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Strap in, folks, because Mick and I are at it again, swigging craft beers and waxing poetic about the desert sands of 'Dune, Part 2'. This episode's a wild ride through the hoppy embrace of Trve Brewery's Nazareth, a double IPA that's storming the craft beer scene with its creamy whispers and smooth vibes. And just when you thought your taste buds were the only things on an adventure, we transport you straight to Arrakis, dissecting the intricate dance of cast dynamics, Bene Gesserit schemes, and the kind of visual storytelling that makes you feel the sand beneath your feet.

Ever been so engrossed in a film that halfway through, you realize you're wearing the wrong glasses? Well, we've got mishaps of our own to share – from half-watched 'Dune' debacles to Be Real shenanigans dressed as Fremen warriors. Join us as we dissect the moments of movie viewing and the viral fails of 'Dune'-themed popcorn buckets. We don't hold back as we plunge into the supporting roles that give 'Dune' its depth and texture, all while nursing our IPAs and debating whether the latest batch is up to snuff or if we're just caught in the ebb and flow of beer evolution.

To cap it all off, we go full geek mode, unraveling the etymological tapestry that enriches the 'Dune' lexicon and debating whether Stellan Skarsgård's makeup process for 'Dune' merits a spinoff. From Christopher Walken impressions to the linguistic mélange that forms the Dune-scapes dialect, we're crossing the streams of pop culture and scholarly intrigue. So, whether you're here for the beer, the movies, or just a good laugh at our expense, we've got it all. It's an episode chock-full of flavor, film, and fun – and you're invited to the party.

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Chapters

00:52 - Brews and Reviews With Mick

05:38 - Analyzing the Taste of IPA Beer

10:21 - Beer Review and Movie Discussion

20:38 - Dune Movie Review and Discussion

31:08 - Confusion Over Watching Dune Movies

43:41 - Dune Movie Cast Dynamic

49:47 - Bene Gesserit, Paul Atreides, Prophecy

57:10 - Exploring Loyalty and Faith in Dune

01:05:46 - Discussing Visual Storytelling in Dune

01:18:52 - Discussion on Dune Movie Adaptation

01:29:35 - Impersonations and Etymology in Pop Culture

01:34:04 - Actors Stellan Skarsgård and Austin Butler

01:48:09 - Dune Movie Review and Discussion

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We ride together we die together.

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We bear voice for life.

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Get busy living or get busy dying Gang first, last.

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Are you not entertained?

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Are you not?

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entertained.

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Welcome to Brews and Reviews with Mick and Pat.

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I'm Mick.

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And.

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I'm Pat, and each week we sit down with you.

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Degenerates to pretend we're certified Cicerones and Cinephiles.

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That is right.

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So grab a cold one and join us as we review True Brewery's Nazareth and Dune, part 2.

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And if you've been with us before, you know what time it is.

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Release the Kraken mmm that smells good.

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It does.

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And if you are a follower of Mick and Pat's Brews and Reviews, you have heard of True Brewing before and they are back again.

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This will be our fifth, sixth, seventh.

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We're missing one can in there, I think seven.

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I think there's like seventh beer of theirs.

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So we've been fans of them and the can.

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We all know what a true brewing coke can looks like.

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It's a matte black, can well not today.

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Today it's a matte black, can Well, not today.

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Today it's a matte green, can you know?

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I think it's a little bit matte-y.

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Still, it's not too shiny.

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Yeah, no, it's still matte.

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And the artwork, true to form, is kind of dark, kind of scary, simple yet complex.

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You know it's designer.

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On here We've got a gentleman who is hooded Whoa.

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We don't know if it's a man or a woman?

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Okay, All right.

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All right.

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It's a hooded individual with a gas mask on and some tanks on their back and they're surrounded by fumes.

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It looks like a.

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Is that a bomb or just a bubble down there in the bottom right?

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I think it's just a bubble.

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I think it's just a black bubble.

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Yeah, but then that other little bubble makes it look like an old bomb, but anyways, yeah, this is a dude walking through some rowdy green gas.

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I think the green gas is coming out of.

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Out of him.

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Is that what he's breathing, look at the green gases in the tank.

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Ah, man, is that what he's breathing?

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Look at the green gases in the tank.

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Ah, I see, for any of you who are Warhammer 40k fans, if you've seen what the Mechanists look like with their hoods and their coils and tubes and gas masks and tanks, he's like a green version of that and I think the smoke coming out of him is like his exhale of the stuff in his tank.

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And it's a dragon.

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You think that's a dragon.

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Upon further investigation, I believe it's a serpent-esque dragon.

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I thought that was a horse skull at the bottom, oh, and a horse skull.

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There's both a horse skull and a dragon.

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Dude, what is it?

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Horse and dragon.

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Oh wow, what if it shots fire, dude?

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What if there's some?

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brewery beef.

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Are they killing the horse and dragon with this double IPA?

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That really does look like a horse, and dragon, that is a horse and dragon For people who don't know.

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Horse and Dragon is a brewery here in Colorado as well.

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Yeah, and they make some good beers, some of my favorites On here.

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We did the Midnight Stallion, which was a good one, but this is a double IPA and I'm interested to see how the double IPA stacks up, because I think double IPAs are hard to do and without just being super skunky, super strong.

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But what's going on else is going on on this.

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Can we've got the?

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Oh, they don't have the hops written on here.

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That's all right, because I've pulled it up online.

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So we have the troubadour truth once again.

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The troubadour golden oats, um, some citra, a couple other little things that they've thrown in there, but the I'm trying to see if they had any of the other malts or things in this.

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So we don't have that here.

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But it's eight percent um of alcohol volume and it's, you know, eight percent is kind of, I think, maybe on the lower end for a double ipa and maybe I mean I'm used to mercenary being 10 right, right, like the yeah, kind of like the high nines double digits, but so we'll see.

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That might help out with how they are able to keep this thing flavorful and good and and I have not had a sip yet I think it's time for me to try it and see it smells good.

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I've only sipped off the foam, the head, so that way I can fit more beer, and I have to say the smell and the head of it are really, I guess, balanced, like, really not overwhelmingly skunky.

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I don't smell any of that dog food that I smell with a lot of double.

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IPAs.

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That's true, there's no dog food, really not much.

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No skunk.

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No skunk at all that I can smell.

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That's impressive, so is it time to push it through our teeth?

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Oh yeah, so we're going to do the push it through your teeth test and while I explain it, pat's going to do it.

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And for those of you at home, just repeat it with me.

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You take a tablespoon amount of the beer into your mouth.

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You're going to let it roll over the top of your tongue and down the sides of your tongue and just let it get under your tongue and then swish it to the side of your tongue and just let it get under your tongue and then swish it to the side of your mouth left, then right and then left and right, and let it go between the teeth and really aerate.

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Then you put it right in front of your tongue, put your tongue against the roof of your mouth and push it forward through the front of your teeth and that really gets it pretty aerated.

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Should bring out all the flavors.

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Uh, pat, what are you tasting while I take some of my own medicine?

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yeah, I think that that is a wild uh, push it through your teeth test, because I was expecting to have to, like, kind of have a stinging tongue afterwards with a you know just a that sharp skunk ipa pushing on the tip of my tongue.

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But really it was just kind of creamy beer and it wasn't.

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It just tastes like a good ipa.

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It was pretty mild, that's uh, those people might be mad here.

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Gosh, we sound like such shills.

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Um, that's a juicier ipa than juice force.

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Like that's a creamier, juicier taste to me, especially doing the push with your teeth like the fact that like the strongest flavor after aerating it, like that isn't an acrid bitterness but is honestly, like you said, like a juicy, creamy, citrusy creamy out of a double ipa.

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That's crazy and I'll be honest juice force.

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I like it, I love it, I get it, I drink I drink more juice forces now, like I say now, like having pretty much cut out most drinks and drinking very, you know, maybe two beers a week on average, juice forces or voodoo ranger is probably like what I drink the most often.

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An iteration of juice force, right, yeah, uh, and that's just because that's what my buddies buy when they bring beer over, yeah and so, um, yeah, I so I love it, but this is better oh yeah, you know this is juicier and creamier.

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And when it comes to Juice Force, I wonder if there's something going on with lower quality than when they were pumping it out the first time.

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Yeah, because it's in every gas station.

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Yeah, it has a tall boy, can now?

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Yeah, I think we all thought it was going to be super seasonal, right, and for some reason Juice Force was like no, this is it.

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This is the one.

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This is the beer we've been on people buying when they come home from work to the gas station.

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Everyone wanted a Juice Force after Top Gun and they never wanted it to go away.

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It just has remained, I think.

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I think Top Gun and Juice Force coming out at the same time is what cemented it as a non-seasonal beer out at the same time is what cemented it as like a non-seasonal beer.

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I do remember I was at new belgium's uh, northern colorado brewery and they were doing a free beer survey where you just come up and sign up for it and they just pour you a bunch of beer in taster cups and you have to like sip it while you answer questions and it will say, like now, taste number eight, how would you describe it compared to number seven?

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And like there's a multiple choice answer and like the guy was really great, who was doing it?

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This was a new belgium employee, um, and he was like I can't answer any questions until after you finish the whole survey.

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I was like, all right, I finished it and I was like, hey, man, can't answer any questions until after you finish the whole survey.

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I was like, all right, I finished it and I was like, hey, man, can I ask you a question?

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Can I whisper it so it doesn't spoil?

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He's like, yeah for sure.

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I was like are these all just juice for us, but from different dates of brewing?

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He's like yeah, yeah.

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Some of them were like super expired.

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Some of them were like fresh off the batch and I was like interesting, so like they were deciding like what is the best age of juice for us, right, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, and so I thought that was pretty interesting.

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Anyways, back to this beer.

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Yeah, what are your thoughts, man?

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What else are you picking?

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up.

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You know I'm trying to pinpoint this.

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There's this one flavor in there that I can't figure out what it is that I'm having.

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I don't know, I think give it a whiff.

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I know.

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It's crazy how, like if you held this under my nose and told me to guess what beer it was, I wouldn't guess an IPA.

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It's like the sweet, that sweet smell, that sweet taste.

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What is that flavor?

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I think it's just like a fruity tooty smell, yeah, just a fruity, but yeah, like a citrusy, a little bit citrusy fruit flavor in there.

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Yeah, kind of reminds me for some reason of a jelly bean, I can't remember which one.

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Oh, yeah.

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But it has like that fruity, creamy flavor of some kind of jelly bean.

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Damn I like it.

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as someone who really does love mercenary, which is a hoppy double ipa, I think I'd pick this over it, given like if the two maybe, and maybe I only feel that way because I know this is a limited run right uh.

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So if you're listening to this and you want to try it, get out to uh true brewing's tap room in denver or try to look at their uh, uh.

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What's the term, man?

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Why am I blinking the way you sell product.

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It's not dispersal.

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All I can think of is dispersal.

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Uh, you can look up who their uh distributor distributor is um, and to see if it's distributed near you.

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Uh, they are getting bigger.

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Their operations are getting bigger and bigger, so maybe you can get a hold of it.

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But uh, yeah, try to get some now, before it's gone, because I imagine this won't be around very long yeah, and unless you are um beer cam from uh beeradvocatecom who says a failure truly tastes disgusting.

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Astonished at this flub Fake pineapple Horrific Oversweet Fake lemon drop, intensely of clashing pine and cane sugar.

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No hop definition, coherence Almost the worst IPA I've ever had.

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F this shiz for real.

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I had high hopes after loving it last year.

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What a waste of money.

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Deep strike against true, so he references the last year referenced.

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I gotta imagine he had a bad beer right and but for like the fact that last year did they change up their recipe the recipe on them.

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And I will say this if you are planning on having your standard skunk double ipa, this will fail you.

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Like if you love mercenary and that's the taste you're going for, if that's what you want, this is different.

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Yeah, this is not that.

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It's um, this is more mild and this would also be, I think, a good double ipa.

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To introduce somebody too who's like not into it.

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Those are too like wild for me yeah, oh, here you go I think this is like over.

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I mean like regardless of it being double, this is a mild ipa and taste and profile right the fact that it's also punching at 8%.

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I mean, that's got some weight to it, dude.

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I just actually still cannot get over the fact that that's a horse and a dragon.

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The more I think about it, the more I'm like that's intentional, dude, there's no way.

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That's not intentional.

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I'm looking up horse and dragon's double IPA.

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I gotta know Just what's the way.

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That's not intentional.

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I'm looking at Horse and Dragons double IPA.

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I got to know just what's their thing.

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Well, while you're doing that, the reason we picked this beer, you know, is we tried to pick a thematic beer and we had a couple options tonight and Pat ended up picking this one out of the ones I brought.

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And it's because, you know, this dude on the front of the can is looking spiced up.

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He's looking like he's trying to retain his moisture in this suit and contraption, he's got on recycling his uh exhalation to contain that moisture trap, just like they do on a raucous um, also spiced up because it looks like pretty like drugs, you know, just like spice melanges in in the world of dune um, and it's called nazareth, which I thought was interesting, because nazareth uh is, you know, terminology wise, referred to often.

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Yes, it's a place, uh, but it's often referred to as like a way of describing a messianic figure.

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You, you know, jesus of Nazarene, born in Nazareth.

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Uh, I think they, I think there's a lot of.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there like a quite a few college campuses that are like something of the Nazareth?

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Nazarene, nazarene, yeah, yeah, like churches and stuff, yeah.

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And so Dune being a movie about a messianic figure doing drugs, drugged out messianic figure trying to retain his moisture, this just seemed like it really fit the bill.

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And if you look at it and you don't think Dune, well you're wrong man, Because that's clearly a spaceship.

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In the distance behind him too, it could be.

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You don't think that's a spaceship?

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What is that Floating city?

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I think it's just a blob.

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That In the back left, yeah, back right, I don't know.

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I think it's up to the eye of the beholder.

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But before we get too much further, oh it is dog, I mean, it is a violence between them, right?

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I don't know that yet, but we have not given our thumbs.

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Yeah, true, true, which.

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I will continue to research this.

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I cannot find it would be nice if, like TMZ, had an article on the beef.

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There's a total of 15 people who care about micro-brodery beef right now in Colorado, and we are two of them.

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The other ones are employees at either of those companies.

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Right, exactly.

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So we will see.

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But we might just have to call the artist, because I will say this this is not the original logo, really, of the beer.

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The original logo just had the.

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It was green with the man in the gas mask, just a front view.

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And now they have the.

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Then they added this smoky, dying horse and dragon.

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So I don't know if it's just part of their dark, their darkness, they like that.

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Add some, add some death in there, or if there was something going on with the horse and dragon up there.

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But if I had to give this beer some thumbs up or down, yeah, I would give it a one thumb up and it's it's.

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It's pushing up a little higher potentially, but I'm giving it a.

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I'm giving it a one, solid one thumb because that's how I'm feeling, but I think that for some people it might be a two-thumb I'm some people, bro, that's a two-thumber.

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I'm some people, bro, that's a two-thumb IPA.

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That is a distinguishably cut above the majority IPA, in my opinion, because there's so many IPAs that we would be like that's arguably just a good beer and it's good enough that I can't give it a no thumbs Right.

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So we've given it one, and I just can't think of another IPA.

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I mean, dude, we gave Juice Force like two thumbs up, one from you and one from me.

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Right, this is true.

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And I just think this is better.

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So I'm going to give it two thumbs up.

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That's great, because I think it needs three thumbs.

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It needs at least three.

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It needs three thumbs.

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Did you know I was going to do two?

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I was hoping you would like hurt your own.

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You're like I'm gonna do one because he's gonna do two.

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I can't give a 1.5.

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It's true, dude.

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I was just hoping for the three number total well, here you have it, ken.

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Uh, true, brewing nazareth, it is a double ipa.

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It's a smooth, non-skunky, non-bitter, uh, fruity and creamy double ipa, seasonal it.

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I doubt it will be available for more than just probably through june this summer.

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I imagine it will be sold out of by then, unless they got some other batches they'll be releasing.

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But, um, yeah, I'll definitely look forward to it next summer now, after I've been trying it.

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Um and dude, now I just gotta take a picture and send it to horse and dragon dude, now I just got to take a picture and send it to horse and dragon.

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Yeah, what's going on here, dog?

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Yeah, that's so funny.

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Anyways, transitioning on over to the film of the evening, which is Dune part two.

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Now, ken, if you haven't watched Dune, or read the book, or watched the remake, uh, for dune part one, uh, you can't be mad at us, because there's just no way to protect you and talk about dune part two without spoiling dune yeah right, like you.

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Just, you're gonna learn stuff about part two listening to this.

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That is gonna be spoiling part one.

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So, all that said, we're not going to censor it.

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Spoiler warning, spoiler warning get ready and hopefully, hopefully.

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If you haven't seen it and you're waiting for it to come to streaming, this confirms to you to take the time to watch it, cause it's going to land on streaming here in the next week or two.

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Um, and it's uh, you know it was.

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It's quite the theatrical experience like that.

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That was probably, I don't know.

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I really I did enjoy oppenheimer, seen in imax and stuff, but, dude, seeing dune in the movie theater I wish I had, even though I had technical.

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Like there was an issue at our movie theater where every single time swords or daggers connected on something or a gunshot, that audio for some reason in the digital file.

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Like the high end, tweeters were crackly.

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No, the audio was so loud that it would black out or go into white noise on the movie screen.

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It was weird.

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It was a literal digital issue because it's not on film.

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It's a digital file that is sent out to all these movie theaters that they play off of.

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I explained it to the staff and they came in and they looked at it and they're like whoa, that's weird.

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It was literally like, and I recorded it on my phone to show them because I didn't think they'd believe me, right.

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Um, but it was literally.

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Every time there was a gunshot or anytime swords clanged, for some reason that tone got hot, so high pitched in the file or whatever.

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That it like cut out the video.

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It was weird, like the screen no, that's what I'm talking about.

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The screen went black or white, noise oh, wow, yeah, wow.

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Yeah, and so it was cool though, because I told them that and they came and looked at it and they thought they fixed it.

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And then after the movie I was like, yeah, it was kind of a bummer, but you guys definitely want to check it because, like it was very noticeable, for, like the big fight scenes and they're like, oh, wow, and I right and they're like here they count me two full imax tickets for the next amc imax I want to go to.

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That's good and no expiration on them.

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And I was like that is customer service, because I didn't even ask for that, dude.

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I was like, hey, I'm serious, guys like you don't, I don't think you guys know like get it.

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Like it was hard to see stuff in the big fight scenes, um, and even then though, bro, it was like I still enjoyed the movie a lot, you know, I mean, even though, like I had technical difficulties.

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So it was definitely an imax worthy movie.

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A home surround sound projector, yeah, big tv movie, it's like don't watch it on your phone if you can help sure.

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Yeah, that's right, I wish I'd watch it on my tv, but I was like when those three worms came out I was like I wish I was seeing this in the theaters and I am going to go, I think because of this movie.

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Now I've decided I'm going to up my sound system situation Because I am like a sound kind of sound savvy individual, but on my TV for years I've just had the straight speakers, no sound bar.

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I'm thinking about upgrading my sound bar speakers.

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Dude, I know soundbar.

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I'm thinking about upgrading my soundbar and I'm, I'd be, I would, I was originally going to take the current soundbar I have and use it as my like new game sound system oh yeah, on my computer I'll pass it on to you for real, all right I'll give you free of charge.

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It's a great soundbar the only issue with it is that when uh audio completely levels out to zero, it literally will mute and then unmute when this dial, like when audio returns oh really so, like when in mood and like poorly uh what is the term?

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um, poorly optimized uh files for streaming, you know where, like the movie file or the television show like has been optimized for streaming on a home audio system and the volume just gets so low that technically on an audio system like our TVs and stuff, it just is.

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It's literally like if you look, if you talk to like audio engineers or people who edit videos, like you get to a certain frequency on a lot of speakers, it just bottoms out and like it's zero.

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Right.

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And so that's like the only thing that happens with that speaker, and you only notice it when it's like turned up to 11.

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You know what I mean, um, but anyways, yeah, definitely a big cinematic movie.

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Excellent, uh, sound effects, excellent, cgi Um, I thought like the CGI in it was uncanny, like there was a couple points where I'm like, well, clearly they're not flying a drone over an alien planet where the city is built into a rock.

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But there was scenes I was looking at and I was like I don't know what's a physical stage and what's not.

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Like the skin of the sandworm.

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Oh yeah, the worms themselves look great.

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I guess I was just thinking too, like I couldn't tell you, like when they're filming, like there's a pivotal fight scene at the end, right, and like you can see all the scenery around the fight scene and I couldn't tell where it stopped being a built set and where it started being cgi.

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Right, it was just very well done.

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Yeah, the worms were insane.

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The sand the fact that like sand effects didn't look hokey right like how I, because they shot a lot of this in the desert.

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Yeah, but like yeah, I don't know how they blended all that together with the whipping sand like it looks so good and it doesn't look like all of the sand is in front of your characters.

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It doesn't look just masked on, it looks like it's wrapping them in the face, yeah, and all around them yeah, it was.

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It was quite the visual feat.

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Um, I also thought, uh, you know, before we get into everything, I guess we're just trying to talk about all the like good stuff about the movie or overall thoughts of the movie before we get into spoiler territory.

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But I thought the pacing was really well done and I know that was something billy jean said when we watched it.

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Billy jean said I could have watched that longer, and she is not a person who can usually sit and watch long movies because this is a three hour yeah, it's 246.

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Yeah, two hours I mean, but like if you're in the movie theaters yeah it's like three and a half, yeah, by the time you like sit down, you know preview start and then credits roll, um.

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But uh, she was like, yeah, that was so well paced like I really wasn't expecting it to end when it did, and I also could have watched for another 30 minutes and not realized it was four hours or three and a half hours, which, like a movie, we did when we did, we did Napoleon right.

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Yeah, oh my God, that movie felt like four hours five hours.

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And the pacing.

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It's hard to say like the pacing was similar but missed so hard.

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Like across time, you mean no, I mean, I mean like like just these you know, you have these huge epic battle scenes and also like these like moments of true, just like silence and two characters staring at each other, like like the and some of the pacing in and out, but like I feel like that's how, like there's there's some secret sauce that like napoleon missed in there, but like, oh yeah, you can have a movie that has very, very slow, very quiet, non-dialogue scenes, no music going on, and then also all the way over to these big, crazy epic scenes and you can pace it correctly to where a viewer's engaged the whole time, where the Napoleon one just the whole time was like I don't know, it was no good, it was horrible viewers engaged the whole time, where, like the, the Napoleon one just the whole time was like uh, I don't know like uh, it was no good, it was horrible it was.

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I mean, it was fighting for my attention.

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Right, I've never.

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I've never wanted to pull up my phone more during a movie in the movie Right, yeah, like in a movie you paid to see and sit down, and so it's not balls to the wall the whole time.

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It ramps way back, but it still paced really well for a long movie.

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It's also like when it's ramping back to me, it's just engaging.

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It's engaging storytelling, world building.

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And the fact that it's not like I already have a predisposition to fantasy sci-fi, because I know I've enjoyed that before and I know I've enjoyed the concepts that go into it.

00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:09.465
The fact that billy jean is watching dune.

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She can't remember dune part one.

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Oh my gosh, dude, the oh, so funny.

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Yeah, I was losing my shit.

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Sorry, I just had to touch on this before I forget.

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We get into the movie early doesn't matter really, other than just being able to sit and chill, because every you buy your, you pay for your exact seat, you know I mean so we get in the movie early, we're sitting down our seats and I hear his hispanic grandma and, I think, her daughter, and then her daughter's son, and then, and then sorry, hispanic grandma with her daughter or her son, and then the spouse right and then the kid and um, I can hear this hispanic grandma saying like essentially I can't remember exactly how it is in spanish, you know it was like, but she's like que pasa, paul atreides like like, like, he's like, and then the son is explaining, like either her son-in-law or her son is explaining to her and his wife which one paul tradies is right.

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Who's?

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Hey, like, like catching them up on everything before the movie starts.

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It was funny because he'd answer in english and all of her questions were in spanish, but all of the dune characters.

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She's like like uh, don't they stop, not, don't they esta?

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What's where?

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Where is uh donde?

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No?

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I can't remember, but she was just like whatever.

00:27:29.001 --> 00:27:38.528
Imagine donde esta is where is I know that that's how you're doing, but like she's like donde esta, duncan idaho, like a hero behind us, just like oh, he died.

00:27:38.528 --> 00:27:48.532
But like billy jean, uh was like, I just remembered she was like, so, uh, is Atreides the good guy in this movie.

00:27:48.532 --> 00:27:53.865
Right, atreides was the hero and I was like Atreides Like the house.

00:27:53.865 --> 00:27:58.750
Atreides, you mean Like like Paul, is a single person.

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Like you know, I was totally like being a nerd, but the fact that, like she didn't remember much of the first movie and really enjoyed this one, and so much so that I think she wanted to watch it again even, yeah, um, like that is a huge success for a movie that has so much lore.

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To try to make, make sense and not like, seem like a fever, dream right, and make it approachable to like the, your normal audience.

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Like this is a movie that I'm like I think my mom could watch it and still enjoy it and she doesn't get into sci-fi fantasy really at all right, you know, star wars is like, sometimes a little.

00:28:35.827 --> 00:28:36.891
She liked it as a kid.

00:28:36.891 --> 00:28:42.540
She loved seeing star wars, but she's not on wikipedia figuring out, you know like what crystal makes what lightsaber?

00:28:42.540 --> 00:28:48.010
She's, she's not about to like throw down over like which jedi beat which sith lord right, you know what I mean.

00:28:48.030 --> 00:28:49.413
Yeah, for sure.

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And I have a confession to make.

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I thought I had watched dune one.

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I think I only watched half of dune one and fell asleep.

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Really, yeah, because I, like I did, I sat down to do a quick Dune, I started watching Dune 2, and I was like Don't they start, don't.

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I know and you literally know.

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And I was like pause YouTube Dune recap.

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And halfway through the recap I was like yep, yep, yep.

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And then, at 50% done of the recap, I was like nope, nope don't remember that.

00:29:23.732 --> 00:29:25.167
I don't remember that knife fight scene at all.

00:29:25.167 --> 00:29:25.791
No, don't remember that.

00:29:25.791 --> 00:29:27.260
I don't remember that, uh, knife fight scene at all.

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I don't remember any fight scenes.

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Actually, you know like, besides the beginning, I was like oh, I only watched half of dune one, so I have to go back now and I have to go watch dune one dune one.

00:29:38.803 --> 00:29:47.589
It was like the last half of it is the best part exactly, which is also why I maybe wasn't so pumped on everybody's like doing so awesome and I'm like I don't.

00:29:47.589 --> 00:29:49.458
It was just kind of a slow desert movie.

00:29:49.458 --> 00:29:55.840
I don't know what's going on, wow, like like, uh, spider-man got his girlfriend stolen and I don't know what else is happening.

00:29:55.840 --> 00:30:01.236
But um, you know it's like I was like I don't know, um, the uh, um.

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So anyways, I discovered that, so now I'm excited to go back and watch the movie and then probably watch it again.

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I'm going to watch both with my wife Because I am going to, and that's why also I watched Dune 1 on my cell phone In bed, because it's such a long big movie.

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I was like long big movies I don't go watch by myself downstairs.

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Usually like that's when we're hanging out Watching TV shows, and so I messed up.

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I messed up bad and big, and that's funny to me is that your wife clearly already has a predisposition to it, because Billie Jean took a B reel of me today wearing my poncho up over my head and I had earpiece calm in my nose with the cable going around my hair, yeah, and I was doing my best, like sildar, wide eyes in the sun, you know, I was just she just took a b-roll of me going.

00:30:58.404 --> 00:31:02.732
We had to do it nine times because it's really hard to get b-roll to do a recording.

00:31:02.732 --> 00:31:06.337
Oh yeah, um, but your what?

00:31:06.337 --> 00:31:09.785
Your wife, mace wendy, responded with a laugh emoji.

00:31:09.785 --> 00:31:12.932
No, in fact, every girl responded with a laugh emoji.

00:31:12.932 --> 00:31:17.248
Just shows you like white chicks, get dune, hey there you go basic.

00:31:17.248 --> 00:31:18.170
White girls love who.

00:31:18.170 --> 00:31:19.800
These are girls who love taylor, swift.

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They also seem to love dune yep, I think, I think I need to watch it with my wife, need to watch both of them.

00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:34.730
Another thing before we hop into really breaking this thing down, as we're talking about how you know awesome it is to watch in the theater what's the deal with the popcorn bucket?

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yeah, I mean, but for real I yeah and you know, no dude, I don't know if they did, bro, it seems to be like something that like I think it was a miss, but you know it's been defiled.

00:31:48.327 --> 00:31:48.736
Oh yeah.

00:31:48.736 --> 00:31:51.603
Yeah, it was not just a joke, you know.

00:31:51.623 --> 00:31:56.090
Someone took that thing home and put a Uh uh Rep uh.

00:31:56.090 --> 00:32:00.480
How can I say this without seeing the actual Terminal?

00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.883
No, prophylactic is not what.

00:32:04.883 --> 00:32:05.926
What's a prophylact?

00:32:05.926 --> 00:32:10.827
That's what you take to get an erection right, prophylactics did not have, not a rubber.

00:32:10.827 --> 00:32:19.044
Oh, oh, yeah, well okay um, no, I, I'm trying to say a, um, a.

00:32:19.044 --> 00:32:21.405
What's another word for pocket?

00:32:21.405 --> 00:32:33.974
Oh, yeah, yeah, a replica of a female reproduction part has definitely been used with that popcorn bucket.

00:32:33.974 --> 00:32:38.878
Yeah, which also just a very poorly designed popcorn bucket.

00:32:38.939 --> 00:32:40.380
I don't know if you saw the video Buttery hands dude.

00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:41.502
Well, no, did you see the?

00:32:41.542 --> 00:32:42.627
video of people.

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The idea was the little needle teeth of the worm, uh-huh, would brush the butter off, but that brush it off.

00:32:49.311 --> 00:33:05.871
Yeah, like you reach in, you grab the, you grab the popcorn and you get your fist around in there, yeah, and then, as you're pulling out, that the little needle teeth are rubbing against your hand and brushing the buttery off the butter and salt off.

00:33:06.172 --> 00:33:11.132
It's not like a solid that brushes, it's not like crumbs, it's like just smearing the butter.

00:33:11.132 --> 00:33:13.160
It's really good at smearing the butter.

00:33:13.299 --> 00:33:24.951
Yeah, don't get it, but like I also saw, that like most men yeah that are, like you know, taller than a child, that have like a developed, normal sized fist.

00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:26.884
Can't get your hand out.

00:33:26.903 --> 00:33:29.917
Yeah, you grab popcorn and the mouth is too small to get the hand out.

00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:33.690
You're like a monkey in the jungle being trapped by some abdiginals.

00:33:34.090 --> 00:33:41.009
You know, you can't say abdiginals, oh no, you can't say abdiginals.

00:33:41.009 --> 00:33:42.703
You have to say what are they really called, pat?

00:33:42.703 --> 00:33:43.266
They're called people.

00:33:43.266 --> 00:33:45.172
Okay, you're to say what are they really called, bet?

00:33:45.172 --> 00:33:46.477
They're called people.

00:33:46.798 --> 00:33:53.926
Okay, you're right, they are humans, they're people, they're hunting monkeys and the monkey puts his hand around the banana and he can't get it out and he gets killed.

00:33:53.926 --> 00:34:02.057
But if you don't know what we're talking about, google dune popcorn google abediginals yeah google, google dune popcorn bucket.

00:34:02.057 --> 00:34:02.799
It's pretty crazy.

00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:06.859
You'll be like, oh my god it was a meme immediately as soon as that was announced.

00:34:06.859 --> 00:34:08.925
People were like I'm going to put my wiener in that.

00:34:08.985 --> 00:34:09.646
Oh man dude.

00:34:12.340 --> 00:34:13.143
I was also just like.

00:34:13.143 --> 00:34:26.521
I was like can you imagine having that holding onto it, forgetting that it's somewhere, and then, like your child finds that one day you got to explain that to your son, like why you kept that to your son.

00:34:26.521 --> 00:34:35.726
Like why you kept that, yeah, it's a souvenir of a movie, it's a very important movie and like, when he goes to look it up, it's just going to be all of the memes of people boning it oh my, god, yep.

00:34:35.766 --> 00:34:45.068
So anyways the movie funny um, directed by dennis villanueva, but uh, he's done.

00:34:45.068 --> 00:34:48.820
He did Dune 1 and then he did Blade Runner 2049, so he's he's.

00:34:48.820 --> 00:34:50.364
It was a baller movie.

00:34:50.364 --> 00:34:54.773
He's hit some big ones and I guess his name is Denis Denis huh.

00:34:54.773 --> 00:34:58.385
Denis Villanueva yeah, oh, I don't know.

00:34:58.746 --> 00:34:58.947
I think.

00:34:58.987 --> 00:35:11.311
I think he's French um but he is, you know, uh, as a director, I'd expect to keep seeing stuff from him to throw out movies this big and like I think you know there's always.

00:35:11.773 --> 00:35:16.505
I feel like back during blockbuster movies there was like really like a handful of directors.

00:35:16.505 --> 00:35:36.507
Now there were a ton of directors out there all the time but like, compared to the blockbuster world now with the netflix streaming prime world, like there's so many people getting shots at pretty big productions oh, hold on, let me just also say this yeah, for anyone who's like I'm not into sci-fi, this guy made sicario.

00:35:36.847 --> 00:35:48.123
Yeah, so, like, if you, or if you're like anyone else who usually listens to this podcast and loves sicario, then you're gonna, you should watch it, yeah yeah, I think, I think it's.

00:35:48.324 --> 00:35:50.208
It's not too sci-fi of a movie.

00:35:50.208 --> 00:35:51.751
It is sci-fi but it's.

00:35:51.751 --> 00:35:52.672
It's a good movie.

00:35:52.672 --> 00:35:59.601
It's a messianic romance story, exactly, and I think that I think this guy's gonna keep showing up for more stuff.

00:35:59.601 --> 00:36:09.177
He's been around for a while now, like sicario and things like that being, you know, it's about 10 years old now but, uh, this guy could be someone who really does make a bigger mark than I think.

00:36:09.177 --> 00:36:15.242
I think lots of what I'm saying is I think lots of directors are go unknown, like, if I say, steven spielberg you know.

00:36:15.543 --> 00:36:17.507
You know who that is, you know why, you know who that is.

00:36:17.507 --> 00:36:23.750
Drastic park and chindler's list were made in one year, right like, and he did them both yeah, just big fat movies.

00:36:23.869 --> 00:36:25.172
Yeah, everybody's.

00:36:25.172 --> 00:36:47.505
That's why you know because he made those two movies in a single year and it blew everyone's mind, created the blockbuster, exactly, and so the I think that you know this guy is not a spielberg necessarily, but like you know the way people tell where I'm named, like michael bay, whatever, like he's gonna, he has a chance, he's gonna, he has opportunity now to do all sorts of stuff and he's, you know, planning on.

00:36:47.505 --> 00:36:48.507
I think he's doing the third one.

00:36:49.090 --> 00:36:49.579
Oh yeah, you know.

00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:56.193
So that is so, but you know he is, he's impressive in his direction of this.

00:36:56.193 --> 00:37:04.429
And then you know, this cast was huge, Massive cast as far as like, and so you know, we have like the leads, really the supporting cast.

00:37:04.429 --> 00:37:09.204
We're all stars, like there are a lot of like oscar nominee people in here.

00:37:09.204 --> 00:37:15.364
Um, timothy chalamet, what has he been in other than uh, dune, what's?

00:37:15.403 --> 00:37:16.045
this I.

00:37:16.045 --> 00:37:37.264
So one of the ones that I like him the most in is, uh, the king, and that's where he plays like the english king who has to go to france, and it's like a actual time piece, uh, dramatization, but essentially he goes to france and he fights, uh, edward, uh, what's his last name?

00:37:37.264 --> 00:37:46.485
He was just, he was, uh, he was the vampire in twilight edward colin oh, was that his name in twilight?

00:37:46.505 --> 00:38:06.110
that's his name in twilight I thought it was hilarious because timothy chalamet is um, he's french, originally french, canadian, I believe and robert pattinson's english, but then timothy chalamet is playing an english king that's to go and fight a French king, and it was pretty funny.

00:38:06.110 --> 00:38:16.387
It's a great movie, though, because it's a very accurate dramatization of what really the like it was one of the wars between England and France.

00:38:16.387 --> 00:38:19.489
He was in Wonka.

00:38:20.101 --> 00:38:23.210
Apparently he's Willy Wonka, which I don't know if anybody's seen Willy Wonka.

00:38:23.590 --> 00:38:30.253
No, he was in the movie Hostiles, and I remember he lived quite a while in that movie before he got iced.

00:38:30.253 --> 00:38:42.592
Hostiles, though great movie, and that was like before he was known to anybody Coming by your Name was popular because it was like a teenage gay drama.

00:38:42.592 --> 00:38:46.864
He was in another one recently, though, about cannibalism.

00:38:46.864 --> 00:38:54.123
Hmm, he was in Interstellar, I'm trying to.

00:38:54.123 --> 00:38:56.413
Oh, yeah, he was in the TV show Homeland.

00:38:56.413 --> 00:38:58.833
He was the spoiled brat son of the president.

00:38:58.833 --> 00:39:02.407
Yeah, I'm trying to remember.

00:39:02.407 --> 00:39:02.929
What was this.

00:39:02.929 --> 00:39:04.873
What was it called?

00:39:04.873 --> 00:39:05.896
There was one.

00:39:05.896 --> 00:39:08.789
There was a cannibal one, oh, bones and All.

00:39:08.789 --> 00:39:11.396
Yeah, dude, pretty creepy.

00:39:11.396 --> 00:39:16.250
Yeah, that was like a very unsettling romance one, but it was pretty good.

00:39:16.250 --> 00:39:24.313
And then he was in Don't Look Up too, which was a pretty decent movie, but this is definitely his Magnum opus.

00:39:25.528 --> 00:39:26.934
Yep his big-time deal yeah.

00:39:28.585 --> 00:39:30.472
You know, other people got Zendaya.

00:39:30.472 --> 00:39:33.010
Everybody who doesn't love Zendaya.

00:39:33.010 --> 00:39:35.431
She's been all over the place over the last.

00:39:35.431 --> 00:39:37.057
Here's my thing, but here I'll be honest.

00:39:37.105 --> 00:39:38.371
Yeah, I got nothing against her.

00:39:38.371 --> 00:39:40.731
Yeah, Maybe it was the writing.

00:39:40.731 --> 00:39:44.315
I felt like she was the weakest actor actress in this movie.

00:39:45.545 --> 00:39:46.068
And I felt.

00:39:46.148 --> 00:39:48.815
I felt like it might have just been because they didn't like she could.

00:39:48.815 --> 00:39:57.829
She could only be disgruntled, non-believer so many times before it's like okay, so this is the one thing that she's like.

00:39:57.829 --> 00:40:01.347
This is the one thing she does in the movie is be a disgruntled non-believer.

00:40:01.347 --> 00:40:06.059
Um, I've seen clips of her from the show.

00:40:06.059 --> 00:40:09.206
Uh, that she was really like kicked off her career.

00:40:09.206 --> 00:40:10.208
Uh, I can't remember.

00:40:10.208 --> 00:40:11.954
Off the top of my head it was an hbo show.

00:40:11.954 --> 00:40:30.375
Um, euphoria, euphoria, yeah, um, and then I thought I think she's a great actress in, uh, the spider-man movies, you know um, but I, I personally was like, and I remember walking out I was like billy jean defended her to my wife's credit, my wife defended her right.

00:40:30.375 --> 00:40:40.994
But I was just like, I just really kind of thought she came off kind of repetitively naggy, whiny, by like halfway through the movie I was like are they going to give her any character development?

00:40:42.146 --> 00:40:49.998
Because they didn't give her anything to make her justify and redeem her nagginess.

00:40:50.780 --> 00:40:57.485
Yeah, it was just like yeah, you're right, her nagginess.

00:40:57.485 --> 00:41:09.527
Yeah, it was just like yeah, you're right like paul was gonna end up becoming emperor and take uh empress and you're not his empress, honey, and you either get to be a concubine or not and like it's just one of those things where it was like I think that is more writing less than diet as an actress.

00:41:09.547 --> 00:41:13.612
You know what I mean it just I think they just didn't because they also changed it from the book.

00:41:13.612 --> 00:41:18.699
Like in the book she has a journey of faith where she comes to believe.

00:41:18.699 --> 00:41:19.907
At least is what I've been told.

00:41:19.907 --> 00:41:21.233
I've never I haven't read the book.

00:41:21.233 --> 00:41:28.894
Um, she also was a much smaller character in the book, so they made her a pretty big role in the movie.

00:41:28.894 --> 00:41:33.594
So maybe there just wasn't enough to fill out that role, right?

00:41:33.614 --> 00:41:34.527
from the source material.

00:41:34.527 --> 00:41:35.268
You know what I mean.

00:41:35.268 --> 00:41:38.036
Yep, I agree, I agree.

00:41:38.036 --> 00:41:48.159
And then, like the people, the supporting cast is where all the big dogs really are javier bardem, rebecca ferguson, which my wife knows.

00:41:48.505 --> 00:41:50.530
Rebecca ferguson, I just think, is so beautiful.

00:41:50.530 --> 00:41:54.768
I I think it's just because she's like the most Irish looking woman I've ever seen.

00:41:55.068 --> 00:42:10.376
Yeah you know I mean, um, but uh, josh Brolin, austin Butler, it's like so stacked, like it's crazy when you think like Dave Bautista, basically as the equivalent of a cameo, because of how stacked this cast is with like all these other people in it.

00:42:10.376 --> 00:42:19.927
Um, I thought his character also just like beast radon or whatever his name beast I know, it's not radon, that's from elden ring, but that's all I can remember.

00:42:19.927 --> 00:42:21.251
It is beast rabban.

00:42:21.251 --> 00:42:28.632
Uh, it's kind of like a total puss, like just gets absolutely like crapped on.

00:42:28.632 --> 00:42:34.608
He never, like he's never winning, yeah, and then he just then gurney, just ices him, gets like his vengeance.

00:42:34.628 --> 00:42:35.614
I thought that was a great scene.

00:42:35.614 --> 00:42:36.317
That was excellent.

00:42:36.317 --> 00:42:37.186
It was a great fight scene.

00:42:37.186 --> 00:42:41.255
To just have it be short, yeah, he just, and billy jean said the same thing.

00:42:41.275 --> 00:42:58.079
She was like I liked that, like I liked that the comb, like the very intense standoff dance scene, yeah, was the final fight scene, yeah, and that when it came to like this is war, uh-huh, we are not going to take time to have like, hey, circle up, boys cheer us on.

00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.543
It's like this is war.

00:42:59.543 --> 00:43:00.726
I need to move through you.

00:43:00.726 --> 00:43:05.135
Yeah, I don't have time for any talk it was like what two moves?

00:43:05.135 --> 00:43:06.219
Yeah, they're like.

00:43:06.219 --> 00:43:08.833
I can't remember what was the finishing move, was it brachial?

00:43:08.913 --> 00:43:14.297
artery straight in the neck, just straight in the neck, straight in the straight in the soft bottom of the below the adam's apple.

00:43:14.297 --> 00:43:17.425
Yeah and uh, the you know because too.

00:43:17.425 --> 00:43:26.034
Yeah, and they do this in the final big fight scene, but, like you know, because you got to have your guy get knocked down, maybe he's not going to make it but he gets up again.

00:43:26.034 --> 00:43:26.677
He gets up again.

00:43:26.905 --> 00:43:30.552
But no, this is just just he's not down, but he gets up, yeah is happening.

00:43:30.572 --> 00:43:43.715
Yeah, Jumbo Wamba, Josh Brolin just like up to just knife in the neck, because and I wonder if they had this in the back of their mind too one of the greatest fight scenes of all time is in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

00:43:44.237 --> 00:43:44.416
Yeah.

00:43:45.505 --> 00:43:58.875
And all it is is this guy, this big, scary dude similar to Dave Bautista, gets out a big old scimitar and he's waving it around and you know, just kind of like how Bautista's whip was, a little.

00:43:58.875 --> 00:44:05.856
You know this ominous weapon, and then you know Indy just pulls out his gun and shoots him.

00:44:05.856 --> 00:44:15.646
It's one of the most iconic fight scenes of all time, in my personal opinion scenes of all time.

00:44:15.686 --> 00:44:17.193
In my personal opinion and, uh, my favorite is how like overused that.

00:44:17.193 --> 00:44:18.920
The real trivia behind this thing is that it's now a meme on the internet, right?

00:44:18.940 --> 00:44:19.583
have you seen that?

00:44:19.583 --> 00:44:28.052
Yeah, like I wasn't gonna say it because I don't want to say it, like we'll say it now, but like I wasn't gonna say it as if I was adding knowledge, I just love.

00:44:28.353 --> 00:44:32.786
It's gotten to the point where people just say this trivia fact randomly in YouTube comments.

00:44:32.967 --> 00:44:34.849
Right, that's how funny it is.

00:44:35.429 --> 00:44:41.434
But did you know that that scene was a result of Harrison Ford having bad diarrhea and being exhausted?

00:44:41.434 --> 00:44:42.215
There we go, all right.

00:44:42.215 --> 00:44:44.436
I just had to say it Even further.

00:44:44.617 --> 00:44:49.440
people may not know is that tons of the cast and crew was wiped from a bad meal.

00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:50.681
Oh, really, it wasn't just him.

00:44:53.045 --> 00:44:54.730
Because who's the guy um his steven spielberg?

00:44:54.730 --> 00:44:58.807
Yeah, steven spielberg, george lucas, george lucas, but that his his sidekick.

00:44:58.807 --> 00:45:02.795
Oh, but the big guy dr jones dr jones.

00:45:02.795 --> 00:45:04.918
No, no, the the big arab guy.

00:45:04.918 --> 00:45:08.896
Yeah, his name uh, he's not actually arab, yeah, but but he's, he has the gremlin.

00:45:08.896 --> 00:45:11.451
His name is yeah.

00:45:11.451 --> 00:45:14.840
Yeah, he talks about he like he thought like he was gonna die john rice davis.

00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:20.695
Yeah, john davis, he talks about a story about how this nurse came in to like bad dates yeah, yeah, bad dates.

00:45:20.695 --> 00:45:27.476
And this nurse came in and just left because of like, he's like, he's like I had just like ruined my room so disgustingly.

00:45:27.476 --> 00:45:36.706
A nurse came in and just left, like left me there, but anyways, so, yeah, the uh, I think that that was a well done fight scene.

00:45:36.706 --> 00:45:38.731
I just liked it was just uh, uh, great.

00:45:38.731 --> 00:45:56.045
You just took him out because, too, from the first movie, I mean, uh, josh bullen's character, gurney, was on a mission, like his only real mission in life, besides supporting paul, protect the atreides was mostly, though, a mission of vengeance.

00:45:56.045 --> 00:46:02.811
You know, he was like because that, because, uh, it was uh, patista's character is the guy who killed paul's dad.

00:46:02.811 --> 00:46:07.764
Right, he was the one he was kind of technique, I mean he helped do it right.

00:46:07.824 --> 00:46:13.760
Yeah, I mean he was, he was, yeah, so he was there, so he was just like on a mission to just avenge his king right.

00:46:14.202 --> 00:46:17.268
Yeah, no, it was great and that's like the other thing.

00:46:17.268 --> 00:46:23.036
One of the biggest changes from the book is that in the books, paul doesn't let.

00:46:23.036 --> 00:46:24.918
Why am I forgetting his name?

00:46:24.918 --> 00:46:26.661
G, g, g, g, g, gurney, gurney.

00:46:26.661 --> 00:46:28.186
All I could think of was Gunnery.

00:46:28.186 --> 00:46:28.905
It's a weird name.

00:46:28.905 --> 00:46:31.086
I it's a weird name, I'm dyslexic.

00:46:31.086 --> 00:46:32.487
But he doesn't let Gurney get revenge.

00:46:32.487 --> 00:46:36.289
He tells him to stand down and then he kills Beast Rabba.

00:46:37.110 --> 00:46:44.315
He takes the thunder, so it was kind of cool that Denis Villanueva was like nah man, we all want to see it.

00:46:44.315 --> 00:46:45.614
Let's give the people what they want.

00:46:45.996 --> 00:46:58.101
And like I don't know, but like when Timothee Chalamet is, like you know, 50 years old, I wonder what he's going to look like, just comparatively to like Brolin.

00:46:58.101 --> 00:46:59.663
What a beast man Seriously.

00:46:59.663 --> 00:47:09.150
And I don't like in the world of like toxic masculinity being a horrible thing, I'm just like Whatever, but Brolin is just a man.

00:47:09.190 --> 00:47:12.108
He's a man's man, just is just a man, he's a man's man.

00:47:12.108 --> 00:47:14.893
Just just look, I'll be, I'll, I'll be.

00:47:14.893 --> 00:47:17.846
You know not, uh, what's the term?

00:47:17.846 --> 00:47:25.114
I won't be homophobic and afraid to call another man hot, but you got to accept that I'm calling him hot because he's a toxically masculine.

00:47:25.114 --> 00:47:28.644
Okay, yeah, no, but uh, we were talking about offline.

00:47:28.744 --> 00:47:39.173
But, like you know, both him and, uh, javier bardem, they almost look younger in this movie and I get like they're not.

00:47:39.173 --> 00:47:45.335
I get like there's wrinkles and stuff like that and you know their skin's a little bit more age, but to me they almost look more.

00:47:45.335 --> 00:47:50.293
Maybe it's also the way they move seems more youthful than when they were counter each other.

00:47:50.293 --> 00:48:06.108
In no country for old men which I see that movie and I watch that movie about once every couple of years and it always shocks me, like in my mind I pictured them a lot older, as like from a kid, when I first saw the movie, right, and then I watch it.

00:48:06.108 --> 00:48:18.373
I'm like, wow, dude, like Josh Brolin looks like a freaking baby almost in this movie, but like you, but you also see him now and you're like he still looks really good, like he still looks very youthful Right.

00:48:19.764 --> 00:48:30.532
And so, anyways, I just thought it was cool also too that, like Javier Bardem, josh Brolin Outlander Desert Guns and they get to be buddies this time.

00:48:30.632 --> 00:48:31.666
Yeah, and they both live to the end.

00:48:31.666 --> 00:48:32.086
You know what I mean.

00:48:32.086 --> 00:48:32.927
Like, and they get to be buddies this time.

00:48:32.927 --> 00:48:33.648
Yeah, and they both lived to the end.

00:48:33.668 --> 00:48:34.068
You know what I mean.

00:48:34.068 --> 00:48:35.972
Like I just thought it was so awesome and they talk about it behind the scenes.

00:48:35.972 --> 00:48:40.978
I don't know if you've seen any behind the scenes interviews, but they were just like, they just teased each other.

00:48:41.018 --> 00:49:01.213
They were constantly teasing each other, but you could tell they were like you know it's 10 times yeah, like the pressure's, like, like you know, the other people got to carry this thing right and they just had to show up and do their thing and have fun, do it.

00:49:01.273 --> 00:49:14.126
And they're already like they're, they're professionals, they can, they can do it in their sleep at this point, like you just show up, dress up all fun and do your thing and then, like they act, like they say cut you, go back and you're just hanging out like you're.

00:49:14.126 --> 00:49:22.635
I feel like it's like a it's a good old time, like it's a well-earned spot to be in, just to be like, yeah, we're having fun here and like these two in this.

00:49:22.695 --> 00:49:38.132
For these two guys like, uh, my country for old men came out in like like 2009, like six, oh it's seven so like it's like so, like this much further down the road now, like where they're able to just like uh, just a honed craft and they're just and I had to have.

00:49:38.132 --> 00:49:39.416
They've had a friendship for a long time.

00:49:39.416 --> 00:49:41.710
They just have a good old time, yeah it's awesome.

00:49:41.869 --> 00:50:00.130
I do love that stuff like uh, you know, it's kind of like the woody harrelson and math me kind of effect right like you could tell like their filmography of when they've gotten to kind of be on set together and you could tell like their filmography of when they've gotten to kind of be on set together and you could tell like they're really good buds right and like that's kind of the same thing with these two, and like they're not trying.

00:50:00.331 --> 00:50:01.835
Yeah, it's very authentic, right?

00:50:01.835 --> 00:50:10.155
Yeah, it's good, um, anyways, uh, spoilers yeah, yeah, all right.

00:50:10.155 --> 00:50:12.699
Um, so the whole plot.

00:50:13.219 --> 00:50:13.380
Yeah.

00:50:13.565 --> 00:50:38.277
Revolves around that there's this group of women, an organization, perhaps you could say, not a religion, but a sect Of a societal organization, known as the Bene Gesserit, who, whether or not the rest of the world is in on it it's not entirely clear to me or the rest of the galaxy, but the Bene?

00:50:38.277 --> 00:51:01.632
Gesserit is clearly pulling strings in order to be the concubines of many of the like, the emperor, the baron, the duke, all these different houses, so that way they can get pregnant and then eventually mix all these bloodlines to create what is the ideal superhuman right.

00:51:01.632 --> 00:51:08.628
And in doing so, though, they plant these seeds through, you know, like and essentially it's like.

00:51:08.628 --> 00:51:13.704
It's not, it's not necessarily like magic when I say this Like.

00:51:13.726 --> 00:51:45.949
This is literally like, as best I understand from the movie and the story, through generations of selective breeding and mixing bloodlines and just millennias of mankind being out in the stars, they've literally genetically selected and reproduced individuals who are capable of telepathy, capable of, like, uh, psychic command, like we see, um, you know, paul atreides do, and use the voice right, and so, like.

00:51:47.072 --> 00:51:57.536
They use those abilities to plant the seeds of prophecy Right, and they've been writing this prophecy of who the Messiah is going to be for.

00:51:57.536 --> 00:52:40.032
I don't know, I can't remember if it specifies, but I believe over a thousand years and they've been planting it in these people on Arrakis to have an expectation of a savior that will come, and the idea is that they genetically selected over generations to have this perfect paula treaties to fulfill the prophecy and his mother would also be one of the benedict conubines to help guide the the prophecy and so it's like, because it's almost like, like a like a freemason society type thing going on with also a nunnery, but the opposite of nuns not doing it, meaning like they're grown up.

00:52:40.052 --> 00:52:46.014
They do it a lot, they do it to then have, they're trained up and then sent out.

00:52:46.014 --> 00:52:58.900
Trained in seduction Selectively select somebody and then have a kid with them, and so it's a very kind of secret society, huge conspiracy theory type thing behind them.

00:52:59.947 --> 00:53:01.652
Not even a conspiracy, though it's happening.

00:53:01.672 --> 00:53:09.418
Right right, Like a conspiracy to manipulate and synthesize a messiah.

00:53:10.865 --> 00:53:16.451
And it's all about, at the end of of the day, what's the, what's the reason for the bene gesserit to just have ultimate control?

00:53:16.451 --> 00:53:26.106
To have control, yeah, like, so that, like the emperor and I think we see it really clearly in this movie the emperor has no control, right, like between.

00:53:26.106 --> 00:53:36.050
Like the bene gesserit, at the emperor's side, literally told him we find out to destroy house of treaties, right, which is, and he would have never done it if she hadn't told him to do it.

00:53:36.050 --> 00:53:38.291
So it's like one of those things that you realize.

00:53:38.291 --> 00:53:41.594
Like the Bene Gesserit made up this whole prophecy.

00:53:41.594 --> 00:53:55.289
They made the whole thing up, planted it thousands of years ago through, you know, telepathy and manipulation in the minds of I can't remember what do they call them the people of arrakis do they have a specific the?

00:53:55.309 --> 00:54:04.275
fremen, yeah, um, and the fremen and the fremen, over time and time and time, have passed down the story of who the messiah will be and uh, of course, the bene?

00:54:04.275 --> 00:54:05.987
Gesserit have been creating this messiah.

00:54:05.987 --> 00:54:13.280
And so we see, uh, paul atreides and his mother in the beginning of this movie, both on the same page.

00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:27.454
She is there to help him and guide him as he like to fulfill these fake messianic prophecies that he is supposed to fulfill in order to gain the loyalty of the Fremen.

00:54:27.454 --> 00:54:41.237
But what was very interesting to me was that in the, you know, I knew, I knew from the books, from like what my friends had told me, and such that Paul would become like he.

00:54:41.237 --> 00:54:50.311
He lets it get to his head in the books and he believes maybe I am a Messiah, maybe this is beyond manipulation and this is true divine destiny.

00:54:50.311 --> 00:55:00.036
In the movie it flips and we see Jessica after she takes on all the memories of the mother.

00:55:00.036 --> 00:55:05.277
I can't remember what they called her, but she was a specific, the reverend mother, yeah, the reverend mother.

00:55:05.844 --> 00:55:09.795
She believes like oh no, this is not a false prophecy.

00:55:10.335 --> 00:55:10.856
This is.

00:55:10.856 --> 00:55:12.204
It's almost like manifestation.

00:55:12.204 --> 00:55:17.032
Yeah, this is real like the thing they've been, even though they've been synthesizing to a messiah.

00:55:17.233 --> 00:55:35.570
Yeah, now this is actually the real deal yeah, and like she truly believes paul is a met messiah, um, and like we see that consistently throughout the rest of the movie and everything she did, like rebecca ferguson's character never once compromises on like the faith that paul is a messiah.

00:55:35.570 --> 00:55:39.097
After that, right, uh, paul takes a long time.

00:55:39.097 --> 00:55:55.592
But also, when we see paul uh, drink the waters of life, he goes into a coma, pretty much claimed to be dead, and then he resurrects from that due to the tears mixed with the waters of life, tears of Shani crying over his death.

00:55:55.592 --> 00:55:59.735
And as he comes back he is fully like, nope, I am the Messiah.

00:55:59.735 --> 00:56:05.081
And like before that he was like this is something I got to do just to fulfill it.

00:56:05.081 --> 00:56:06.521
So these people follow me.

00:56:06.521 --> 00:56:17.355
And if I don't do it, then like they shouldn't follow me anyways, because then it is a shame If I'm not willing to do this and go this far, I'm not a leader worthy of their loyalty.

00:56:17.355 --> 00:56:20.998
And then it's after that he's like no no, no, I am God.

00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:32.257
I am the Messiah, and I can't tell, though, if he believes he is that in a divine sense or if he feels that he can be.

00:56:32.257 --> 00:56:32.739
That Does that make?

00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.193
sense, I think he believes it because of the visions he's had.

00:56:35.193 --> 00:56:51.409
You know, he had the visions of his sister growing up on an Arrakis with an ocean, and I think he legitimately believes like, oh, it's not just me following a prefabricated story Right, I really will deliver this.

00:56:51.409 --> 00:56:52.983
And they just needated story Right, I really will deliver this.

00:56:52.983 --> 00:56:56.394
And they just need to listen, right.

00:56:56.394 --> 00:56:58.418
Which is like what's the difference?

00:56:58.418 --> 00:56:59.264
At that point, Right.

00:56:59.344 --> 00:57:00.469
That's the real question.

00:57:00.469 --> 00:57:12.773
Right Is like if the prophecy is that you will save us and deliver us and the person who will do that meets XYZ, and then someone comes along and meets XYZ.

00:57:12.773 --> 00:57:18.436
They fabricated the whole story and they're meeting XYZ because they fabricated it, right.

00:57:18.436 --> 00:57:26.878
But if they really do save you and deliver you and end the conflict, whatever conflict is, that's messianic Right.

00:57:26.918 --> 00:57:27.500
You know what I mean.

00:57:28.469 --> 00:57:29.217
So what's the point?

00:57:29.521 --> 00:57:29.844
Exactly.

00:57:31.409 --> 00:57:32.934
Is it really fabricated or not?

00:57:32.934 --> 00:57:36.070
It's true, that is what a Messiah does.

00:57:36.934 --> 00:57:43.775
Right, and my thing is, I couldn't figure out while watching it if I was supposed to be a believer or not.

00:57:44.237 --> 00:57:45.458
Yeah, that was the other thing.

00:57:45.458 --> 00:57:46.885
I was like I was on the fence the whole time.

00:57:46.885 --> 00:57:56.411
I was like, yeah, this is such a scam and they're totally pulling the wool over these people is such a scam and they're totally pulling the wool over these people.

00:57:56.411 --> 00:58:03.210
But, like, also it's kind of a good thing because they are here to help them and, like paul's clearly cares about them and and has, in a sense, supernatural ability.

00:58:03.570 --> 00:58:08.166
Oh yeah, like even from the first movie you know, he's like voice, he's he clearly.

00:58:08.166 --> 00:58:18.726
He clearly has these abilities other people doesn't have and has a uniqueness other people don't have and is positioned with authority that other people don't have.

00:58:18.726 --> 00:58:27.670
And so you know, and that's why I love Javier Bardem's character, is maybe my favorite character in the whole movie Stilgar.

00:58:27.670 --> 00:58:37.137
He's just a like, faithful believer and to the end and not without action or not without like.

00:58:37.137 --> 00:58:41.815
Not one who sits by idly waiting to be saved.

00:58:42.606 --> 00:58:44.568
He's also like to be fair.

00:58:44.568 --> 00:58:51.340
He's also like a classical, not objectionist.

00:58:51.340 --> 00:59:00.771
Not objection is it's the term for when someone incorporates a conflict to the faith to justify the faith.

00:59:00.771 --> 00:59:13.005
I'm trying to remember, remember where, like Paul, denies he's the Messiah and, like Stilgar's first reaction is like it is said, he will be humbled, more humbled than anyone.

00:59:13.005 --> 00:59:16.731
This is him demonstrating his humility.

00:59:16.731 --> 00:59:20.514
And then he picks Stelgar's first reaction is like it is said, he will be humble, more humble than anyone.

00:59:20.514 --> 00:59:22.117
Right, this is him demonstrating his humility.

00:59:22.117 --> 00:59:26.822
And then he picks, like Lisan al-Gaib, the desert mouse to be his name.

00:59:26.842 --> 00:59:29.585
And he's like what a truly humble, yet noble name.

00:59:29.585 --> 00:59:40.461
It's like no matter what, as long as he didn't outright contradict entirely, like the faith, like and commit like sacrilege, yeah, no matter what stilgar was going to justify it.

00:59:40.601 --> 00:59:51.715
You know he was always going to justify everything right, regardless of the contradictory right, because if you have a complicated enough theology, yeah, you can always tie something to it, right in that sense.

00:59:51.715 --> 01:00:03.367
So, yeah, there is that and and like, but just something about his faithfulness and his conviction to it.

01:00:03.367 --> 01:00:08.324
He's not a faker like he is, he is a true believer.

01:00:08.324 --> 01:00:20.818
And funny because the term true believer is a dangerous term because it's um weaponized and or routinely associated with radicalized individuals and closed-mindedness.

01:00:20.818 --> 01:00:22.329
Yeah, but there's also.

01:00:22.329 --> 01:00:29.228
There's something I find value in someone who also is like, true believer to their conviction and to their like.

01:00:29.228 --> 01:00:40.103
There's like they are who they are, and so I think that his character and Josh Brolin's character, gurney, are in direct opposition to this.

01:00:40.525 --> 01:00:40.644
Yeah.

01:00:42.608 --> 01:00:47.039
But at the same time their end result and end goal, because they are the same.

01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:48.972
Like it's just too.

01:00:49.164 --> 01:00:52.454
Did you see my thing here about loyalty, fealty versus faith?

01:00:52.675 --> 01:00:52.795
No.

01:00:52.965 --> 01:00:53.949
And like what's the difference?

01:00:53.949 --> 01:01:00.126
No, I don't, so I have a little note here, but like I don't have a conclusion on it, but that was, that was what I saw it.

01:01:00.126 --> 01:01:18.811
As is like you have Gurney, who is just as loyal as Stilgar, is faithful, right, but in the end the manifestation is the same Right, like the manifestation of that loyalty and the manifestation of that faithfulness is the same reason, like same thing out of both of their characters, right?

01:01:19.572 --> 01:01:24.891
Um, that, like, no matter what Paul did, gurney would die for him.

01:01:24.891 --> 01:01:26.735
Same with Stilgar, right, you know?

01:01:26.735 --> 01:01:30.954
And so it's one of those things of like, like I don't have an answer.

01:01:30.954 --> 01:01:32.387
What is the difference between loyalty and faith?

01:01:32.387 --> 01:01:32.987
Like I don't have an answer.

01:01:32.987 --> 01:01:33.969
What is the difference between loyalty and faith?

01:01:33.969 --> 01:01:36.833
I don't think Gurney, like Gurney, certainly did not believe Paul was the Messiah, right?

01:01:37.152 --> 01:01:38.614
He was in on it Right he was in on.

01:01:38.614 --> 01:01:50.833
Like this is arranged Right, but this is my king Right and I feel like it's a, I feel like in my so like in my own, like faith walk or as a person of faith.

01:01:50.914 --> 01:01:51.134
Yeah.

01:01:51.715 --> 01:01:57.101
These two things we're talking about are something that I actually pendulum between.

01:01:57.965 --> 01:02:01.492
Loyalty to God versus faith and rely on in my.

01:02:01.492 --> 01:02:04.764
When your faith is weak, your loyalty kicks in, yeah yeah.

01:02:04.764 --> 01:02:10.951
When your loyalty is weak, your faith kicks in, yeah, father God, I failed to adhere, but I have faith that you'll forgive me.

01:02:11.152 --> 01:02:11.331
Yeah.

01:02:11.565 --> 01:02:12.547
Father God, god, I failed to adhere.

01:02:12.547 --> 01:02:13.568
Yeah, I have faith that you'll forgive me.

01:02:13.568 --> 01:02:20.452
Yeah, father god, I just don't know what your plan is, if I believe in it, but I will remain loyal you know exactly, stick with the hard road, yeah, and that's like that's probably the truth.

01:02:20.652 --> 01:02:31.411
I mean, that's like because I feel like we're getting off of movie review here a little bit, but I feel like I think that's what we see, though, yeah and that's what, and because I feel like this is usually in the shower for me.

01:02:32.512 --> 01:02:35.717
It's like, yeah, usually while I'm about to walk Right and I'm just like.

01:02:35.717 --> 01:02:38.400
It's the journey between the car and the front door.

01:02:39.346 --> 01:02:50.980
Yeah, and good movies, good stories, I feel like always, in my personal opinion, the pieces and things we love about movies and good story, I think, actually speak to a deeper thing in us.

01:02:50.980 --> 01:02:54.623
And good story, I think, actually speak to a deeper thing in us.

01:02:54.623 --> 01:03:02.525
And then also speak to, I think, to the story of Christ, which you could say that also, maybe the story of Christ just appeals to us because there's something in us.

01:03:03.268 --> 01:03:07.813
Oh, maybe the image of God, or I'm saying to argue against like.

01:03:07.813 --> 01:03:09.947
Oh, the image of God To be like, oh no, like.

01:03:10.086 --> 01:03:12.652
The Jesus story is just the same thing as a good movie.

01:03:12.831 --> 01:03:13.673
That's why it appeals to you.

01:03:14.034 --> 01:03:15.016
I see that too.

01:03:15.097 --> 01:03:15.998
It's the hero's journey.

01:03:16.038 --> 01:03:16.699
And that's what I'm saying too.

01:03:16.699 --> 01:03:25.007
Between loyalty and faith, I'm just like all right, like I use them both in my own life, yeah, and so these two characters are like the embodiment of those things.

01:03:26.148 --> 01:03:27.349
Yeah, yeah, no, just about.

01:03:27.349 --> 01:03:27.751
Is Jessica good?

01:03:27.751 --> 01:03:30.554
Yeah, because I it's hard to tell bro.

01:03:38.985 --> 01:03:40.150
Is she just a jealous mother?

01:03:40.324 --> 01:03:40.666
I'll tell you.

01:03:40.666 --> 01:03:43.472
When she started talking to her tummy, I was like this is something.

01:03:43.472 --> 01:03:45.438
Yeah, she's psychotic.

01:03:45.626 --> 01:03:51.847
I'm trying to figure out what's happening, but then by the, because, if I'm remembering right in the movie in the beginning she's talking to her stomach by.

01:03:51.847 --> 01:03:54.012
If I'm remembering right in the movie in the beginning she's talking to her stomach.

01:03:54.012 --> 01:03:55.536
By the end she's having a conversation with her stomach.

01:03:55.536 --> 01:03:57.782
Is the voice always in the tummy at the beginning?

01:03:57.782 --> 01:03:58.925
Yeah, it is or is it just in the?

01:03:58.985 --> 01:03:59.045
end.

01:03:59.045 --> 01:04:11.681
So the whole idea another change from the book like the pregnancy is rapidly shortened after she drinks the water of life.

01:04:11.681 --> 01:04:14.474
After she drinks the water of life because they didn't think she was pregnant when she took it.

01:04:14.474 --> 01:04:31.715
When she does, her and the baby both receive all of the memories of all of the Reverend mothers, and so that baby comes out very quickly and ages rather quickly and has the ability to talk at like one years old in complete senses.

01:04:31.715 --> 01:04:34.259
Reverse Benjamin Button Exactly Like she and she.

01:04:34.259 --> 01:04:37.913
She's just as wise as Rebecca Ferguson's character, jessica.

01:04:37.913 --> 01:04:39.757
Like she, she's just she, and so like.

01:04:39.757 --> 01:04:41.391
It's kind of one of those things of like.

01:04:41.391 --> 01:04:56.552
If you just received every single memory of every US president, and so did your son and you were the only two with all of that information, of everything they were told, everything they lied about, whatever, you're probably just going to talk to each other.

01:04:56.793 --> 01:05:10.202
You're like there's no one else you're going to talk to, and so that's kind of like that concept I see here right, and so it's one of those things of like the conversations though she has internally are questionably moral.

01:05:10.202 --> 01:05:11.003
You know what I mean.

01:05:20.485 --> 01:05:22.351
Like some of the things her and her unborn, uh, daughter discuss are like is she good?

01:05:22.351 --> 01:05:22.652
Are they good?

01:05:22.652 --> 01:05:23.556
Do they have our best interests at heart?

01:05:23.556 --> 01:05:24.159
Right, and like is she just?

01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:24.259
Like?

01:05:24.259 --> 01:05:28.248
There's a classic character archetype which is just a jealous mom who's you know, my son is the greatest.

01:05:28.248 --> 01:05:43.751
I will, I will lie for him, I will, you know, in the you see this all the time where it's like this, like the mom who will literally do anything for her son, be it over into dark evil, things over into great sacrifice, things right.

01:05:43.751 --> 01:05:51.351
Like like I'll do anything for my son and so is that her, because I never get like a, I never get a goodness from her character.

01:05:51.411 --> 01:06:00.887
Yeah, I get a believer-ness, the radical believer, by the end of the movie.

01:06:00.887 --> 01:06:11.932
I'm like that's the difference between her and Stilgar, stilgar, 100% faith, her radicalized Right, like happy to use the family nukes if need be.

01:06:11.932 --> 01:06:13.536
Right, you know what I mean, right?

01:06:13.536 --> 01:06:24.978
But okay, the lore stuff, the world stuff, I just want to talk about it briefly and just kind of again question you know, worm travel is sick.

01:06:24.978 --> 01:06:34.418
I loved, like, the idea of like, yeah, the only way we can get through the um, uh, what's the term for gosh dude?

01:06:34.418 --> 01:06:37.282
People are gonna think I'm dumb because I'm forgetting all these terminology.

01:06:37.282 --> 01:06:38.146
I'm just exhausted.

01:06:38.146 --> 01:06:50.201
But uh, the equator, the equator on arrakis, just has this permanent massive storm and like the only way to go to the southern hemisphere, the southern tribes of the feminine, is just riding a worm.

01:06:50.201 --> 01:06:59.702
Yeah, I just thought that was sick, yeah, I thought that was so cool of like worm, worm train yeah and everyone's just riding on the back of the worm.

01:06:59.762 --> 01:07:00.726
I thought that was pretty cool.

01:07:00.726 --> 01:07:13.878
Is the like, the visual storytelling of, like how they're showing how to ride a worm and drive it and never did they ever have dialogue explaining what to do it.

01:07:13.878 --> 01:07:22.030
Just it gets to the scene where paul is learning how to do it and then the next scene of like him riding, getting his own worm and riding it.

01:07:22.650 --> 01:07:52.951
And like, the visual storytelling of the scales, pores, whatever you want to call them, orifice orifices open up and as they are pulled and opened and sand blows into them, that makes the worm pull in that direction and, like I immediately knew within a minute everything I needed to know about how they controlled these worms, right, and it was all visual, biological, yep, and it was like, okay, cool.

01:07:53.070 --> 01:07:54.715
Yeah, show not tell, no plot hole.

01:07:54.715 --> 01:08:08.447
And there's something in the heart of mankind, too, that just gets ramped up, about people riding a wild shit, a wild, a wild steed yeah, it's like it's the moby dick fantasy.

01:08:08.467 --> 01:08:12.076
Yeah like yeah this big thing that I beat yeah.

01:08:12.175 --> 01:08:18.037
Or like the stallion it's untamed and the hero's on that thing now, oh yeah, heading to rescue like it just has that.

01:08:18.037 --> 01:08:26.037
Those vibes, I will say my, maybe one like critique would be like we never saw them dismount a worm.

01:08:26.037 --> 01:08:26.779
It's true.

01:08:26.779 --> 01:08:27.659
How do you pump the brakes?

01:08:27.659 --> 01:08:28.067
How do?

01:08:28.106 --> 01:08:28.729
you get off.

01:08:28.729 --> 01:08:29.667
How do?

01:08:29.667 --> 01:08:31.613
You get off the worm I think you know what I think it is.

01:08:31.613 --> 01:08:36.189
I think it's exactly like the uh conveyor belts at the airport.

01:08:36.189 --> 01:08:38.731
Yeah, Like you just are like standing on it.

01:08:38.731 --> 01:08:46.606
And then, as it comes to an end, you just do that big step off, big step, and then everyone's like all right, everybody stand up.

01:08:46.606 --> 01:08:52.628
And as the worm starts like curving down into the earth, you just big step off and kind of run it out.

01:08:52.769 --> 01:08:54.353
Yeah, because it's that, it's the, it's the.

01:08:54.353 --> 01:08:58.354
How does I understand how one athletic individual gets on the worm.

01:08:58.354 --> 01:09:06.127
I don't understand how you get a tent full of people on a worm or how you get off a worm and I don't care, like for the sake of the movie.

01:09:06.127 --> 01:09:10.442
I just was kind of like good point, like how do you not end up down in the sand?

01:09:10.923 --> 01:09:15.176
it's true, down, down there, like how do you just not end up like skipping across the sand like a stone?

01:09:15.376 --> 01:09:25.655
right, or like being carried into the dead, or maybe, I guess, as the as this, as because the sand is like moving through the, the mouth of the worm.

01:09:26.524 --> 01:09:27.871
I think it filters through it.

01:09:28.011 --> 01:09:28.192
Right.

01:09:28.192 --> 01:09:39.912
And so then, I guess, just as it enters down into the ground, the sand on the top of the worm is coming up and that's why the furmen always come up out of the sand, maybe because they just like got done riding the worm.

01:09:39.912 --> 01:09:42.091
Now they're buried like only two feet.

01:09:42.091 --> 01:09:43.413
They just pop out.

01:09:43.413 --> 01:09:44.136
I don't know.

01:09:44.136 --> 01:09:50.837
But anyways, the worm riding was from a cinematic aspect, was just cool to watch.

01:09:51.118 --> 01:09:54.730
It was sick and, like you said, dude, when those three worms come out of the smoke.

01:09:54.730 --> 01:09:56.715
That was baller.

01:09:56.715 --> 01:09:58.177
Oh yeah, that was insane.

01:09:59.046 --> 01:10:06.465
There was a couple scenes in this movie that made me think I'm going to get a print of that in a huge wall-sized poster.

01:10:06.465 --> 01:10:09.613
The three worms coming out were definitely one.

01:10:09.613 --> 01:10:19.975
The scene where, um, and we haven't even talked about the two big bad guys, right uh yeah um, but the uh, oh, what's his name?

01:10:19.975 --> 01:10:22.418
Oh, fade rafa fade rafa.

01:10:22.418 --> 01:10:33.631
When fade rafa and paul are crossing swords, there's like this super wide screen shot of them, silhouetted crossing knives yeah, and the sun dune in the background in the background like yeah, that's one.

01:10:33.690 --> 01:10:34.835
And then that one was one that I saw.

01:10:34.835 --> 01:10:36.951
I was like how did they make that look so clean?

01:10:36.951 --> 01:10:43.448
Yeah, it was very I 100 believe that is on another planet and that is the background of another planet.

01:10:43.488 --> 01:10:46.515
You know what I mean right and and there's lots of other things.

01:10:46.536 --> 01:10:59.038
Throughout the whole movie I was like I want to make that into a poster I think a big one for me, uh, and I I'm happy you mentioned that because I was like I could watch a whole movie on the harkonnen homeworld.

01:10:59.038 --> 01:11:00.885
I could watch a whole movie.

01:11:00.885 --> 01:11:04.293
Takes place on a planet with a black sun.

01:11:04.895 --> 01:11:10.030
Right and everything is that like gray scale color Cause, that was awesome.

01:11:10.030 --> 01:11:12.171
I thought those visuals were insane.

01:11:12.171 --> 01:11:15.453
Excuse me, I got yawn hiccups all of a sudden.

01:11:15.453 --> 01:11:22.837
I thought the like just immediately recognizing like first firework goes off.

01:11:22.837 --> 01:11:24.213
I'm like what's that inky smoke?

01:11:24.213 --> 01:11:24.578
And I was like wellwork goes off.

01:11:24.578 --> 01:11:25.216
I'm like what's that inky smoke?

01:11:25.216 --> 01:11:27.472
And I was like, well, actually I guess that makes sense.

01:11:27.472 --> 01:11:39.167
If this is the type of light your star is making, you wouldn't have fireworks because you wouldn't be able to see them Right, so you would have a negative Splotchworks, yeah, and I was like that's sick as hell.

01:11:39.167 --> 01:11:42.548
Yeah, like that whole play in it.

01:11:42.609 --> 01:11:48.253
I was like I could watch a full movie, like I could watch a whole 90 minutes to you know hour and a half.

01:11:48.253 --> 01:11:50.235
Wait, that's the same thing.

01:11:50.235 --> 01:12:13.400
Yeah, I could watch a whole 90 minutes to two hours taking place on like a story on the Harkonnen planet Right, where it's just that kind of aesthetic which was also just excellently done, like if you watch sin city, you can tell like this is a lot of post, uh, like post filming effects done to make this black and white and CGI look good.

01:12:13.400 --> 01:12:20.854
And you can even like, with that black and white you can clearly tell in a movie like sin city, like what is CGI?

01:12:20.854 --> 01:12:28.887
Whereas like again dude, like the set pieces, the Coliseum on that planet yeah, did not look cgi to me, right?

01:12:28.887 --> 01:12:33.278
Um, which I just thought was another, like you know, pretty impressive thing.

01:12:33.546 --> 01:12:53.509
Yeah, one critique in that area for me was and maybe throughout this is our was hard with sci-fi, because there is, the foundation of all sci-fi is star wars, yeah, but like they had like a Jabba the Hutt announcer as the essentially Jabba the Hutt character was being rolled out you know who's the fat man?

01:12:54.712 --> 01:12:54.971
Baron.

01:12:54.992 --> 01:12:57.398
Harkonnen, baron Harkonnen, yeah, like it was just funny.

01:12:57.398 --> 01:12:59.452
It just was like just use a different voice.

01:12:59.452 --> 01:13:04.228
Yeah, it was too Jabba, this is Star Wars, exactly.

01:13:04.228 --> 01:13:20.782
I was like all right, just back off the Star Wars, do your own thing hey to be fair, Star Wars was based off of Dune, I guess To be true, book-wise, the book came out before Well like George Lucas said, I wanted to do Dune, but a little bit lighter Right.

01:13:21.082 --> 01:13:22.063
So there's a good point.

01:13:22.063 --> 01:13:23.269
Good point there.

01:13:23.269 --> 01:13:26.708
They're allowed to rip from it some someone, like someone in their car, listening.

01:13:26.729 --> 01:13:28.171
This is like thank you.

01:13:28.171 --> 01:13:30.237
I've been telling people that for years.

01:13:32.109 --> 01:13:40.167
Anyways, um, um the okay, all right, here's my concern though here's my plot hole the worms drown in water.

01:13:40.328 --> 01:13:44.496
that's what we see revealed with the young worm when they get the water of life out of it.

01:13:44.496 --> 01:13:58.250
Right, paul has visions of his grown sister, aaliyah, on Arrakis slash Dune, with oceans, which means the worms are drowned.

01:13:58.250 --> 01:14:00.293
The oceans would kill the worms, which means the spice trade is done.

01:14:00.293 --> 01:14:21.969
Which means, for a lot of people who don't know, it's not very expressly stated, but the way they travel through space is with, like uber, spiced up people, people so spiced up they can literally plot points through space for faster than light travel is the spice also uses like fuel, or is it just for the calculators?

01:14:22.189 --> 01:14:23.734
I think it's just for the calculators.

01:14:27.625 --> 01:14:33.551
So without spice there'd be no space travel, unless you had worms moved on to another planet to make spice again, which would take thousands of years.

01:14:33.551 --> 01:14:42.293
So for me I'm just thinking of that and I'm like that's got to be something that they didn't overlook, that's got to be incorporated somehow into the plans of this story.

01:14:42.293 --> 01:14:47.091
Again, I haven't read all the books or anything, so it's hard for me to know like is that truly the end vision?

01:14:47.091 --> 01:14:51.318
Like eliminate the worms, eliminate the spice, eliminate war.

01:14:51.939 --> 01:14:53.666
Right, I don't know If it's.

01:14:53.666 --> 01:15:11.573
You know, it's basically like, just like a parallel theme here would be a sandy place with a highly lucrative substance in the ground that imperialistic countries that allows them to travel to the place.

01:15:11.573 --> 01:15:20.020
Yeah, that imperialistic countries will kill and war over in order to fuel their endeavors.

01:15:21.143 --> 01:15:36.720
Oh my, gosh yeah, oh, my gosh Dune is an allegory to the war over oil in the Middle East, with individuals who subscribe to a very intense religion of things right.

01:15:37.585 --> 01:15:59.101
So anyways, with all that being said is wood, from the Fremen perspective, the aboriginals of the planet, would the end goal to be to just go back to not having space travel and just having their own thing going on?

01:15:59.101 --> 01:16:00.246
I think it would Right.

01:16:00.265 --> 01:16:11.666
Right, I don't think they, I think they only know the worms, but I think they'd accept that in order to like, get their planet and freedom back the worms would die out Because.

01:16:11.846 --> 01:16:13.739
are Fremen interested in space travel?

01:16:13.962 --> 01:16:14.606
I don't think, so Are they?

01:16:14.627 --> 01:16:16.204
interested in having a Nalgene full of water.

01:16:16.204 --> 01:16:20.395
I mean at the end of the book they're like at the end of the book they're like let's go to space.

01:16:20.395 --> 01:16:21.417
Yeah, they do space travel.

01:16:21.417 --> 01:16:22.479
Mount to space yeah, they do space travel.

01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:23.219
Mount up yeah, they do.

01:16:23.219 --> 01:16:24.840
They do take the offensive at that point.

01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:31.212
But you know, it's like I think they'd be more interested in, like you know, a cup full of water than uh yeah, than uh space travel.

01:16:31.233 --> 01:16:33.099
So which also the first movie ends.

01:16:33.099 --> 01:16:37.853
The whole ending of the first movie is like after paul kills frayed ratha.

01:16:37.853 --> 01:16:40.619
Uh, literal thunderstorms.

01:16:40.619 --> 01:16:44.371
Clouds start like thunder and lightning and rain falls from the sky.

01:16:44.712 --> 01:16:45.434
That's the ending of the.

01:16:45.434 --> 01:16:46.949
Are you meaning Janus or whatever?

01:16:46.949 --> 01:16:49.411
Huh, you said Frey, frey Ratha.

01:16:49.411 --> 01:16:51.070
Isn't that the guy he just killed?

01:16:51.385 --> 01:16:52.770
Yeah, in the end of the first movie.

01:16:52.770 --> 01:16:54.300
Like the first original movie.

01:16:54.582 --> 01:16:56.030
Oh, like the Frank Herbert movie.

01:16:56.030 --> 01:16:58.805
Oh, the original movie With Kyle MacLachlan, okay, okay.

01:16:58.926 --> 01:17:02.872
Yeah, he has the fight with Fade Ratha, uh-huh.

01:17:02.872 --> 01:17:07.420
And once he kills him it's pretty messianic.

01:17:07.420 --> 01:17:11.672
I mean, it's straight out of the Bible, straight out of Lion King, like the stone.

01:17:12.025 --> 01:17:14.793
When the rain comes and restores the wilderness.

01:17:15.154 --> 01:17:15.695
Not what I mean.

01:17:15.695 --> 01:17:23.957
I mean out of the Bible the cloth is torn, the tabernacle is cracked and storms come overhead.

01:17:23.957 --> 01:17:31.203
Right, you know what I mean, and that's it's like it's exactly what's depicted in the bible when jesus dies on the cross.

01:17:31.203 --> 01:17:44.113
It's what happens when uh paul kills uh fade roth in the first movie, and then, you know, rain comes down and that's how it ends of like just this, like arrakis will now have a future of a paradise.

01:17:44.113 --> 01:17:52.992
So I wonder, though, like if that's what I don't know Again, like I said, I haven't read any of the books, but that's where I see the plot a little like it'll kill all the worms.

01:17:54.354 --> 01:17:54.856
That's true.

01:17:54.856 --> 01:17:57.354
We talked a lot about all these differences.

01:17:57.354 --> 01:18:02.828
One of the ones that I thought was just the most whack when I read it was Aaliyah.

01:18:02.828 --> 01:18:06.792
Paul's sister is born at this point in the books.

01:18:06.792 --> 01:18:17.230
She ages really quickly and she, as a two-year-old, assassinates Baron Harkonnen with the poison needle, the Gamjabar of the Bene?

01:18:17.230 --> 01:18:22.872
Gesserit, and sticks him and he dies, which I'm happy they didn't try to make that real.

01:18:22.872 --> 01:18:23.213
Like Chucky doll.

01:18:23.234 --> 01:18:24.885
Yeah, real hard, didn't try to make that real Like Chucky doll.

01:18:24.885 --> 01:18:26.692
Yeah, they've been real hard.

01:18:28.126 --> 01:18:34.055
They've been real hard to believe that Chani we talked about how she plays a much bigger role.

01:18:34.055 --> 01:18:42.654
But in the books she remains loyal to Paul and even as Paul takes the Empress as his wife, she willingly remains his concubine.

01:18:42.654 --> 01:18:50.917
She kind of just becomes like a yes man for him and cheers him on all the time, which is a pretty two-dimensional I guess.

01:18:50.917 --> 01:18:59.287
But also not letting her develop into that while having her so staunchly opposed is also kind of two-dimensional, right.

01:18:59.287 --> 01:19:04.878
I'd be interested to see like if she even gets screen time in the third movie because they have a child called let named leto and leto's kind of like a big deal.

01:19:04.878 --> 01:19:11.180
Screen time in the third movie because they have a child called let named leto and leto's kind of like a big deal, I guess, in the rest of the books and the.

01:19:11.942 --> 01:19:15.627
I feel like she doesn't believe him.

01:19:15.627 --> 01:19:34.916
Even she obviously doesn't believe he's the messiah, the messiah figure, the madi, but like the um, the scene before the big fight scene where he takes on frayed ratha, he, he does two things that are a big deal.

01:19:34.916 --> 01:19:41.914
He turns to her and he says as long as I breathe, I will love you because he knows, bro.

01:19:41.935 --> 01:19:45.493
Yeah, he knows if he wins this, he ain't gonna see her ass again.

01:19:45.493 --> 01:19:48.612
Yeah, and he knows if he loses, he's dead freaking dead right.

01:19:48.631 --> 01:20:02.389
So he just tells her like, as long as I believe, as long as I breathe, I, I will love you and he turns and then basically, the next thing he says is hey, christopher walken which I have something to say about that in a second too but, christopher walken, can I marry?

01:20:02.389 --> 01:20:03.931
I'll marry your daughter, yeah, right.

01:20:03.931 --> 01:20:05.296
And so it's like, and?

01:20:05.296 --> 01:20:23.295
And then he takes on this you know crazy, scary, psychopathic villain to fight him, and so the two things that happen he risks his life as well as pledges himself to marry somebody, but like she doesn't maybe see the bigger picture, or maybe she does, I don't know.

01:20:23.335 --> 01:20:59.197
Maybe I give enough credit, but it's just like I feel like throughout the whole thing, he is like kind of doing this thing of like, okay, I, you are the one, but I, unfortunately, unfortunately, I am god I have a, a bigger fish to fry, yeah, and like, and so it's like uh, I think it doesn't even show like a piece of her being torn, it just shows her at the end just being like eff it just pissed and bitter and she's like the only fremen to stay behind that's what I was wondering too I was like you're just gonna die on her, you're just gonna ride a worm till you die, like there's nothing else to do here.

01:20:59.886 --> 01:21:09.720
So that's what my question is like, for, since they have strayed so far from the books for the third part of this, will she be reincorporated?

01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:11.993
Will there be restoration there?

01:21:11.993 --> 01:21:13.689
Will she be like an arch enemy?

01:21:13.689 --> 01:21:15.454
Will she be both?

01:21:15.725 --> 01:21:19.895
I mean, they didn't really allude to her being pregnant at all by the end of this book.

01:21:19.895 --> 01:21:21.158
I mean by the end of this movie.

01:21:21.244 --> 01:21:22.686
Besides that, intercourse was had.

01:21:22.686 --> 01:21:25.189
Yeah Right, like that's all we know.

01:21:25.189 --> 01:21:26.569
Is they done, did it?

01:21:26.770 --> 01:21:37.462
Yeah, and I think the big thing is like, by the end of this book, like she's already given birth to Leto and so, like part of me wonders if he's just going to be like, yeah, that's it, she's done.

01:21:37.462 --> 01:21:44.212
She remained loyal to who she was as a character and Leto will, and let all just be born of paul and the empress I don't know.

01:21:44.333 --> 01:21:47.707
You know, and the there's six main dune books.

01:21:47.707 --> 01:21:49.251
There's 23.

01:21:49.251 --> 01:21:54.805
So there's six books made by the original author there's 23 overall dune books.

01:21:54.865 --> 01:22:01.887
Overall holy shit so also, like I all I know is too, is like after like the first book, it gets wild right.

01:22:01.887 --> 01:22:04.337
So like like, what is what's out there?

01:22:04.578 --> 01:22:19.578
what's the movie writers and directors plan for, like putting a cap on it and or like you know, letting it rest for 10 years, I don't know, but like, because it's such a big story, like where will they compress stuff and where will they, like, launch it forward and where they leave stuff out?

01:22:19.578 --> 01:22:24.130
Because I doubt that they're following book for book no way, right, I think I think it's.

01:22:24.230 --> 01:22:25.592
I think they're following book for book.

01:22:25.592 --> 01:22:26.734
No way, right.

01:22:26.734 --> 01:22:30.539
I think they're going to end it like maybe maybe somewhere after the second book.

01:22:30.539 --> 01:22:34.015
But even then the second book is wild, from what I understand.

01:22:34.015 --> 01:22:40.815
Like I heard spoilers folks I heard Paul turns into like a fucking worm human hybrid.

01:22:40.815 --> 01:22:49.769
Wow, yeah, so like he does so much spice, he turns wormy and like I was just like pretty intense dog.

01:22:49.769 --> 01:22:53.445
But these, these books, that's pretty out that would be hard to sell to an audience.

01:22:53.466 --> 01:22:59.408
Yeah, these books were started to be written in the mid 60s through like oh, and frank herbert did a shitload of lst.

01:22:59.429 --> 01:23:18.277
Yeah, I was about to say like a lot if you're not seeing the trend on like some like total, like 60s dude writing this thing and like apparently the whole book is a like the spice melange and all that is like allegory to the how like shrooms are like the most essential element of our ecosystem.

01:23:18.277 --> 01:23:29.552
Right, and I'm just like, maybe you only adapted so far and you accept that, like the rest of it, is best left to people who do shrooms, which will never be the majority of the population.

01:23:29.814 --> 01:23:30.073
Yeah.

01:23:31.506 --> 01:23:38.253
That said, though, I see we had a lot of trivia theories here, and I was hoping you could kind of get into those.

01:23:38.253 --> 01:23:41.253
Yeah, you know, because you read through a lot of these.

01:23:42.284 --> 01:23:44.216
Yeah, no, I think these get into some of the like.

01:23:44.216 --> 01:23:49.954
These are the trivia here's like more around, like actor specific, outside of the story stuff.

01:23:49.954 --> 01:24:05.546
But, um, you know, from within the movie here I feel like they've had these, you know, and I haven't looked up if people are upset or happy with the movies the big dune fans now, of course you're always gonna have people going both ways.

01:24:05.546 --> 01:24:24.011
But, um, just from like the, I feel like they're giving it credit where credits do, on the like the size and scale, the huge casting, the huge production, like the huge cinematic piece given like and like, giving a good story like and so like.

01:24:24.011 --> 01:24:33.529
There's, while it's straying from probably some of the lore and some of the things, like there really seems to be, you know, doing a good job of, of putting something to film.

01:24:33.529 --> 01:24:41.649
Um, my only, the only really weird big miss for me, is christopher walken is the emperor.

01:24:42.149 --> 01:24:43.712
Yeah, I liked it really.

01:24:43.712 --> 01:24:44.574
I mean it.

01:24:44.574 --> 01:24:46.398
I like he had, like what?

01:24:46.497 --> 01:24:52.896
five lines, so it wasn't like he could mess it up, right, well, but he talked like christopher walking, did he?

01:24:52.896 --> 01:25:10.677
And he would slip in and out of his like full walking, or like into, like, like yeah, and then like be like he'd like slip in, oh yeah like I'm exactly, like he would go full walk-in and then like into, like a regal voice too, but Arrakis, exactly.

01:25:10.677 --> 01:25:16.153
And so, yeah, Arrakis, or whatever he's like, you know, spice melange, exactly.

01:25:16.153 --> 01:25:18.091
It just was like I don't know man.

01:25:25.685 --> 01:25:26.547
Like it'd be better to have a no-name.

01:25:26.547 --> 01:25:27.029
Old old name.

01:25:27.029 --> 01:25:27.490
Old old man up there.

01:25:27.490 --> 01:25:28.293
Maybe I I don't know I liked it.

01:25:28.314 --> 01:25:29.578
I mean I didn't like I guess I didn't like it, I didn't care.

01:25:29.578 --> 01:25:30.582
What I love is some of these reddit posts.

01:25:30.582 --> 01:25:34.090
One of them goes does christopher walken know that he is in a dune movie?

01:25:36.394 --> 01:25:47.896
and then like from there it gets like, it just goes on from there, but it's like so people were people just roasting it because he was he like they just felt like he didn't act like they felt, like he didn't give it an effort to disguise himself.

01:25:48.024 --> 01:25:54.110
So he filmed all of his scenes in two weeks, yeah, which this movie took a long time to make.

01:25:54.110 --> 01:26:01.354
Also, it's like he's old, he's at this point so typecat, like it's any movie where there's certain people.

01:26:01.354 --> 01:26:27.208
So, for instance, the success of something like star wars was that, like we didn't have a lot of preconceived notions of who those people were, and now you have a big star cast right, which is fine, but like christopher walken is just so iconic, like it wasn't christopher walken playing the emperor, it was the Emperor Of Dune is Christopher Walken.

01:26:27.208 --> 01:26:33.430
That's what it does, right, and so it was just this For me, like I mean the President of America Was Donald Trump.

01:26:33.449 --> 01:26:45.707
So yeah, but like, what I'm saying is Like the difference between like, when you cast a character, this, this person is supposed to play that character right, and just like because he's so iconic, it's just like.

01:26:45.707 --> 01:26:48.560
Yeah, I think you might as well have had donald trump be the emperor.

01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:49.867
People that would have been awesome.

01:26:49.886 --> 01:26:58.787
People would have loved it more because they would have hated him more, loved him more on both sides of it, and so for me that was the only thing, because the, the movie, the movie opened up with his face.

01:26:58.787 --> 01:27:05.359
I think, like, like, like, maybe I think it opened up with his face and I was just was like, what the hell am I watching?

01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:06.869
Like what are they doing.

01:27:06.869 --> 01:27:07.332
It's awesome.

01:27:07.332 --> 01:27:11.896
You know, I put my pants on like every other man, two feet at a time.

01:27:12.426 --> 01:27:13.006
But when, I do?

01:27:13.469 --> 01:27:15.654
I make gold records, you know, like, just like.

01:27:16.625 --> 01:27:27.349
Side note in college, whenever we were doing our Christopher Walken impersonation, my buddy and I we'd always just start with it was a video somewhere some actor was doing his impersonation.

01:27:27.349 --> 01:27:35.538
He's like, yeah, I just say over and over to myself pineapple and fart the way christopher walken would, until I'm like convinced it's christopher walken.

01:27:35.538 --> 01:27:43.916
Like pineapple fart, yeah, but pineapple like it's like.

01:27:43.916 --> 01:27:55.490
It's like you just keep doing it until, like, you work out like where the hiccups are and you're in it, bro, oh yeah but I love it and, like uh, one of my favorite videos I've seen lately is actually of uh dave grohl.

01:27:56.073 --> 01:27:57.314
The yeah, he does do a good job.

01:27:57.314 --> 01:27:59.806
He does a good job, but he just talks about he's like.

01:27:59.887 --> 01:28:06.631
He's like back when, like nirvana, or back when uh fooers was on SNL for the first time he's like Christopher Walken was hosting.

01:28:06.631 --> 01:28:12.534
He came up to me and he's like hey, you know where's the emphasis?

01:28:12.534 --> 01:28:13.750
Is it on Foo or Fighters?

01:28:13.750 --> 01:28:15.291
He's like, oh, it's on Fighters.

01:28:15.586 --> 01:28:39.250
And so he's like, and he told because Dave Grohl knew how Christopher Walken talks to the point where he told him where the emphasis was as a joke and he's like, he's like and uh, tonight we have the foo fighters I didn't watch that video, bro, and I thought it was so funny because you don't want to be like fighters, you know.

01:28:39.270 --> 01:28:45.828
You didn't want to emphasize the foo, yeah and like the fact that, uh, there's just no emphasis, it's the foo fighters, you know, like, but it's just foo yeah.

01:28:45.828 --> 01:28:48.273
And the fact that there's just no emphasis it's the foo fighters, yeah, but it's just foo fighters, yeah.

01:28:48.273 --> 01:28:48.894
So, anyways, walken for me.

01:28:48.894 --> 01:28:49.895
I love Christopher Walken.

01:28:49.895 --> 01:28:52.220
It just pulled me out of a sci-fi flick.

01:28:52.220 --> 01:28:53.630
That's all I'm saying.

01:28:53.649 --> 01:29:01.731
Well, you know what, maybe I got to watch it again just for that, because I think he was on screen more than he was talking.

01:29:01.731 --> 01:29:02.353
You know what I mean?

01:29:02.353 --> 01:29:10.051
Yeah, so I think there's a lot like where I just probably wasn't thinking like, oh, that's just Christopher Walken talking.

01:29:10.051 --> 01:29:16.384
Side note, if you love Christopher Walken, one of the best movies I think to watch is the Irishman.

01:29:16.384 --> 01:29:18.287
I mean that's good.

01:29:18.408 --> 01:29:20.935
But I was thinking of the.

01:29:20.935 --> 01:29:21.917
It's not the Irishman.

01:29:22.064 --> 01:29:23.408
Seven Psychopaths.

01:29:24.192 --> 01:29:24.493
Oh yeah.

01:29:25.073 --> 01:29:27.613
What is it called Like Seven Psychopaths in the Desert or something like that?

01:29:27.613 --> 01:29:33.707
It's with Colin Farrell and Sam Can't remember his name.

01:29:33.707 --> 01:29:40.817
I'll look it up, but Christopher Walken just like absolutely excellent in that movie.

01:29:40.817 --> 01:29:53.234
I mean it has, like some of his best Christopher Walken lines Sam Rockwell, Christopher Walken, Colin Farrellody harrelson yeah pretty studded cast um, but anyways, uh, all right, bro, I get it.

01:29:53.234 --> 01:29:54.801
You can have one thing that you didn't like about it.

01:29:54.822 --> 01:29:55.425
Okay, that's all.

01:29:55.425 --> 01:29:57.288
That's fair, and I love christopher walken.

01:29:57.288 --> 01:29:59.975
It just was like what am I watching right now?

01:30:00.976 --> 01:30:01.457
that's funny.

01:30:01.457 --> 01:30:02.667
That's funny.

01:30:02.667 --> 01:30:05.875
Um, all righty, uh, give me this trivia dude.

01:30:05.875 --> 01:30:08.990
All right, etymology I see arabic etymology here.

01:30:09.131 --> 01:30:09.895
Yeah, just basically.

01:30:09.895 --> 01:30:13.246
Uh, you know they're, they're speaking this wild language throughout the whole.

01:30:13.246 --> 01:30:42.329
Uh, um, exactly, and so, uh, the term madi, which is, um, the what they call Paul's character, it's an Arabic word that means divine guidance, and so, like a messiah, divine guidance, and so the language that the Fremen used throughout the novels derives from Arabic, but also contains some French, greek, slavic, other things that they throw in there.

01:30:42.329 --> 01:30:46.095
They also had alterations of Hebrew and Sanskrit.

01:30:46.095 --> 01:30:48.092
So you know, basically.

01:30:48.404 --> 01:30:51.152
It makes sense when, in the future, there's people named Duncan Idaho.

01:30:51.192 --> 01:30:52.595
Yeah, that was like you know what.

01:30:52.615 --> 01:30:55.313
I mean, it makes sense that's such a wild name.

01:30:55.313 --> 01:30:58.554
But it's not that wild when you think about what we name people today.

01:30:58.975 --> 01:31:06.002
Right, but the fact that, like that name held on for 10,000 years or whatever, the fact that that name held on for 10,000 years, or whatever Dunes said.

01:31:09.524 --> 01:31:14.113
I guarantee you if you went back to a couple decades after Paris was made and you're like, yeah, there's a literal celebrity whose first name is Paris.

01:31:14.113 --> 01:31:15.655
People would be like, why would you do that?

01:31:15.655 --> 01:31:17.118
You know what I mean, Right?

01:31:17.118 --> 01:31:21.327
I think Dunk in Idaho makes sense.

01:31:21.346 --> 01:31:44.578
I think an idea of a melting pot of languages makes sense right and it makes sense for like the, the way that this, like we're saying earlier about kind of the themes of this movie setting up to like where we live, is, like you know, yeah, it's a, it seems to be, you know, a middle eastern culture, right, and so you got that stuff based in arabic.

01:31:44.578 --> 01:31:57.252
Um, we haven't talked a lot about stellan, uh, scars guard's character, which, still in scars guard, we uh, the last movie we reviewed with him in it was morbius.

01:31:57.252 --> 01:31:59.055
No, he wasn't in.

01:31:59.055 --> 01:31:59.497
That was it.

01:31:59.497 --> 01:32:00.158
I thought he was.

01:32:00.158 --> 01:32:03.311
He was the only person worth a dang in the whole thing.

01:32:03.431 --> 01:32:04.654
Was he actually a scientist?

01:32:04.654 --> 01:32:04.814
He was.

01:32:04.814 --> 01:32:06.018
He was the doctor.

01:32:06.018 --> 01:32:09.252
Oh my gosh dude, and he was so underutilized, right.

01:32:09.565 --> 01:32:21.216
So this guy big time I mean he's just like I'd say this guy's not even he's not a big time actor, in that he's on anybody's radar, who's maybe not someone who's, you know, he's big.

01:32:25.645 --> 01:32:26.407
Meaning like he's not a household name.

01:32:26.407 --> 01:32:27.911
I think he is for a certain generation, I think for our parents.

01:32:27.911 --> 01:32:28.072
I don't.

01:32:28.072 --> 01:32:48.953
I don't think you and I realize it, but I think all of our parents respect him right because of, like the things he's done, acting wise, I think for you and I it's like he's just he's just not zeitgeist enough for, like all of us, to know who he is and grow up with him as a household name, like we did with brad pitt, leonardo dicaprio well, you know what I mean.

01:32:49.073 --> 01:32:49.695
That's what I think.

01:32:49.695 --> 01:33:07.037
I don't know, like he just hasn't been a huge that I know of, like a huge leading role yeah, I don't think he's ever done leading roles really that's what I mean meaning he's not a huge leading man, lead man, but he is a like supporting a killer support role in me.

01:33:07.037 --> 01:33:08.166
So, like you know, you have your.

01:33:08.166 --> 01:33:17.094
Uh, I think, like I was saying, like a soccer team got your lionel messi's right, just just you know they're the striker, they're putting it in the goal.

01:33:17.755 --> 01:33:38.194
But then also, like there's that guy who plays left wing who's like never scored a goal but his assist count is out the wazoo you know, like someone's got to pass the ball into the guy who knocks it in the net and like that's what he he is, that he is the um, he is that guy in the way that he is.

01:33:38.194 --> 01:33:49.100
Um, he really never takes the lead spotlight, but he is just a master craft actor who, um, who brings a ton to the screen bro.

01:33:49.164 --> 01:33:49.867
Okay, all right, hold on.

01:33:49.867 --> 01:33:50.488
I gotta credit.

01:33:50.488 --> 01:33:58.917
He was not in morbius, he wasn't, he was a scientist in the thor movie in the thor movies, oh, okay he's in those, but I don't think he was in.

01:33:58.917 --> 01:34:01.789
Yeah, he wasn't in morbius I thought who was it?

01:34:02.430 --> 01:34:02.952
who was in?

01:34:02.952 --> 01:34:11.444
More, there's a different guy in morbius who's very similar to him, who's also not a very big deal guy we don't need to know, though we don't need to, I don't want to go.

01:34:11.444 --> 01:34:24.288
Look at that movie again anyways, that character, um, he is, um, his makeup took eight hours to put on and two hours to take off.

01:34:24.288 --> 01:34:30.145
That's 10 hours of time just before you've even, you know, without even filming anything, right?

01:34:32.009 --> 01:34:36.599
I did think he was great in like he was in Good Will Hunting.

01:34:36.599 --> 01:34:41.125
He was in Hunt for Red October, like.

01:34:41.125 --> 01:34:44.775
Those are some of the first movies I can recall him being in that I saw.

01:34:51.204 --> 01:34:52.167
Oh, dude, here's the thing that unsettled me.

01:34:52.167 --> 01:34:52.448
What go ahead?

01:34:52.448 --> 01:34:53.993
I'm thinking of jared harris, oh, yeah, yeah you know, yep, he's very much also.

01:34:53.993 --> 01:34:58.327
He's that same guy who's like he's never the big lead man, but he, he wasn't.

01:34:58.847 --> 01:35:03.577
he was in the hbo miniseries for chobyl, which?

01:35:03.636 --> 01:35:07.219
also was Stellan Skarsgård.

01:35:07.219 --> 01:35:09.671
He was opposite Stellan Skarsgård that whole movie.

01:35:09.791 --> 01:35:21.252
But Stellan Skarsgård character in this, I think, was so unsettling to me because it reminded me of how sinister he was in the movie the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

01:35:21.252 --> 01:35:22.708
Have you seen that movie?

01:35:22.708 --> 01:35:24.747
I actually haven't seen it, bro.

01:35:24.747 --> 01:35:30.046
I'm not going to say another word, I just want you to know the red part of the book, bro.

01:35:30.649 --> 01:35:33.136
It's insane how dark that movie gets.

01:35:33.136 --> 01:35:36.194
To me, it was unreal.

01:35:36.194 --> 01:35:39.113
That's a movie you watch once and you're like I watched it.

01:35:39.113 --> 01:35:43.395
Yeah, it was good, but I don't ever need to watch it again.

01:35:43.395 --> 01:35:46.121
You know what I mean.

01:35:46.121 --> 01:35:49.190
Billie Jean and it was good, but like I don't ever need to watch it again.

01:35:49.190 --> 01:35:49.893
You know what I mean?

01:35:49.893 --> 01:35:55.307
Um, billy jean and I saw it and I think we were both like that was so good but so dark, uh, and just don't need to watch that a second time.

01:35:55.307 --> 01:35:57.493
Um, okay, but all right.

01:35:57.533 --> 01:36:10.771
So, yeah, his makeup took a freaking long time, which is believable because he's not that fat no, it was 40 kilos of like just rubber seat right, which that's like 80 pounds, 80 plus, yeah, pounds.

01:36:10.771 --> 01:36:23.188
It's like that's crazy to put that much weight on, which he said actually helped him play the role, because he's like this helped me like be burdened and be like what I I need anti-gravity to get around.

01:36:23.188 --> 01:36:38.341
And the next guy you know, as far as trivia goes, like the main guy who was getting like attention in this, was Austin Butler and you know his big I think his big breakout role was Elvis.

01:36:38.341 --> 01:36:40.876
Yeah, I think that was his big one.

01:36:40.876 --> 01:36:52.412
You know big one that he did and he plays the I keep forgetting all these names of these people Fade Ratha, fade Ratha, he plays Fade Ratha and the he.

01:36:52.412 --> 01:36:53.295
It's funny.

01:36:53.295 --> 01:36:54.328
Have you ever heard him do his?

01:36:54.328 --> 01:36:56.475
Well, have you seen Elvis?

01:36:57.125 --> 01:36:58.850
I have seen I couldn't finish it.

01:36:58.850 --> 01:37:00.055
I turned it off halfway.

01:37:00.385 --> 01:37:06.658
So, but like the, he can just like pull his voice into elvis yeah, it's pretty impressive.

01:37:06.677 --> 01:37:09.250
It was so good we did a great elvis impersonation.

01:37:09.289 --> 01:37:23.639
So in the same way like he, I think you know he takes his craft fairly seriously and that like he went and took vocal training to sound more like stellan skarsgard, to be like his son or his, you know like his, his nephew he did a really good job.

01:37:24.742 --> 01:37:31.134
Uh, that like guttural, like rumbling of a it's.

01:37:31.134 --> 01:37:47.177
It's essentially like if this is the way I think about it is like it's like throat singing, where if you hum and open your mouth while humming, I think like he learned how to do that subtly while talking yeah and uh also.

01:37:47.198 --> 01:37:48.926
What I liked about was I didn't realize that was him.

01:37:48.926 --> 01:37:52.115
I've seen him in other stuff and I didn't realize it was him till like fair.

01:37:52.225 --> 01:38:03.368
Well, no eyebrows bald painted white and just and like, and his voice was so different and, like, you know, I couldn't, I didn't know who it was, which was good, because then all he was was fade rocker.

01:38:03.387 --> 01:38:12.118
He was just this eat this, this evil character, um, he put on 25 pounds of muscle, which is which is a lot of muscle for us, for a small guy.

01:38:12.118 --> 01:38:26.636
Yeah, um, and the I guess he's like a method actor guy, right, and he, he said that for this he chose not to be method because it was too dark of a role to sit in for that long, because it would.

01:38:26.636 --> 01:38:37.590
He just said it wouldn't be healthy for my family, my friends, for me, um, and then the director, uh, who said uh, um, he said when the camera was on, it was like you were possessed.

01:38:37.590 --> 01:38:53.564
When the camera was off, you were still maybe 25 or 30% like possessed, and so he's like it was like just enough to that you wouldn't like kill anybody off camera, um, and so I think that he's gotten a lot of attention for his role in this.

01:38:53.564 --> 01:39:01.470
I think I don't know if I was personally that impressed by his performance of being an evil guy I mean, I thought he was an evil dude.

01:39:01.489 --> 01:39:05.186
I just like also think, like you can only do so much right, you know.

01:39:05.186 --> 01:39:06.969
I mean like what else what?

01:39:06.969 --> 01:39:08.451
How much further could you take it?

01:39:08.451 --> 01:39:08.992
Yeah?

01:39:09.011 --> 01:39:11.454
but, like I mean, I mean I thought he was an evil dude.

01:39:11.454 --> 01:39:13.377
I just also think you can only do so much Right.

01:39:13.377 --> 01:39:13.997
You know what I mean?

01:39:14.018 --> 01:39:14.939
How much further could you take it?

01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:17.443
Yeah, by kissing your uncle on the lips and then looking at the camera.

01:39:17.443 --> 01:39:18.784
Do you remember that scene?

01:39:18.784 --> 01:39:28.947
No, there's a scene where the big head, honcho, he's coming down in his anti-gravity suit and kisses him on the lips and then he kisses him back and then has this weird like he turns.

01:39:28.947 --> 01:39:32.978
He doesn't fully look at the camera but turns and just has this weird like half smirk huh of like I'm about like it.

01:39:32.978 --> 01:39:36.408
Just it was weird and creepy, but anyways that's funny.

01:39:36.448 --> 01:39:38.136
I don't remember that that scene was.

01:39:38.216 --> 01:39:46.947
I remember it seemed just like that was very unsettling what I just watched, and it turns out that scene was actually, uh, um, improvised, like it just happened out that way.

01:39:46.947 --> 01:39:49.594
I'm like all right it, it worked, I felt.

01:39:49.814 --> 01:39:50.055
I felt.

01:39:50.055 --> 01:39:56.649
Still, skarsgård was like watch this, I'll kiss him and he won't know what to do, and then, like he kissed him back he was like all right, well, now what do we do?

01:39:56.668 --> 01:40:00.055
yeah, he was like uh, he flew the counter-attack.

01:40:00.055 --> 01:40:14.101
Yeah, um, and with all this work on the sand nowadays with cgi, like you can do anything, but at the same time, the the more you can keep it all in the production.

01:40:14.243 --> 01:40:31.055
It is so much better of a movie and they had to have you know, anytime you're working in snow or sand or mud, you really have to have super strict discipline around uh, cast and crew, because a movie like this you have hundreds, if not a thousand people like around the scene.

01:40:31.055 --> 01:40:33.627
If it's just a scene of two people there, right.

01:40:33.627 --> 01:40:50.680
So on these sand dune scenes they had to have like crazy strict um rules on who's walking where and they were also really planning all their shots on where the sun, because the sun is a huge, the sun takes a huge role in this movie too, right, and so like, yeah, especially like for continuity, Right?

01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:51.225
You know what I mean.

01:40:51.865 --> 01:40:57.358
And just these like crazy scenes of this, just this super orange, wild looking world.

01:40:57.358 --> 01:41:07.570
And so they had to, you know, plan every shot very meticulously around when and where the sun was rising, on what sand dune to get the most crazy effect.

01:41:07.570 --> 01:41:14.690
And you know, like when you're on a movie set, there's constantly people in and out fixing hair, resetting.

01:41:14.690 --> 01:41:18.559
They shoot the same scene 20, 40 times and you have to.

01:41:18.559 --> 01:41:27.551
The sand dune would look like a tourist site, right, and so they had to just like really have huge discipline around that, which is a very hard thing to do.

01:41:27.551 --> 01:41:38.550
And then also they had to have a pretty uh, serious crew to re, like they'd come out with like rakes and then blowers and make the sand dune look like no one had stepped on it in ages again.

01:41:38.550 --> 01:41:50.640
And um, every movie has that where people reset and doing design on set design, but like, to do that in the sand every day, all day, would be such a huge undertaking.

01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:51.546
And they did.

01:41:51.546 --> 01:42:06.256
They did a really good job, I think, at that where I was thinking about that, the whole movie I was just thinking about this would be a nightmare to film all these, all these footprints, and so you know the last little little, I think piece of trivia would be.

01:42:06.817 --> 01:42:09.770
We've talked about him a few times, steven spielberg the great master.

01:42:09.770 --> 01:42:15.791
Here's what he he told to um dene vilanevu, which was um.

01:42:15.791 --> 01:42:19.300
He said this is a desert loving story.

01:42:19.300 --> 01:42:24.490
But for such a desert loving film, there was such a yearning for water in this movie.

01:42:24.490 --> 01:42:34.858
For all the sand you have in this film, it's really about water, the sacred waters that are yearning for green meadows and the blue water of life.

01:42:34.858 --> 01:42:38.836
You film the desert to resemble an ocean, a sea.

01:42:38.836 --> 01:42:48.529
The sandworms were like sea serpents and the scene surfing the sandworms is one of the greatest things I have ever seen, ever.

01:42:48.529 --> 01:42:51.895
But you made the desert look like liquid, so like.

01:42:51.895 --> 01:42:56.653
Could you imagine being this director and being told that by that guy?

01:42:56.894 --> 01:43:01.105
yeah, no, I mean, I thought it was cool, greatest scenes I've ever seen.

01:43:01.105 --> 01:43:12.328
Ever that scene, I don't know, I don't think so I I know, but like you, remember when the animatronic t-rex walked through the fence and you were like, oh, so they brought dinosaurs back for this movie, right?

01:43:13.091 --> 01:43:15.456
I know, I know, but hey, I didn't say it.

01:43:15.576 --> 01:43:25.837
Spielberg did like, just like, just the level of compliment on that, you know, just to be like you have arrived yeah, no, that's definitely for sure, like, and I definitely think it was awesome and it was very well done.

01:43:25.837 --> 01:43:29.431
Like I said, you totally forget you're watching something that's not real.

01:43:29.431 --> 01:43:32.859
I just thought there was bigger.

01:43:32.859 --> 01:43:33.768
I mean you know what?

01:43:33.768 --> 01:43:37.993
The scene that made me forget, like dumbfounded, shocked.

01:43:37.993 --> 01:43:45.639
The glass like smooth, perfectly reflecting glass sphere of the Emperor's ship.

01:43:46.949 --> 01:43:48.765
The shot from under coming up at it.

01:43:48.824 --> 01:44:01.664
Yeah, and the way that flew over everything and I was like I believe this is real, because there is no part of me that has seen this reflected CGI, thinking that's CGI.

01:44:01.664 --> 01:44:05.456
I saw that and I was like no part of that was fake.

01:44:05.456 --> 01:44:08.805
That is exactly what that would look like Either.

01:44:08.845 --> 01:44:11.755
this is an insanely accurate miniature.

01:44:13.095 --> 01:44:13.885
Yeah, that is how it felt.

01:44:13.885 --> 01:44:20.018
I was like I'm watching one of the best filmed at 240 FPS miniatures I've ever seen.

01:44:20.625 --> 01:44:27.734
Or this took 838 hours to render no individuals CGI.

01:44:27.734 --> 01:44:29.226
You know, on their keyboards.

01:44:29.407 --> 01:44:36.132
It was insanely well done, get it done yeah, that was, I think I think that shot of the mirror ship that got me that.

01:44:36.132 --> 01:44:37.356
That was like the most.

01:44:37.356 --> 01:45:01.529
That was the first time I think I really have seen cgi and like since losing the like just acceptance of a naive child, right, like you as a kid you think Daphne from Scooby-Doo is real and you got a shot right like yeah, but like you know, you know, I mean like there's a day you come to realize like cartoons and CGI is not real, right, and but then that's like when Uncanny Valley creeps in.

01:45:01.529 --> 01:45:20.664
And for me I really do think that mirror ship is, oddly enough, like better than all the avatars I've seen, better than the Planet of the Apes, monkey, cgi, like that mirror ball was the first time my brain was like I know that can't be real, right, because it's wrapping.

01:45:20.805 --> 01:45:23.654
But that is not Uncanny Valley, right?

01:45:23.654 --> 01:45:26.213
That is exactly what I believe it would look like.

01:45:26.213 --> 01:45:33.859
However, I know there's no way it's real because we don't have, you know, things the size of like Manhattan.

01:45:34.059 --> 01:45:34.238
Yeah.

01:45:35.265 --> 01:45:37.332
Perfectly smooth, flying over a desert.

01:45:38.405 --> 01:45:42.436
And the fact that it's round, so that the reflection is wrapping around it.

01:45:42.436 --> 01:45:44.351
I mean, it's like I saw that too.

01:45:44.351 --> 01:45:47.011
I was just was like holy smokes yeah.

01:45:47.030 --> 01:45:49.818
That was unreal, all right.

01:45:49.818 --> 01:45:55.475
Well, let's give our thoughts Also not really any goofs, because that's just how tight the movie was.

01:45:55.475 --> 01:46:05.755
Yeah, like there was some like such nitpicky, like sometimes they have their goggles on and then the next scene shows them with no goggles on.

01:46:05.755 --> 01:46:10.729
The goggles are around their neck and I'm like dude, they don't need to show us.

01:46:10.729 --> 01:46:11.692
Pull the goggles off.

01:46:12.154 --> 01:46:12.314
Right.

01:46:12.354 --> 01:46:12.836
You know what I mean.

01:46:13.604 --> 01:46:18.416
And some of those were even like the extra goggles were up and then down.

01:46:18.416 --> 01:46:25.779
It's like, okay, calm down, but it was nothing enough to pull you out of the movie fully, unless you were literally a continuity.

01:46:26.104 --> 01:46:32.878
Well, this is like I don't, even if I turn around and I turn back and you have your sunglasses on, I'm not like oh, that's continuity error.

01:46:32.878 --> 01:46:35.081
I'm just like okay, he put his sunglasses on.

01:46:35.121 --> 01:46:35.564
Right.

01:46:35.564 --> 01:46:51.707
So my aunt, her job on movies with James Cameron was continuity errors, yeah Right, and things like that and scanning through it, like I'd understand if she had a had to be then had a bone to pick yeah, she's cursed.

01:46:51.707 --> 01:46:53.671
She cannot watch a movie and be happy anymore thing.

01:46:53.671 --> 01:46:55.115
She's screwed.

01:46:55.115 --> 01:47:01.713
But the um, the uh um and continuity stuff not really there.

01:47:01.713 --> 01:47:02.895
And then plot holes.

01:47:02.895 --> 01:47:08.011
You know you brought up some, but really nothing that was like unexplained.

01:47:08.011 --> 01:47:10.778
No big picture things were unexplained throughout where you go.

01:47:10.778 --> 01:47:16.865
Like I don't understand how they got from point a to point b on this, on this story, you know yeah it was.

01:47:16.905 --> 01:47:24.029
They had a tight package on it I, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do something, something that we haven't done before.

01:47:24.029 --> 01:47:52.329
All right, I'm going to say Dune Part 2 gets a very strong thumb up for me, but the Dune Denis Villeneuve movies as a whole of watching Part 1 and Part 2, to me is two thumbs up overall Because I just don't think you can watch part two and fully appreciate it with that, like I do think part two it there's no recap.

01:47:52.992 --> 01:47:53.131
Right.

01:47:53.152 --> 01:47:53.592
You know what I mean.

01:47:53.592 --> 01:47:57.564
So, like I think, because of that it can't be its own thing on its own Right.

01:47:57.564 --> 01:48:00.512
So it gets a thumb up for a continuation.

01:48:01.095 --> 01:48:01.796
It's not a sequel.

01:48:01.796 --> 01:48:04.391
It is a continuation of the story.

01:48:04.452 --> 01:48:04.934
It's exactly.

01:48:04.934 --> 01:48:12.680
But I think, overall, the two parts together, I can say because in my eyes, two thumbs are like you must watch this.

01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:29.072
Right, you got to watch it, you got to give it a shot and I can't say you should only watch one part and not the other, like I can't give either of them two thumbs up full, gotta watch this without doing it as a whole.

01:48:29.072 --> 01:48:34.364
So my, my conclusion is that both of them each get a thumb up independently, but as a whole story, two thumbs up.

01:48:34.364 --> 01:48:46.613
I do think this is like if you enjoy films, if you enjoy good stories, uh, complete, fleshed out lore and uh, well-paced, um, entertainment.

01:48:46.613 --> 01:48:48.337
Two thumbs up, man, you got to watch it.

01:48:48.337 --> 01:48:53.395
Yeah, I don't think you can, especially if you call yourself like a real movie guru, a cinephile.

01:48:53.395 --> 01:48:54.498
You got to watch it.

01:48:54.498 --> 01:49:00.833
Uh, that's how it's going to be talked about for the next 60 years, just as much as, like the original Dune was talked about.

01:49:01.054 --> 01:49:06.927
Right, original dune was talked about.

01:49:06.927 --> 01:49:11.243
Right, if you and I agree in that if, if you are someone who likes movies, consider yourself a movie buff type thing, yes, this is a top of the list.

01:49:11.243 --> 01:49:12.326
If you haven't seen it, you gotta see it.

01:49:12.326 --> 01:49:25.212
If you are a, I'm gonna say, if you're a mom like like the mom, like like the classic mom who just like watches a movie and doesn't know what's going on the whole time, it's a one thumb up like you can watch it also.

01:49:25.212 --> 01:49:33.698
Just stop asking questions during the middle of it, because, gosh, I hope the movie tells us right, right, because there's, because there's so much why are they doing that?

01:49:33.939 --> 01:49:34.000
I?

01:49:34.039 --> 01:49:37.894
hope they show us right there's, there's a lot of inferring.

01:49:37.894 --> 01:49:51.301
You have to do, yeah, in both movies, like you have to, really kind of like you have to personally be actively, you know, putting together the um, the ins and outs, what's happening what's not happening?

01:49:51.301 --> 01:49:52.184
Who's what why?

01:49:52.224 --> 01:49:53.567
is this here, what's happening now.

01:49:53.567 --> 01:50:02.490
Like you, it's it's active viewership in that sense, and you will just watch it and be like I don't know really what just happened.

01:50:02.490 --> 01:50:08.617
Besides, it was cinematic and eye candy or good movie, but I don't know what's going on.

01:50:08.617 --> 01:50:10.404
So you know, I think that you know.

01:50:10.404 --> 01:50:19.010
So if you're someone who's like, if you're a consumer of things like this, yes, it's right up your alley I still think it's just a good saturday afternoon.

01:50:19.050 --> 01:50:23.768
Watch if you are a mom, right, or if you're a dad who's like, I don't care.

01:50:23.768 --> 01:50:26.936
Yeah, I'd rather watch Band of Brothers again, right.

01:50:26.936 --> 01:50:29.118
I still think this is a good movie to like watch.

01:50:29.137 --> 01:50:30.104
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

01:50:30.104 --> 01:50:31.510
It's a one-thumb in that sense.

01:50:31.550 --> 01:50:44.578
For sure it's worth watching and then for, like, people who are really into it it's a two, yeah, easy, I thumbs up as a whole part one and part two together, yeah, individually, they get one thing I guess which.

01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:48.341
I guess I need to go watch the whole first one.

01:50:48.501 --> 01:50:56.689
Yeah, you know, to form a form, an opinion I think that's how you'll feel after you watch the whole first one and where it leaves off and how it leads into the second one yep dude.

01:50:56.689 --> 01:51:03.119
What if we just have like a duna palooza and we just like one saturday?

01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:09.130
All three no, I don't want to watch the original original, so I mean once the third one comes out.

01:51:09.369 --> 01:51:13.859
Oh, three in a row, a whole saturday gone, dude, okay, so when?

01:51:13.859 --> 01:51:24.715
What's the newest big marvel movie that came out, madame webb, five years ago, no like, like the other avengers with josh brolin yeah, and snapping the fingers End game.

01:51:24.715 --> 01:51:25.556
Infinity War.

01:51:25.556 --> 01:51:31.614
Okay so, leading up to Infinity War, me and my brother-in-law were like no, yes, yes, we did it.

01:51:31.614 --> 01:51:33.793
We hated our life.

01:51:33.793 --> 01:51:37.108
By the end, it wasn't all in one sitting.

01:51:37.489 --> 01:51:38.212
But it was one day.

01:51:38.212 --> 01:51:39.770
No, no, no, it was.

01:51:39.770 --> 01:51:40.810
It can't be one day.

01:51:40.810 --> 01:51:41.725
There's not enough hours.

01:51:42.726 --> 01:51:46.828
We watched every Avengers movie in order, Every Marvel movie.

01:51:46.828 --> 01:51:54.390
I should say in order which I think was like 20 up to Endgame or whatever it was, and by the time we were like Iron man 3 or whatever.

01:51:54.390 --> 01:51:55.774
We were just like kill me.

01:51:55.774 --> 01:51:56.777
Can we please be done?

01:51:57.385 --> 01:52:02.708
Because at this point Endgame had been out for like a week and we were like we got to finish so we can go watch Endgame.

01:52:02.708 --> 01:52:04.993
And we were like we got to finish so we can go watch Endgame.

01:52:04.993 --> 01:52:06.676
And it was like by the end we were just like we hate Marvel.

01:52:06.695 --> 01:52:07.356
We just need to be done.

01:52:07.356 --> 01:52:08.699
How was the reaction to Endgame?

01:52:08.699 --> 01:52:10.907
We liked it, but like Do you?

01:52:10.947 --> 01:52:12.613
feel like that might have soiled it a little bit.

01:52:12.613 --> 01:52:14.971
I mean yes and no, because it was just.

01:52:14.971 --> 01:52:22.171
It was like all we had done for like whatever it was, two weeks straight was like every night watched a marvel movie.

01:52:22.171 --> 01:52:25.136
Did you even like marvel before that?

01:52:25.136 --> 01:52:27.186
Not like I was like a crazy fan.

01:52:27.186 --> 01:52:32.365
I mean I'd watched them all up to that point, you know, but I just like I wasn't a crazy diehard fan.

01:52:32.365 --> 01:52:36.255
I'm glad that you know, captain, marvel wasn't out before then.

01:52:36.255 --> 01:52:39.287
Maybe it was I think it came out right before endgame.

01:52:39.407 --> 01:52:40.087
Yes, I think we had.

01:52:40.087 --> 01:52:45.956
We had to cap that whole marathon off with Captain Marvel Just that garbage Did that movie suck.

01:52:46.556 --> 01:52:47.197
Oh dude Pretty bad.

01:52:47.216 --> 01:52:48.158
It sucked so bad.

01:52:48.158 --> 01:52:49.940
It's awful it sucks so bad.

01:52:50.425 --> 01:52:58.654
There's something about the Marvel movies like after you watch like two within a week or something, you're like there's a taste in your mouth.

01:52:58.654 --> 01:53:00.671
It's honestly the taste of stale popcorn.

01:53:00.891 --> 01:53:01.052
Yeah.

01:53:01.425 --> 01:53:12.176
And I don't know how else to explain it like the magic is gone by the time you watch like two or three in a like, under a month oh yeah, but oh yeah, no doubt anyways.

01:53:12.497 --> 01:53:15.108
Oh hey, ken, thanks for joining us.

01:53:15.108 --> 01:53:20.948
Big old, nice long episode for you, but it's shorter than if you went and watched dune 2, that's true.

01:53:20.948 --> 01:53:25.478
So, uh, watch, watch Dune 2 and hope you enjoy it.

01:53:25.478 --> 01:53:27.789
Hopefully you're listening to this after watching Dune 2.

01:53:27.789 --> 01:53:29.113
Watch Dune 2.

01:53:29.113 --> 01:53:36.819
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