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From the vault a previously recorded Brews N' Reviews:
Ready to embark on an exhilarating journey? This episode of Brews and Reviews sails through the riveting twists and turns of Jolly Roger Black Ale, an Eddie Line specialty, and the fascinating phenomenon it's named after. As we traverse the alluring neighborhoods and scenic river parks of Buena Vista, we'll unravel the compelling tale behind Eddie Line's intriguing logo. The adventure doesn't end there; we'll navigate our way through the culture of the brewery, highlighting their commendable efforts to preserve nature.
As we pivot to a heartening chat about winter fishing and beer, we find ourselves in a friendly disagreement over the perfect pairing for Jolly Roger Black Ale. Let's not forget the charm of a 'lazy man’s quesadilla' after an exhausting day on the water. The plot thickens as we journey into the thrilling storyline of "The Terminal List", a gripping military thriller series penned by Jack Carr. Strap in as we follow James Reese, our undaunted protagonist, played by Chris Pratt, as he uncovers a trail of betrayal that leads to a devastating personal tragedy.
The climax builds as we delve into the critique of "The Terminal List", examining the pacing, plotting, and potential areas of improvement. We scrutinize the series’ weapon display, tactics and the unexpected humor beautifully woven into the narrative fabric. Join our lively speculation about the mastermind behind the shocking murders in James Reese's life. So grab a cold one, get comfortable, and join us on this riveting episode of Brews and Reviews, where tales of beers and thrillers intertwine!
We ride together we die together.
Speaker 2:Bad boys for life, get busy living.
Speaker 1:Fuck that busy diet. Gang first last. Please don't entertain. Oh, you're not entertained. Welcome to Brews and Reviews with Mick and Pat. I'm Mick and I'm Pat, and each week we sit down with you to pretend we're certified Cisarones and Cidophiles.
Speaker 2:That is right. So grab a cold one and join us as we review Eddie Line's Jolly Roger Black Ale and review the terminal list.
Speaker 1:And if you've been with us before, you know what time it is. Release the Kraken.
Speaker 2:I got it all over my microphone.
Speaker 1:So, uh well, Pat, I don't do many black ales, but it tastes like a. I don't know I was. I kind of think these always remind me a little bit of tea, like if beer had turned into a tea, but anyways, a thick tea, yeah, like a fizzy tea Eddie Line Brewed and Can by Eddie Line in Buena Vista, colorado. So they get a lot of big points there just for knowing where to set up shop. In a good ski town, fun out door town. Actually that's just a great place all year round. Skit town, yeah, easy drink and ale with roasted maltiness and smooth, crisp finish. You know what? I agree with that. I definitely taste the malty, but it's like I think a lot of people's only experience is with malt vinegar and so sometimes it's hard to tell what actually malty is. But yeah, I like that. It's a 5.6% comes in this one pint can, so it's already knows that you're setting up for a good time and an easy drinker. It's definitely like I don't know. I know someone's going to be upset out there, right, someone's going to be about hurt when I say this, but I think ales in general just taste like the aftertaste of vomit.
Speaker 2:And it's really hard to make that good.
Speaker 1:Like when I throw up and after I've done like going, I'm looking at the toilet and I stayed up and I flush it and then that flavor left in your mouth at that moment is what I think a lot of ales tastes like. In this one, it doesn't taste like that, it's pretty good, it's got it's got a good malty flavor and I do feel like it has like a roasty flavor to it. But what are your thoughts, pat? What kind of details can you give us on the brewery? There's a little background of them, yeah.
Speaker 2:And give me your thoughts. They are out of point of vista. Like you said, in Colorado and like many of these places, they started off as home brewers, so there was some home brewing going on.
Speaker 1:Original.
Speaker 2:Yep and says they originally became the the Sakura Springs Brewing Company and so that was in the late nineties and they grew and they changed their name to Eddie Line in point of vista and it's a cool brewery there. I've been there to their restaurant and to the little taphouse there as well, and there's a little spot in point of vista where the there's main street on in point of vista. That's where lots of the shops are and they have a new kind of development that's gone in over the last few years and they've built a river park and school little neighborhoods, the river parks, where you can kayak or you can you can surf in the park, and they have a little restaurant there where they serve good food and you can go down there. You can see the family who's lived in point of vista. So when we visit we we usually swing by Eddie line at some point and grab some food and grab a drink and it's a cool little town that over. I've been going to point of vista for like basically the last 30 years, my whole life and so traveling there in the summer. Even when I lived in Texas we'd go up there in the summers and it's been cool to watch the towns, the towns out of like a heavy rafting for rat presence for a long time, but now that it with like Santa paddle boarding and like a kayak river park stuff, they've really. They just have their own little niche. Cool community there of people who like to adventure. This can says beers for any adventure, which I think maybe that's that their slogan for their whole thing, cause if they're talking about this beer they're wrong. It's not for any adventure, this one, but maybe it's got a map to adventure. It's got a map on there. I like that. I like the. I like the logo on here. It's a little skull and crossbones. The crossbones are oars. So, like I said, it's been a big rafting town for a long time.
Speaker 1:So fun fact, you know, Eddie line is like on on a river. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I do, but tell us about it.
Speaker 1:Well, so, as you mentioned, Boyne, visser, big river town, because Arkansas River runs through the river and an Eddie line is the outline of an Eddie where it joins the main current. But then you're going to ask, well, what's in Eddie? Eddie's are almost always formed on the inside corner. Whenever it returns, a corner area where the downstream current meets, the Eddie is called an Eddie line. The Eddie line mixes the water flow in an unpredictable way. To cross the Eddie line requires effort. This is a river ride, a river Raph guide, but I think that's pretty cool Cause I mean, like I I think they have in Colorado, it's very culturally celebrated to recognize our rivers and our fresh water coming down from the mountains and especially for breweries to really kind of advertise the fact that they are good stewards of the river. They really encourage and enthusiastic about getting out and playing on the rivers or enjoying the water and also kind of taking care of environments. And I think that's just another thing of Eddie lines too is, I know, like they have like a very positive river culture around that brewery, which is always great. Man, if there's one thing I love, it's mixing beer and water, and a beer on the water is a great day. Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:The. You know. Whenever I've been, I used to have a drift boat, which is a river boat for fly fishing, and the. They're a lot heavier than rafts and mine was a lot heavier than a actual normal. Like modern drift boats are pretty light and mine was made out of just plywood and fiberglass and super heavy. I mean somebody's bought it from a guy who'd built it himself. Nice, so when you're fishing drift fishing you pull out and you ride the Eddie back up the river and then you can fish the fish, the Eddie line, and you can go up and down, up and down. But in my big heavy drift boat we couldn't even go back upstream in the in the Eddie. But it's cool watching guys who have watching raft guides work the water like that and the like you said. Any day on the water is good to just be out there. And whenever I'm fishing I'd rather be on a boat fishing, because if there's not biting you can crack a beer and hang out the. So this thing. I'm not sure if I'm a black ale man. I don't know if I've had any other black ales, is that? So yeah the, yeah, it's a Feels pretty heavy. It's it's a cold day and it's when it's cold I feel like it's a good. It's a good winter beer. Yeah, if it's hot outside I'm probably not drinking this thing now, this isn't like a Game day beer.
Speaker 1:This is not a mmm. Yeah, let's it's summertime and let's throw the pigskin around at the backyard and to just drink a nice heavy black. Yeah, this is a I Would honestly say a good winter beer. You know, like it's something you know what. Hey, maybe that's why it's a good river beer, because you're cold in the river and, let's be real, the rivers are never warm in Colorado anymore. Mm-hmm, and this is a good beer, I think, to have it's got. It's got a crisp flavor to it. I think that's what ales really specialize in, like they don't have a lingering hoppy taste. The flavor really just kind of punches the top of your tongue and just rolls off the back and it's a way, and I Think that's like a crispy flavor. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm, where it's just there quickly and then gone quickly. And, like I said, I think ales taste tend to taste like vomit. It's also why I hate porters. If you think you know the porter, that will change my opinion. Mail it into us. You can mail beer and we will drink it and I will trash it. Um, but yeah, this is a pretty good beer. I enjoy it. It's not gonna be an everyday beer for me, right, mm-hmm, but it is something that like let's think about something you'd eat with it. Like I could imagine myself having some grilled chicken breasts and what else Not taters, but like some grilled chicken breasts, maybe some sweet potatoes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you need something to balance it out. Yeah, cuz it's like, it's like I'm having drinking a black coffee. Yeah, on that maltiness. Yeah, the.
Speaker 1:It's, but I think it goes good with like a charcoaly flavor. When I'm thinking about like, I could easily see myself having this at like a Late lunch next to the river right and enjoying a nice fresh off the grill chicken breasts, a little bit of teriyaki sauce maybe.
Speaker 2:Teriyaki man I.
Speaker 1:I think it's good. I think it worked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, I'm. I can't do teriyaki, I don't know why. That's right, not me about teriyaki jerky. No dude, I can't any of it. It gets me like nauseous. I Don't know what it is. It's never been a fan, teriyaki teriyaki flavored stuff it's.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm also not a huge fan in proportion but the, I think, yeah, going with.
Speaker 2:You know, in winter I love when you just cook a thing of chili or stew all day and just in the house, like and Like when I was a kid, you come in from a snow day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know when you're kidding, you crack open a nice exactly.
Speaker 2:When you've been out in the cold all day and you come in to a, you got them the house, you know it's like smells like cornbread and like a good thing to stew.
Speaker 1:You just yeah it's just been like slowly filling up the house with its aroma all day in the crack pot. Yeah, like you saw your mom throwing stuff in the pot this morning and like bleary-eyed, you're like, oh, we haven't chili and then just as the day goes on, fills every room the smell of it and just gets you excited. I'm there with it. Yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 2:I'm bad at planning those things ahead, like good food that you have to let sit for a long time. I Always forget it. I'm hungry now, and so then I microwave a craft single on a tortilla. Yeah, would that be good with this?
Speaker 1:I Don't think you deserve good beer. I just had to play that back in my head. Craft single on a tortilla. Do you at least put another tortilla on top to roll it up to get like a melted?
Speaker 2:tortilla to to two craft singles. Fold the single tortilla over, melt it down. Yeah, a little little Dilla, little quesadilla. It's a lazy man's quesadilla, no doubt about that, but it gets the job done Bro it.
Speaker 1:It costs the same, possibly less, just to buy the shredded cheese at the, at the supermarket, the shredded Mexican cheese, I know.
Speaker 2:But this is just, it's just readily of when it's readily available. It's right there, pat, I answer.
Speaker 1:I'm upset with myself that I know you. I thought I thought I left all the people like you behind in my old college house.
Speaker 2:I'm at one like roaches, show up after thinking you're gone one time in college I remember like I'd been duck hunting that day and I get home and I just have, I'd got one duck and I had no food, I accept, except for I had some beans and no food, but I did have a whole duck. I did have a duck, but at the time too, I didn't know how to cook duck, right, oh, yeah, you're supposed to. It's kind of like the steak of poultry, right? Yeah, like, yeah. So if you cook a duck like you cook a chicken, it's gonna be so nasty. Yeah, the time I was like all scared of those is from the wild, it probably has, you know, diseases from the wilderness and so I'd cook the heck out of it. So I cooked that guy that, and then I cooked these beans. Hmm, that had this big bag of beans, yeah, but I also didn't know that, like, if you get a bag of dried beans, you have to soak them in water, for otherwise they're just like yeah one Sometimes poison to you. I know, so come. So I know I just I just try to cook beans in a pot like dried beans in a pot and some burnt ass duck and Old coffee. It was from that morning.
Speaker 1:Dude, what the hell, I know what. How old were you?
Speaker 2:22, 21.
Speaker 1:Lord too old so. I'm happy you're married man. I think you'd be dead. Yeah, I think we would have found you like a starved cat, just frozen in place Underneath the bed somewhere, just with a couple crafts. Anyways, let's think about this beer. Rating wise, it tastes good, I think of. Of the ales, I enjoy it. I'm pretty picky with ales because I just don't think there's a huge flavor range for them like there is for other types of beer. And so, with that, fully objectively admitting that this is not a beer I'm gonna drink most of the time, and a beer that I got, a drink if I'm cold and I want, you know, I want something kind of be crispy, maybe to make me feel numb to the cold, right, but I don't want to just start drinking. You know Moscow meals yet, because it's new, so I'd have one of these. Yeah, I'm gonna give it, and you know this is really gonna set the mood for the rest of the episode. I think I'm gonna give it one thumb up one thumb up, all right, hmm, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2:I like this beer, but I think I'm gonna. I'm giving it one thumb as well. So that's a two thumbs beer for the making.
Speaker 1:That sure, yep, yep two thumbs up out of a possible Four up or four down, yep, yep.
Speaker 2:So I'll give it a one thumb, but it's also, it's like a it's not gonna be a go-to, it's not gonna be one that I'm, it's one of those ones. If someone has it and offers it to me, I'll say sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's one of those things that, like, I'm not just gonna recommend, I'm not gonna ever be like oh you know what we should get, man? We should get some red eddy line black ale. Jolly roger, we should get some of that. Mm-hmm, I'm forget this beer tomorrow. Hmm, but it tastes good. I like it anyways. So, um, that's a good segue To the second half of the show, which I find will be the first time Pat and I really Disagree on something. This is true, and that is our review of Chris Pratt's the terminal list. Well, jack, what's his name? Jack car, jack cars originally authored terminal list, but Chris Pratt headlined it and produced it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He, he, he bought, he optioned the book from jack card to make it into him, uh, a cinematic feature. Yeah, so the uh, well, we picked. I picked this beer tonight because it's the jolly roger, it's got skull and crossbones on it and, uh, james Reese, the main character of the terminal list, kind of goes a little Off the rails. It was a navy seal, little piratey, but he kind of gets a little piratey. So that's, that's why I picked this, uh, this beer for tonight's show.
Speaker 1:I mean, I wouldn't even say I think he gets a little less piratey and a little more. How would you say, uh, treasony, yeah, yeah, but for good reasons. I guess I wouldn't ever say I wouldn't do it. But yeah, that's not, that's not my beef with the show. I have other beef with the show. But anyways, let's, uh, let's get into it and um, you know, uh, pat, if you want to give us a brief rundown description Of the show as a whole, seen as you're a little bit more familiar with the original author's work and stuff like that, give us some good context yeah.
Speaker 2:So, uh, the author, jack car, was an avc and he, he wrote the book, the terminal list, and Came out time of what year it came out. Was it 2017? It came out a little while ago, but not a long time ago and the the book got picked up by chris pratt and, interestingly enough, the Jack car had written the book with chris pratt in mind for playing James Reese. Oh, I didn't know that at all. Yeah, like when he, when he was, when he picked up a pin and started writing it, he was like in his mind, he's like I guess he, he picked up his laptop, but whatever, so he like started typing it out and in his mind, he's like I want he saw, he saw chris pratt as this character, james Reese. So, uh, basically, stories about a guy who is a navy seal and he, him and his whole team are betrayed by people higher up in higher up in the government and higher up in the military and they he, in the first episode, he his wife and daughter murdered, and so this kind of spoilers.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah. So there's another rule you should watch before you ever click on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yep, we're spoiling it up Plus, that's episode one anyway. So, yes, boom, they get capped by some assassins and that basically sends him on a spree finding what, what happened, why his whole team, his whole team, gets wiped out in the beginning of the show and he's the only one left alive. And he's also going through some mental, uh, brain issues throughout the whole show. You know, they kind of they're kind of pointing to some PTSD stuff. You know what's maybe going on here and showing flashbacks, and he has hoose nations and the. He ends up he has a brain tumor and so he's going but pat, what's the brain tumor from? Yeah, so he's not sure what the brain tumor is from and they end up that's the whole in the beginning of the show. He's not sure what's real and so he's not sure he's. He's sure that he was betrayed and something bad happened, but he's also having these hallucinations about what Um, about reality, and seeing, seeing guys who are dead and things like that, and so he's kind of not even sure what to believe himself. But he starts to uncover the truth and once his wife and daughter are killed, he kind of goes full ape sh** and writes a list down of People who need to be taken out, and he goes and uncovers caveman Scratches with a crayon on the back of his daughter's drawing yeah, kill secretary kill admiral Yep, and so he's. CIA. He uh him and a couple, uh, he has a couple old contacts, they who help him out and basically you know he Goes and lets him have it in a good old fashion. Just Get revenge story.
Speaker 1:No, but was it good? Was it old-fashioned, you know? Was it really a revenge story?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think the, um, the, I like the story. I wish I haven't read the terminal list. I plan to read it. I want to see what the differences are between the book and the show and all that and um. Also, you know, and you see, this show, the opening credits of all this, like all this gear and jack car, the authors a pretty big Gearhead, um, and I'm a pretty big gear slut myself, so I was a brand, whore, I'll own it. I enjoy like seeing all the cool names pop up in certain companies that I've also like, that I like to use for hunting and and and the you know it's showing his bows, his knives, weapons, all stuff, his little man cave and so I don't know. I think that this show I thought it was, I thought it was pretty well done and I liked the budget was high. The budget was high on the show, um, and I I'm excited for more to come, you know, but I'd like really, yeah, you want another servant of the terminal list.
Speaker 1:I want more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want more, I want, I want to just keep going. Do you have a tumor? Here's the deal. I like, I like In general, I like jack reacher characters, I like, like well we'll talk about that one too. I like jack ryan, like, and, uh, james reese, just another one of those guys, and so you know, growing up watching jack ryan movies with harrison ford, uh Then, I play them and then chris pine plays them and you know, this is like this recurring character, yeah, and so I do think I think james reese is like a good character, I think he has a good origin story and he just has it. I think it's a good basis for, you know, for these thriller novels and so Even with like things like jack ryan or reacher, you see the Um, depending on who grabs the character and makes a TV show or movie about it, they can be totally different.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I mean classic example, I think, is Jack Richard movies. Jack Richard show totally very different shows. Yeah, like I mean very different productions from one another. Right, even the character is perhaps vocabulary similar, but the way Tom Cruise says something and tries to deliver an intimidating line, versus the way I feel bad for not knowing his name. I was named a big, big man, big buff blonde, Jack Richard man big dude, who looked out for his QB and Blue Mountain State and is now the actor, and Jack Richard. The way they deliver dialogue is very different, even though it's similar dialogue.
Speaker 2:But all right, yes, so tell me about your, your. What do you think of it? What do you? What are? Where are you? Because what are the areas that you had take issue with? You know? Is it in?
Speaker 1:I don't want to I know it's a plotline storyline.
Speaker 2:Is it in the acting, is it in all of it? Is it in, like the, the mechanics, weapon handling stuff or special effects? You know, and like all the above, I hear here's the thing, pat.
Speaker 1:I'm perplexed.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:I'm perplexed at how much they fuck up because they had the actors, they had the money, they clearly had the on like on show, on production advisors. You know they were using sometimes some live ammunition for some scenes, some real like actual practical explosions rather than CGI, and I think the source material is probably good. Like I don't think this is in any way me trying to dig at what's his name, jack Carr. Jack Carr, I just get so mixed up and I don't want to say Jack Richard, jack Ryan, jack Carr, you know what I mean. I think the source material is pretty good. From what I know about Jack Carr and his audience and people who respect his writing, like I don't think he's just like a schlocky military fiction author, um, and I'm a big sucker for anything that really glorifies veterans, like I am even something that's like as dark and as depressing as jarhead Like that movie is. You know that's an honest representation of the way our veterans felt about being like deployed in the sandbox and even though it's depressing and sh** and it shows that there's no glory and really going over there as someone who's not serving, I'm like well, I hate you, you know. Like I just respect whoever went through that. Whether or not it ended up mean in anything is kind of beside the point for me as someone who just admires people who do hard things right. All that said, my wife summarized it really well because we have just finished season one of Jack Richard on Amazon Prime and we're talking with my buddy, jb, who was over, and we're trying to explain to him why neither of us really liked the terminal list and I just finished the final episode and my wife said it really well. She said Jack Reacher is an objectively worse show, had let like poorer effects, poorer dialogue, characters not nearly as well developed, storyline was weaker, but it was more entertaining. It was not as much as a slog as the terminal list and I think a big part of the reason why there's like the terminal list was a slog for us and most of the time I was just looking at my phone or I was, you know, just really struggling to stay engaged was because each episode seemed like it had a bare minimum that had to meet of being at least an hour long, excuse me, and they spent so much time with this guy having headaches and dude, I think. I think Chris Pat is a fine actor and is Chris Pratt, you know, going to be the next, I don't know, daniel Day-Lewis, daniel Day-Lewis probably not, right, marlon Brando probably not, but is he a good actor for what he does? And, you know, entertaining to watch for sure. But I can only watch so much of Chris Pratt going my head Where's my daughter and wife? My head, and I think there was three hours of that in the show. I think there was three hours of him having confused flashbacks, hallucinations from his tumor and having migraines and going through memories and dude, like it just got old really quick and like I think even in the last episode I was trying to count it on the play bar, I think there was still 10 minutes of flashback.
Speaker 2:You watched the bird hit the window 18 more times in that episode.
Speaker 1:He was so the amount of time he spent looking at that dead bird, yeah, you could have cut a whole episode out, and it was. I think it killed the pacing. I think it was like I know, like I would bet, I don't know, I would bet the intention of writing it that way and the portrayal was to show like, hey, he's going through a hard time, ptsd sucks, having a tumor sucks, and he's dying from this. But, spoiler alert, he doesn't die. He doesn't die. He gets shot, he gets stabbed, lives through some kind of jumping the shark, nuking the fridge moments and like at the end of it, I was just like these they totally want a second season and they should have just let it die. Let him die a good death.
Speaker 2:The uh, those flat, the flashbacks like. I think it served a really good purpose for the first two episodes when we weren't as an audience, you weren't sure if he was going crazy or if there was actually something like a mischievous, going on Like holy s***.
Speaker 1:If he did hallucinate that whole thing and just killed that the medical staff, right, right, when he's interrogating the was it Homeland, homeland NCIS? Oh, it was NCIS. Yeah, when he's in tearing that guy and like you're like dude, what if he just really snapped and is just straight up breaking and entering and assaulting and kidnapping a federal law enforcement official, yeah, and then they did use it too much.
Speaker 2:Like it worked at the beginning of one of the episodes. He's like walking with his daughter and then she's gone and like that's fine, like that's a good way to open up an episode where you know that like they're reminding you, hey, this guy's like struggling with reality and and these things, but then the bird hit in the window thing was so repetitive and so and the payoff wasn't worth it. There was no payoff to it. It just was like you, you understood it after the first like and even if, like, the bird had like even even as cheesy of a payoff as this, were like when he's all shot up and banged up and stabbed and he like makes it out alive, like if they just sewed the bird after all that time where it's obviously dead. they just saw it like twitch once or tweet to be like you know, like that, like as cheesy as that would have been, that would have been probably a better payoff for how much they used it. For how much they used it because there was no payoff for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I liked his speech with his daughter. I don't see why I needed the whole like dead bird thing because that speech I was like you know what that would come for me Like if I was a loved one who's at home and was afraid that my brother or father, mom, sister, whatever, son, daughter was going off to war. If my loved one gave me that kind of speech of like no, that I am doing what I want to do and I'm surrounded by people I love and people who love me, and that there is not a better way to die than to be in the midst of the people who deeply love you, will lay their lives down for you and you want to do the same. And like I think you know, as a family member maybe I'd feel a little like insignificant, like wow, don't you feel that way about me? But I haven't been a war with you, we haven't been in Foxhole together, right, and so all I said I thought that speech was good. I thought that should have came well before the final episode. I think the show should have been five episodes. Hot topic right, hot topic show should have been five episodes. I think the buildup was a little too long to reveal that he's not crazy. I think you could have had that all in one episode in the beginning and I think the I think it really slowed down because of the pacing of like giving 20 minutes an episode to the flashbacks. The whole fugitive episode. Get rid of it. Don't eat it, just have him get away. Have him kill horn and get away. We don't need the whole fugitive on the round episode because it really didn't work that well. Right, like it didn't really convince the FBI that he was a good guy, it just convinced them to not shoot him in the final episode.
Speaker 2:Which and not that great of a payoff.
Speaker 1:Anyways, that's true.
Speaker 2:And I do want to talk about the scene where they blew up a tiny hill and it turned into a whole cliff.
Speaker 1:This like tiny highway side hill on California.
Speaker 2:So the scene where he's, that he's running away from the FBI and that the SEAL team they have after him, all that stuff and there's a standoff on the hill. This is probably my like biggest main criticism of the production on it. It was. You know, they're standing on this like basically a soft sloping hill hillside and he blows it up and the all of a sudden like just the whole hillside gets taken down with it and it turns into this whole big mudsliding ends up down by the river. But that part that was for me, that was the only part production wise that pulled me out of the like the story in the in realistic little things, whatever. You know that like it was like and I wish they'd done that better. That was the only part that made you go.
Speaker 1:What the? What are they really? They want me to believe that Pretty much. I think so.
Speaker 2:Like and and there's like there's other little like little nitpicky things I'll see or whatever, but like that's the only one that was like glaring, like oh, I feel like I'm not watching a store anymore, gotcha, but I don't know. I do think that I did enjoy watching. I felt like the weapons, manipulation and mechanics and like tactics, like they're a good job. It's pretty good. I watched a lot for trigger control and like there are two things.
Speaker 1:I was watching this stuff. How many times do you flag your buddy with the barrel of your gun? How many times do you have your finger on the trigger when you shouldn't?
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I think they did a good job. I didn't see anything that was grievous. I think there was one time where it was the seal team or something like that Not in the beginning, because in the beginning of the show I was like I'm not in the beginning because in the beginning of the show that scene where they're going in most of those guys are actually like either retired seals or active duty seals, so they were really good with their firearms discipline. But I think it was the very rare. It was the FBI team and they like just had their guns at the back of each other's spines when they were stacking up on something and I was just like, oh boy, that would never fly. But anyways, I think for the most part they did a good job on that stuff. The Hill scene was kind of egregious though, but I kind of just was like maybe I just am not as familiar with California Hills.
Speaker 2:Maybe California Hills are just mostly loose dirt, as structurally sound as their political system.
Speaker 1:Geez, I was going to say the Hills have as much integrity as the power supply system in that whole state. Don't charge your electric cars, guys. Oh yeah, literally words out of Gavin Newsom's mouth.
Speaker 2:It's hilarious. Yeah, yes, I mean I think I I like this show for I like the character and I like his origin story and I like the whole idea. I think I like the overarching whole idea of having a new Jack Ryan type guy that I probably kind of like just overlook a lot of the things that most people see of like of watching the this show and how it's where it's shortcomings are, but the and I like also. I love Chris Pratt and I was, like, as here and some people criticize, like Chris Pat Pratt's acting role in it where basically he like people were saying he wasn't funny, like how Chris Pratt's normally supposed to be in this.
Speaker 1:I don't think he had much to work with and and I think like I think right.
Speaker 2:And on, like the comedic front, like I don't think it was like a show for for comedy.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, it's like it's a really sad, disappointing not disappointing, but very depressing show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when he kicks off with like losing your whole entire team and your wife and kid in the first episode yeah it's like you kind of know where things are headed in some way. I think I enjoyed it. And the the the last guy he takes out on the list, his buddy, ben man.
Speaker 1:Dude, that was okay. I have several things I got beef with, that being one of the biggest ones. I thought that was poorly done. I thought that was bad writing because that's not at all what is going on in the books apparently, and it's apparently way more egregiously like betrayed and like has betrayed James of the books, from what I understand. Like in the end, if that was you, Pat, I'd be like you didn't kill my life and kid and you know what You're reasoning for, helping orchestrate that. You know the death of all that death of the team. You know I can't say I would have done it differently.
Speaker 2:All right and like his. Basically he invested in a sketchy company that was supposed to cure PTSD. That was what he did initially. I don't think he invested, that's he was. He was one of the. So he was one of the investors. I thought of the company no, not investor, not investor but maybe he covered it up, maybe he used his, he invested, maybe not money, but he did something to to get that drug in those dudes. Yeah, and like I mean, like I'm not gonna earn a standpoint he was like this drug could help me, my bros with PTSD.
Speaker 1:I don't think that was him. I don't think. I think. I think what ended up happening is he got paid off to, as a CIA, use his network to orchestrate their deaths, and then he got paid the 20 mil that went to a shell company, so that way it wouldn't like it wouldn't be, no one would know it was him that got paid.
Speaker 2:Right, that's right. And then he got paid off before before like those guys got taken out because when they were making the medicine it was sketchy and it wasn't approved. And then I might be wrong here on that too, but the way I saw it was that he, like he was hoping he wanted them to have, you know, medicine for basically PTSD and then it all went bad. And then he knew about, but he didn't know about it. From then on, like he knew that he did know that it was because of this group that that whole team got wiped out and that his like no, he orchestrated it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, really yeah. And the end, his confession. In the end he confesses to pretty much working with the Admiral to orchestrate the death of all those seals. Cause he said the Admiral told me you were dead men walking, that all of you had tumors so developed that they're that you were going to die in a hospital bed and just waste away. And he and he said to James. He says I thought it'd be better that you all die with your boots on together, you know as a brotherhood, rather than dying in that hospital bed. And then, like you can see in James's eyes, james says did you, is that really why you did it? Or did you do it for the $20 million that paid you? And and he's like maybe both you know, but I haven't spent. I haven't spent a dime of that money because I can't. I feel so guilty of sin about what happened with Lucy and Lauren, and so I'm not saying that he didn't invest or something, in the company, but I do remember him straight up like confessing like I had. I had no idea what they did to Lucy and Lauren. That's why I helped you. Kill all these people was cause I had no idea they'd like let them be collateral and cover up right. As well as you know, I feel guilty about orchestrating the the hit.
Speaker 2:So I think you're right. You're right, it's been a minute since I watched that pretty. But yeah, that you're uh.
Speaker 1:I did watch last episode tonight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you're, you're on it then, but the like that in that scene, like in my mind, they're out on this boat and I'm just like you're like, oh yeah, just show him mercy and then go like he's your last buddy bro, he's your last buddy and go save the world together. Yeah, but then he smoked him and so, yeah, I think uh he shoots him and then he does.
Speaker 1:He just starts driving his boat with his dead buddy's body in the bay, in the bowels of the ship. So I'm like this is dumb, like that ending I was very much like he should have just died, like it should have just been Chris died. I mean I, chris Pratt, james Reese, right, like I don't think they should have let him live, bro, they don't ever comment anything about his tumor going away.
Speaker 2:Right. I don't know how that plays out in like the future books, because there's like six, five or six books now, terminal list books. Yeah, so the first book is turn. How long does the f**k list get? So the first, he threw the paper away. So the first book is terminal list and then there's other ones, uh, um, different titles from there, and so the terminal list is just that, the first book Okay, name of the first book and the. Yeah, I had wished they'd made Taylor Kitch's character to be Be more hateable in the end, because that for me, could never hate Taylor Kitch, I know, dude.
Speaker 1:Friday night lights, yeah, Texas forever exactly dude and Mikey.
Speaker 2:Mike Murphy and exactly on survivor.
Speaker 1:He, he crushed it, dude, and he's one of those like rare actors that has gone and done the actual Bud's course.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Like in preparation for like to. You're waiting for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah and yeah, so that's a. That was just because I like the hip so much I was like it bummed me out and hate Taylor Kitch dude. And in the books they, basically they, they kind of force, force James Reese's hand a little more and like you know, and so I feel like that's where One another critique of this would be in the story arc where, towards the end, all of a sudden they kill off Horned Steve Horn. What's the? The?
Speaker 1:big horn. They didn't kill him off towards the end.
Speaker 2:I don't like when shows do like where he's the biggest bad guy and then they kill off. They kill him off in the beginning and there's not really a more hateable bad guy. Yeah, and so the you know. It turns out to be the senator or congresswoman, and then his buddy Ben. And then Sam roll in the right now. Well, those guys. But like, basically for me, as far as like how much you hate certain characters, it peaked in like episode three and then it yeah, as it went, he just had like get to the bottom of it and they didn't like make those people more Hated and maybe that's part of like the. The storytelling was supposed to be kind of nihilist where it's like by the end it was like it was three bad people, like it was James Reese, the senator and Ben, who were all bad people. They weren't bad people, they weren't good people, they're just people operating in there. What they thought was right. Yeah, and so that kind of that nihilist like a thing of like nothing matters, nothing's right or wrong, I mean the senator very much, never.
Speaker 1:I think I don't think her intentions were ever to make money right, I don't think her and I think it was really. I think they did a good job of making it very clear like she had the best intentions and still totally like Dead, a bad thing. You know, she, she kind of is like the epitome of the now, like of the moral dilemma of the train on the tracks is gonna run over one person or five people. So Do you which? Who do you doom to the fate? right in her idea of like well, we'll test it out on these 14 seals and doom them To, you know, being lab rats, in hopes that we save, you know, tens of thousands of Special forces troops down the line, and I was like you know, I get it. I feel like that's a realistic thing and that you know they did a good job making her not a villain but just a misguided person with good intentions.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Yeah, basically it's like, and when she went wrong was she didn't get out or speak up once it got too far and I guess.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing. I think I missed it. Who was the one that was really the person who made the decision to kill Lucy and Lauren? Was that? I don't think that was ever clarified of. If, was it the command staff? Was it this senator? Was it Ben? I mean it wasn't.
Speaker 2:We know it was. It. Was it the NCIS guy at the beginning with working with the cartel? Yeah, and like it was like the company.
Speaker 1:I mean, we know the cartel guys were the triggermen, right, we know they were the hitters, but who really was the one who decided like, oh, we got to kill his family too? I don't remember it ever specifying who was the person to really make that call Right?
Speaker 2:um, I think it came from Steve Horan, or you know his probably a prior like them, trying to See what they were trying to like discredit. They couldn't kill James Reese at that point, so they just had to, like Make it see, but you had to Put him up, you know, basically make it seem like he killed his wife and kid.
Speaker 1:But psychotic and maybe killed himself or whatever else, and so yeah, anyways, I a couple, a couple other things I got beef with and what you're paying on, because I really just like it's coming. Dude, I did not like the show right. Um, I think the action scenes weren't brutal enough. Like I think jack reacher was more Like, had more brutality in it in like the scenes of violence or the aftermath of violence. And dude, like I get, like you know, he has that moment where he pulls out the intestines and tax him up on the wall. It tells the guy to walk. Dude, not brutal enough, man, not real enough for the cartel guy who just killed your wife and kid, like I thought we were gonna see him start just like Chopping them to pieces.
Speaker 2:Not very far a patriot. After his son gets killed, he's just hatcheting in the river.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I thought we were just gonna see him start doing stuff like that and like I don't. I think. I think the Steve Horan thing was a big misstep. I thought they were really sending up for a super easy cool um Skill like earned skill versus Chemically induced ability, because in the beginning, where, like, we get these drops of like subtle clues of like Steve Horan is this big wig who's running through a shoot house with a bunch of other military guys. He's clearly practicing. He's upset that his, his splits aren't as good on his uh, you know, is uh, what is that called? Mogadishu? Uh, like practices, and so there's a there's definitely, I think, like an undertone of like he's chemically enhancing himself to like Become as good as these people who have spent a whole lifetime, um, practicing these skills. And I really wanted it to end I, the thing I wanted more than anything else was Like massive upper floor office shootout of Steve Horan just Jabbing his needles in and giving himself whatever chemical that he's doing to like help him like be Superly, like hyper focused and where, essentially, just giving him like same amounts of testosterone and adorab Whatever that would have been, and just to like have a comparison of like his super chemically induced quick reflexes, roided out muscles and you know this overconfidence ego of like I I didn't list, but like I'm just as good, right, and then like chris pratt's character over just like refined, honed, lifetime build-up of skills, but to see them go at it and kind of like egg one another, like off, until like they pretty much like you know, uh, james reese kills Steve horn, and like a pretty cool, intense way. Right, I thought it was, you know, don't get me wrong. I kind of had a cathartic release when he just was screaming on the stairs like you know, Steve Warren is just begging for mercy and then he kills him. Um, but I just thought there was going to be a little bit more. Like you said, build up. But you know, they kind of they killed off the most hated guy too early and then for the rest of you were like what's this, what's this going to be?
Speaker 2:Where's this going from here? Is there going to be a new bad guy, a bigger bad guy?
Speaker 1:the fbi guy Care nothing for his character. He was so undimensional with his Like always kind of furrowed brow angry expressions. Did I any know? That might have been a dialogue thing, whatever, but they introduced them too late in the show. It's like after episode five or six, and or it's maybe it is episode five, but you're just like geez dude, like Do we care, like really, do we, like we get you have an idea of what justice is and james reese is out of line Too late too, late to be introduced into the game. Um, I don't know, man, it just seems like you could cut that out, the whole fbi, like making like the fbi a character and get a personality and like the whole man, I think could have been cut out. A lot of the flashbacks could have been cut out and I really think, like episode one ends with the reporter katie Realizing he's telling the truth because he gets attacked by the actual real life assassin. And like episode one is the only episode where we're like is it real, is it fake? Is this all in his head? Is he really being hunted or do they really kill his family? Did he kill his wife and kid? And then episode one ends with like oh no, it's real, right. Episode two is getting like going after the big intel guys and I think episode two should have just been dealing with the naval command staff getting them all out in like one episode. Uh, episode three take out the cartel. Episode four Realize the senator and horn are in on it, confront senator on it. She offs herself with regret but she helps him get like some intel or like Some teams herself a little. Yeah, I didn't get to horn climax as he finishes off horn. But but then ben is like confessing to him as he's dying of, like you know, his brain tumor or something on a sailboat. And ben's like dude, I was a part of it, man, I I killed you and all the boys over the sandbox and I did it because I thought it was gonna be best. And then chris pratt's character, james reave, just giving a Sweet moment of forgiveness like dude, I knew, I knew, I knew the whole time that you did it and I forgave you because I knew what, like, your intentions were in the heart. And I can't say I would have done something different and like, like, just that modicum of like Especially forgave you because you get helped me get vengeance for my wife and kid those whole time. Right, and I couldn't have done it without you. But like, I just think that could have been a really nice tight five hours, five episodes, and just would have been like a lot of action, a lot of like whoa, what's going on? Oh, wow, whiplash, cool, this is crazy. And like something you'd want to sit down to watch again every year, right, like, oh, it's christmas time, I'm gonna throw up terminal list this year and watch it with the boys, or whatever my kids and dude, now Be honest, I'll be honest, bet and gets a big stinker for me dude, yeah, yeah, they can.
Speaker 2:That just could tighten up those things and uh, and it's you know I, when you're putting books to film.
Speaker 1:One. I don't think you should ever write a book With the intentions of it being a film, right, I think it should. Just you should write it in hopes of writing a good book. When you said that, I was like talking about red flag, yeah, and so like the uh.
Speaker 2:But then whenever you do try to take a book that takes you like Minimum 12 hours to read, yeah, like, and putting that into a movie is so hard. I do like that they've started to do those into miniseries because it like lets it unfold a little better. Yeah, but it's still not quite there on the like Character development for all the people and like, like the FBI guy or these certain people who it's like you might just have to nix some of those for, you know, for the sake of film.
Speaker 1:Yeah and like because I mean you might think like, oh man, they cut out this character. I really love their arc, even though they were side character in the book. I really liked being in their mind and their head place and kind of how they were struggling with something. I mean, that's still not going to make it into the show or the movie like. The last time I saw them do that well with the side character was um Sean Bean's character in Lord of the Rings oh yeah, what's his name? Help me out.
Speaker 2:Not Elrond, no, no, I'm just thinking of him in Game of Thrones, but he's a Boromir.
Speaker 1:Boromir yeah, lude, like I saw Boromir in the movies and I was like, damn bro, they did a great job of like telling Boromir's whole arc in one movie and I feel like I got all the pleasure of seeing Boromir go and redeem himself and like struggle through everything. But I think with like something like this, most material, most media, it's just best to mostly cut those guys out or cut down their screen time a lot to the point where it's like they're just a they really are just a side character that we're not going to spend more than maybe a collective 30 minutes through the series with and this like the FBI investigator.
Speaker 2:He might be like the Javier, the like Like no job air from my miss the uh, anyways, the uh, the guy who's just basically like a hundred percent justice bend in a lot of ways. Yeah but then but Javier Jean Baljean and Les Mis, they just like parallel each other throughout all time. You know. So like the FBI guy, might you know? He might be a guy who's just like in All the the jack car books. She's just kind of always like, but like he's just always chasing him.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know what you mean. Yeah, chasing him down, and so we're in the world was Carmen, san Diego and so?
Speaker 2:but they could have Either chosen to develop him more, so it was worth it to put him in here, or really just If they, if they're gonna bring him back in future Like shows or future books, don't give him as big of a part, but just easter egg him in there yeah, you know what I mean and then develop him appropriately later on. So, yeah, I think that For me, I I.
Speaker 1:Know, I know it's hard to say these things no, because I like it.
Speaker 2:I liked the show, um, and I want them to make more of them, and when they do, I hope they get improved on Certain areas too, because I do. I feel like I did appreciate there was like. Also, there was a lack of Like, wokeness and certain other things in this show. It was just like, yeah, like, like that, I did like we wasn't like politics at all, though really I don't. I don't feel like it was Conservative to say either, right, yeah it was just, it was just, yeah, it was just how it's supposed to be in my like just, it's just a good story, you know, even though it was about politics and big business and military, and they just, yeah, kept it as telling a good story.
Speaker 1:So I think that there's potential for more of them From my, from my side, but I think that would you really want to see him continue on like, and they just deus x the tumor, like, would you, did you?
Speaker 2:Do you feel?
Speaker 1:like that's a good ending to the story.
Speaker 2:If, if it wasn't a series, then yes, you know like, if it wasn't like Speaking from outside of this one season of show all the way up to just like the james reese character that jack car has made, like I would like to see, I like I hope that someday, when I'm like Like 55 and like it hasn't been touched for a long time, there's like a big like james reese movie coming out. It's just like you know, I Like, just like whenever I see that a Jack Ryan movies coming out, I'm like, oh sweet, I want to go see that. And and sometimes they are let down, stupid. Other times it's just like I'd like. I like characters who just kind of Continue, exist and do their thing like the ultimate one would be bond. Yeah, you know, there's been so many iterations of that and so many different versions of it and there's been some really stinkers of movies and and some, some of the greatest movies, some real stinkers and then some just like. But so taking like bond, for instance, like taking one Pulling out from Single movies or shows all the way up to like the who is bond or who is Sherlock Holmes or who is that, and like, yeah, I'd like to see James Reese just develop as a, as a thing not me.
Speaker 1:So I think I think I mean I get, I respect that. I Just think like it's so rare to just have characters with definitive endings and like accept a good story arc that has a conclusion and like I just don't think there's ever gonna be something that I'm really Okay with of like the way they, deus acts the tumor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like he. How to get rid of? Yeah, it's some.
Speaker 1:Some miracle drug or whatever point of like episode three or whatever or whichever point, like when he really gets to the cartel, is in Mexico and gets seen by Mexican. He's a dead man. Yeah, the Mexican doctors like we can deal with this now and you might still like be able to recover and have the semblance of a life with the best like doctors in Mexico mm-hmm or You're gonna be dead, like you're gonna die, like it's definitive. You know it's a softball in your brain and he, like, I feel like it's such a cop out of that weight, of that choice of like. Do I choose To get vengeance and accept that I will die a very painful sickly death probably, or die at the end of a gun, or Do I get the medical care I need and possibly lose my opportunity to really seize the chance to give vengeance for my wife and my kid and my team? And the choice to accept death, I Think, should be rewarded with a good to death you know, and so all I said. I'm gonna be honest with you. I Wish it'd just be one of done. Here's the thing. I Would recommend someone watch Jack reach your Amazon series before this one.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And I wouldn't recommend someone watch the Jack reach your Amazon series. And I'm usually someone who's really kind of how about these shows? But both of these just have been kind of, I think, when it comes to writing and pacing, just stinkers for me and With that I Would give the show. I would give the terminalists season one One. Oh no, my first thumb down. It's thumb down. I didn't give Morbius a thumb down, I think. I think I just was like Let it live, let it be it's nothing. No thumbs up. No thumbs down, just a neutral thing. I think I'm so upset about the time invested in this that by the end of it, I'm a bitter, resentful man.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I'm giving it a one thumbs down. The same way I feel about Jack, reach your season one. One thumbs down on that one. We'll do maybe a review of that spoiler alert. Yeah, mick didn't like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that one started off strong and then just went downhill.
Speaker 1:I thought, I think, like if this show that's the problem with this show the first three episodes are so good and would hook anyone. My wife and I were both like my wife doesn't like a lot of the military action stuff usually and she was like, oh, this is cool, this is good, this is refreshing. Yeah and it just doesn't fulfill on that like initial hook, I think yeah, yeah. You're saying yeah, but I feel like you disagree.
Speaker 2:No, I think that like that's where I think I'm still on the initial hook. Oh really meaning, like meaning. That's where my hope is, for I'm just like man. This could have been, or could be a good thing, you know. But yeah, for this one, I'm giving it one thumb up. I liked it, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 2:I like to like to sit and watch it, not giving it to not gonna to. I think someday the James Reese character could be a Big old deal. Yeah, I have some good, good movies or shows, but out there from it. But yeah, I'm giving it one thumbs up. So that gives this one.
Speaker 1:It's this one kind of six, this one at it at a zero-thumber Overall yeah, averages out to zero-thumber, it gets technically zero thumbs at the make and pass show. Zero thumbs up, zero thumbs down. Really, though, it's a one thumb down and a one thumb up. So I think, to be fair, there's gonna people who love it, there's people who are just gonna turn it on and consume, consume it for the action scenes, and then they're gonna scroll through their phone whenever there's not gunfight and they're gonna think it's the grass, like they're gonna think it's the best thing since sliced bread. Mm-hmm and I think there's a lot of people who are gonna turn on expecting like a really cool military revenge plot drama Focusing on what it's like to be a soldier home from war and be alone, and PTSD. I think they're gonna be disappointed, mm-hmm, you know. So I said we still, we still should honor the terminalists with a little bit of trivia and goofs.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And so, with that, a couple fun facts for y'all from Pat and I. I think this one was my favorite that I read in episode 3, when everything is made aware that this is in his head, there are actually people out to kill him, to cover up a secret plot. In episode 3, the hitman that comes after Reese at the restaurant is played by the author, jack Carr, who wrote the book series the show is based on. And you know what, jack Carr From? Mick the man with the beard, you got a hell of a good beard and you look good in those, those sunglasses with that beard, bro. I immediately saw the portrayal of that assassin and just him getting a lit up in the car, right peppered up Mm-hmm. I was like that's a good beard. That guy is getting shot to hell. That is a good looking beard.
Speaker 2:You got a nice, nice beard going on. Yeah, I thought that was cool to a Like, if I ever wrote anything I'd be. I Wouldn't want to star in it, but I definitely know I have some sort of yeah some sort of like you know. The some sort of scene in there or whatever you know I'd be to have some fun, and so they Think that was cool for him to do that and the. There's a pretty intense scene where she gets a gun down right in the middle of the.
Speaker 1:I like to, because it was practical effects. Mm-hmm. I don't know if the muzzle flashes were real from blanks. I don't think they were. I think they're a CG, but the blood effects to me look real. They looked like they had squibs that. Oh yeah, jack car, you know, hits the trigger in his hand, mm-hmm, and then they go pop up and they actually look like real blood. Mm-hmm, and I did. I'm just a sucker for that stuff, dude. I'm. What can I say? I grew up on hardcore, like 80s, 90s action films where the slow motion was muzzle, flash, shell ejecting practical effects, all these hidden firecrackers, squibs, mm-hmm popping off, the bullet impacts on concrete and soda bottles and the one guy just shoulder Rolling as the blood pops out of his chest right with a little smoke powder charges. And I love that stuff, dude, I. That stuff makes me feel so nostalgic when it's still in stuff today, because it's so rare. Nowadays everything is cheaper to do CG, yep. So that was a great scene. Jack Loved it. You should, you should cameo more.
Speaker 2:He's the. Uh, I think that. Yeah, you know like how Tarantino kind of always like sometimes he plays bigger roles, but sometimes he was you kind of usually just gets killed. He just gets in there and gets killed.
Speaker 1:There's four dogs. He gets killed, mm-hmm. Jago and chain. He gets blown up holding a box of dynamite.
Speaker 2:This is I would. I would love to be that guy. It was like you know, we're just like Eric. All right, the actor doesn't speak it.
Speaker 1:He was an excuse to act like an a**hole right. You just write the most a**hole character and you just get to act like an a**hole for a day on set. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yep, I think that'd be. I think that'd be the blast, that'd be like the fight. There's no pressure. It's like you know, like for Jack Carr is just like all right, walk like you are a former Operator, jack. Jack Carr, he's an ABCL. Yeah, he is for 20 something, 30 years. Whatever. So yeah, so it's like just do that and then get into a gunfight and then get shot and then drive. Yeah, like great, sounds like so much fun.
Speaker 1:Imagine Jack Carr telling like they're like all right, Jack, the Scripps are gonna go off and this is the way a body looks when it's getting shot. And Jack Carr should be like I know what a body looks like when it's shot, don't worry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no kidding, oh man. The yeah so, and I mentioned this earlier but the you know, jack wrote the character James Reese with Chris Pratt in mind. But then Chris Pratt was given the book by one of Jack Carr's buddies and and maybe seal buddy, yeah and Chris called Jack and I was like I want to option this, I want to buy it. And then in that point, like I think I don't think Jack had pursued Chris, it was like romantic. So yeah, it's like he like thought about it, he's like I'd love for Chris Pratt to like play this role if it ever becomes anything. He's like you know, and then it comes all the way around. Or Chris Pratt, and he was like hey, I want this. I think it's pretty cool. The I like to hunt and in the opening scenes he shows his bow and some of his hunting gear and stuff and the. There's also a picture in the intro every time of a guy hunting with a stag, with a cross and his antlers, and so that is St Hubert. And the story behind that painting is he is he'sa patron saint of hunters because one day he he lived in like the 700s or whatever, long time ago, but hard time. Yeah, no kidding so, but he went out hunting instead of going to church, and when he was out and about he ran into a stag and the stag had a crucifix in between its antlers, like floating there.
Speaker 1:And so then, at that point he wait, he's claiming the crucifix just was floating above. The stag said between his antlers, or is like stuck in the antlers.
Speaker 2:No, like the way it's told or always depicted is like it was divine. Oh so he crucifix in between antlers and he like felt guilty about like being out hunting instead of being at church. And so he, I think he like had been married, but his wife he had been married, his wife died. He went hunting when he wasn't supposed to saw the crucifix when became like a priest and then now he's like the patron saint of hunters and and also, and with that also like the and Catholic tradition, and also for hunters, they also acknowledge like conservation, taking care of land and animals, and how you approach hunting, how you approach killing an animal, taking a life, and those things are all like under like a saint you. But there's some guys who, like, every time they hunt, they like especially very Catholic dude, like you're like toss up a prayer to Saint Hubert.
Speaker 1:Yeah, head out there and see what happens don't fact check us on anus because neither of us are Catholic, so this is true we have Catholic buddies, catholic friends, mm-hmm. But I'll be honest my saint understanding of knowledge is real weak and. I'm not a big believer in this saint saint stuff anyways, so I just can't ever claim to know what I'm talking about when I am giving details on it. But that's pretty cool and that was where it was above his weapon rack or a safe, and the show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I was fancy? I had to basically a picture of Saint Hubert in there, but so well.
Speaker 1:I do know that they also mentioned another saint later on in the show, st Jenkins. St Leroy Jenkins actually he's not a saint. Leroy Jenkins was, to the best we know, a character in the World of Warcraft meme sphere. If you guys haven't seen that video then you're missing out on classic internet history. But in a scene of the show Reese plays that soundboy, leroy Jenkins, off of his phone and he plays it so loud off the phone that it startles the hostage rescue team who's pursuing him in the wilderness. They turn and it gives him a moment to ambush them out of a have a trap of pine needles that he's laid over himself, deploy a flash spraying or smoke grenade and then just kind of take some gear off of them. Doesn't kill any of them, just snag some gear off of them. But here's the cool thing about that is that Leroy Jenkins was so popular back in the days. I mean you guys gotta remember like this stuff came out like 2006 on YouTube or 2007 on YouTube and now. So meme culture wasn't around.
Speaker 2:It was just like whatever actually was funny just became popular, right like it was not a way to share it, it was on an email attachment yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:There weren't even gifts. Dog, you know how hard it was to get a gift sent on your phone, like it was a nightmare. No one could figure out how to send a gift on your flip phone, your Nokia flip. But Leroy Jenkins became a sensation. Everyone would shout it before they did anything. They would shout Leroy Jenkins before they sent a kind of stressful email to their boss. They'd say it before they kicked in the door to a bathroom stall to go drop a deuce. It was just super funny culture and guess what? Of course that you know made its way into the military realm and it's a big thing among SEALs and special forces and at the height of the meme they would be using it in in their training where they would joke when they're going in to do like house clearings and doing like drills, they would shout Leroy Jenkins before kicking in doors and running in and doing gun runs through like a shoot house. And so Jack Carr always wanted to kind of have a reference of that meme because you know he was in the teams when that was at its height. You know he was probably actually, if we're, if he was in for like 30 years. He was probably training SEALs at that point, when it was at its height, and quoting it out to him. So, yeah, he made sure to have that in the book and like made sure that that was actually something that was in them in the show. And it was probably, in my opinion, one of the only comedic relief moments in the show which was fine and enjoyed and I, as someone who grew up during the internet, that time I thought it was hilarious and they used it in training.
Speaker 2:So also like I would bet a lot of money that an al-Qaeda member or Mujahideen has died having that those are the last words the last words they ever heard. So it's like I mean, I'm, you know how you train is how you go in and also you know, it's like they're running in there, just yeah, it's like. It's like that scene and the other guys, when Wolfaryl just yells America and stomps on the pedal of his car, oh yeah, like did you just yell America? I don't know. Yeah, some somebody out there yelled Leroy Jenkins when they headed in.
Speaker 1:I'm sure we got the same reaction from the team leaders as it did in that original video, because most people don't know the context. But the dude is not present. You know he left his computer to go make some mac and cheese or go to the bathroom while everyone else on voice chat is making this elaborate plan to go and storm this room full of I don't know like dragons or something, and he just gets back to his computer without having listened to playing and just says Trump's up, let's do this, and Jenkins, and kicks in the door and ones in and everyone else in the team's like oh, oh, I guess we're going in and like I just imagine they did all die so hopefully it actually happened in real life for any of our special forces, right, that'd be so dark and morbid, but I do imagine that someone out there Ranger, seal, beret, whoever you know, delta, whatever they're called now, delta changes names every freaking year, but I can't imagine. Someone said what you write, jenkins, and every other team member was like are you for real, take me in? And anyways. I just thought that was really cool. But that's my favorite little tidbit trivia from the show. Yeah, so you guys got our summary of the show, summary of our beer controversial beer and show this week. I'll be honest, no hate. I very much respect the practice and tradition that goes into making these things, whether it be craft beer or a limited-run TV show, whatever may be. Respect to all those people who put in the hard work, but I don't think you can have a lot of. I don't think things can be made better without constructive criticism. That's why I hope we're never here just to just to get on someone's parade in their hard work, like I always want to acknowledge. You know the amount of effort that goes into producing these things, but the end of the day, ball drop you want to. You weren't about it yeah, so leveled out here. The terminal list got a no thumbs up, no thumbs down rating. Essentially, pat cancelled me out and the beer here got us a good what we get to to. They got two thumbs up, one from each of us, yep. So anyways, we appreciate you all coming in and listening and hearing us ramble about us. This podcast episode of brews and reviews is probably as long as half of the hallucination migraine scenes in the terminal list. So just so you know if you haven't watched it, that's kind of what you're signing up for and anyways, thanks for joining us, ken, and until next time.
