Apple Podcasts
Spotify
YouTube Channel
Youtube Music
Castro
Podchaser
RSS Feed
Ever wondered what the tangy mix of flavors in New Belgium's Pink Lemonade Shandy actually consists of? Or why Quentin Tarantino chose to use Madonna’s song 'Like a Virgin' in Reservoir Dogs? We've got the answers for you. It’s a craft beer and movie extravaganza as we crack open the unique blend of sweetness, tartness, and sourness that New Belgium's Pink Lemonade Shandy offers. The beer talk doesn’t end there, as we shed light on the company's shift from producing heavier beers to more IPAs and lighter Fat Tires.
As for the movie buffs, we take you on an exploration of Tarantino's debut film, Reservoir Dogs. We discuss powerful performances, point out some continuity errors, and do a deep dive into the iconic scenes that made this film a cult classic. We also touch upon the influence of Western and Japanese samurai films on Tarantino’s work, particularly visible in Kill Bill. From Tim Roth's character to Steve Buscemi's unique facial features, we take you through the best movie performances and how they shaped the Tarantino universe.
Lastly, we tackle a subject of universal interest - tipping. What's the right amount to tip a waiter or a driver? Does the quality of service dictate the amount of the tip? How have apps redefined the tipping game in the hospitality industry? We delve into these questions and more, providing you a lively conversation on craft beers, Quentin Tarantino films, and the service industry. It's a hearty blend of brews, reviews, and views! So grab your drink, sit back, and enjoy. Let’s stir up some fun conversation and quench your thirst for knowledge!
We ride together we die together.
Speaker 2:I mean bad boys for life. Get busy living. Fuck that busy dying Gang first last, please don't entertain.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't entertain. Welcome to Brewz and Reviews with Mick and Pat. I'm Mick and I'm Pat. In each week we sit down with you to generets, to pretend we're certified cicerones and cinephiles. That is right.
Speaker 2:So grab a cold one and join us as we review New Belgium's Pink Lemonade, Shandy and Quentin Tarantino's debut film Reservoir Dogs and if you've been with us before, you know what time it is.
Speaker 1:Release the clock, mmm. Well, without like even pouring it. Yet I just had to get a little taste. In had to see how it was.
Speaker 2:It's got a nice color. It looks like a. It's got a nice color, it's got a nice color.
Speaker 1:It's got a nice color, it's got a nice color.
Speaker 2:It looks like a pink lemonade. One of those foamy sounds are coming through the very Like just the foam being so aerated.
Speaker 1:It's very like apricotty.
Speaker 2:See what's this can say. This can looks like a summertime in the like the 60s that font. The font reminds me of another Tarantino film.
Speaker 1:It's on the back of that red truck?
Speaker 2:Is it a red truck in Kill Bill the Pook wagon? Yes, that one. It's got that font on there. It's pink lemonade shandy. It looks like it's got a little cotton candy on this. Yellows, oranges and pinks, and I think this is a seasonal that they're coming out with. Have they done this one?
Speaker 1:in the past. I've never seen it before. I was at New Belgium on a Saturday afternoon and I didn't see it there.
Speaker 2:This is a new one. So it says here on the can Ever miss your younger days hustling lemonade in your parents driveway? We've got something better A refreshing pink lemonade shandy. A fooder aged golden, sour with a small batch pink lemonade brew, reminiscent of that summertime classic. Sick back, relax and support your local lemonade stand. So also on here says it's a tart colch ale with lemon juice and colored with black carrot extract.
Speaker 1:It does look carroty, it's way more sour than I expected for it, like when I, when you said shandy yeah. I was not expecting a sour.
Speaker 2:I was like a wheat beer. Yeah, this is. It is got a sour in there.
Speaker 1:I'm not complaining, but you know what to do, right, it's been a minute. Have you forgotten the method? Which one? The mick method, bro the switch around the switch.
Speaker 2:I've not forgotten.
Speaker 1:Alrighty, well, folks, you know what to do. If you've been with us before now, I'll go through it for you. You're going to take a sip about a tablespoon and you're going to let it go all over the top of your tongue and down to the side of your tongue. Underneath your tongue, inside your tonsils. You know that little gap where your tongue meets your molars. And then you're going to push around side to side, and then you're going to push your tongue to the roof of your mouth and push it all through your teeth, your front teeth.
Speaker 2:When I do it with the sour it gets me the sour flavors hit all over on the sour tastes. It's a six point, seven by volume, wee.
Speaker 1:That's apricotty, that's. It kind of tastes like snow to me, like snow. Yeah, it has like that weird taste that fresh snow. Has it's been peed in? No, no, pat. Like you know, when it's fresh snow you scrape it off like the top of your car. Before you clean your car off, you know, before everyone's out and about.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:You just munch on it. Kind of has that crispiness to it.
Speaker 2:I see that.
Speaker 1:I don't really know if I'm getting a lemon.
Speaker 2:Definitely get apricot. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the what the yeah lemon part is in here.
Speaker 1:What's it? What's it say online, did they have anything else listed? They say Cool, but nothing here that says any other flavors are there than lemon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's got the same bits about there being a fooder aged to golden. Sour of fooder, food is just a wine barrel.
Speaker 1:Just the bear for. Yeah, for any of you who aren't just around, fooders are just the giant wooden wine caskets that they let wine ferment and then they leave all the goodies, the tannins, in the wood and then they brew a beer in them to make sourced.
Speaker 2:And it says with a small batch of pink lemonade brew. So I guess they put some lemon in lemon lemons in there.
Speaker 1:Pink lemonade brew. But like pink lemonade. Isn't pink lemonade usually strawberry lemonade Like? Isn't that how you usually make pink lemonade Like?
Speaker 2:you make lemonade and you let strawberry sit in it. Probably the real. That's probably the real way. The other way is whatever just the food coloring dye is, that's in the powder black carrot, and then this one in this case he's the black carrot to give that color. This is what sets our pink lemonade Shandy apart is its unique blend of flavors. The Colch beer base adds a touch of sweetness that perfectly balances the tartness of the lemon, creating a harmonious and well rounded taste profile.
Speaker 1:Actually, you know, on that next sip I think I do taste like kind of the Get into the lemon, really only the tart bitterness of the lemon. I don't taste like any of the sweet or sour associated with lemonade. Usually I feel like the sour is definitely like coming from like that apricot or wine flavor.
Speaker 2:You know the tannins, like we should make lemonade and not put sugar in it, and it probably tastes, you know, and fermented and then fermented Like just pour, pour wheat beer into it.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, I mean, I'm just, I don't think it's bad, excuse me, I just don't think it tastes like lemonade, it tastes very Like. If you told me this was a, I think it's Avery, that doesn't. Apricot beer, apricot sour, or no? No, no crush.
Speaker 2:You know the crush sours.
Speaker 1:They got like an apricot cucumber. I don't know what the other ones are, I can't remember, but I would think it was that it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it tastes like a sour. I think that anytime you have shandy on it, the lining Kugel taste is just what's in your head. Which the lining Kugel is like drinking a lemonade or like you know, not really, but like as far as how it's, it's not a. You could hand it to anybody, like when it's hot outside, and they could just like they just start drinking it, Like I don't really know what this is, but it's, it's helping me in this sun right now, whereas this, like this, has a lot of a lot going on inside of it. That's more flavors, that's more things.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's got a lot going on.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be counter to you. I'd say not multiple things, but strong.
Speaker 1:I think it's good. It's definitely just not what I'd expect for a shandy line in Google. I think is like. I still think. The line in Google, though, is like a distinct, you know, weedy flavor, mm. Hmm, it's not that I would. I would drink this on a hot day.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:I love sourced, to begin with, you know what I mean. Like I think they're. They usually have a lot of different flavors in them and so. But I can't say like if you told me to pick the side of a lineup of a ton of sourced, I don't know if I'd be able to do it. I agree, it's kind of like a background fits the mold for any sour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I grabbed this one because today has been the, I think, the hottest day of the year so far. No, was it? I think so, at least, geez man.
Speaker 1:I thought Saturday and yesterday were hot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like not fun hot until the rain came.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a, but these last few days have been toasty or in the peak of summer, so when I saw the shandy on there it enticed me into grabbing it off the shelf.
Speaker 1:Nice, well, I don't think we need to spend any more time on it, unless there's anything else you want to add.
Speaker 2:No, I think you know it tastes like a sour beer it tastes like yeah, it tastes like a sour, you know. It's not. It wouldn't be a super strong, sour, it's easy sipper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what are you going to give it, pat? What are you thinking?
Speaker 2:I'm giving it a zero thumbs.
Speaker 1:I'm also going to give it a zero thumbs. Yeah, it's not bad, but it's not excellent.
Speaker 2:So I'll tell you this New Belgium, you've stuck a fat price tag on this thing.
Speaker 1:Did they? What was it?
Speaker 2:The four pack in the store was 16 bucks, which is like, just like, should be some nice beer. They're also tall boys, they're tall boys, they're tall boys, I should say that. But then online they're selling eight packs for 50 bones, which I'd feel like. When you see that type of price tag, you just kind of put a really it's a high expectation. It's a limited release, summertime, seasonal, by a brewery that puts out some good beer, and so when you slap that big price tag on it, the expectations go up. I agree, so I feel like I could get this type of flavor and experience in a lot of places.
Speaker 1:A variety pack of other sours.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, New Belgium. I'm not going to recommend it to anyone as their first sour, and I'm not going to say it's a bad one either. I'm going to enjoy it For New Belgium's reputation. It's kind of a sad sleeper, I mean. It's like I'll never go out of my way to get it again. I don't think.
Speaker 2:I will either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on that note, how do you feel about the Domingo sour that they have it's?
Speaker 2:like their.
Speaker 1:Mamosa sour. I don't think I've had it. I don't like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it tastes weird. I think Mamosas themselves kind of don't taste all that good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm just not a Mamosa person. It kind of tastes like someone carbonated orange juice and then it got flat and I just think it really tastes flat and it doesn't really taste like juicy or sweet or anything. It's not like a tequila sunrise Like, I think tequila sunrises taste phenomenal, right, and the Mamosa sour is just supposed to be a Mamosa in a can, but it's beer instead of vodka and it just is not very good in my opinion.
Speaker 2:That stuff in Kansas already risky. I don't know if the Belgium they're doing a little, they're getting a little wild lately, are they, though I think they're playing it safe. Or are they just bending to what they think is going to be the?
Speaker 1:I think they're playing it safe, dude. I think they're really playing it safe. I think they're just doing things that they know will sell, but they're not getting crazy and experimental like they used to be. Bro, yeah, like.
Speaker 2:But they're also not sticking to the main thing.
Speaker 1:I think so With the.
Speaker 2:Look how many different freaking voodoo's there are. Yeah, but I mean like the, the amount of IPAs they have. I understand, since they shifted the fat, they changed the fat tire up, you know. Like they're not like they made a lot of people upset with that and it does taste. The taste of that fat tire now is like more people like it.
Speaker 1:You can distinctively tell that it's not the same fat tire.
Speaker 2:You think more people like it, like more, yes, broader, it's a broader casting net. That's the point of why they did it. They did it because they're like we're going to get more people who want to pick this beer if they like it.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you this it definitely tastes like a craft beer of PAPS Blue Ribbon now, yeah, it doesn't taste like Coors, definitely tastes like a fancy PAPS, and I just don't think that's as good as it used to be.
Speaker 2:That's not a good thing, but they're casting a wider net. They're not going as deep, dude. What's crazy. They're going shallow.
Speaker 1:What's crazy I'll talk about this on the actual podcast is that I took a dude, this, hopefully a guy who'll be my whole future brother-in-law. He's dating my sister-in-law.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:And I love him. Hitman and I are just really good buds. This was his first time in Fort Collins, so I took him to the top 10 breweries in Fort Collins and he's kind of a lightweight. All of his experience because he doesn't drink, because he goes to the Christian school on a scholarship for sports, so it doesn't really drink at all during the school year. So he only has beer when he's not at school, and even then he's kind of not supposed to according to scholarship contracts or whatever. But the beer he has had is light beer. He doesn't know craft beer. So we took him to all of our local breweries our top 10 up here and dude he was just in heaven, but he was also overwhelmed immediately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, In his blood cells? Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 1:We got to funk works and he was cashed out. He was done. He was like guys, I don't know if I could drink anymore. I think I'm just going to sip have five ounce tasters for the rest of the day which makes sense, you know, when you go from like three to 4% light beer and then you reach your way over to, you know, six, 7% craft beer. That's a lot different, you know. Oh yeah, but anyways, we were doing the tour the free tour at New Belgium and they had Abbey, and Abbey is a discontinued beer. It was the first beer that developed, like the creator of New Belgium ever brewed, and it was like really weird. At the time. Not everyone liked it because it was like it's got a very strong banana nut caramel-y flavor and it's like a darker beer but not like a stout, and it just didn't sell as well with all like the general public, because the general public is just used to Bud Light or Coors Light, right. And so New Belgium discontinued it, but they every year brewed a little bit. If you're lucky you can get a bottle of it, or if they don't have any more bottles, you might still be able to get some on tap while you're on the tour. And this dude was like we still have a little bit left on this tap here if you guys want to try it. And I, you know, told him I was like dude, you got to try this. You'll never have another chance to try this again in your life. It's delicious beer. And he tried it in like all day. He talked about all, and then on Sunday after church the whole time we were like out at lunch and talking to people about the tours and stuff we did, he was like dude, this beer. I cannot stress you how good this beer was. It was unlike anything I've ever had and it was cool to see someone like him just like catch the bug for like what craft beer can be. But I feel like New Belgium's not doing that, new Belgium's not making the abbeys, they're not doing the delicious like you know, not playing into what beer is. You know beer tastes like you know out of like a Bud Light can, but rather like going for like craft ventures of design and profile.
Speaker 2:I think their new market is gas stations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's sad, but I think you're right.
Speaker 2:Like that's where, that's where I see it all. It's all tall boys and gas stations which make a money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've bought a beer from a gas station myself, but I have definitely walked to 7-eleven because it's closer than getting in my car and driving to the liquor store.
Speaker 2:But it's also, you know, you have one step closer to that, being that four locos. You know what I'm saying? I've never had a four locos, are they? I've never actually had a. Maybe we need to four local on a bruiser, we're local on a Bruin review if we've never had them before.
Speaker 1:That'd be funny. I'd do it, I would. We'd have to get like we should watch them, we should review.
Speaker 2:Cranked yeah With Jason Statham and the four locos and not have any zen that night. So we don't stop our hearts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't get it. Anyways, moving on to our film for the evening, we're throwing it back with a classic. I guess it isn't we misspoke earlier. It's not Tarantino's debut film. I think from dust to dawn was his debut film, but this was like the one that really got Tarantino on the map. Reservoir dogs.
Speaker 2:Craig. Messing up that script, bro, make me sound like a fool, but the yeah, that's a. This was the that one where he started making a name for himself. Yeah, but yeah, now it's like he's a Would you For, like film people you can't talk about what I mean film people we call ourselves cinephiles. I know what I'm saying is film. People cannot talk about film without bringing up Tarantino at some point. Yeah, whether it's because they don't like him or whatnot, he's not very politically correct, whether it's because they don't like him or because it's like there's so much fanfare around him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think Tarantino is one of the best filmmakers of all time. Like I think they're. I think it's like the Tarantino esque, like people literally describe other movies as like Tarantino esque.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean and that's that's up there with all the other ones Kafka esque, you know, scorsese esque, like Nolan esque, like, though, like you, when you get to the point where people are using your name to describe a vibe and a type of field of film. And so I was like, oh, that's a want to be Tarantino movie. You made it.
Speaker 2:You made it. You know for sure. It's like the same thing with musicians Like soloist guitar players, like that's the pinnacles when you have a sound like Van Halen, you know whatever, Jimmy Page, and that's what Tarantino has done for himself.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, I think, for I think for bands and the note of bands, if anyone knows the name of like any of the band members, that's significant. Like before you know before, like the Beatles, like boy band Nesque phase, I guess of like knowing everybody's name, like if people actually knew the name of your bass guitarist, like he must be pretty damn good If people knew the name of your drummer, like not just like your diehard fans, but like just people in general. Right, you know, you made it as a musician, oh yeah, and people stopped saying like yeah, the drummer for Red Hot Chili Peppers, and like they just actually know you by name. Then, like you've, you've defined the genre at that point, you know. So like I just kind of feel like that's kind of where Tarantino is and I think there's so many like clones of reservoir dogs. Like how many times have you seen the movie where I mean, let's be honest, dude departed as a clone of reservoir dogs? I don't care what people say, like Scorsese just made a nearly three hour long reservoir dogs cinematic action filled reservoir dogs. I think this is a cinematic action, yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel like. I feel like reservoir dogs, so is like it's really written, though as a, something like a. It's a playwright, that's like the way it's filmed and stuff.
Speaker 1:It could have very limited scenes could be on a stage.
Speaker 2:It could have just been done on a stage, you know that, meaning that versus, like you know, highly dynamic, whatever more like the departed stuff. But yep, the it's said and I think that I saw a bunch of movies that were based around and flavored from reservoir dogs before I saw reservoir dogs, but it's a. It had a lot of impact on the way people wanted to make movies.
Speaker 1:What was the first time you saw it?
Speaker 2:I think it was. I was honestly like 20 years old, like 10 years ago.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, I think the first time I saw I was like homesick watching on like Netflix, when Netflix was still in its early days of streaming. I think I just got the Xbox app on my Xbox 360 and Netflix really just didn't have much on there. But I remember like saw reservoir dogs.
Speaker 2:I was like I feel like I've heard people talk about it all the time, but I never. I did no way. I didn't have no idea what it was. I just heard the name.
Speaker 1:I mean I'll tell you what dude first time you watch it, like you, you don't realize the effect is going to have money. At least I did.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:A huge effect on me in regards, excuse me too, like, not only just like scene wise, like there are scenes I've never forgotten and like it's never. You know, you, you misremember things right. Like I've always remembered the way he chose to film the, the fake made up story of a bunch of sheriff deputies in the bathroom, while you know he's got a bag full of weed on him, and the way the camera spins around him and he's talking to the sheriff deputies. Tell them the story, tell them the story in the scene and the way that is the like him conveying the story, this made up story, to you. Know this this group, this gang, that he's trying to kind of pretty much get in with this high screw. And like I think, as a kid one, I was sick the first time I saw it. You know I was staying home sick from high school and I wasn't entirely tracking everything. I had never watched a movie out of order like this Right.
Speaker 2:We had to, like, really know, be paying attention.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like trying to keep track of stuff on like dayquil.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:But that scene for some reason immediately clicked for me, like seeing him communicating direct, like talking directly to the cops about the idea of like the situation and how stressful and panicky it would be Mm hmm, you know the dog barking and he's got all the drugs on him. For some reason, my like brain immediately switched and was like, oh, because this is made up, because he's a cop and he's making the story up to win these guys over with a believable story that he is a criminal and a funny story where you know the cops are stupid for not catching him and like I don't know why. But that just always has been burnt in my mind as like a lesson of like filmmaking, of like communication, and it really stands out to me of always like a scene where you are shown You're also being told Mm hmm, but it's way more show than it is tell Mm hmm, and it could have been a very boring, mindless, like forgettable thing, forgettable dialogue, where he's just very charismatic in a club and everyone's laughing and believing him, yeah, and even how leading, leading up to telling the story.
Speaker 2:We catch the story three quarters through, yeah, and it starts with his like handler telling the story, almost, or like getting him into the story, and then him rehearsing the story and him getting better at it and then getting better at it in a different place and time and then, like it pulls us, pulls us all the way through like a what would be in another movie, like a whole 30 minutes of like courting the gangsters, trying to get in with them, where he just was like by the end of the story, working a job for him.
Speaker 1:And for some reason it just feels more believable to me than Leonardo DiCaprio being a badass and smashing a glass on a guy's face for saying he's got a period. Mm, hmm, I don't know if you remember departed, but in the departed it's Leonardo DiCaprio. Or, as a cranberry juice, yeah.
Speaker 2:No vodka. The guy calls him a whistle.
Speaker 1:I guess when my girl drinks when she's on her period, you want you menstruating.
Speaker 2:Uh huh.
Speaker 1:And he like takes a smoke of a cigarette and smashes the glass Mm, hmm, and it's like it's kind of an intense scene in that movie just because of the way he's confronted by the other guys in the bar. But like I've never bought Leonardo DiCaprio as a badass, I've bought him as, like a troubled guy, mm hmm, a very dark, traumatized guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I've never bought him as like a badass fit in with a gang mafia you know right. And Tim Roth's not being a badass. Tim Roth's not. He's playing to, I think, like a very he knows the badasses are sitting in front of him and he knows what they are looking for is not a badass, they're looking for a thief.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he, he tells a story that makes him like, believable, as like a cool hand, luke, calm, collected under pressure, thief or dealer and someone who's not that far in yet.
Speaker 2:Like I thought I thought about that too when it was like it'd be funny kind of. It's kind of green, yeah. Yeah, Like telling a even for the time, telling like a weed story to these guys who like murder people. Yeah, They'd be like that's kind of like small time, you know career criminals yeah you're a pretty small time kid but like, but you're willing to do it and you can, and you got the balls to like you know, get through it. So then they I feel like that's yeah, during that scene that he was endearing in that way to like be brought in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the other scene that I always think of too, like before you know we'll, we'll break down like we usually do, but these are the two scenes that I immediately jumped to. Whenever I think this movie is stuck in the middle with you, and I've never, I think I grew up hearing that song a little bit on the radio when my mom would listen to classics, or on the rock station, but I didn't listen to it. I didn't hear it enough for it to be beyond, just like faintly recognizable. And then I saw this movie in that scene of, you know, michael Madsen being what was his name? Not Vincent, he's the other one, a Vic or Vic Vega. Yeah, he's John Travolta's brother from Pulp Fiction.
Speaker 2:In Pulp.
Speaker 1:Fiction John Travolta plays Vincent Vega.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:And this movie Michael Madsen is Vic Vega, but anyways, so they the way he tortures this cop, cuts off his ear, dances and kind of sings along and shuffles. There's never been a time that song comes on where I don't immediately start pretending to be Michael Madsen and like smithing my hair back and like shuffle dancing and like it's what's weird, is that? like I know this is like kind of psychotic, but to people who have not seen Reservoir Dogs before is it like that. You just look like a goof. I just look at them the way he looks at the cop right, and like I'm just dancing around them and shuffling with them and they're like laughing at me. I'm like you have no idea.
Speaker 2:You have no idea that, like I'm about to cut off your ear Like.
Speaker 1:But like it, was it just, you know, I mean like it's kind of like, I think, the same effect as other movies like Kill Bill has when, when you hear that like it's a very it is a famous song, or, like you know music snippets not a song or music snippet, but the, the Kill Bill, like sirens, like the siren sound, and then it's like the bass strumming and the drums, and then it culminates in the, you know, like that was originally from like some kind of 70s show or 80 or 60s shot, I can't remember which one. Like some cop show or it was, yeah, but like he took it, used it in Kill Bill, and now it's all anyone thinks about when they, when they hear that you know those that siren, everyone immediately thinks about the camera zoom on, like just eyes, serious focus and like back and forth before like the fight breaks out. And I just, I don't know like he, that's just what he does, like he knows he knows exactly what music or sounds to use to make a very incredibly memorable scene was.
Speaker 2:We're jumping over to another movie now a little bit, but I was wondering about it. When did anime start, compared to him Like like anime. Yeah, like those like the the kid I was just seeing about the way he films Kill Bill, like with those like punch ins on the face and stuff and all that stuff is like the way that I wonder if he shaped any of the anime stuff or if the anime, you know, because it's just that that style, that's how it feels like the style is one influence the other.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes and yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's very hard to like. So, all right, tangent here before we get it, but this is what it is. Brisbane reviews is about going into the movies and the details. So Kill Bill is supposed to be essentially a Western, like an assassin Western, right, a culmination of all these violent 70s B movies that were garbage, that had hot chicks who knew karate and kung fu, because it kind of was a genre that just kept on building itself, right, you had kung fu movies, but then kung fu movies became like kung fu action movies and then, like kung fu action movies, became like hot babes and skin tight motorcycle suits doing kung fu in action and it just like it became, you know, like a memorial to itself, right, and so like Kill Bill is supposed to be kind of paying homage to like all of these classic signature styles, so like the, if you think about it, like Kill Bill came out in, like what?
Speaker 2:2000, something 2003, which is fine. Yeah, in my mind it's always older.
Speaker 1:Well, it feels older because the way the camera pans in is the same way the camera pans in on Clint Eastwood and the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. You know what I mean. Like it's the same thing, same camera moves and the whole thing. like the Western genre is inspired by, like essentially, the Japanese samurai movies of like the 1940s, like those movies, like the seven samurai movie is what got translated into the Magnificent Seven in America, right, and so, like all of them, do you have that kind of vibe. And of course you know anime is going to look a lot like the real life techniques they used in film, right, so that's why it all looks like that. Also, kill Bill, though on the DVDs If anyone has any of them anymore, you could probably watch it on YouTube. The DVD intro to Kill Bill, but like the DVD intro to Kill Bill, was just an animated, violent, graphic, animated, and so, like it was, it was very like over the top, exaggerated animation. You know that you would see like, for if it was an animated show in Japan, right, so that. But which was cool. I just remember that really always sticking out. Like it was really weird, like they drew it so well of, like one of the assassins fires like a round out of a sniper rifle, like travels down the street and through the front windshield of this limo, pass a bunch of people in it, into the head of this Japanese businessman with like two prostitutes by his side and, you know, kills him, right, and I don't know if things I was like oh, it is a real live action movie, but this is just like the inspiration of, like what it was on TV or something Right. You know. Okay, all right Back to the back to the movie though. Reservoir Dogs, reservoir Dogs. If you haven't seen it, sorry, some spoilers there, don't care, you know what you get in it.
Speaker 2:I've had a few years to see it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you get in on a bruise and reviews, you know we're going to review the movie, not spoiler free. But Reservoir Dogs came out in 1992 and directed by Quentin Tarantino. It's an ensemble movie but you could argue that Harvey Keetle and Tim Roth kind of share the lead spotlight. Harvey Keetle, especially because he was, he came on as a producer and co-produced it and he probably brought in like half the budget because he was already pretty big for his time. But the ensemble cast Michael Madsen, who plays Mr Blonde, chris Penn, who plays nice guy Eddie, steve Buschemi, who is or Buschemi Buschemi or Buschemi, steve Buschemi Buschemi, he plays Mr Pink. Quentin Tarantino, who plays Mr Brown, eddie Bunker played Mr Blue and Lawrence Tierney, who plays Joe. And essentially plot summary of the movie you know the way I blow it, boil it down is it's a who done it film. But it's kind of turned on its head because rather than a copper detector trying to find out who done it, it's the survivors of this heist that went wrong, trying to figure out which one of them is a cop that set them up. The $1.2 million film stays grounded, while maximizing scenes and confined and believable set pieces, with a cast that really lays it all out on the line. I gotta say like I don't think there was a flat actor. I can't think of anyone who was like, oh my god, this guy freaking sucks, like I think everyone was definitely like, given that they're all unbelievable. And then I think they're I think the real standouts to me of like, just like he doesn't feel like they're acting at all, doesn't almost feel like you're watching a movie, almost could be like you're watching a real person, like this is recorded footage of this dude. Really, in this situation I think Steve Buschemi just crushes it. Oh, crazy eyes. And then the cop. The cop Marvin Nash I don't know his actor's name, but that cop, he. When they cut off his ear and he turns and starts talking to Mr Orange Tim Ross character, he started like for a long as someone's like why does he talk like that? And then I was just watching at the other night and I was like, oh, he talks like that because he's deaf. Because his ears like his jaws all slow because he can hear himself in one ear and not in the other, and so he's like he's talking like a deaf guy. But for the longest time I was like, is he just like? Is this him talking? Because he's beat up in in pain, Because before he cuts his ear off he sounds totally normal, like a normal dude Right, which I just thought that was really good acting, you know, very aware. But what about you? What are your thoughts? Pat, who who's kind of the best performances? We're already kind of, you know, broke down some of our favorite scenes, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Steve Buscemi is always like I think he's. He's I don't know if I've seen something he's been in that I didn't like or that I didn't wasn't believable for his role. Yeah, like he always adds to, but first of all he's one of those guys too that's just like he's a movie star because he doesn't look like a movie star.
Speaker 1:You know, he's got these, got weird features.
Speaker 2:And so like, but they always. It plays to his favor. Yeah like even I watched the other night, not speaking of facial features, but his voice. I watched with my boys Monsters Incorporated, which he plays Randall the main bad lizard.
Speaker 1:I didn't know what you were talking about when you said Monsters Incorporated. You threw me for a loop Monsters Inc.
Speaker 2:So so he was watching Monsters Inc and he's the bad guy and it is just his voice. He's just, he's scary.
Speaker 1:But Randall's got those big lizard eyes yeah.
Speaker 2:And you're like that, steve Buskemi's face, like you know, that's the way Steve Buskemi is squinting his eyes. And he. So you know, and I don't know how much he was in before this, but then I think definitely feels like an early role for early role for him, and same with Tim Roth. I think he was one of his first big roles and he, he's not American, right, he's British, he's British, yeah, so he had to you know his performance is still what I really do.
Speaker 1:Compare a lot of like shot performances to like the way he is reacting Grinding his teeth, can't talk, struggling to like get his face to like work so he can talk. While being gut shot in the back of that car I was just like I don't. I like the way he. I remember the way he squirmed dude. It's it's like you're just like, oh my gosh, that's what it's like to be shot. It's not like when Bruce Willis gets shot or like when Bruce Willis is holding somebody who else's, gut, she's like get him for me, bruce, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like the, like, the slurring, and like the spittle coming up between his teeth, grinding Just all messed up. I was just like dude that is so visceral and feels very real, Feels like he's dying. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like he was terrified and scared. Yeah, really scared, you know, and the, so that performance, and then the Chris Penn, though who is the place. Nice guy, eddie, I've shown pens brother. He always looks to me. He looks like the if the kid from Sandlot grew up. What's the kid's name? Is the catcher? I don't know. But you know I'm talking about chunk, Not chunk. But, yeah, the chunk Wasn't chunk oh no, he was on his umpire. Yeah, but but when he grows up like the, something about his voice is so even he's like this gangsters son and he's a scary dude with a lot of power, but he has this like boy voice and it's not a bad.
Speaker 1:It's also that he calls his father daddy.
Speaker 2:He calls his father daddy, but like and it's not like he's up, it works well. It's like this I don't know, but the I think everybody's performance was great.
Speaker 1:You know, even Mr Blues, you know, I feel bummed because I did see the uncut like extended version or whatever, and he definitely had like a few more lines, yeah, and he definitely had a scene where, like, you, see him get shot, oh yeah, and you know he's dead. Um, I guess Eddie Bunker just didn't have much of like.
Speaker 2:You know they had to cut a lot out for the film's runtime, I guess you know that's thing about Tarantino to where he likes to leave a lot unsaid, undone, unknown, Um, and the the probably the worst performance in it all. Not that any of them are good or bad. Would be like Tarantino. Yeah, just it just was like I think. I think, watching. I think if you watched it for the first, if we watched it for the first time not knowing that was Tarantino, you'd be like who's that guy?
Speaker 1:This guy's pretty eccentric, you know, like, like this guy's like let's Tarantino in all of his movies he always plays like such a really pushy, like douche and sneery yeah, so sneery and such like so kind of setting like Pulp Fiction. He's that dude that they drive to to like get the car clean and get themselves cleaned up. Harvey Keetle is in that and is the cleaner that washes them down and has them clean their car. You know, and in that he's like such an asshole and like he's like my wife's going to be home from her shift as a nurse in like two hours. Like you guys, all he says, like he says something. Like you guys look like a bunch of like faggots or something in my TV, in my TV shirts. He's like gosh dude. I literally just watched John Travolta accidentally blow the brains out of a guy's head and Quentin Tarantino is more of an asshole somehow. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And he? I wonder if so. In this movie he wanted to play Mr Pink. He did originally and he didn't. But you know I don't Almost all of his movies going forward. He plays a very like bit not involved, bit piece role, almost cameo ask and some Django.
Speaker 1:He's the one of the Australian slavers.
Speaker 2:It just gets blown up in like a couple minutes, yeah, and so I wonder if, like prior to this movie, how much acting prospects he had in his and then, after this movie, he saw himself on the screen for like five minutes and it was like.
Speaker 1:I think that'll be great.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm going to do from now on and it didn't like it under. From then on he was like yeah, I'll just play a small role. I think that's great.
Speaker 1:I'm going to focus on the story which is like where he's shines man Like I remember being skeptical about. I wasn't the biggest and glorious bastard fan. I also think I watched it too young. It was pretty confused. I watched that movie now and I'm like I get it. I understand this is not supposed to be taken as a real thing.
Speaker 2:that happened Watch it without the violence just being like the only reason you went to the movies.
Speaker 1:The only reason you went to go see it or whatever. You know what I mean. When I went to go saw it, I thought it was going to be like a a saving private Ryan movie, right, I did not know it was going to be like this comedic, dark ensemble movie. You know, but a scene I remember I was skeptical about hateful late. I was like gosh, I hope it's good. I didn't really like in Glorious Basters when it came out Hope hateful late is good. And I remember hateful late just blew my socks off, dude. Like that movie is essentially Reservoir Dogs, wild West and a half of a red actually, and I think that movie's storytelling is phenomenal. I think the many, many aspects of like I don't know what's happening, I don't know if that guy's being truthful, he might have just lied to get under that dude's skin and it was just, it was, it was amazing and it kept me in bite in my nails and it's one of those movies that, like when they did it, where it came out in four parts for the extended version, dude, I watched that almost once a year and like it's on Netflix or HBO and I just like thrown, I throw in part one on, like December 22nd and, you know, by Christmas night I'm watching part four and uh, dude, I just I love that. I love that movie so much it's a Christmas, christmas. Dude it's honestly like thrilling, though when, like I don't know like when we broke it down into parts and watched it over a couple of days, like my wife and my mom and stuff, they were like on the edge of their seats of like who is doing it, who's what you know? And they just like Like, even though it was violent it was way more violent than they wanted it to be they still were very like on the edge of the story looking like, hopefully looking forward to like who is going to get away, who's going to live, mm hmm. And Tarantino doesn't play by the rules, man, like when you know spoilers for Pulp Fiction and have you seen hey Flate? Yeah, all right, spoilers for those? Just movie. He kills the leads, he kills whoever you think the main character is off pretty quickly, mm hmm. I remember in Pulp Fiction, watching it, and I always thought John Travolta, samuel L Jackson are the leads, they're the main characters, everything is resolving around them. And then you watch Bruce Willis mow John Travolta down with a Mac 10 at point blank range into the bathtub and it's insanely brutal and like, as a viewer, you're like it also breaks the middle.
Speaker 2:It breaks the concept of storytelling.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then, hey, flate, you know, you, you would swear to God that Kurt Russell was the main character protagonist in the movie Mm hmm. And he dies like third of the way in Mm hmm, like brutal poison, no doubt dead. It was just done. And I just remember I'm just like that's right, I forgot. Tarantino just literally will kill the main character third, like 30 minutes into the movie, an hour into the movie. It just shocked you and I think that's kind of what he does in this movie too. You know, like you don't really expect certain people to be dead Mm hmm. And then, like, as it goes on, you're kind of left. You know, you're left out there on the line really wondering who it is. I guess in the first time you saw the movie. I'm curious, did you think who did you think was the cop? The first time before it's revealed, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to remember. It's been so long so I've got to avoid. It's been, you know, Mr Orange, but the I probably was thinking that it was Mr White because of his humanity.
Speaker 1:I remember thinking it was Mr White, not as like a cop, but as like an informant, you know, like to get out of doing time. He's turning in Joe and just like, and I felt that was like they're. They're looking for this cop the whole time and what they're not looking for is it is a one of them that's been flipped to get a better sensing Right. And then when it was revealed that it was Mr Orange, I was like, damn well, I might it could have been Mr White. And then Mr White like literally you know two silver baller sends 30 rounds of 45 into those two cups. Oh, yeah, oh no, it wasn't Mr White. Yeah, yeah, but I just remember thinking that I thought it was Mr White for a long time. I never once thought it was Mr Pink. He just seemed too intelligent and too common sense, like we should leave, yeah. And a cop would be saying we should stay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And he was just, he was bad. You can tell he's just, he's just all about the life and like but he wasn't like a. Pragmatically.
Speaker 1:He wasn't like a bad guy. I felt like I didn't feel like Steve Buscummies was a bad guy. He's a thief, but he's not a bad guy, right. Yeah, he's not evil, he's just like he's not Mr Blonde trying to gun down everyone just for breaking, not following the rules.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, the, the scene when the with the ear cut off. I'm do you remember? I'm trying to remember? There's a. I saw a like a Tarantino interview or something, where he was talking about why they actually panned away from the ear and I can't remember. I think it was because it wasn't not going to.
Speaker 1:It was going to get like an X rating or something if they showed it. But also, like it seems like I think they panned away a couple of times because like it's on record that apparently Michael Madsen really struggled with doing it, and then I guess also that Michael Madsen and Marvin Nash's actor weren't actually always on set. Like there was one time when, like they just had, I guess, michael Madsen standing on the chair, like one leg on the chair, leaning forward and moving his hands, and then then they literally cut the film so that way Marvin Nash would be there, and you can kind of see it in a couple spots where, like, the backdrop is very blurred out, like a very sharp blur between the backdrop and then, like Marvin's face. It's especially clear when he's like talking to Mr Orange, right Like Mr Orange is laying on the ground, marvin's talking to him and then like it's super blurry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, but only half the screen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mr Orange is in clear view, marvin's in clear view, but the background behind Marvin's like a weird like blur, kind of like paintbrush effect on us. Right, and I don't know for sure, but like I feel like it was also to like, how do you make that look real and not just look like he's cutting play though? Yeah, and if it's like a, live cutting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought they actually like I thought part of was that the leaving it to the imagination made it even worse. Yeah, I remember the first time I was really confused and then when, like oh my gosh dude, when you're like always slitting his throat, which is horrible, and then like, oh, I cut his ear off, that's even worse, you know.
Speaker 1:And I didn't realize he cut his ear off until he's like yeah he's like passing Can you hear me. Yeah, yeah, gosh Throws it. And you hear like that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's gross, it's like oh my. He's so brutal dude and those, those scenes make my make me feel sick now, compared to when I watched him when I was younger. They make you feel sick Like now, like something about my, my like. I feel like it's twisted, but I'm also just like just as good as the first time, yeah, but not like not sick is not like, but there's something I think it's, since my, like my, my prefrontal cortex is now fully developed. Oh yeah, there's just something about watching those types of scenes in movies that are just like oh my god, it really gets to me. Versus like. When I watched him as 18, I was like that's, that's gross and I'm and like shocking.
Speaker 1:Versus now it just is like yeah, it gets you as a, as many of the gun tubers are keen to say. I had access to LiveLeak as a child and watched way too much internet videos and that ruined me forever. Yeah, I think LiveLeak, I think seeing people get their heads cut off on LiveLeak really is what made me like desensitized for sure, to like normal movie violence. You know you need help. You need help cracking that open.
Speaker 2:I'm good, I have a hangnail.
Speaker 1:I was going to say you look like your nails are hurting you. I got it.
Speaker 2:I'm a man, I can open this beer myself, yeah, but don't crack a nail over it, buddy. It's already cracked. That's the problem, all right, the I was wondering too like this is a classic Tarantino thing is like he's always using too much blood for, like whatever the wound is. Most of the time, you know and I feel like it starts here in this movie with Tim Roth like by the end there is a and Tim Roth's bleeding out his gut is a lot of blood, blood spreads out fast and there's always like if someone hits their head on the ground, like from a bike accident, there's blood on the ground, usually like stunned, like well, that's a lot of blood really fast, but this was like oh, he's dead three times.
Speaker 1:I don't think it was this man because trivia one of the trivia points they had an EMT on set the whole time to measure out the how much was like realistic and how much was not yet by the end, though, that thing was. I don't. I mean, I think it was realistic. Yeah, I think that's part of the reason why, spoiler alert, mr Orange tells Mr White that he's a cop. Like he knows he's dead at the end. I think part of it is. He knows like, even if the cops get in there right now he just got shot a second time. He's not bleeding a lot from that wound. It's because he ain't got much left to go right. Yeah, and like he just watched Mr White, you know Larry take a bullet for him and kill his lifelong. You know employer friend. Yeah, and Tarantino says it's called Junji or Yunyi in Japanese. It doesn't have a direct to English translation, but it's essentially like the requirement to do the honorable thing, even at one's own harm. And so when Mr Orange confesses that he's the cop to Mr White, well before the police get in there, it's him saying like I'm doing this to give you an opportunity to do whatever you think is justified, because you've earned every right to make a decision of what happens to me like the way you've cared for me and the way you just killed for me and the fact that I've lied to you, you have every right to essentially judge me execute me right and I think like yes, a part of that is the honor sake of like feeling indebted like man. This dude just killed his best friend for me and got shot for me. However, I think the other part of it is I'm dead. I'm so dead like it's over. I can't feel my legs. I feel like I'm 60 degrees warm. You know it's over and so in, like what? Do you think the camera doesn't show it, but you hear a lot of gunshots. Yeah, and Mr White looks like he goes down and gets shot. Do you think he?
Speaker 2:kills Mr Orange, I think he pulled it. Yeah, I think he. He shot him in the head and then he gets lit up. But here's what's going on while they're talking, there's sirens and yelling and shooting in the background.
Speaker 1:So this is, this is a lot of people, a lot of conjecture over it. I know Quinn Tarantino has actually said, given his definitive answer to it but do you think Mr Pink is alive or dead? Do you think he gets away? Do you think he gets shot?
Speaker 2:It's dead or alive, I don't know, but I don't think he got away with the diamonds. I'll say that much, you know. Yeah, and I think he got a couple holes poked in them Do you think he died or do you think he lived? I'm trying to think you hear his. There's a funny thing is there's lots of firing and then you hear his voice once or twice.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, he says stop shooting, I'm shot, or something like that.
Speaker 2:So I mean, you know, like from Tarantino movies, you can't approach them like how you approach modern movies now, where you're like guns only like a revolver has six rounds and if you were shot in this location you'd need a turn a kit within. You know, you know three minutes.
Speaker 1:I feel like he follows rules, though. Well, I think he does. He does follow rules, but it's he leans more towards the art side, you know, like compared to now where it's, like you know, I mean he makes it look like, if you get shot with like a 30 caliber revolver ball ammo, that you just got hit with a 50 cal. Yeah, you know, like in.
Speaker 2:Django, yeah, yeah, like that sort of stuff, and so I mean, what point being like he doesn't care about that stuff as much as he cares about what's the story and the art that's going?
Speaker 1:on.
Speaker 2:And so, yeah, I guess it sounds like he got shot, but I don't know if he lived or died. Yeah, you know, yeah, I Is there more shooting after he says no, I got shot.
Speaker 1:No, no. Do you want? Do you want to know the official word? What's the official word? Tarantino's official word is that he wanted Mr Pink to be the only survivor. So Mr Pink is the only one that lives. He gets arrested, doesn't get away. So I was thinking, but he doesn't die, okay, which I get. I think it's cool, and I think that's pretty cool, that Steve Buscemi is that guy Like he seems he seems the only one, like he's the smartest one saying we should get out of here, yeah, and I think it's fitting that he's the level that really gets away with it, yeah. I also really liked how Mr Orange, though, didn't in the end, he didn't beg for his life, he wasn't like Larry, what are you doing? What are you doing, larry, don't do it. He just like, when you know Mr White puts that gun to his head, he just says I'm sorry, larry, I'm sorry and knows, like he accepts. And I really liked that because it feels like it feels like in a lot of these types of movies, they like really try to show like this cop is getting too dirty, he's really struggling. He likes his criminal buddies, he doesn't want them to get shot or die or whatever, and it's like okay, whatever. But this really seems like a self sacrifice almost, of like you should know, you should know the truth before it's over. And I think you're you're so good because of what you've done for me that you have every right to to take my life to and like for me that just always like that kind of rings out as like a very definitive thing of like the. I mean, imagine like someone's got a gun to your head. How much would that person have had to done for you and how much guilt would you have to have to not even beg for your life To just be like I'm sorry, yeah, go ahead, do it. You have every right to I'm sorry, yep, and I just think like to see a cop flip.
Speaker 2:That way was pretty powerful, I agree. I agree, all right, go ahead. And I, when I just rewatched it, I'd forgotten that the the cop who gets tortured. I'd forgotten that he did know that mr Orange was a cop. Yeah, he was holding out, and he was a tough cookie too.
Speaker 1:I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:Like he, wasn't like I'd forgotten that. He just I thought I was like this poor bastard just doesn't know, yeah, he's screwed, but it's like. No, he actually like he was holding out in this.
Speaker 1:You know what it makes. I feel like it'd be easier to hold out to if, like that person, was right in front of you.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he didn't think mr Orange was even probably still alive. You thought he was dead, but he still kept his mouth shut just in case, dude, and when, when mr Orange guns down mr Blonde like such a feels good scene, you know, feels justified, like stopping that, like because you're you're like no dude, don't light up on fire, don't? I don't want to see this guy burn in this chair. Oh man, it was, it was great. What do you think about mr Pink's philosophy on tipping? I know a lot of people reference the tipping conversation at the beginning as like a, as a real, like, yeah, reservoir dogs is why I don't tip or reservoir dogs is why I tip and it's become I feel like it's even become more Prevalent, like when they, when they film this they had been fatigued. They had no idea that the fact that they said, yeah, if she's doing a great job, I'm gonna tip her 12%. I'm like, yeah, bro, I can't remember the last of my tip 12%.
Speaker 2:I feel like I have to tip 20, like if they spit in your food, you tip 12. Yeah, like, if they like, if they like curse your mother, you tip 12%. But the. Or like if you're at Dutch Bros, yeah, an iPad gets shoved in your face with like a giant box. It says 30% and there was like whatever you want, bro, just click it. You're like I Don't, I just I don't tip, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't. I. Here's my thing, man. What's your philosophy on? My philosophy on tipping is if someone is doing an act of service. Mm-hmm and they're doing it well. Mm-hmm such as waiter, waitress, coming around filling up my coffee, bringing me my food. Mm-hmm explaining the orders or you know what they have available as beverages or whatever, mm-hmm, and being like friendly and patient, that is service, that is good service, mm-hmm, and I am happy to reward it with a special tip, you know.
Speaker 2:What's a special tip percentage?
Speaker 1:I here's my thing, and maybe my philosophy is challenged now and I'll change it but I either tip 20 or nothing. Mm-hmm, like either. The service is good enough for 20. For 20%, which is usually, I'm not really that particular. It's like right, you come by and fill up my drink, you do, you have patience and explain to me the you know. I don't even care if you have it memorized or not, I don't care if you literally pull out a piece of paper, like Specials today are like just the fact that you're willing to explain it to me and stuff and have good service. I Give them 20% if they do that and it's if they just like. If they never check on our table, if our food is cold and like I worked in the serving industry mm-hmm, the kitchen's usually not Kitchen's not usually half cooking food and bringing it out like and putting it lukewarm. Mm-hmm, food is cold because the waiter waitress didn't get to it on time to bring it out.
Speaker 2:I was a waiter, you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, like I Know, when I dropped the ball and I got out mediocre like like cold food to look a customer except for when they put the.
Speaker 2:If you're serving a whole table, sometimes the kitchen can screw you.
Speaker 1:They can when, like, they get something out real early and everything else is taking a while to cook, but at that point there's, I don't know, it's, it's, that's really rare. Yeah, I feel like that never really happened much. Even I'm like my six top tables. I feel like all the food was usually ready to go right then in there bussin. But also like Bar tenders, mm-hmm, I don't want to wait to order a drink, right, like I'm not gonna leave it a tip for anyone If I have to stand at that bar For five minutes before I even get your like, before you acknowledge I'm there. Yeah, like, dude, you're not getting any money, you're getting no tips. Mm-hmm, surprisingly like I, I don't think I've ever tipped a male bartender, ever, ever male bartenders have never Like come to, and I think it's because I just look like I don't know because of their service. Yeah, their service has been bad like male bartenders have never gone to me, at least as far as I can recall, in our, you know, college town here, They've never brought a drink to me and under like not even to brought a drink. They've never taken my order in under five minutes and I have like literally watched them. You know, just talking to Inflirting with girls. Hopefully you get a tip. I'm like dude, those girls don't have money. Those girls are here getting their drinks paid for mm-hmm, those girls aren't tipping you. Mm-hmm, I will give you tip if you just get me a fucking beer. But like I've, I've, like I actually know a couple bartenders by name who habitually Went out of the way when they like recognize me. I don't I don't know if they knew my name or anything like that, but I knew I was like I was at that bar last week or last weekend, whatever they knew my buddy maybe and they're like I will get you drink. We're really busy. What do you want? It might be a couple minutes before I get it out to you. I'm like thank you, that's tip of all. Yes, that's in, that's awesome. And then delivery I always tip a driver or delivery, but I only tip them in cash because I've noticed that if you don't tip enough, they go like like it depending on what tip you leave on all these apps and stuff. Yeah, that dictates like if anyone's gonna pick up your food.
Speaker 2:That's what, how quickly it's gonna get you, yeah, so here's some of my so. Total tangent, but I'm all here because here's, this is the real life application of the make and Pat show.
Speaker 1:This is the real life application of reservoir dogs is how do we tip in this country exactly?
Speaker 2:tipping fatigue and so the I'll start with where you're at and work my way backwards. So delivery Okay. In general, what I hate right now is when people ask for tips before the service is done. Yeah, it doesn't happen for me. Yes, but like you know what I mean, like it's like yeah, I feel like tip your driver.
Speaker 1:I'm like I will when he gets here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like when it's exactly and and I've seen that in even just Uh I wasn't somewhere the other day where it was same thing like do you want to tip for this? And I was like, well, the service hasn't been provided yet, you know, and I still did, or whatever. But the that one bugs me. Yeah, bar tenders, I tip. I Usually tip hard, right out the gate. If I'm gonna be there for a while, yeah. If I'm on a date and I want, or if I've got friends with me, mm-hmm, I throw the 10 or the 20 out right away. Yeah, and then you have their service for us tonight, yep. But if it's just so low, usually a tip, a buck, a drink, like if I order a beer for four dollars or if I order a twenty dollar.
Speaker 1:You know till or of whiskey, yeah.
Speaker 2:Dollar like that's like. It's just like a buck for your. You made a dollar for 60 seconds, that's if.
Speaker 1:I wish I was great return.
Speaker 2:I wish I was making 60 60 bucks an hour. 60 bucks an hour exactly.
Speaker 1:And how you do make 60 bucks an hour, according to your company's profits and the amount of time I spend on site.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not the amount of time I spend on Back office and other things, yeah, yeah, but the yeah, yeah, this is true, I wish. But so good money buck an hour and then For In general in the industry what gets. What bugs me is there are still hourly salaries based on tipping. Yeah, minimum way. So for me. I wish I knew like mr Pink said that's not my fault.
Speaker 1:All right, give me. Give me a, I'll vote for it. I'll sign a bill. That's not my fault, though, yeah, I shouldn't be required to pay the bill.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, but I just wish I knew. Like so, when I go to a restaurant, I know that that waitress makes you know less than minimum wage, because their wages based off of planned on getting tips, yeah. When I go to other places, even like a I mentioned Dutch Bros I think Dutch Bros Is like it's a set, it's like it's at least minimum wage, usually more per hour, yeah, and then you make tips on top of it or whatever places in general that have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, please, I wish I knew if that individual's salary was based off of getting tipped Mm-hmm, because then I'm more likely to tip, because I'm like you're making 475 an hour, I'm tipping bro, you know what made me actually stop going to one of the places locally I won't say the place on air, you know, but I Saw that there was an extra like eight bucks on a $40 bill. That was just like Not explained mandatory or 2D. COVID charge, whatever right. And like I asked him about like oh, that's the 20% that goes to the kitchen. Uh-huh, I was like the fuck, uh-huh, I know kitchen guys are getting paid a salary. Like I know they're gonna paid an hourly wage. Yeah, I remember in the kitchen when I was in high school, mm-hmm, I was making 12 bucks an hour, right, and Versus you know my seven, whatever an hour. We didn't get tips as waiters, so it was like seven bucks an hour or whatever right, and I was just like Whatever they're making now, I know, is more than that and it's more than minimum wage. The kitchen doesn't need 20% of my bill, right. And because they're getting that like I do not want to tip you another 20%. Yeah, like that's ridiculous. And so I stopped. I stopped going there. I was just like, wow, that's really shit. I wish I would have known about that before. And because I don't, and I like I told them. I was like that was what I was gonna tip and I don't really have, I wasn't, I'm not gonna spend another 10 bucks Just on a tip, because you guys already took 10 bucks as a tip, as a tip. And I was like, and they were like they try to explain it to me and I was like that's alright, I just won't be coming back. Yeah, and I know it's a couple other places do it and they, it's like you know Five to eight percent at these other places, which I'm like you know what I get it there's competition for you know, back back staff put it in the price on the menu. Yeah, incorporate into your price. I get what it is, but like you got it like incorporate into the price.
Speaker 2:Yeah, feel so dishonest. Yeah, cuz we got no repain on the front end when we say what we're getting do you?
Speaker 1:do you vary your percentage of tips for, like, waiters and waitresses? Because, like I said, I only do.
Speaker 2:It's either you're good enough for 20 or, yeah, you weren't good at all if it's like you know here's if it's like a work day, I'm swinging through a lunch spot that does tipping Mm-hmm. You know Especially. Here's another part. If it's a behind-the-counter job, I'm usually tipping 10%.
Speaker 1:I don't tip at all behind right, so I don't tip for McDonald's. Why would I tip?
Speaker 2:you yeah so, yeah. So if it's, if it's a behind-the-counter job, I should say sometimes I'll tip like 10% or Nothing.
Speaker 1:I might, if it's in front of the counter job. I'm pushing towards 20 and then, if there, be if they're behind the counter and they know the menu really well and if I say here's my test with them. Too is like man, I'm new here what do you recommend? And they don't recommend the most expensive item. What do they actually just recommend? Something they like Mm-hmm. I'm like that's worth it, I'll get.
Speaker 2:I'll give you like 5-10%, yeah and so and like, if that person, that person's running the whole shop, they're prepping, they're like they're doing the whole deal. Hmm and then if they're in front of the counter, 20% If it's an, if it's an evening out, if I want to date, usually I tip pretty good, like if you've.
Speaker 1:Have you ever done more than 20? I've never tip more than 20. These places are like 35% tip at you know? Yeah, chicken store number two I'm like I'm not dipping you 35% dog.
Speaker 2:I've hit a 50 to 100 on a couple times. 50 to 100% yeah, what it's not all the time. Here's the deal. It's like she was hot, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's. It's like On a date night we're going out or spending the money and this person Made it happen for us. I didn't wait a second for anything. We enjoyed ourselves, everything was full the whole time. You know, like 50% boom, like that I will like. Sometimes I'll go up in that range just to like, and I should say it's on the hundred percent. I'm not tipping a hundred percent on a hundred and twenty dollar dinner bill. Yeah, I'm just gonna hundred percent on like twenty dollar bill or yeah, yeah, like, sometimes like on, like a like, if I do a coffee or a beer and I'm there for like an hour or two, I'll tip them the full, like like I'll, I'll, it's a $8 bill, I'll bump it up, whatever. Yeah, I'll do that 50 to 100 on those. Sometimes if I'm, if I'm mooching their space for a long time, because also if you're sitting in a table, you're taking up their Opportunity. So I've in my mind I'm like, all right, I'm gonna, I get that, I'm gonna tip you Another tip because I took this seat for so long.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that's, that's that I did. I do have a philosophy in regards to like If I'm using coupons that essentially make my meal free, yep I'll, I will give like up to 50% a better tip to the tip.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got tip tip. Good on the coupon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but anyways long tangents. I'm a believer in mr Pink, though I'm a started or like. I've got such harsh tipping fatigue that like compared to probably what most people tip and what people are asking for, I'm a, I'm a snob dude. I don't tip like that. I can't remember the last time I left any tip for anyone behind the counter. You know like I'll, like I said, if they did a really good job explaining things to me they didn't try to like upsell me, they were just, you know, genuine and stuff like that then you know I'm like you're a 10%.
Speaker 2:Your boss, your business owner needs to work out the prices correctly and stick them on the menu sign and not put the burden on the consumer. Yeah, dude, which.
Speaker 1:And that's what you actually still do.
Speaker 2:We just don't know it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The thing is, though, I wouldn't go if they incorporate like imagine they Averaged out a 35% tip from the orders and adjusted the prices by that. I would stop going right, and I just think there's a lot of suckers, dude, I do. I love my wife, billy Jean, but Billy Jean's a sucker for the tip pressure if they raise they flip it to her and they're like oh, would you just, would you just click here please and like just a couple questions for you? And then they turn and look away and they hold it and Billy Jean's like I Don't want to hurt their feelings, I guess I'll give them something. I'm like honey, no, no, no, we give them nothing. We, we like, click other and then we type in zero Green check mark, because you know why, cuz it's, it's their fucking Wendy's dog, they're just by another name, dude. She's got a really good at it. Like you know, I've like backed her up and like it was weird, like it was like a karate kid moment. I remember she was like paying with the debit card, mm-hmm. And she swiped the debit card. They turn around and she looked at me and I looked at her like nodded, like mr Miyagi, and she sweep the leg. She like Like click, tell her, like type to the zero. And she looked at me again. I was no mercy. Oh, it break his leg, submit. You know. I was like it's. I remember she's like I just feel so bad. I'm like honey, they're not gonna even bring us our food. They're gonna yell our name and we're gonna walk up and get the food, mm-hmm. Like what are we tipping for? Mm-hmm, you know it's. I've been, I've been shocked to you at like the audacity of these delivery drivers, mm-hmm. I and I've just we've gone to the point where we're like We'll put it in the notes for the uber driver or whatever. We don't even do the ordering much anymore just because we're just like. It's pizza pizza drivers are still great about it. Pizza drivers are like, yeah, I'm gonna get a cash tip because I'm gonna get your pizza there in under 30 minutes. Right, but like crackhead Joe, who's you know, borrowing his car from someone else to do uber so he can get another Like you know dose of a spoonful of meth Coming up and he's like you know you should really give a tip beforehand so that way your food will get here quicker. And I'm just like my drinks not here. Man, I'm not giving you nothing now. Like like my food's cold, I'm missing a drink. Like the food is 40 minutes late. Like I'm not giving you anything, bro, I already ate. I thought my food was gone, you know, it's so like. It's one of those things where I'm pretty, I'm pretty harsh about it, like when it comes to like the delivery drivers to. Oh yeah, I mean, I give them, I give them anytime. A delivery driver just does their their bare minimum job. Mm-hmm, I give them a thing. Yeah, anytime stuff is missing from my food, like order, and it's there late and it's cold. I'm like dude, you shouldn't have accepted it, bro, it comes up on your phone to accept. You choose to accept it or not. Mm-hmm, if you know you're on a 60 minute circuit and you're not giving my food to me For an hour don't accept it. Yeah, you know, mmm. Anyways, all I said, I'm a mr Pink Stan and like mr Orange, he convinced me. Give me my dollar back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for real, oh man.
Speaker 1:Reservoir dogs. What are your thoughts, Pat?
Speaker 2:I think it's probably become canon in some ways to like just here's how you tell a story very Basic, bare bones, like there was. I think, it's memento before memento yeah, there's, there, is, there's, there was money put into it, but really not at all like as far as like, as far as the sets actually there's no like wild chase scenes, shoot them up, scenes like it's like a little bit right, but it's. It is not these long gun battles, you know, it's just a pop, pop, pop, squib, squib, squib. Okay, you know, that's it. Hide another cigarette. It's all dialogue there. There I'm saying I see this movie as really a playwright. It could be done on a stage, yeah, and it could be excellent, has been and it could be just as powerful on a stage as it is on film, and so that's where it's. I think it's done really well in that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you? What do you give it?
Speaker 2:I give it.
Speaker 1:I Think I'd give it two thumbs and give it a two thumbs, yeah it's an old dog and it's a sleeping dog and but damn it if it's not a good dog. Yeah, hey, by the way, you can catch Tarantino's reservoir dogs on stage in Chicago January 23rd 2024. Oh, wow, I Would, a hundred percent. I'm a big play guy nowadays, I've realized. I realized I enjoy watching people, like good stuff on the theater, you know, yep, but it's like it's a good way. It's Usually not more expensive than a movie, sometimes cheaper, and it's a you get impressed You're. I'm always impressed. Yeah, oh, my goodness, yeah, great form entertainment. Yeah, reservoir dogs for me, for Mick gonna get a, two thumbs. I thought I might have some rose color lenses watched at the other night with the first timer and he was like, dude, this movies incredible. I get why everybody talks about it like this is. I see, I can understand that it's older, it was made on a budget Mm-hmm. But I see how everything is copied this as source material in one way or another for like these bank heist movies and I was like it's good, it's good to have like a freshie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, giving me their opinion too long I work, so it's a 1.2 million dollar budget. Yeah, two years ago I worked on a film with a two million dollar budget and it was not as good. It was really not as good, say the least. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's like where the hell's this money go? Yeah, give me two million dollars, I will. I will make gold grow out of the ground. Yeah, so four thumbs from the make it pass show here. I guess some I got some trivia. I'm gonna go over real quick, just you know, for those of you who are still hanging around as we're wrapping up. And Then, pat, you can, you can hit some goose if you want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me let me hit these goose first, because they kid they're a little bit uninspiring, as much as the trivia might be so here's the deal. So Seeing where mr Pink's getting ran down by the three cops, there is a, it's funny because it's bouncing back and forth where mr Pink is like booking it and then the cops are running like a really slow pace.
Speaker 1:I don't know some of those times, all those cops are dead spring yeah but it's because they've the editing together.
Speaker 2:There was a scene where they shot them both sprinting full speed, and another scene where they shot them both like kind of Lolling and so they just the way they cut it together, though, was like you're never gonna catch that guy. Yeah, and there was a lot of that in this movie, a lot of like this gun switched hands and this cigarette got smoked 48 times. I mean like like there's. There's a lot of stuff in this movie, because, once again, I think it's like Tarantino focuses on other aspects more than Continuity, and continuity also has become such a stronger Critique point. Yeah recent years. And so when mr Blonde duck tapes Nash's mouth shut, he tapes over the bottom half of his ear that he's about to cut off and then it's down below it afterwards. That's a big one people pick up on. One that I picked up on the other night was when mr White, mr Pinker, having their conversation in the bathroom and they're washing their hands. Harvey Kiedel, mr White, they're doing this dialogue scene, one shot back and forth and he's lighting mr Pink's cigarette and he gets the lighter going and he gets Mr Pink's cigarette lit and then he goes to light his own cigarette but it doesn't light Mm-hmm. And he stands there and acts like it's lit and smokes it yeah, and even breeds out also thought of that but he does it like and it's not even lit, but he just rolls with it mm-hmm. And they kept it in the movie.
Speaker 1:I Also is so confused I had to Google it like can you snap your fingers to light a butane gas lighter?
Speaker 2:That's the way to do it if you're a gangster.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's true. I was just like, why not just roll your wheel, dude? But like you could legit like yeah, if you're.
Speaker 2:If you're a, I do need to get back in the Zippo game. Yeah, because you smoke so much. I need.
Speaker 1:You need the Zippo. For what crawl space? Yeah, yeah, you die, you know, like someone's house on fire yourself up the fumes down there, exactly, man.
Speaker 2:All right, so that's really all I've got for goofs. There's a whole list of stuff around A continuity errors and things but it doesn't really take away from the movie at all such nerdy shit, like when you're like wheeling chile.
Speaker 1:That gun has seven rounds, not eight. You know what I mean, which is also like how I mean that's. My biggest issue with movies is now magical bullets. Trivia though Madonna, who's, of course, the main topic of the opening conversation, where Quinn is saying the song like a virgin is about being railed so hard it feels like the first time. And Gosh, I always forget how it's so vulgar. That scene is so Flipping vulgar the first time you're always like, oh, I forgot it opens up so brutally vulgar.
Speaker 2:We're gonna do this movie right, so I turn it on. I'm like I gotta get this movie watched and so I turn. I turn on with my wife and she hadn't seen it before and she really wasn't ready to like sit down and watch a movie. It's like I just like turned it on and she's like, and we're just sitting there and he opens up with this like monologue. I'm just like yeah. I just turned it off and like it's like we watch something else. You know, I watch like modern family from the mass that I wouldn't watch it by myself later.
Speaker 1:But it is just like does he give you a?
Speaker 2:look. No, but it's just kind of like it was like. It's just it was like the middle of the day, like I was just going to watch half of it and then get back into it later.
Speaker 1:You know, it was just.
Speaker 2:Not the right, not, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Bro, also did we pick a name for your wife. We've not a nominate Mace Windu.
Speaker 2:Mace Windu yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:All right. I like it like Mace Wood is a good fit, don't you, I think?
Speaker 2:it's great, I'll remember it, old Macy.
Speaker 1:But anyways, madonna watches and she's disagreed with Quentin Tarantino's interpretation of the song like a version. She gave him a copy of her Erotica album signed to Quentin. It's not about Dick, it's about love, madonna. Which, from Madonna is like if I've seen anything in the last 10 years it's that Madonna's music is almost always about Dick.
Speaker 2:Uh huh yeah, it's labeled erotic. Erotica is not about love.
Speaker 1:Erotica is the opposite of love, erotica is pure sexual stimulation. Anyways, chris Penn's blood squibs excellent go off too early during the big scene, off scene and he falls to the floor. As a reaction from it, a lot of people believe there was an offscreen shot fired by Mr Pink.
Speaker 2:OK, I watched this 40 times last night. I crap you not.
Speaker 1:I kept clicking back and watching, because Mr White, mr White is a G bro Mr White goes boom. Oh, I know.
Speaker 2:I kept watching it and I was like what is going on?
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure the only person in that scene that fires two shots is Joe. Joe fires, hits orange, moves up, hits Mr White as he's getting hit, and then Mr White gets hit a second time from nice guy Eddie. Nice guy, Eddie just blows up. No he just blows up dude. But like a lot of people, I always wondered. As a kid I was like, oh, mr Pink shot him from underneath the ramp there, whatever Like I never thought twice about it.
Speaker 2:I literally watched it 40 times last night and I was slowing it down and I was like I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1:It was pretty sick, though right, it's a good scene.
Speaker 2:And if you just keep watching it, you just you're not.
Speaker 1:I was kind of sad Chris Penn wasn't in more stuff, like I just thought he was good and like in more movies, yeah, I really believed it. Like when he's saying stop pointing that gun at my daddy or at my dad whatever he said I was like that was delivered really well, like that was not cringy, it was very like felt like he meant it was real and dramatic. When Joe, played by Lawrence Tierney, mentions that Mr Blues dead, he says dead is Dillinger. Oh, lawrence Tierney played the lead of the film Dillinger, which was about John Dillinger, the infamous gangster. He was a leader of that film back in 1945. So nice little play there. Michael Madsen says that Kirk Baltz, who played a Nash, asked to ride in this trunk to experience what it was really like. Madsen agreed but decided as he went along that this time that this was time for his own character development. So he drove down a long alley with potholes and then a Taco Bell drive through before talking, taking bolts back to the parking lot and letting him out, which I feel like Of anyone. I would imagine those two had the like tightest relationship on set because that is like that seems to me like the most intimate like trust of like that's not a real razor, you're not really going to like break my teeth, but we got to sell it and like I got to imagine like the emotional roller coaster that you know Michael Madsen feels for like being this psychopath getting ready to light this dude on fire. You know I'm not going to miss that on an opportunity to torture a fucking pig.
Speaker 2:You know like it's just like one of those things is like.
Speaker 1:And then to like step out of that one, the camera cuts and it's like hey man, are you all right? Did I hit you a little too hard on that last one? I'm so sorry, dude. Like this is not me, this is not me. And then you know Michael Nash just being like no, this is awesome. Like keep it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the I thought that's how I read that to just being like I just wonder how hot it was and that pot Holy truck Mm, hmm but anyways, for those who stuck around after, you know we did our whole philosophy on tipping and our rating of the movie.
Speaker 1:Hope you enjoyed those little trivias and goose, as always. Um, Pat, you got anything you want to add before we sign off? I don't. Podcast is almost as long as the movie. It's all right. It's all right. The first, you know, 20 minutes are always beer. Um, hey, uh, Ken, thanks for sticking around. We love you, we appreciate you. Anyone who listens to the show, um, and you know, as kind human being, we consider you, Ken, consider your family, and we're thankful for you. So do us a favor share the podcast, leave a review. Um, we're really like we talk about. You know, in the last few episodes we're really making moves to push this into the next phase website. All that stuff, calendar, uh, dedicated series scheduled out and so, uh, all that you know from you guys, feedback and all that really does help a lot. So, uh, I think that's it, Pat. If there's nothing else, yeah, Until next time. Until next time.
