first season episodes were 20 to. I think the longest one is 40 minutes you know, but they, they get into lots of characters, they get into backstory stuff, they get into, you know, people who aren't even in the show anymore or whatever, never will be in the show and it's so I think they, they, they did pack a lot into Into this. Where you did end up missing, it might have while they, while the supporting characters were developed, our main character Wasn't developed necessarily in the same way.
Speaker 1:He's the same person, he was Be evolved. I really did feel like Karmie got by the last episode. I'd say certainly yeah, you know, I mean like. Though I mean, yeah, the last episode for sure makes it seem like Karmie is kind of like. I Remember like the last episode felt like grossed me a little bit, like the last episode of him having his meltdown or whatever, right, which is no spoiler. He has a couple meltdowns throughout the season of like distress and stuff from the kitchen of both seasons, but like he hasn't meltdown and it then something happens and it feels just kind of like the show went from like yeah, it's a bummer, right, it's unfortunate, to kind of like haha, look at this stupid nerd. Like it felt kind of like the show was bullied a little bit. Like I felt like the writers or director of it and it meant, maybe it is just, you know, the director, photography in the way things are framed, maybe it was some of the acting or the writing. All I said by the end of the last episode I was like I do not like the way the show is treating Karmie Mm-hmm, like I feel like Someone doesn't like his character and they don't like that. The audience likes him. Honestly, it kind of feels the way Cormac McCarthy feels about Gus. You know what I mean? Yeah, you and I are like yeah, gus is awesome. Sorry, not Cormac McCarthy.
Speaker 2:Now I know that's my name McLeary.
Speaker 1:McLeary.
Speaker 2:My heart. Now I have Michael Martin Artist. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, my tree McMurtry McMurtry. Make my tree Larry McMurtry. Yeah, it feels like the way Larry McMurtry feels about Gus, right, mm-hmm, he hates that. Everybody loves Gus, yeah. So therefore he tries to make him a less likable person, mm-hmm, and stuff like that, and I'm just like I Don't know. I just kind of left that bad taste of my mouth, you know, with this. So that, that said, I Do think this season that's like the handoff mm-hmm, and I don't think it was a necessary handoff because, like you said, we get a so much packed in following other characters and other stories and a lot of them are very rich Mm-hmm. But I don't think it was necessary to kind of Hurt my boy, right, like it's okay to show him go through ups and downs, it's okay to show that he's Fallible, that he makes mistakes, but at the end it just felt like it was picking on him and I don't know I don't know if you feel that way too or like it just felt unjustified.
Speaker 2:I do because I'll move into some some, some, some moving to some spoiler share of some specifics too, because you know. So if you want to get out and watch it, you know, watch both seasons, you know it's TV worth watching, but get out now go see it. But so here's the last scene, you know, or the last. I'll jump all the way to the last episode for a second, where he's spent all his time, all of his effort really, on getting this, this restaurant, to go. It's night one and they're launching, soft launch, whatever you know, friends and family launch, and he ends up locked in the freezer.
Speaker 1:Because someone else never fixed it. Yeah, another character never fixed it, it was his job. Oh, was it coming up to fix the handle?
Speaker 2:It was his job to call the fridge guy.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought it was okay.
Speaker 2:You're his job to fix the fridge and he never called the fridge guys and now he's locked in the walk-in freezer.
Speaker 1:But um the Isn't it like too, he forgot to call the guy because he was hanging out with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2:That's part, yeah, party I he was. He was, yeah, doing the doing the deed. You know he's thank you loving and he wasn't on his game. So and there's other beautiful parts about this last episode, but in this specific instance, he is In consequential, he's unneeded for success and he's not there to reap the benefits and the rewards of his efforts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so that's like, that's like the big thing is like I remember now, yeah, the whole show. Like the, he gets locked in the freezer, has his moment of panic and Richie and Sidney are like If he dies, he dies.
Speaker 2:Yeah carry on.
Speaker 1:Like this is like though it runs without him flawlessly, which, which is like, why sacrifice his love interest over this if they didn't even need him?
Speaker 2:to be here or which it's playing. One sense that means he, he's great. Yeah, he's enabled right. He's enabled the opportunities for them to go become great, but in the other sense it was like this thing of like robbing him of his and so, because that that whole last episode it starts off showing his first, all starts off showing him like you know, yeah, with his girlfriend, but then it starts showing him like Cracking down in the alley, like shake in, losing his mind, and they don't really Put the pressure on him about why he's losing it. Mm-hmm, in this case they did miss on Kami's development as well as like they didn't really give good clear reasons why he was totally cracking under pressure and fallen out. And they really have never here's and then they've never said why really, why he? He stopped working at the number one restaurant in the world, like they just know that he stopped, like yeah, we're never, you know, we're never given the scene of him, the clear thing of him leaving. Is it because his brother died? Is it because he couldn't handle the pressure? Did he get fired? Did he lose his mind? You know so, and and they also, while they never gave us that, they've never alluded to it, as if that's a bigger part Of the story in season two, mm-hmm. So I said they're missing on him For sure, but I think there's some other characters too that you know. I think too, in particular, that we could probably get into is Marcus and Richie episode four, honeydew, follows Marcus and Denmark learning desserts from Our boy with the eyebrows and you said this was one of your. Your favorite episodes was Marcus and Denmark was Denmark.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, learning to hone his craft and his passion.
Speaker 1:And I think a lot of that was I don't know it's hard for me to see, not with rose-colored lenses because I think a lot of it was nostalgia, because you know, I also got to go to like Norway for a month, spent a little time in Amsterdam in Germany, while I was out there, so like there just felt like a weird, like whoa that looks so much like those scenes of the buildings and like the rivers and bridges and the boats and like staying. I was staying, not in hotels, you know, I was staying in like family homes and church homes and hostels, right, and so it just felt very familial and it felt like, you know, I was like Marcus, I was a single man, just living life, you know, in college, right, and like learning stuff about the world and getting up crazy early, going to bed late, and I just remember it was. It just felt a lot of like that and when I saw that on Context I was like I don't know, it just felt so familial so it could have been a bad episode, I don't know, but I watched it. I was like, oh man, this is great.
Speaker 2:The nostalgia is so strong in this for me, I think the the, the art, the cinema art, and it was Really well done and really pleasing. And then the other part of it was the, the discipline to just this, like you know, I mean honestly, guys, this dessert is like going to be $85. It's going to be one and a half bites and it's going to taste like sugar.
Speaker 1:You think that's going to be $85. I'm betting that's a three digit dessert.
Speaker 2:But you know, whatever, whatever, it's ridiculous, you know, and it's like it probably doesn't taste better than a Twix bar. To to the, to the uncouth.
Speaker 1:Right, someone, someone out there is listening to this.
Speaker 2:We have a homey chef.
Speaker 1:He's listening to this right now, just like I. I'm hurt.
Speaker 2:I will show them the present. The presentation of the dish doesn't make it taste like a gummy bear, you know so anyways, but that being said, you know it's just like. You know, whatever the scene is where he's like, he's nervous, he's not really wanting easy, kind of just getting started, but then his mentor is helping teach him through constructive criticism, telling him when it's wrong, telling him when he's doing it right, and, and you know, even like the, even the way you drizzle the dots on the plate matter Right, and so the I think that watching him like he's like a blade and he's like in the blade is already gone through all this, all the steps, except for like the strop, like the last thing on the blade that just refines the edges to like that perfect point. And that's what this was, I think you know. Like was this like turning him into that, taking all his passions and his knowledge and then refining it to that, to that perfect spot. And so it was. You know it was. It's funny because Marcus, even in the first season, was one of the one of the people who got to have his own little side story in the like, even like in the kitchen, he is the side story.
Speaker 1:I will say over in his own little station yeah. And.
Speaker 2:I really wanted to smack him. Oh yeah, in season one.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to hit him like, not because, like not because he's a bad dude, but just because he felt he seemed so far up his own ass that he was literally dragging the restaurant behind.
Speaker 2:Just make that, just yeah, yeah, exactly Like you're.
Speaker 1:You're putting your little details and then once above the goal here, yeah, which, if I can say anything to you, I think, like this season, this season, this season, season two made me rage more because, before I get to it, let's let's talk about the other one, let's talk about the Richie episode, because the Richie episode is definitely the most like, I don't know, gives me reservoir dog vibes, like it's just so powerful and like the most iconic line of the season I think comes from that one is where Richie puts on a tailored suit, a fitted tailored suit, and as he's looking at his shoulders and like snugging up, it's like it feels like armor.
Speaker 2:And the other guy looks like.
Speaker 1:That's the point, Richie.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's because, like, he is the front line, not only does he have to go and give the chefs the head chefs commands to the rest of the chef in the restaurant and hold that restaurant down, he has to be the buffer between what the customers need and what is falling behind in managing that, as well as being the face of the customer, is dealing with all the customer shit and being aware of, like what will make this a unique customer experience. And like that idea was like bro Richie, just like, just became a paladin, like he, just like he, just like he had his moment where, like, the power unlocked and you could see it in the actor's eyes, which is a sorry I forgot to mention this earlier Ebon Moss Bach Rock I think it's like a more Greek name or something is who plays Richie, and EO Eddabiri is Sydney, and we get it back to episode four real quick Lionel.
Speaker 2:Bryce yeah, lionel.
Speaker 1:Boyce. He plays Marcus, which, who are definitely the ones that we get the most time with this season.
Speaker 2:And so Richie's life up to this point, from what we know. We know that what we know of Richie he's loyal but he's an orphan, you know, in the sense of he's family. He's family list, but he's kind of latched on his semi adopted into this family. I can't remember if he's really a cousin, or if he's not, okay, he's not, but they call each other cousins. He's kind of he was best friends with Mikey and so, um, you know he's loyal, um, and that he's passionate and other than that he's just ruining his life. He's, he's, he's a deadbeat, he's a deadbeat, he's, you know, like drinks too much, sleeps in, misses his kids, stuff Exactly, and can't hold it down and it says inappropriate things, says stuff at the wrong time, shows up, never his fault, and he never takes a, he's never, uh, takes accountability for his actions and, um, just kind of rode Mikey's coat tails, you know, as his buddy and so, but at the same time he's he is this like this bad guy you love, in the sense, like in the first season, he's selling cocaine. But why does he sell cocaine? To keep the restaurant going. He don't do it, you know. Like he's, like you know. So this kind of like, you know this, like he's loyal to the family, kind of this old, the old family, mobster, vibe, stuff, you know he's definitely.
Speaker 1:I think that hurt for me. The episode I want to talk about the most, you know, is him looking for an opportunity with Uncle Jimmy and Uncle Jimmy shirk in him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's like it's. I mean, yeah, he, he is old family, old school family, a little bit of the mobster type, but the issue is, is that he's way more? Uh, he has what it takes, he just was never let in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like, and it hurts to see because you can see he got stonewalled pretty hard. Yep, and he, uh, he's, uh, he's just, he's on that, he's just right outside the circle. You know, and so um. And yeah, he wants more for his life, but it just doesn't go like he either he messes it up or he gets dealt bad hand. You know, and so um. But in this episode you know the first it shows him waking up in his house. There's crap everywhere, it's disorganized. He shows up to um, to this, uh, michelin star restaurant, and his first job is to clean and organize forks that's the name of the episode is forks. And he's like, he shows up saying you know, I'm above this. I've run a restaurant before. I don't need to clean a fork, right, um. But he gets Mr Miyagi'd right, you know, yeah, he's, he's just all right, you will do a little stereotypical that they had an Asian guy, mr Miyagi. Hmm, this is true, but anyways, he was a clean looking guy, clean looking dude.
Speaker 1:And uh, so my favorite part of the episode the head chef tells the dude training Richie, who's fault is that? My chef Fuck you Like the funniest thing in the world.
Speaker 2:To me was that, that moment, and that's even even in that moment too, it was hilarious and it was an example to Richie, because Richie in that moment. Richie. Look at him at the beef. Back in the beef days he would have blown up, thrown a bowl against the wall, ran outside, smoked a cigarette, right. And so, um, it's just, I call him Richie 2.0 because he, he gets, he gets his crap together. And when you really see that he's changing, I think his first win he wakes up to go to the job and he's been cleaning forks for days and on his way out the door he cleans up his kitchen island and reorganizes it really quick, kind of like he doesn't even know he's doing it. He's just kind of like, oh, get this in order. And then goes out the door and that's the day that they move him to the next level. And then he starts exhaling, right, and so it's just like the wax on, wax off, oh, it's always comes into practice, yeah, and he just paintbrush and from there he's like into his hilarious to where, like he keeps cussing and they're like we don't use those words here and he just like he has to start watching his mouth and eventually he's like correcting other people's mouth and he said the fouls mouth and the whole show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said the most profane language. And so I think I just I love it because I like watching this block of clay get molded into what it's meant to be, you know, and so Well, because you also, it's like the excitement I think of like you see how he's developing and, even though we don't really get to see, like we don't see him, you know, impress his ex-wife to let him get more time with his daughter. We don't really see that, but it's like the thing of like you see his conduct and character growing in this.
Speaker 2:And when he comes back he humbles himself, owns his crap to Natalie and apologizes for who he's been and stuff and so, yeah, it's really powerful scene too.
Speaker 1:Which, even though I don't have, I have no like siblings, right, no blood siblings. I remember my sister got whoops, wow, billy Jean is not going to like that. I remember Billy Jean got emotional to like Richie owning up to his sister and I thought that was. I thought that was cool because I felt like it was an emotional thing too. You know for sure.
Speaker 2:And one side note I think of too is because at the end of the of the Forks episode with Richie, at some point in the show he's trying to take his daughter to a Taylor Swift concert. It's not working out. And at the end of the episode they're playing a T Swift song, but they're just playing an instrumental and it's an old school. It's a love story, taylor Swift, you know like, as the transition from country to pop was happening, and but they're playing the instrument all the whole time. You're like man, why do I recognize this song so much? And then it, then it just, and then it. I recognize it. I recognize it's playing for like three minutes or something like a long time in the show and then it just cuts to him belting that song.
Speaker 1:Mary me, is this the car on his way home?
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I do it, if I'll be honest, if you're a dude, you've never belted out that song in the car by yourself. You ain't lived, bro. If you ain't belted out Tim McGraw highway, don't care while zooming down the highway.
Speaker 2:You ain't lived, dog. I think my favorite character arc of the season was Richie oh yeah, without a doubt, and I think that's what that was intended. You know, like that was a star shining through there, for sure I'd like more time with Maddie.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest, I wish we didn't get nearly enough time with fat. Does he go by fat in the show, or do they call him Maddie?
Speaker 2:sometimes too. Fat Fat yeah, they call him both. Well, Neil. Fact is, his real name is Maddie yeah.
Speaker 1:And he's really a professional chef? Yeah, I know we said last episode too, but he's, he's like the only person qualified to like tell anyone what to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's the maintenance guy. I love it. Yeah, I love it. He's a he's a great character. He's awesome, and so I do. I want more time with him too. The so the episode, the Christmas episode, the real the banger.
Speaker 1:this is the trauma episode. Yeah, season one had the like the pick up order, delivery order meltdown episode where they enabled preorders that were Like it was. It was 500 preorders before the restaurant opened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they didn't put a governor on that, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's the meltdown episode. Mm, hmm, this season the meltdown episode is the flashback to Christmas, yeah, with Karmie's mom, when Mikey was still alive and it gives us a window into like OK, we've heard the the families f'd up.
Speaker 2:Why are they f'd up? Are they that f'd up? What's going on, Mm? Hmm, and it's the mom, it's the mom Holy shit, is that mom that? Shit crazy.
Speaker 1:Ok. Jamie Curtis, mm hmm. Jamie Lee Curtis, sorry, I bet you won your third, your middle name pronounced. I've always thought she's an OK actress, mm hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think she's. Yeah, I'd say I was.
Speaker 1:I've never, I've never expected much from her. Freaky, freaky Friday, Freaky Friday, she's totally great.
Speaker 2:And that's not Oscar material.
Speaker 1:That's OK and it doesn't need to be. But I have I don't know if I've ever seen a movie or TV show, or she did that In one episode Mm, hmm, Made me think it was OK to kill your mom. More Like, oh my gosh dude, Like I was just watching that and I legit was like I was trying to think if my mother was like that, Like what you're like what would you be like Mother? Mother, I love you. You listen to this podcast. I love you. Mama, I would smother you If you were that.
Speaker 2:She was abusive, she was bad.
Speaker 1:So abusive, so mean, mm. Hmm, oh my gosh, like the most nightmarish, like how could you ever marry into that family it once you met her, once you?
Speaker 2:saw her.
Speaker 1:Like I get, I get it's a lot of. It is like wrapped up in mental health?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I just had.
Speaker 1:Iron Maiden in my head Just run for the hills. Easy, easy. That's as much as we could say. That's what. I would do, oh yeah bro Because it's like it is beyond, like rude, mean catty mother-in-law it's she might unstable, she literally might drown our grandkids.
Speaker 2:Just because she has a breakdown.
Speaker 1:She's legitimately dangerous, doesn't she? She drives the car through the front of the house, right At the end. She could have killed somebody. Oh yeah, I that's like All right. Like I was shocked she was still alive for the season finale, like when they're like we should invite mom. Yeah, I thought she was dead at that point because they'd not mentioned her, since I was like, I was like I don't know, I was just like, if she's not dead, did anyone like, just like put her away, like take her?
Speaker 2:out to the woods.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna take her to the bottom of me or take her to like a mental health clinic, Right Something. Don't just let her live free roaming the streets of Chicago. She's a menace Dude, I don't know. That was a rough episode. That was like I didn't think I enjoyed a minute of that episode. There's not one moment I enjoyed which is probably the point.
Speaker 2:What I like about this show in general is it makes other other TV shows other things. You can be hyper gory or hyper sexualized or hyper, hyper, hyper, whatever how they do stuff. It doesn't make me feel anything.
Speaker 1:I don't feel stuff when I watch a lot of stuff like this, the terminal list.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I do, I wanted to hurt you, I really wanted to hurt you, but the but I would agree in that too. Like you know, with that, you know thriller action, different application and then most of the things I watch, so they just I'm like, eh, you know, I'm just watching it, whereas the bear I feel when I'm watching it, I feel something, I feel emotions, I feel pulled this way. And now when they do it really well, and in this episode, even if you have a healthy family dynamic, you're just like watching it, like, oh my God, I can see how this would definitely this is a Christmas.
Speaker 1:This is a Christmas dinner, you know like, oh my gosh, this is a Christmas, that final episode.
Speaker 2:You know. Karmie's locked in the freezer, like we already talked about. He doesn't get to see the fruits of his labor. He completely wrecks his relationship with this girl because he lashes out kind of unfair that she was on the other side. He was expressing his himself and he did not.
Speaker 1:A good wingman move to not be like Karmie Karmie shut up, yeah, karmie, shut up, yeah, so. Pat back me up. Never let me get more than like five words into that meltdown.
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:If Billie Jean was on the other?
Speaker 2:side. Oh, dude, because here's the deal. We all have our thoughts and feelings.
Speaker 1:You get the gun and you shoot it and make us deaf so no one hears anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like, just like, yeah, so he did get left hanging there for sure, and a little unfair that you don't get to. When you express your deepest thoughts and emotions, you know that you don't even mean the person standing there. But what I did love about this final episode was Sydney and Richie just rocking it out doing their thing and all the people in the kitchen executing to their full potential. Why do we, as humans, love a team of individualists coming together so much? You know where you have. You have the. We love it. Humans love this. We Americans I don't know who. I love this. Avengers, bro. You have the Avengers. You have individuals who are self made in their own way. They're they're quirky, they are rebels, they have their flaws, but when they come together in a team and execute, we love it. Sydney humbles herself where she needs to. She needs to cover Karmie, and so she gives the. She gives the ball to Richie and Richie All right, your team captain, let's go. He's in charge, and then he takes two seconds to steady himself and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He's just executing, executing, executing, and it's like I love it. I love that thing about humans.
Speaker 1:I agree and I think, actually, like I appreciate you saying that, because I don't think we're really aware of it the worst, the worst heist movies are the ones where it's not individuals Oceans 11, bro, oceans 11 is individuals. Oceans 12 doesn't feel like it. Oceans 12 feels like we skimmed over what everyone's been up to. And Oceans 12 doesn't fit as much because it feels like we're way more focused on just three characters rather than the 11 reservoir dogs goes wrong, goes wrong, but they're all individuals that they're, different personalities and quirks and different things revealed. And, of course, avengers, avengers, you know, having a decade to build each individual and then let them have their moment of shining fan service, which is was excellent. I don't care what anyone says. You cannot like comic book movies, whatever. The last two Avengers movies are just pure nonstop hype because of the payoff, right, and I think it is like what you said to your to that credit seeing distinctly individual people that we recognize are individuals, we've learned about them, empathized, related to them, and then they come together as a unit, which is honestly what we all do every day, right, and in our work and our family, whatever it is, and maybe it's just because it's the most relatable kind of depiction in media. But anyways, I don't know where the show goes from here, which is kind of how I feel about season one. I genuinely think the bear season one might have is hard for me to say out done itself. Not just that, I enjoyed season two. I did not enjoy it as much as I thought I would. I had more frustrations with it than I did with season one for sure, season one felt like lightning in the bottle. Season two felt like it was watered down quite a bit, at least in just regards to like what I enjoyed from season one to season two. There's a lot of new things they did I enjoyed, but the direction of car me really hurt me. You know what I mean. Like just the, it felt soiled a little bit. So I think with that I almost I can't decide if it would have been better. In my opinion, not a fact, right, but I can't decide if I would have rather just seen season one and let it be lightning in a bottle. Let it be that thing that like I don't want to see more of this car me, right, I don't want to see more of car me hurting. I'm afraid in season three they'll let the restaurant burn down and everyone's like okay, but car me is like dead. Yeah, I mean, like that sucks, dude. So, like I guess all I said, do I think it? The season two is good? Yes, is it a glowing full throttle to thumbs up? Not any way shape or form. If someone told me I'd really didn't like season two, would I have a bounded pick? Not at all, I'd get it, I'd get it. So I think with that I don't give season two any thumbs.
Speaker 2:Season two is a no thumb, it's good, but man, is there better TV?
Speaker 1:that didn't leave me disappointed like it did, and I think that's maybe where it got lost. You can have the super stressful while I hate this, I don't want to be a part of this uncomfortable scenarios as long as you don't take away the things that are enjoyed outside of it. The redemption and I think they just humiliated our boy Karmie rather than redeem him, which maybe they're doing so they can do an ultimate season three pickup Right, cool, great. I don't like it right now. You know what I mean. Got some trivia you want to share with us. You copied most of these.
Speaker 2:You put most of these down and, you know, did the research. When they were getting ready to film that episode, forks were Richie has his transition. The crew was looking at a lot of sci-fi movies space Odyssey, ridley Scott films and they wanted to kind of create that mysterious atmosphere where they're and it did feel that like that when he's walking into this restaurant. I thought he was in a dream at first. It did feel a little dream.
Speaker 1:I thought he was in a dream.
Speaker 2:You know, but then it, oh no, this is real life, and so they I think they did that really well this, this other worldly place, when he's in this Michelin star restaurant. In the episode fishes we already talked about, you know, lots of act big actors were brought on, or notable actors were brought on Jamie Lee Curtis, bob Odin Kirk, sarah Paulson, john Mulaney but the cast found out about about each guest star, kind of like as they were cast, so they were kind of hyping them up, you know, and then also they didn't know who was going to play the role. You know, so it's like you're just like okay, who's going to play the mom? Oh what? Jamie Lee Curtis playing the mom? Yeah.
Speaker 1:So like I bet that was a big deal too. You know like she's a big name, regardless of what you think like Jamie Lee Curtis coming out for a potential one episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and for a show that a show that's been good, but it's not like I mean, because of how much TV is being produced right now. It's not like every. I talked to a lot of people who watch TV and I'm like have you seen the band? Like I've never heard of it, you know where. So, like you know, coming on to something like that, right, big deal, um, the uh, they're trying to figure out the suit for Richie and they were going for Al Pacino in heat. They're like I just think that, like that, like he'd be like you know, you know he's.
Speaker 1:Al Pacino in heat does look like his suit, does look like it's bold proof. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Very John wiki. And Al Pacino is always buttoning and smoothing the front. I don't know if you noticed that he's always buttoning and smoothing, but that's what Richie's doing a lot. He's always kind of like button and smooth, just like you know, he does?
Speaker 1:he does do a lot of the pull down, taught double button, correct upper button, yeah, smooth breast pockets, which is? I do that because I only have double button suits, so you gotta get them get them like it is a weird like subliminal habitual thing.
Speaker 2:And gives it as you put on your armor, thus in the second seat episode of the season. I thought it was hilarious when this happened, because I've been in a lot of crappy construction sites and like crappy remodels in my life and they're like everything's fine, it's all right, Like this place is fine and Richie pokes the ceiling with like a broom and the whole ceiling falls down and it's a cloud of black mold. Richie's just like. That's every time you do. Every time you do a remodel, this is the crap you get into.
Speaker 1:What do you think they used for that? Because it looked so awful.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I legit like I was like how did they do that? That looks like ashes. I know, I don't know Because I would dust. I would love to be charcoal.
Speaker 2:dust up the prop master of a movie, just like that's your job it looked so good. Figure out what looks like cancer. Yeah, figure out what's going to not kill them, but look like it'll kill them and so. But the guy plays Richie Evan. He's like he wanted to use live rats. He's like what if I poke this and like live rats start falling out of the ceiling, which I think would have been awesome, awesome, it would have been awesome. But Disney aka Hulu, they said aka FX, was like no that's a no go, mr Boo.
Speaker 1:We are dealing with live animals, which is ironic because the the mountain is like mouse is free. Now, dude, the mouse is free of the shackles of Disney. Hmm, did you not know? Hmm, copyright on Mickey Mouse expired. Mickey Mouse is free domain. Now what? Anyone can use Mickey Mouse. You heard that right, folks.
Speaker 2:Oh, make your Mickey.
Speaker 1:Mouse t-shirt free, you just you can't have Disney on it. You can have the word Disney, but Mickey Mouse is free domain. Holy smokes, A couple of ones. So in episode four, when our boy Marcus is in Denmark, he gets a little white piece of paper from Karmie. It says Vert Suken, Taylor Jeges, Klerdijk, which says every second counts and I love you. Only thing is Marcus doesn't ever know what this says in Dutch, so he doesn't know. Karmie said I love you, which is just like a sad dude, you know. Also in that same episode, the man just you know it's funny and nice little cameo the man that in distress that Marcus helps back on his feet, played by the acclaimed Danish journalist, writer and food critic Martin Kongstad. And this goof, I have to say, just because I have literally willfully locked myself in a cheap food freezer at a summer camp, All walk in for just having an emergency release button so you don't freeze to death and die.
Speaker 2:Exactly that was. I thought that was one downfall, it's just like do they?
Speaker 1:do they know anyone who's ever worked in any restaurant ever?
Speaker 2:They should have had both handles break right, like like they all they had to do was should have had it like earthquake right, collapse, I don't know. All they had to do was have like the handle gets ripped and they say, oh shoot, use the, use the button, and then he rips off his right. Because I had the same thought. I was just sitting there and I leaned to my wife and I'm like I just said, if there was no way to get out of these fridges, more people every year would die. No, no, no, not every year, every day. Every day Somebody would die in a fast food restaurant. That's so true.
Speaker 1:I can't tell you how many times I've laid it closed on me when I was in, when I was a waiter. Yeah, like, oh, go in the freezer walking, get this stuff, help out. You know your chefs walk in there. I could the door closed behind me every single time as I'm pulling the cart out I hit the button release, walk out.
Speaker 2:Across this great nation.
Speaker 1:You know how many kids are closing Nobody stoned waiters and waitresses are closing down your food restaurants right now, who would just be dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that was, that was a miss on that. I thought just just because it was like it pulled me out briefly, but I am the type of person who sees that, but anyways, yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's. That's the only real goof I got here. So with that we kind of we gave our ratings. It gets a no thumb for me, I guess. Actually did you give it a thumb?
Speaker 2:I'm giving it. I'm giving it one thumb because, you know, I think last time I gave it to.
Speaker 1:I get. I think we gave it a four thumbs.
Speaker 2:It was a big one. And so this one I'm giving it a one thumb because, like I said before, it's still watching it. I felt I was like like the Grinch, you know, I'm like, I feel, I'm feeling, you know, yeah, so it's like I, for that sake, you know, I felt stuff. I appreciated the acting, the cinematography, all the stuff.
Speaker 1:And it was good. I don't want people to think I didn't think it was good, but is there better? I think so. Yeah, and it's hard for me to give it that one thumb. It's right on the cusp, I'll say For sure. Anyway, folks, our Ken out there, thank you for joining us. We know who you are, we appreciate you, we thank you. We've got we're starting in some reviews on our website. You know a lot of engagement on the YouTube's. We respond to comments, comment on our videos, let us know what you think. Also, subscribe, like, dislike, let us know stuff, and definitely share the podcast with friends and family. We appreciate it. But, all that said, we're so thankful for you. Thanks for joining us. We hope you enjoyed season two of the bear as much as we did, if not more, and we look forward to talking to you next time. Until next time.
