Brews and Reviews: 21st Amendment's "Brew Free! Or Die Blood Orange IPA", Christmas Classic "Die Hard"

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Welcome to Brews and Reviews. I'm Mick.

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And I'm Pat.

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In each week we sit down with you degenerates to pretend we're certified Ciccerones and Cinefiles.

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That is right. So grab a cold one and join us as we review 21st Amendment. Breweries Brew Free or Die Blood Orange IPA and the 1988 Christmas Classic Die Hard.

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That's a tall head on that one. I poured it poorly.

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We already have, you know, it's Bush League, bush League hour here at the Macon Pass Studios because once again we are joined by a guest, the guest returning. I think our first guest to return other than uh, what was that one guy's name? Look at the wall If you don't remember who it is. Man. Well, the guest returning now is the one and only Dean Dean. Welcome to have you back, your good friend. Happy, you made time to come in and first Brews and Reviews. Usually we start people out doing a Brews and Reviews and then letting them on the real podcast.

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Wow, oh, it was Bryant it was Brian.

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I'm shifting the tides here, mick Pat, thank you for having me back on.

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Make sure to leave a space in our names, because otherwise people think you're just saying like someone's last name.

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Lick Pat.

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Okay, all right.

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So what do we have here? I've got the can, we're looking at it and it is. This is a good can. I like it? Um, uh, like I said, it's a brew free or die blood orange IPA by 21st amendment brewery. Not a lot of verbiage on here, just says that India pale ale brewed with blood oranges and natural flavors. And that's really all we got on the can, besides the artwork which is Abraham Lincoln crushing a blood orange, and he has escaped it appears to have escaped from Mount Rushmore, and he is flinging and crushing blood oranges and Teddy Roosevelt is, uh, grinning in shock and, yes, as a blood orange uh smacks him in the noggin. So, uh, this guy, these guys, they started in the year 2000. So the Y2K era is when they came around. They are from San Francisco and, uh, two buddies, nico and Sean. They founded, uh in the historic South Park neighborhood, san Francisco. Two buddies, one guy, uh, uh, he was a paralegal and a photographer, the other a? Uh restaurant here.

Speaker 1: 4:31

Actor, writer, come on, come on, Pat, let's, let's be real. Which one of them ended up being a home brewer?

Speaker 2: 4:38

Oh, yes, that was uh Mr. Uh oh Sullivan.

Speaker 1: 4:42

He was a drink, a drink, a drink.

Speaker 2: 4:44

Michael Brewery started out as a home brewery Classic.

Speaker 1: 4:49

I just wonder if there's a gun. To each micro brewery, persons like founders had saying if you don't put that you started off in your house, we're going to end you right now.

Speaker 2: 5:01

Like you remember, like do you remember the Obama, like Berther issue.

Speaker 1: 5:05

No, oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:09

Like was he born in? Like this guy was born in Kenyatta, stuff like this, this big like scandal, like that's how it is.

Speaker 3: 5:14

I think, for these micro brew, craft brew guys who are like was it born in the basement or was it born in the lab?

Speaker 2: 5:19

Yeah, exactly, lab In the basement.

Speaker 3: 5:24

I was born in the the basement lab.

Speaker 2: 5:26

So the but the 21st amendment, if you didn't know, was in response to the 18th amendment, the 18th amendment being prohibition, the 21st being the repeal of the 18th amendment, and that happened on December 5th 1933, which, if you're listening to this today, came comes out. It's December 5th today.

Speaker 1: 5:52

And uh, happy 21st amendment day.

Speaker 2: 5:54

Yep, Happy 21st birthday. So enjoy your, your freedom to have libations, spirits and beverages. Rest in peace to the moonshiner life. There's probably still a couple guys do trying, you know, doing those things.

Speaker 1: 6:10

I'm pretty sure our pastor has made moonshine before, really. I mean, he's at least talked about it.

Speaker 3: 6:16

Have you ever had some good quality moonshine before?

Speaker 1: 6:18

I have had good moonshine.

Speaker 3: 6:20

Like the moonshine, that basically tastes like juice yeah.

Speaker 1: 6:24

I've had some homemade moonshine up in uh Michigander.

Speaker 2: 6:29

I had some in Tennessee when I was in Georgia.

Speaker 1: 6:32

It was a Mexican woman, first generation immigrant homemade. She called it white wine.

Speaker 3: 6:39

It was white wine I think it. I don't know. You're just cooking with some white wine tonight.

Speaker 1: 6:45

Yeah, I don't know if it's. I think it's legal to make your own wine and it's legal to make your own beer, but it's illegal to make your own liquor, which is why I think she calls it a white wine, because that shit was the most gasoline white wine I've ever had in my life. I'm very citrusy gasoline, but, um, that's funny. Well, pat. Uh, thanks for reading the can and I got to say it is one of the most striking cans I think we've had. Just went from a design perspective, like I give them big props to whoever is doing their graphic designs. Uh, for the 21st amendment, brewery. However, I'm going to deduct points for the name, not because the name is bad, but I just have a hard time figuring out. When I was looking up this beer, I couldn't figure out what was the beer and what was the brewery and I was really struck how long the title was and everything like that, cause it was. I thought brew free was the brewery at first and the beer was the 21st amendment and it was. I guess that's more of just like a maximum character limit and some like product listing pages online, you know, but uh, yeah, so uh, what do we got for ABV?

Speaker 2: 8:02

It's a. It's a, it's a 7.0 on that one, and it's got all kinds of malts and flavored hops in there.

Speaker 1: 8:12

So Centennial Chinook Cascade, amarillo they give us any numbered hops or malts that we can cross check.

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I didn't see that. I don't see that on here.

Speaker 1: 8:23

What, what about? Uh? What are the other flavors or notes Are we supposed to be picking up in this?

Speaker 2: 8:27

Yeah, so we're supposed to have orange, yep, no shit, yep, some blood orange in there, and they it's. They don't give a list. Uh, let's see, I'm not seeing a list of flavors in here. Besides, it's, uh, just from a fresh blood orange puree and, uh, and citrusy dry hops. Maybe some caramel in there, caramel in there, that's in the malt, yeah, but uh, I think they're not listening to the flavors. We're going to have to go find the flavors ourselves with the push it through your teeth test.

Speaker 1: 9:06

Now, dean, dean, I know you've been quietly observing and, you know, being polite while we get the show rolling here, but I really want you to follow the instructions for the swish test. Okay, so I'm going to walk you and Pat through it and all of our kin out there listening uh, whatever beverage you got, you know, do the swish tests. Uh, push it through your teeth test with. But this is, I'll go through it and you just kind of follow step by step. All right, All right. So first go ahead and take a tablespoon amount of your beverage into your into your mouth and let it roll over your tongue and roll under it. Let it, you know, move your tongue around so it gets under your tongue back by those molars, and then start swishing your tongue side to side, a little side to side action, and then purse your kind of smiley, you know, dimple it up a little bit and let the beer go to your back corners of your mouth, you know, like through your back teeth, and as it goes back in, put your tongue back, I guess, put your the middle of your tongue against the roof of your mouth and push your tongue forward, pushing the beer through your front teeth. And if that doesn't bring out the most flavor of the beer, I don't know what will.

Speaker 2: 10:17

Yeah, I have to do it one more time. It got warm in there during that one.

Speaker 3: 10:24

I think that turned every bit of beer in my mouth into just straight foam.

Speaker 2: 10:28

That's what I was supposed to do. You can feel it on the.

Speaker 1: 10:36

All right, first thoughts. I definitely think I'd taste way more orange, like I will actually say, I taste orange peel more than anything else. Yeah, I'm like way strong orange peel. I'm getting them, which you know. If you're making an orange puree, I bet they threw the whole orange in. You know, I can't imagine they just take out the inside flesh. I'm not tasting as much caramel malt or anything like that, but it does pretty much have, just like I would say, the expected amount of happiness for a 7% IPA. I thought it might be a little less just with how much of a blood orange is kind of featured as a, as a flavor profile here. But I've had blood oranges. Have you guys had blood oranges in pet?

Speaker 3: 11:23

Yeah, it's been a while.

Speaker 2: 11:25

I don't know if I actually have had a blood orange that wasn't in a beer.

Speaker 1: 11:28

Hmm, gotcha. Yeah, dean, what do you think? Blood orange compared to normal orange Like? Do you recall any taste difference at all?

Speaker 3: 11:39

I think I recall them, I mean at the time. You might it's been a while, but I didn't even think the blood orange tasted much like, much like an orange at the time. Like it was like a. It felt like it was like a pretty different palette.

Speaker 1: 11:54

I would say, sure, yeah, I think one of them has kind of like a watered down orange flavor, like yeah, they look intense, but then I just always thought it tasted like a like a less potent orange, less sweet or sour.

Speaker 3: 12:10

Like the melon version of an orange.

Speaker 1: 12:13

Yeah, which makes me wonder why would you pick something that doesn't taste much like orange To be like the basis for the beer? But, all that said, I definitely do taste orange after the push it through your teeth test and, uh, dean, any, any thoughts on that? Any thoughts on the push it through your teeth test? Like do you think there is validation to the test? Like is it scientific?

Speaker 3: 12:36

I, I think I I get more the orange, but I think I lose all the other flavors when I do that, which I'm that Kind of turns me off a bit.

Speaker 1: 12:45

We'll just take a sip and that's how the beer tastes normally. But when you aerate it, you get all the flavors you know like a schmollie Somalia, somalia, somalia, um.

Speaker 3: 12:57

Somalian but Overall this is probably one of the least hoppy IPAs I've had.

Speaker 1: 13:04

Oh, you think so yeah okay, I would say so.

Speaker 3: 13:06

This is pretty. This pretty smooth. It feels pretty light for an IPA.

Speaker 1: 13:09

Do you feel like you're getting what you see on the can? Do you feel like they're living up to the Profile that you get from the can here? Because that's often what we judge the beers by is like Are they? Are they even hitting what they're advertising?

Speaker 3: 14:53

Yeah, I think. I mean, I think the can is pretty on par Are marketing what? What the beer is. I would agree with you. When I look at it, I'm like is this, is this like a in addition of the blood orange IPA? Like, is this a, a brew free or die edition of the blood orange IPA? Is that part of the title of the brewery? Is that the title of the beer?

Speaker 1: 15:18

Sorry to tell what am I gonna? A lot of squeezed in there. You know, Then a marketing guy breaking it down and that analyzing it well, uh, I think I've said all I have to say on it, pat. What about you? I think my mind's made up.

Speaker 2: 15:35

Yeah, I think that it tastes like I'm drinking a uh, orange peeled beer. But If I could need to have another sip just to see the what, I think it's an IPA and there's a couple of those out there, you know we don't even Do people know where we live.

Speaker 1: 16:00

Everyone knows where we lived deed. Everyone is your IP address. Is it a secret anymore?

Speaker 3: 16:05

We do live in colorado, so there's a lot of IPAs around us. We're in IPA land.

Speaker 2: 16:10

Hey, push that push up in your mic a little. Oh yeah, my bad posture posture.

Speaker 1: 16:17

But the most douchey thing you could tell. So I'd like up hey posture upright, upright posture, oh sorry. Yes, sir um, I'm ready to give it a rating. I'll I'll teach dean our rating system as well, but what do you?

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what do you?

Speaker 1: 16:34

how do you feel? Pat you ready?

Speaker 2: 16:38

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready to talk about it All right.

Speaker 1: 16:41

So those who are longtime listeners, you know our rating system is on a Thumbs up scale. And how many thumbs do pat and I have? Well, we each have two. So that's out of four. The best of beer can get is four thumbs up. It's a very rare thing to occur. The worst of beer can get is four thumbs down. So a a neutral score is not that bad, just means you know, no thumbs up, no thumbs down, um and so, uh, dean, you're probably wondering like oh okay, so I have two thumbs too. Uh, I definitely want to hear what your thumbs are. They just know they're irrelevant and they have no bearing on how we rate the beer. But your opinion is heard.

Speaker 2: 17:23

Glad to be here, guys.

Speaker 1: 17:24

I'll, just I'll just say this uh, the the four thumbs up is mathematically in line with the five star rating on.

Speaker 2: 17:32

Is it? On because there's a zero, because you can technically have zero. Okay, okay, you can go up and down. Yeah, we've explained this at nauseam before too. It's like really broke down the percentages.

Speaker 1: 17:44

Real fans out there know exactly what each thumb is worth when it comes to a single start, right? Um, it's, and so, uh, with that anyways. Um, let's go ahead, give our thumbs up dean, I'll let you go first. Get, if out of a potential two thumbs down to two thumbs up Overall, the beer you've ever had. What would you rate this? And, and to keep in mind, I would give like a. I usually give a thumb up to a beer if I think this is a A good beer for someone's first time in tasting this profile, right like if this is if this was someone's first date IPA, would I say this is a good IPA for them as a first-timer. Um, a no thumbs up means it's just. Uh, I kind of view it as just an okay beer and two thumbs up is like Extraordinary, like I will pay 10 bucks 12 bucks to have this at a bar because it's so damn good.

Speaker 3: 18:37

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 18:38

So, with that in mind, what do you, what do you feel?

Speaker 3: 18:40

I think your your scale with the. The one thumbs up is is interesting because, although it could apply to this one, I'm gonna call this one neutral, and that's because I don't think this is a very accurate representation of an IPA. Okay okay, and I'm not saying it, I think that a person trying this profile for the first time would probably like this compared to other IPAs, because I think it is a good IPA, but I wouldn't say it's Like as strong as a lot of normal ones out there, so I'm gonna go neutral on this one.

Speaker 1: 19:13

All right, okay, yeah, any thoughts?

Speaker 2: 19:17

I'm, uh, I'm going, I'm gonna go one thumb, I'm fucking knew it. Oh, one thumb down.

Speaker 1: 19:23

Yeah, one thumb.

Speaker 2: 19:23

Oh my gosh what a surprise.

Speaker 1: 19:25

I thought you were gonna go one thumb up for the marketing bro for the. Pat goes. Does the everyone remembers last fucking christmas, right? What pat gave a thumb up to the dog shit beer of the year? Why, pat? Uh, their marketing is pretty good, I guess, I think, I think the branding is pretty on point. Nevermind, it tastes like someone pissed in a bowl of poopery, pupery, whatever it's called. Anyway, sorry, it's the holidays and get an emotional, I get. I get spun up from trauma.

Speaker 3: 19:58

You better change your posture here.

Speaker 2: 20:00

Anyway, sorry I'm giving a thumb down it tastes like I'm drinking. It's a little bit like the. I think if you were sitting and not thinking about it, you could just drink this beer fine and just be whatever. But If you're sitting trying to enjoy a beer, it's got some Like orange flavored medicine vibes you know that's me. I'm getting a little bit like it feels like I'm just a little bit of a hooch Butch yeah, a little bit of a little bit of a sd. Yeah and yeah, definitely, and a little bit of, uh, just yeah, memory of being a child having some like orange flavored motrin, you know or just like, uh, emergency citrus, yep interesting.

Speaker 1: 20:40

Well, I'm uh, I'm gonna give it a neutral thumbs.

Speaker 2: 20:43

Wow.

Speaker 1: 20:44

I'm gonna give it a flat no thumbs. I almost gave it a one them up, just a spike pat and just to do it out of, uh, the sense that I really like the design Is good, which has no bearing on whether or not the beer is good. But I will say this I'm a big fan of the name.

Speaker 2: 21:01

Which one?

Speaker 1: 21:03

Yeah, no shit. Uh no, I think I think they you know, if this is their first outing, do an IPA. Even if it's not, it's a fine one. I've had way worse, I've had, you know, much better. Um, I would say majority of IPAs kind of fit With this one in my opinion. Of quality, I agree with what you said, dean. Taste wise it's a pretty mild IPA, but when it comes to like overall pleasure, I don't think it stands out. But it's certainly not standing out for bad flavor at all. So, all right, it's good yeah so all right here on, uh, the micka pat show, unfortunately, because I gave it a no thumbs Up or down and pat gave it a single thumb down.

Speaker 2: 21:43

But and here's some answers to the, the naming, so the brew free they have for brew freeze or brew free or die. And then it's their brew free or die. Hazy IPA brew free or die. You know got you other you know IPA and then orange IPA. So it's there, it's. It's kind of like they're seems like the Little bit of the voodoo ranger, uh yeah, kind of the line of IPA.

Speaker 1: 22:12

It's all about branding. Nowadays, it doesn't really even matter how good your beers is. I mean, don't get me wrong, some of the voodoo beers are good, mm-hmm. Some of them have been piss.

Speaker 2: 22:21

Like not good, you know I mean, but branding is everything.

Speaker 1: 22:24

So, uh, new Belgium also still waiting to hear back. If you're gonna, let us uh be. If you want to be a sponsor of the show, uh, I know we doggone some of your beers real hard because I love you. We want you to be the best you can be. Um, anyways with that. Uh yeah, one thumb down for the 21st amendment brewery brew free or die, but tell you what that name Is flipping cool? It's one of the coolest names because I remember it's great. Yeah, and I remember going to go see Diehard or live free. What was it live for? Your die? Hard for your diehard yeah that was a great movie in theaters.

Speaker 3: 23:00

It was a cinematic Experience.

Speaker 1: 23:03

And, uh, today we're going over the best Christmas movie in time to hype you up for the Christmas season diehard right, um. And so with that, uh, before we happen to the review of the movie, I just kind of want to see real quick how my my co-host here feel about Diehard as a Christmas movie, and have you ever had to defend your position on it? I will say I remember I was shocked when someone first said it was a Christmas movie and I came around, it was. It felt like my eyes had been open for the first time. At first I was just shocked by what I saw. You know, the light was bright and maybe hurt a little bit, but as my eyes adjusted I saw the reasoning, the truth. I truly believe diehard Right next, like right next to the first lethal weapon is Like perfect Christmas movies.

Speaker 2: 23:55

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's definitely Christmas movie and I feel the same way. I didn't. I didn't the first time I saw it and I didn't notice it because I didn't watch it at Christmas, but now, if you watch it, if you watch it at Christmas time, it's pretty Christmasy movie pretty freaking Christmasy bro Dean.

Speaker 3: 24:16

My take on the Christmas take.

Speaker 1: 24:18

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 24:19

Yeah, I. I think this became more of a Christmas movie as time went on. Initially it really was just like Kind of was what it was, but as time goes on this movie becomes more of a classic. It just it became kind of funny to regard it as a Christmas movie.

Speaker 1: 24:36

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: 24:36

And then, before you know it, every year diehard is playing during Christmas. And you're probably gonna watch it with your family if you're at a family outing and nobody knows what to do and it's on tv. In my opinion, I think I I love this is a Christmas movie, mainly because I don't like a lot of Christmas movies out there. So the fact this is like really on the edge, there, I dig it, I dig it hard. The only other movie that I could say I I like is a Christmas movie that's like Maybe more so, but still on the edge, is like gremlins or something.

Speaker 1: 25:08

Do you? Gremlins amazing Christmas movie.

Speaker 3: 25:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:11

Have you ever seen gremlins, pat? Yeah, I think I remember showing gremlins to my wife when we were dating and I probably didn't like it as much as did no she got on board, but she was. She's a scaredy-cat, bro, and it actually spooked her a little bit, oh yeah. Um, I loved gremlins as a kid, though. Um, anyways, dive in, raid on in Into diehard. If, uh, if you're not aware of what diehard is and, uh, you don't want to be spoiled, then stop listening to the podcast and go watch diehard with friends or family. It's december 5th when you're hearing this, probably, and so, uh, anytime around now you should just be watching it, getting yourself in the mood for this season. But it's directed by john mctearnan. I'm not really familiar with many of his other works, I don't think. Anyways, I don't know. Uh, pat or dean, if you want to Look up, see some of his other stuff that he's made, but the lead, of course, bruce Willis, and supporting cast, the legendary Alan Rickman, just really selling it as a German thief terrorist terrorist thief.

Speaker 2: 26:18

I don't think he's just a. He's a. He's just a. He's just a robber, he's a, I think he's a high class thief, but but allowing the terrorist perception.

Speaker 1: 26:28

Yeah. And then Bonnie Badia, who plays Bruce Willis's wife, holly McClain, and Reginald Ville Johnson as Sergeant Al Powell, or as everyone knows him, as you know, america's dad, uncle to Erkel and father of reason and good advice on family matters, which if you didn't grow up watching for family matters, that's probably where, you know, the generational disconnect begins. I would say that was. That was pretty pivotal to me. But anyways, the whole plot of the movie is that it's Christmas Eve, john McClain is flying in. Him and his wife have been separated for a little while over work. He's working in New York as a cop, she's working big job in LA. This sounds like a nightmare. What were people doing in the 90s or 80s? And he's flying in for the holidays to see her and kind of try to make amends, spend time with the kids, and as he is flying in and going to the office party in her big old high rise corporate LA building, terrorists arrive, taking everyone in the party hostage and ruining the Christmas party at the Nakatomi Plaza. And it's up to John McClain, bruce Willis, to save the day. So with that, you know we've all seen the movie. I'll say I most recently watched it last year, as well as Die Hard 2. You know, it's kind of hard, I think, to just watch one at Christmas time, especially when Die Hard 2, I think, really commits even more to be in a Christmas movie. But yeah, I saw it a year ago. What about you guys? What was the last last time you saw Die Hard?

Speaker 2: 28:08

Yeah, right, about a year ago, because I think I showed it to my little sister-in-law. She is time to see, I was like I had everybody downstairs or watching a Christmas movie Real men. The director also, by the way, does hunt for Red October Great movie and Predator. Oh, we did Predator there you go.

Speaker 1: 28:31

Wow, I run it because we almost did.

Speaker 3: 28:33

Predator tonight as a review. I was going to say that.

Speaker 1: 28:36

Dean, last time you saw Die Hard, Last Christmas actually.

Speaker 3: 28:41

Hell yeah, three for three. Yeah yeah, it had been a long time since I'd seen it before then, but last Christmas was the, and it's probably going to come out this Christmas too.

Speaker 1: 28:51

So I mean, let's just kind of start from the beginning. You know, in regards to enjoyment of the film, opinions on the film. You know it is, I would say, a classic. Came out in the 80s, right 1988. Yeah, I think it's a very classic start right Like it feels so familiar and maybe it was new at the time, but to me by the time I saw it as a kid I felt I'd seen so many movies the same way and it's like almost indistinguishable in the beginning until you know the real intelligence or plot of the terrorist heist is kind of revealed. I don't know about you guys, but if you can recall kind of the beginning of the movie and it's not as much of a quick, I don't know, it doesn't feel very unique, I would say yeah, it doesn't just kick off with a bang or anything.

Speaker 2: 29:42

But yeah, it's just the some of the classic things in the beginning, this, yeah, late 80s, early 90s office party going on right, and then where the protagonist finds himself learning of the bad guys and what's happening, but from a hidden position. You know, this is where he's, he's, he's changing in the office and he sees the, the CEO or whatever, getting interrogated about the fault codes Because he's using the office, because his wife's the assistant or whatever, and so they, that's a classic one, you know, just being where you're not supposed to be, and then learning about something that the fact that you know it now has to cost you your life, and that's when it ramps up, right at that moment. Yeah, you know, when you're found out and they see you, dean, what about you?

Speaker 3: 30:37

In regards to just the opening of a movie like that, as it has a star and out like do you remember?

Speaker 1: 30:42

like when you first watched it or something, and kind of like when was the first time it really grabbed your attention, like at what part? I think, given the time that this movie came out.

Speaker 3: 30:55

You're not necessarily watching it for something to grab your attention, because it's it's a lot different than what you're seeing. Like movies now have to kind of separate themselves from all the all the ones that came prior to them. But this is just at a time when you got to just do whatever the hell you wanted, and it didn't have to be anything that crazy. The movie itself was just an event, you know. And so this whole movie is like, yeah, it's like they didn't have to do a lot to like to make a great movie. Maybe some like good one-liner, some good action in there, some good characters, and so you're kind of just watching the movie for the enjoyment and a little bit of just kind of reminiscing, I'd say, but it's just, it's just a classic, it's just classic. I think I'm going to disagree with you on that.

Speaker 1: 31:46

I think I think I think, at least from a child like perspective, when you're watching a movie, you're going to be like, I think, from a child like perspective, when this was playing on AMC, you know Channel 64, I think back in the good old cable days of Colorado and I just remember, like not really paying too much attention, I was probably playing with some action figures or something on the floor while it was on in the bedroom and all of a sudden, when he, when John McClain, gets his first kill and just writes in blood on the dude's shirt, ho, ho, ho. Now. I have a machine gun and the terrorist open the elevator to see like a dead terrorist, like that. I was like wait a second. Like this is a different kind of cat and mouse thing going on here and I just remember ever since I was a kid thinking that would have been the most awesome Halloween costume, and every year I want to do it, but I'm just like every year that passes by like no one's going to get that. Like I show it to a terrorist, yeah, but just a sweater shirt out that says oh ho, ho, now I have a machine gun and like I just, I just think that's like something. It's a good ugly Christmas sweater inside crowd will know what it is. You know what I mean, like the people who know know. But I always remember that as just like being a moment that caught my attention and I think the fact that, like, as John McClain is going through the movie, it becomes more MacGyver-y, like he does some MacGyver shit. You guys know I'm referencing MacGyver, right.

Speaker 2: 33:19

Oh yeah, oh yeah, because he has nothing, he's half naked, he's got no shoes, you know, he just has to. He has to be intuitive and resourceful and it's like the that machine gun was a good find. The classic MP5.

Speaker 1: 33:39

That's a good first.

Speaker 2: 33:40

That's a good first piece of gear to get out of the gate.

Speaker 1: 33:43

Oh yeah, dude, and I think that's probably. I think that movie is the movie that like Instilled into me, like MP5 is like superior. It is the pinnacle of German engineering. You know what I mean, like if it's what German terrorists are using when they go to take over Nakatomi Plaza. You know, and it's always what the SWAT teams are using when you see like the greatest videos or images of SWAT. Nowadays, I think most SWAT is using M4s and stuff, which is of course you know better technology.

Speaker 3: 34:14

Everyone has it right.

Speaker 1: 34:15

I was like, oh cool, swat has what I have at home. But like you see some SWAT dudes rolling around with like MP5 SD and you're like oh, I was thinking of like classic, like British SAS. British SAS. Yeah, old school.

Speaker 2: 34:32

You know what the SD stands for.

Speaker 1: 34:34

Suck my dick. No, no, no.

Speaker 2: 34:39

Stands for slap that.

Speaker 1: 34:41

Oh, slap that, You're right.

Speaker 2: 34:44

If you don't slap it, you're not doing it right.

Speaker 1: 34:46

I get that. It was really immature that I said suck my dick. That gun does have like big, like eat it energy, you know what I mean. Like dude comes through the door with the MP5 SD and you just see like that five pound suppressor on the front, you're like, oh, I'm in trouble, anyways, all right, cool. So like, as the movie's progressing on, I think there's a lot of cool scenes, you know, like Alan Rickman quickly establishes, like you know, one he can't be bargained with and two, I don't think the full plot and plan of the robbers is revealed immediately, right, like because at first it is like, is this a hostage situation? Wait, he just killed. What is the name? Takashi I think so. Takashi Nakamoto, and then also kills the dude who's trying to be the good guy of like let's talk here. I'm a businessman, I work in sales and I can sell you the shirt off your back and he's like OK, and then he like ice, is that guy? It's just, you know, Hans Gruber is a great villain.

Speaker 2: 35:53

I think it's villains. What do you say?

Speaker 1: 35:56

He's one of the best villains oh yeah, of all time, I think, and like, just like it didn't come off wacko, unpredictable, it came off as like calculated. Well, yeah, like calculated and knowing he has you know four of a kind in his hand right. He's got. He's got four aces and he doesn't want to reveal it. You know he wants to get as much as he can by the end, right, and it just seems like he enjoys the game, but while also being careful not to overplay his hand too much. I don't know what about you guys, early parts of the movie, some of your favorite scenes? You know I kind of want to save the, the big scenes like when Hans and John first meet, right, like prior to that scene. You know, like for the first half of the movie, anything that you remember really sticking out, anything that you remember like just felt, like you know, classic, push your lips out and fire machine gun. You know, like I always think about, like how the, the thrill of the movie gave me, my friends, endless ideas of what to play and jump around on the furniture with toy guns and run around outside with toy guns and airsoft guns, like a lot of it I feel like came out of these movies, you know.

Speaker 2: 37:11

Oh, yeah, like the fact that, like here's the deal, comms are important, but also, again, this one is just like you have to have a radio, like when he, when he gets the radio off, the dead guy. It's like it doesn't help him yeah, it does, and what it really doesn't really help you that much of it. Some of those classic movie things where it's like, just like they have to be able to talk shit each other. Yeah, and but also here's the deal they would have been speaking German to each other over the radio so you wouldn't have gotten any real info or until. But it's just like. So now, if you're like as a kid, when you're playing in the yard, you kind of have a walkie talkie like gun first, walkie talkie second. That's why I think this movie hits hits so often that this movie didn't, this movie didn't establish the need for that. It answered what we all have all known since we were five. It's like gun first, walkie talkie second. And that's exactly what he went and did and it's like and why is that important, Pat?

Speaker 1: 38:09

Why is it important to have that walkie talkie with your homies, to talk shit?

Speaker 3: 38:14

talk.

Speaker 1: 38:14

Smack to your homie to whisper swear words over the radio because you're afraid you don't want your parents or their parents to hear. But you like, you know, just like, making up your mama, judge your mom, making up your mama jokes like funny you should say that your mama and like then you're like you, son of a bitch, I'm going to find you Like, just that kind of memory with your homies in the neighborhood was a whole different vibe, you know what I mean. And I can't. I can still remember we were in a cornfield as a kid and we had cap guns. It was a corn maze right, it was a haunted corn maze, but there's like the whole normal corn maze spot. We had cap guns and radios and my buddy had gone as a mustard bottle and I had gone I can't even remember what I went as and we were supposed to be undercover cops at like a fair or something like that. And so someone comes over his radio. It starts speaking like a funny German accent to me and saying he was going to kill my buddy if I didn't like get to him to stop in time. And he's standing on top of this like bridge that goes over one part of the corn maze and so all I could see at night is like their silhouettes on the bridge and I'm like running through the corn maze trying to get to the stairs to get up on this bridge, and I just remember swearing over there ready like I swear to God oh, fucking scary bitch. And I was like just say the most hate is. I was, like you know, probably a sophomore in high school and I get there and it's my youth bastard and he just thought it was the funniest thing in the world, dude, and I guess, like I got up to the bridge and. I see my buddy the mustard bottle, looking like he was laughing so hard. And I just see my youth bastard standing there with a cap gun. He's like just remember. He's like you've got a dirty mouth and like I was so shocked I couldn't even like jokingly raise my cap gun to shoot him. He shot his cap gun at me. And I just remember the stun shot Wasted? Yeah, dude, it was great, it was a good time. Sorry, but that memory was like that, classic, one of the of, like that it was a hundred percent we both had seen die hard.

Speaker 2: 40:35

That was your die hard moment. Yeah, that's hilarious.

Speaker 3: 40:39

I think there's a, there's a couple of things that especially I was probably a couple or a few years younger than you guys when, when watching this movie for the first time. For sure, two things that set out One, this dirty, this sweaty dude with this dirty wife beater on and with the MP5 is just a very classic image, burnt, burnt to the mind. And then the second thing I said this before are some of the one liners like he's just, he's just a good character in a funny guy. I've got, I've got a couple of them pulled up here. That one of them I remember. Everyone remembers the classic line. I'll let somebody else say that in a bit.

Speaker 1: 41:24

But no, no, no, man, take it. We all know what it is.

Speaker 3: 41:27

It's the Yippee Ki-yay motherfucker. Exactly it's. It's just one of the most classic household Lines.

Speaker 1: 41:36

I don't even think most people remember where they heard it. Everyone says it to each other. It's the most accepted.

Speaker 2: 41:42

If you're trying to say the F word around somebody who's not ready for you to say it or you're not allowed to say it. It's like the. I feel like it's the most accepted version of it. Yeah, You're like you're just allowed to say it if you're quoting diehard.

Speaker 1: 41:54

The thing I wonder is, before diehard did people just say Yippee Ki-yay, quoting John Wayne, like a lot like Yippee Ki-yay, you know, it was that. Just like what they said when they were about to whoop ass to their friends or family. And then after this movie it just became Yippee.

Speaker 2: 42:11

Ki-yay motherfucker. Yeah, because he called, he calls him cowboy, he calls him John Wayne cowboy, yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:16

And uh, classically, all right, go ahead, Dean, Keep going.

Speaker 3: 42:20

Another one I got here Says supervisor, attention, whoever you are, this channel is reserved for emergency calls. Only John says no, fucking shit. Lady, does it sound like I'm ordering a pizza?

Speaker 2: 42:33

It's not Dude. That was such a good one. I just saw you order pizza.

Speaker 1: 42:38

It's so funny bro.

Speaker 2: 42:40

I got to use that one sometimes. That was a good one. Oh my gosh, Dude, eccentric Bruce Willis was my favorite, bruce Willis. Like eccentric, bruce Willis was great Also Because he kind of started out as a comedy guy. This was one of his commercials and stuff this was one of his first like action roles Action roles whereas before it was kind of like a funny guy, whatever, but like do funny stuff. And then he came out with the you know some action, action stuff that people started. I think we could see a couple of guys now who started doing that too. You can be like, oh, that guy used to be a funny guy, now he's an action guy. But Bruce Willis, he uh, I've only ever known him as the action guy for me, you know.

Speaker 1: 43:19

Sure, yeah, I agree, I think, I think for the most part I agree with that too, which also, you know, before we forget, that's some prayers got to the Willis and his family. You know, I know he's, his health has taken an even more stark downturn, and so, oh, are you not aware? I'm not aware.

Speaker 3: 43:36

I'm also not aware.

Speaker 1: 43:37

Wait, are you guys for real? You're not aware like Bruce Willis is no longer like. He's like comatose.

Speaker 2: 43:42

No, I did not know this All right.

Speaker 1: 43:44

So gosh, all right, real quick, quick. Mick corner news update on Bruce Willis, which are a lot of people at home probably know this, or maybe you don't as well. Bruce Willis for a long time people have been making fun of how he's been in so many movies as he's been aging and he was in these movies where he would have like he'd be on the cover of the movie and he'd have maybe five to 15 minutes in the movie and he was hardly ever in scene with any other actors and it was usually because they were filming him on a separate set and they would just get a bald guy who looked like him and film them from the back and do a stand in. For everything else in Bruce Willis was like not saying a lot of lines. There was no expression or emotion. A lot of them, a lot of people like dude, this guy's just aiming up turns out he has a neurological disease that is a lot like not MS, but it's called a frontotemporal dementia. Yeah, I mean it really is a type of like almost Alzheimer's, like he would forget where he was, he would forget his lines, and so, as it got worse and worse, he kind of had people helping him with these movies because he said, like what all he want? He said essentially, like in his moments of clarity he knew he didn't have a lot of time left and so all he was trying to do is make, get as much money as possible to set his wife and kids up, because his wife is, I think, about 20 years, maybe 10 years younger than him, and his kids aren't that old. Actually, like he way, he was older in life before he started having kids and so he really wanted to set them up. So he was doing like each of these movies, just doing as much as he could, and then you know, making 500,000 to a million bucks off of basically cameo role and he was just cranking those out and people were like that's fine, we'll use your name to get people to watch the movie on whatever red box or whatever. And now he's gone to a point where he can't talk anymore. Like it's gone so severe that like he's essentially like not able to like really say anything and that like it seems like I think it was over a month ago when he spoke his like last aware words of like, knowing where he was at and stuff. But it's really sad because you could like you could tell he you can definitely see, I think in his more recent movies, especially in the last five years, but leading up to that, like, the difference between like him and die hard him. And I'm trying to think of a couple other movies. You know, I think the last Boy Scout was one that he was in 13 monkeys, or no, 12 monkeys. Six cents six cents, like his acting in all those has way more life and vivaciousness to it. And then you see, like in these older movies in the last five years he really slowed down and it was like there's like instances where people came out after he announced his illness that he would come in and not remember steps and like where to step and stuff and when to shoot the blank of a gun. There's a couple of times where he would shoot it prematurely and like people started, like you know, getting hearing damage or like it was dangerous, and so he just pretty much kind of self retired after he realized, you know, it was getting to the point where he was putting people in danger, which is just, it's sad, it's a sad thing. But like I choose to remember him, you know, as a guy who one is great, entertaining, all-star, but also dude, who clearly loves his family, makes him a priority, wants to, you know, make as much money as possible, set them up, because he's not going to be able to spend any of it. You know, like he's he's living in a bed now.

Speaker 3: 47:31

What was one of the last movies that you are all seeing him in? Shit dude, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 47:36

I pretty much stopped watching all of his stuff after, like I think, tears of the sun oh no, no, no, no, the real one that I stopped watching because I felt like he was kind of sleepwalking through it, which might have been this dementia, might have not been, I don't know but Looper, like I liked Looper, but I really felt like he his, his half of Looper over Joseph Gordon Levitt's half his half felt way less, way less. Damn bro, you just throw open that cup.

Speaker 2: 48:07

No.

Speaker 1: 48:08

Geez, pat, turn your mic off, just that.

Speaker 2: 48:12

He's like.

Speaker 1: 48:14

I think Looper, he felt like he was kind of just doing it for the money. Like it was, it was there wasn't a lot of life to his role. I'm trying to think of other stuff. I saw him.

Speaker 3: 48:24

I did not see Looper.

Speaker 1: 48:25

I remember watching him in Sin City, since it he was good in like in his narration and Sin City is great Like his narration, has a lot of him like a power to it.

Speaker 3: 48:34

The most recent one that I felt like he played a solid role in was was red.

Speaker 1: 48:40

Red was good that was good Even then, though just a couple of years before Looper though. If we have red, didn't have John Malkovich. I don't think red would have been anything like. John Malkovich, to me is like the eccentric old guy who makes those movies fun.

Speaker 3: 48:54

Yeah, yeah, I think the whole movie there's and especially at the time that I watched it, like there's some awesome guns like guns in there. There's some pretty baller like action scenes.

Speaker 1: 49:05

It was cool to see old people doing action scenes.

Speaker 3: 49:07

Yeah, he's not doing anything crazy, but it's funny it's. Yeah, there's some really good humor in it. There's a great cast, but I wouldn't say he seemed necessarily lost in that one.

Speaker 1: 49:20

Yeah, no, I think it's hard to tell, you know, because, of course, like he has no reason to tell anyone when it started, right, yeah, so it's hard to. For all we can do is, like you know, try to understand, like when it started maybe, and kind of just come the slack of like shit man, like this isn't a guy who's just phoned it in. This is a guy who probably is having severe mental health issues, mental physical issues, and is just trying to, you know, set his family up for when he can't, when he can't provide anymore, which is absolutely commendable, you know, like there's nothing else more commendable that. So all I said let's get back to die hard. Sorry, that was such a tangent I thought you guys would have been aware that are in the nose. I can't really know about that.

Speaker 2: 50:02

Yeah, the he's picture, the son's pictures that come out. Do you have him? Or it's hard to look at. He's old, old, fading dude.

Speaker 1: 50:12

I mean, he's shine bright though, dude. Fifth element that was a great one you guys ever see. Fifth element no. Oh my gosh, that is Bruce Willis, pretty much told. Here's a gun. Have as much fun as you can. And it's amazing If fifth element is a great wacky sci-fi movie, all right, but back to die hard. Of course. The Yippee-ki-yay the line was a sound like a murder. If I could pizza the incredible any other ones Dean that you want to rip off any other good classic. One liner is that came out of it.

Speaker 3: 50:48

There's some longer ones Do it.

Speaker 1: 50:50

Come on, man, give us, give us the ones that you enjoy, homie ones, that ones that are lovely to you. People are going to think we have like a zombie these blood oranges are getting me.

Speaker 3: 51:06

Let's see what we've got here. We've got a. We got a list of some here. This one's, this one's, good. Han says this time John Wayne does not walk off into the sunset with Grace Kelly. John says that was Gary Cooper asshole.

Speaker 1: 51:26

That was good one. Let's, let's go towards like that, that middle act, the big, I guess, like reveal, like, do you guys remember the tension you felt when John McClain meets Hans Gruber for the first time?

Speaker 2: 51:46

and like, like doesn't know, he's Hans Gruber. Yeah, they had. Neither of them had seen each other. Yeah with when he uses the American accent.

Speaker 1: 51:53

Yeah, and Hans just knows, oh, this is the cop, this is the guy, yeah, and he just uses a very convincing American accent to just sound like another business dude. And it's one of those things like how long will this go on for? Will this go on until Hans has another one of his buddies around and then doubles what is going on? Dude, what is Hans plan? And I just remember like that was like, that was like one of the first times I felt the Uno reverse of cat and mouse in a movie. You know what I mean, like, because, like usually you know, like, okay, let's like talk about the other movie, what we might have talked about this evening for beers and reviews predator, clear cut cat and mouse from beginning to end. Yeah, like it never starts being Arnold hunts the predator. It's just that the cat wanders into the mouse is a den at one point and the mouse has some booby traps, right but, and they never. You know, uno reverses itself. But this movie, you know, for a while John McClain's on top and he's smoking guys, just you know, putting them down. And then, like there is the reverse where it's like he starts getting his shit stuffed and like you know, kind of like by the end of it, like I think it was I think by the end of that movie there was a really big how is he going to get out of this? You know what I mean? Like the final showdown. I was like he's going to die, like this is going to be a classic 80s movie where the hero dies at the end.

Speaker 2: 53:24

And that the senior time out, specifically where he runs at Hansgruber for the first time, there's a part of when you're watching that unfold where you're like the goodness of this guy is going to get him killed. You know like, oh he's. He's just being wolves being pulled over his eyes and naive at a, and you know he's just going to. He wants to help people. This looks like a business guy who got caught in this terrorist. You know act and I can't remember how that scene shakes out. It's got. Does he? Does Hans say something that that lets?

Speaker 1: 54:00

I can't remember.

Speaker 2: 54:02

Hansgruber says something that like keys him in to know that he was. Is the bad guy, something you shouldn't have known? Or he, or he tries to kill him, but it but anyways, with the way that, while it's unfolding, you're just going like oh, this guy's in, he's in trouble, he has no idea.

Speaker 1: 54:19

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty, it was pretty great. Um, and then like, uh, past that halfway mark is when I think we start seeing way more of the MacGyver element. You know John McClain, even more on his heels, like I to this day. I think, diehard is it? Maybe it's hard to say if it's diehard or not like a tv show, like actual, you know, MacGyver. Or burn notice. Don't know if you guys ever saw burn notice. Oh yeah, pretty, pretty CIA MacGyver craft. Yeah, but I think everywhere I go I look around for like tools to get out of the building.

Speaker 2: 54:53

You know means of an exit, means of a Barricade, because the ductwork probably isn't actually big enough for you to climb through no, but dude.

Speaker 1: 55:01

When he uses the fire hose For repelling out the window, I was always like, oh yeah, shit, like that works, dude. And I get this as part of my childlike Uh naivety. When I first watched this movie, Mm-hmm but I wondered and this is gonna sound awful, right, I hope you guys laugh at how stupid this is, so it doesn't sound as bad. But I wondered in 9-11, why didn't they use the fire hoses on every floor to like, climb down right? Because I'd see, diehard, and I was just.

Speaker 3: 55:32

This checks out.

Speaker 1: 55:34

I was like there's gotta be fire hoses on the floor. Why aren't they like dying them together to?

Speaker 3: 55:38

climb down. You fucking put them all together and get all the way.

Speaker 1: 55:41

You just like die it out and then swing into the next floor like I don't know.

Speaker 2: 55:45

It's like one time when I was a kid and I jumped from my top bunk Holding the strings to the blinds. Oh yeah, I was like I got the resistance of the blinds with like slowing down, so I just jumped yeah, just straight to the ground, rifted blinds off the wall and everything but hey, this, this really played out my yeah. Yeah, and my kids mind. I thought I was gonna just smooth or fell down this thing with the blinds.

Speaker 1: 56:10

Yeah, anyways, regardless, I still thought that was one of the coolest scenes and, uh, just the craftiness of it. And, of course, uh, not the final showdown with Hans, but, like the, probably the climax of the movie, I would say, is when, you know, mcclain walks into confront Hans and what's his name? Henchman, uh, and they have holly as a hostage. They've figured out, you know, she's john's wife and he's going in, hands up, airfoot, just a ripped up pants and a wife beater and you're like glasses, feet, yeah, and you're like fuck dude, he's gonna die. He's gonna like tackle him out the window. Say holly, I don't know what's he gonna do in, bro dude, that camera pan, I just remember, as the camera bans, the duct taped m9 on his back. I'm like I'm so Gonna do that shit with my friends. I remember seeing that on the movie, hitting the pause button on the dish dvr, running over to like the closet In my room and sliding it open and pulling out an m9 Like spring fired airsoft pistol.

Speaker 3: 57:27

You're like mom, where the where's a duck tape.

Speaker 1: 57:33

And I, just like I immediately was, like I can do this.

Speaker 3: 57:36

Before you even finish the film, you're digging through drawers in the house.

Speaker 1: 57:40

Oh yeah, dude, Without a doubt. Like you know, it was at my grandparents and I remember my grandma tried to help me understand. Like she was like what are you looking for? And I'm in the laundry room just opening all the drawers, like I need duct tape. It's just like okay, like whatever. And I just like I remember I had seen that movie. I told my friend about it and this was when, like all of your friends watch the same movie every weekend. Like you know, like Whatever movie you saw that weekend, majority is like like a good chance is that your friends also were watching the same channel, saw that movie that weekend. I just remember telling my buddy, luke, about it and he was just like All right, yeah, let's do that. And then, like we were role playing with the airsoft guns and I remember I was like coming around the corner with my wife and I got the duct taped on my back and I you know it's a spring fired at like airsoft pistol. So like I had it cocked and I was like in my head I was like I only got one shot, otherwise I'm gonna have to cock it again and I won't have enough time. I remember him like having me dead to rights with like a full battery like Airsoft gun. I was like he's gonna his for the vibes. He's gonna let me get the draw, but if I miss he's gonna smoke my ass. And of course, going for it and like just not getting it off, absolutely stuck, 20 airsoft babies ripple my body as I'm like just trying to rip it off my back. So funny, but anyways, that's what diehard gave me as a child.

Speaker 2: 59:08

You know, I mean yeah, I seen lives forever. No, I, I agree. It's like is diehard just A 10 year old Doing what a 10 year old would like like? It's just like if you get into the mind of a 10 year old, it's like what would the 10 year old do? So that the whole movie he would fucking duct tape.

Speaker 1: 59:30

this guy you know it's ten year old can fit through air ducts Exactly. It's like it's like.

Speaker 2: 59:34

It's like 10 year olds are always barefoot. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1: 59:38

Ten year olds always wear dirty wife beaters around the house 10 year olds walk on rocks glass barefoot like Ten year olds. Probably everyone's scared of walking glass as much as they are on.

Speaker 2: 59:49

You know anything else. This is just the uh of yeah, this is a day in the life of a 10 year old 10 year olds just want to swear. Yeah, just yeah, played out in cinema. It just you took it to the 10 year olds day of playing and turned it into a cinema movie. 10 year olds, like, even with. Like it's like a bad german, like it hits it, hans Gruber is like epically evil, but at the same time it's also just like Classic, like just a german bad guy.

Speaker 1: 1:00:17

He's always german. It's the bad guy who's like hmm, Nazis aren't around anymore, but in all the movies I grew up watching, nazis were bad guys. So bad guys are german yeah you know what I mean. I think, too, like the idea of like a 10 year old Home alone with like a babysitter who's like not giving two shits right and he's just on the phone trying for the love of god To like order a pizza but he he doesn't even know, like he's just hoping that some 10 digit number will get to like poppy johns at some point and just like swearing on the phone is strange. It's like I tried to order a fucking pizza, like just calling random people and like do you know what Papa John's numbers like? I don't know all the profanity. The movie makes more sense when you think of like a 10 year old who's not allowed a curse and like this is like one eve, one night a month he can swear because mom and dad aren't home. You know what I mean. Uh, incredible. I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 2: 1:01:14

That that changes the whole movie to me because that's why it's awesome. You know it's like. It's like like meet with the blinds, because, like you, just like, yep, tie the firehose around yourself and jump, you'll be fine.

Speaker 3: 1:01:26

You know it's great Um do we have some, some facts for this film?

Speaker 2: 1:01:32

We do, yeah we got trivia and goose. We can move into those for sure, and the uh. But I would like to say this it like Alan Rickman, when you hear the name, if you think Snape, you're wrong, sorry, chode, no, hans Gruber, all right. But also because here's why. Um, this was, uh, his debut feature film.

Speaker 1: 1:01:57

No, yeah, this came out before. Uh, robin Hood.

Speaker 2: 1:02:03

Uh, I think it did. Wow, dude, I would have thought Robin Hood came up before this. Your heart out with a rusty spoon, Isn't that what he says in? Robin Hood or something like that, just before Robin Hood yeah, this was his, I think I mean he had probably been in a thing or two, but this was his debut, you know, film um, and so that was uh, he crushed it. Oh yeah, oh yeah and it sent him obviously on a big career, um, because yeah, there's Snape, but then there's also oh, who's the other character I'm thinking of that he plays. It's just, um, he has a lot of good ones. Maybe my favorite favorite, Alan Rickman, is him in Galaxy quest.

Speaker 1: 1:02:45

Oh yeah, galaxy quest.

Speaker 2: 1:02:47

We might have to do the next time we do a third. I find galaxy quest is one of my favorite retrofies of all time Galaxy quest.

Speaker 1: 1:02:53

galaxy quest is a phenomenal movie and it holds up really well today too.

Speaker 2: 1:02:56

Oh yeah, because that's also just a day in the life of a 10 year old and uh.

Speaker 1: 1:03:02

What if star wars is real? Star trek, I guess, more than anything. But, um, yeah, I think, uh, I guess, like you know Closing thoughts, of course, on the movie as a whole great movie, wholesome ending, you know, we see the hero save the day and all that. So I think it's, uh, I think it's an appropriate movie to like, Uh, facilitate with your children watching. Like I, I would be okay letting my 10 year old watch this movie. Like I don't think any of the violence. There's no rape, there's no obscene nudity. The violence is all very, I think, like.

Speaker 2: 1:03:41

Action violence.

Speaker 1: 1:03:42

It's not like yeah, it's like squibs, no one's head explodes or like unnecessary.

Speaker 2: 1:03:47

There's no unnecessary violence.

Speaker 1: 1:03:49

There's nothing, yeah, there's nothing torturous.

Speaker 3: 1:03:51

Nothing's my marriage. It's rated R.

Speaker 1: 1:03:54

Nowadays maybe, yeah, back then, I think it was that's fair.

Speaker 2: 1:03:58

You know, the opening scene is with the. The CEOs just head like Getting splattered on the back window.

Speaker 1: 1:04:04

That's true.

Speaker 2: 1:04:05

So there's, there's like it is, like It'd be like a good first R rated movie. Yeah, because the lack of like, sexual content, lack of like just evil, violence, for no reason, I don't really need to explain anything.

Speaker 1: 1:04:19

Right, you know what I mean. Like my child probably is already aware that, like people die at this at like the age of 10 and it seemed like people die in movies, right. Like he's gonna see Jurassic Park before 10 and he's gonna know people die, he's gonna be way less shocked with the people. Yeah, he's gonna be way less shocked when people don't die from dinosaurs. They just get shot and fall over. He's back. Okay, that's not as scary.

Speaker 3: 1:04:47

But anyways, really got me.

Speaker 1: 1:04:48

Yeah, I think it's a great. I think it's a great movie for the family. I know we watch it every Christmas. Now, um, truvia, truvia, trivia got some quick facts here. Pat's also got some cool facts that he's perused from the internets to share. But the Nakatomi Plaza, which one of the sickest things I've ever seen, is just gear like Hats or shirts that are just in reference to the Nakatomi Plaza, because I think it's such a subtle Inside joke and like one of my favorite things is like Nakatomi plasma Christmas party 1988 and it's just like very Subtle and I just remember seeing that. I saw it in the wild and it was like someone wearing it as like a hoodie and I was like Nakatomi Plaza. Why do I? know that name and I was like scratching my brain, for about it I was like oh, that's legit, that's 1988.

Speaker 2: 1:05:43

I think I was at that party.

Speaker 1: 1:05:45

I wasn't bored. But why do I know about that party? I don't know, but it was, um, it's actually, or it was, the headquarters of 20th century studio, so it was cool. They rented their own building, though to save on Like taxes and stuff like that, yeah, they charged itself rent for the use and then unfinished building. Some of the model floors were occupied by legal and administrative departments, so only empty floors were used for filming. Still, the filming of the scenes that involved gunfire had to be postponed until after hours. Um, which is like, dude, you work for a movie studio like I would. I would. I would seek that job out for you know squibs in like blanks going off while I'm working.

Speaker 3: 1:06:28

I can hold an mb5 while.

Speaker 1: 1:06:29

I'm at the desk.

Speaker 3: 1:06:30

Yeah, sign me up.

Speaker 1: 1:06:31

Oh, I gotta get this back to the prop department. Honestly, it's like this is pre, like we're pre active shooter era, like just have fun with guns in the in the on the seventh floor, yeah exactly Um scene where Bruce Willis and Alan Rickman first meet up in the movie was unrehearsed Because they wanted to create the greater feeling of spine Spiney between the two actors and make it more natural, and I think it it does. It's like it's a brief moment of levity in the film where, like you can tell, everything is kind of wavy. You know it kind of feels right before a roller coaster crashes down.

Speaker 2: 1:07:08

And you're just like huh, and, as a director, if you want the vibe to be the general vibe to be I don't know what to say now Then that's a good way to do it, because it's like all right, you guys are gonna, you know, improv this out like you know, just like under her, and then it's just like you know, they're trying to figure each other out, trying to sign each other up. Okay, am I supposed to talk now, am I not? And that does create that that tension on screen for the viewer.

Speaker 1: 1:07:36

Well, and I think, like a lot of other great movies do that, like heat, uh, in the movie heat they never had Robert De Niro, al Pacino meet until they filmed the scene in the movie where they sit down for coffee, and it was in one take and they memorized their lines really well and like, so like they never let them be on set together and see each other on the set of the movie. So that way when they met for the first time for coffee, they were both like you fucking guy, you know, I mean, it was, it was pretty sick. Um, it works out. It works out for films. Let's the actors be more natural. Uh, for the shot where Hans Gruber falls, of course, one of the best shots, one of the shots where everyone for a long time was like how did they do? Name? Hans Gruber, played by Alan Reckman, is actually dropped 40 feet and they Uh did it at a lower elevation and kind of played with the background perspective with lenses, so he's not really being dropped from the top of the skyscraper, it was apparently like dropped from the lower one and he falls into an airbag. Uh, with a blue screen cover. Um, a stuntman was holding reckman up with a rope and then, uh, after Rickman's line was repeated twice for filming, the crew just dropped him, uh, without him being aware of it, and so the reaction of rickman, in slow motion, just like you see it, when he slips right In his face, has like that delay and that's a broader shock, as like as you get when you're like kind of stumbling off a ladder or something or you know whatever, and like all of that is real, because he wasn't ready for the free float, like free fall drop yet because they did the classic, the age old, all right on, are you ready?

Speaker 2: 1:09:19

Are you ready? Okay, on three. On three. Okay, one, two Got they dropped him on two. Just classic years ready for three. Got him on two and yeah, because the uh, I think that's why that scene they're doing that close-up on his face. It is so like it's real, like he's not acting, you see like.

Speaker 1: 1:09:40

One of my favorite things is like it's in such focus at the beginning that you see his pupils like go pin print like pinpoint. You know, I mean just like oh my god, I'm falling, oh my god, something's gone wrong. Um, Anyways, those are the ones I got. Pat. What do you got for for some cool fat boys?

Speaker 2: 1:10:01

Yeah, so, uh, diehard was uh, based on a book? Oh, wow, yeah, it was based on a book. I didn't know that. Um, and it was a 1966 novel Called nothing lasts forever. And over time a couple people got rights to this and it was for a while. Clint Eastwood had rights to the novel. Clint Eastwood was gonna do this movie, huh, and then he didn't have any more, and then they were. Then they're talking about making the movie again, and they were. They were planning on making this movie and they offered the job here. Okay, they offered the job Nicholas Cage of John McClain to Frank Sinatra.

Speaker 1: 1:10:54

Oh wow, how old was he at the time? 73. Holy shit, he's just yeah he's just cruning the whole time.

Speaker 2: 1:11:10

You know, but like, oh, I would have been such a flop of a movie that I was Frank Sinatra, ever in any movie. I don't know he wasn't some good movies actually.

Speaker 1: 1:11:20

Oh really.

Speaker 2: 1:11:21

I think was he in.

Speaker 1: 1:11:22

I've only ever seen Frank Sinatra like when he's like hosting an awards show.

Speaker 2: 1:11:26

Yeah, but I mean, he was in good movies when he was younger.

Speaker 1: 1:11:28

Yeah, you know, like sure.

Speaker 2: 1:11:30

And so those movies probably wouldn't stand up to modern times. But anyways, yeah, it's just, I don't think that would have worked. And Bruce Willis was like not even choice number three, like they went down the list till they got to him, and boy were they lucky, that's crazy. Like I said, it was also Alan Rickman's feature film debut and that launched him into some huge roles going forward.

Speaker 1: 1:11:52

I mean, he had some just as many times as someone quotes a job to claim, someone quotes Hans Gruber, hans Gruber. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:12:00

Oh yeah, most of which were pretty dark characters, though in the future, which he was, he was pretty resistant to do, but he played the real hero in Harry Potter.

Speaker 1: 1:12:10

I don't care what anyone says, harry Potter is not the hero of those movies. It's Snape hands down. I don't even like.

Speaker 3: 1:12:16

Harry Potter dude, that's fair.

Speaker 1: 1:12:17

I just watched Harry Potter to see the scenes with Alan Rickman.

Speaker 2: 1:12:21

So, yeah, he played some infamous characters and throughout time and he just had he does have this, he had that it thing for a bad guy. You know he could just get you Do you think this set him down that path?

Speaker 3: 1:12:38

I don't know. It was hard to say.

Speaker 2: 1:12:40

Was he the bad guy also and quickly down under he was. What year did that come out?

Speaker 1: 1:12:46

I don't know, but I remember he was like the bad guy no Baron, but like he was like the manager of the other mine workers.

Speaker 3: 1:12:56

He was also in Sweeney Todd.

Speaker 1: 1:12:59

He was. He was a bad guy in Sweeney Todd right, wasn't he like the father of the love interest, I think so I never even saw that. It was pretty good bro.

Speaker 2: 1:13:09

Maybe I'll watch it now it came out Sorry not father of the love interest.

Speaker 1: 1:13:12

He was like the adoptive father of Sweeney Todd's daughter in that movie, dude. I like that movie simply for I'm a big fan of the what's her name? The female actress in that movie who's the supporting role with Sweeney, with Johnny Depp.

Speaker 2: 1:13:28

Oh yeah, she plays a lot of good.

Speaker 1: 1:13:30

She's in Harry Potter as well, she's like psychopath, she's in like Les Mis, as I think she's just her wife. One, she's an incredible singer and two, I think she's just an awesome actress. But sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:13:47

I continue on. Those were, those were. Those were my facts. I got one real quick, you got one. Let's hear it.

Speaker 3: 1:13:53

Only a couple of the actors who play the German terrorists were actually able to speak German in the film. Most of them were chosen for looking like a menace to fit the roles, but Willis was actually born in West Germany.

Speaker 2: 1:14:13

Bruce Willis. Yeah, really.

Speaker 3: 1:14:15

Was it Melody? Was more German than all of the Germans in that film, incredible, I didn't know that that's a good fact.

Speaker 2: 1:14:22

I didn't know that either I got a couple of goose. Oopsies Also. That's right, she's the she's in Fight Club.

Speaker 1: 1:14:31

Yeah, she's in Fight.

Speaker 2: 1:14:32

Club that's. That's the one I was thinking of. She's also excellent in Fight Club Hitter.

Speaker 1: 1:14:35

Yeah, big hitter. What a film, dude. I just watched that movie again. Recently my wife and I had a date night where we pick our favorite movies and sit down to watch them. She's already seen so many of my favorites that I had to think of a one that she hadn't seen. So I picked Fight Club Nice and she went into it and she's like I could tell she was like you know, kind of hands on her side, like I got a lunch and maybe about these guys beating each other up in a basement. Yeah, like, ok one, billy Jean, does it sound like that Our wives listen to the podcast? I'm in trouble Edit this out. I knew that's kind of like her disposition and then, like she's like the hands start to drop 30 minutes in and she's like, but when do they fight? And then it was like and then it was, like you know, an hour and she's like this movie is definitely not what I thought it was. And then, like you know, by the end of the movie she's like that's a great movie, like she loved it, she thought it was a phenomenal movie?

Speaker 3: 1:15:31

What movie did she make you watch?

Speaker 1: 1:15:34

Oh I love you, man. Great comedy. Oh yeah, yes, it's one of her favorite rom-coms. I thought I think that's a great rom-com. That's a bromance movie. The romance part is like, definitely second to the bromance. But some goose, so big old goose. One of my favorite ones here, which you know, is classic Takagi. He was born in Kyoto in 1937, according to the what he's described in the movie. Yet a computer readout displays his military service assigned to the aircraft carrier Akagi in July 1940. This would be impossible to serve in the Imperial Japanese Navy at the age of three, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:16:13

They needed everybody they could get for that one. That's all I have to say about that.

Speaker 1: 1:16:16

They. That was rough times. Several times during transmissions with the two-way radios, characters interrupt each other, which would be impossible given the type of radios they're using. That is cringe to me. Now, after having worked with two-way radios and radios that technically aren't two-way and allow you to talk over, but they cut out someone else. You know right, and like seeing the way they interrupt each other, I'm like, oh god, I would like I would be screaming over the radio to them to shut up.

Speaker 3: 1:16:46

You know like wait your turn.

Speaker 1: 1:16:48

Wait for me to stop talking.

Speaker 2: 1:16:51

It'd be funny if they, if you did that, like if you played a scene out like that and then, like I, had to take a break during like your cussing match to like establish, like, oh, okay, oh, we got to use proper radio protocols now, please. Like I just wish like. I agree. Okay, copy that.

Speaker 1: 1:17:08

You know coming in and out because I think it's only McClain that interrupts. The family matters, dad, and I think he like if I was, I think it would have been funny if he just looked so fucking annoyed in his car and just like McClain, I thought you said you were a cop, damn it. Like, stop interrupting me on the radio. You know what I mean. But when McClain clicks the clicker and drops the monitor with the C4 down the elevator, he has a moment to jump away as the explosion risers. But fun fact for a lot of people who aren't experienced with destructive devices as described by the ATF, the gas from C4 compound for plastic explosive expands faster than the speed of sound, and so by the time John McClain dropped that and jumped into the elevator, the explosion would have gone past his body and his face would have been melted and so I agree, but these rules don't apply to anything pre-95 um, actually it's the goofs segment, so please stop yeah, we can say it was for cinema matters, but um, actually this is where we talk about real, factual things gosh.

Speaker 2: 1:18:20

I just want to see, like when that was. Like have you ever seen on IMDB when people come in and say stuff like 40 years later on something in a year? It's like, well, yeah, that's because you're watching it now, brother. I like this movie so cringe, and I'm like well, yeah, it's 2023, that came out in 92.

Speaker 1: 1:18:37

I think we knew how C4 worked though.

Speaker 2: 1:18:39

Well, this is true every but 80, 80s muscle man explosions right there, right, it had to be behind him.

Speaker 1: 1:18:47

It has to be moving slower than him as he falls down an elevator chef. I understand that. I'm just saying his shirt would have been melted to you would have been smoked it would have been a crispy Christmas, turkey man, am I glad we didn't do predator tonight. Okay, all right, let's do predator as the next retro dude. Just because someone tested out recently, you guys should watch this and I'll make you want to go over. It'll make you want to watch predator again. Someone just tested out quarter digital. Shout out to the MVPs who made me first get into home video and like recording my own videos with my high school buddies. Quarter digital tested if you could use mud to hide your body. Heat signature from heat vision cameras. They tested on several different IR wavelengths with heat vision or you know, thermal cameras. Right now he I shouldn't say heat vision, thermal cameras and you guys got to watch it to see because it's. It's pretty insane how the application from like the movie and it's like the idea, like when that movie was made in 85, thermals were so cutting-edge that most people didn't believe they really existed and that it was just a fake imagery full of the like. It was like a trick of cinema, like that's not that's not recording through thermal. That's just the Hollywood. How do we like I guess that could be how thermal looks to an alien and like that's how new the technology was at the time. It's wild and so like the idea that the like someone wrote this script was like mud. It's pretty crazy. So they put it to the test. It is pretty cool to watch it's awesome, does it work? I'm not gonna spoil it, you guys watch it the it's, it's I'll say this like when you watch it you're just like your expectations go up and down and like it's a roller coaster of a short video if it does work out shout out to corridor.

Speaker 3: 1:20:46

I'm. My only thought is like not only is thermal cutting edge, but somebody figures out that mud. I'm like if only every single person in a Middle Eastern war would have known that mud might say you gotta have water first to make a little fun like c4 fact on how it blows you up.

Speaker 2: 1:21:09

There was a MacVease saw guy who was a savage and basically you would get some awesome leave time if you took a captive. So these guys fighting over in Laos, if they could get a guy captured they would get to go to Hawaii for like I think it was like two or three weeks leave in Hawaii. Holy smoke. She was like, yeah, so I mean, these guys wanted to capture someone bad, bad, bad right, and so the best idea they'd come up with was trying to like first they tried to do like claymores in a way that would like only take out like four of the five people and like kind of knock the legs out of the fifth so they could get him home. And it wasn't working there.

Speaker 1: 1:21:55

Killing everybody. Yeah, killing everybody, every time.

Speaker 2: 1:21:57

So this guy who's just? dead set on getting a captive. He's like we're gonna use C4 and we're gonna knock him out with it. He's like so I need to learn how to knock out someone with C4. The easiest and most sensible way to do this is to clack off C4 in front of myself and close the distance until I knock myself out. And so he went to the range with a bunch of C4 and he's just as his ordinance and he's just blasting it off, stepping forward, forward, blasting it off. No, okay, like for, like, like TBI and like PTSD and like especially TBI. Like Not a service related, like how much like that is like something people really know about now and really a huge focus. Like just repeatedly just taking steps forward till finally he did. He got to the perfect distance. Where he did? He just got there and clacked it off and just woke up and the sun was down or whatever, like he. Like he knocked himself out with a C4, but that's incredible. What a wild man.

Speaker 1: 1:23:04

Dude, can you imagine the bill for like whatever department?

Speaker 3: 1:23:08

or division.

Speaker 1: 1:23:08

He was under. Holy shit, dude, we're going through pounds and pounds of this stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:23:14

That's the best part about fighting a secret war.

Speaker 3: 1:23:16

Yeah there's just the black budget A blank check.

Speaker 1: 1:23:20

All money is made up, all right. The helicopters in the scene where the FBI agents, johnson and Johnson, are trying to do a helicopter rescue, extraction of the hostages on the roof are actually United States Marine Corps is gunships. So here's a weird thing. You know, no one really knows how the movie did this in LA and a lot of people have examined the footage trying to see if, like it's propped with, like the rotor spinning and then the background of LA is green screen but like you could see by the camera sweeping, that whatever camera is filming these helicopters is also a camera in a helicopter. But these United States Marine Corps gunships, they're military vehicles and it would take a presidential authority to suspend the Posse Kamatatus Act and call in the US military on US soil in order to deal with the hostage crisis. That would be the reality of the situation, right, if the FBI was trying to use military vehicles with military pilots to rescue hostages. People are like somehow, though, 20th Century Fox convinced the US military to surpass the Posse Kamatatus Act to film these gunships flying over LA and somehow LAPD and like California as a whole, as a state, was chill as it, and I was just like everyone's, like no one's ever been able to do this before. Like, the reason you don't see military helicopters in movies even old movies flying over America is because it's illegal to have military aircraft operating over America. And like, unless it's like training stuff, right. And so, like, a lot of people are like trying to figure out, like how did this company end up doing it? And like, could other companies do it instead of CGI? That's my final little goof there, which is not really goof. Like I said, I think the best goofs are the um actually ones. You know where. It's more of a annoying factual correction that you can, you know, when you're sipping shitty beer this holiday, share with your family. But with that we've reached the end of our brews and reviews. You know we've covered a lot of stuff about Bruce Willis and all that and here at the end you know it's time to give our thumbs up rating, thumbs down rating of Die Hard. And you know what? No, no delay, no showboating, I'm going to give Die Hard a. Two thumbs up. It's a. It was a great movie when I was a child and it's still a damn good movie today, no matter how many times I've seen it and how predictable it is.

Speaker 2: 1:25:56

Oh, yeah, I think, because here's the deal. I'm giving two thumbs up as well because here's the deal If Hollywood came out with a movie that just kind of stuck to you know the general guidelines of what makes a good story such as this they would crush it at the box offices Right now. Yeah, right now, at this moment. If you just remade Die Hard, called it something different, changed it up a little bit, I think it's what people want, you know a day in the life of a 10 year old and I think it would make so much money because there's so many movies and TV shows coming out every day. It's like I used to think about this about YouTube. You just cannot watch all of the things on YouTube. How many lifetimes would it take to watch all of the content? It's getting that way to me with, like TV shows and movies. Like you can't keep up with every TV show and every movie coming out.

Speaker 1: 1:26:53

It's just pumping them out. That's why people rely on our God-given thumbs here as they're making a past show.

Speaker 3: 1:26:59

You know people are entrancing, you and I. That comes with beers I guess.

Speaker 1: 1:27:02

Oh no, no, no, no, We've recommended some damn good beers. It's some pretty shitty drinks. We never recommended shitty beer. We've always canceled out.

Speaker 2: 1:27:12

Okay okay. You have, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going to give you two thumbs, Dude. All right, Dean.

Speaker 3: 1:27:21

You know I. There's a part of me that wants to just give it one For what reason when I line this up to the greatest movies out there.

Speaker 1: 1:27:34

Okay, greatest movies. Put it in its genre, though.

Speaker 3: 1:27:37

Yeah, yeah, and that's when I, when I really think about this in context and what they were aiming for, what they delivered on and the timelessness of it for what it is. I do think it's two.

Speaker 1: 1:27:51

Hell yeah, I give this two thumbs up. Hell yeah, yeah, doesn't matter what you think, anyways.

Speaker 2: 1:27:55

More thumbs up for the Mickey Pat Show.

Speaker 1: 1:27:57

All right, go grab yourself a beer, ken. Consider your family and their age and if they'd enjoy this movie. But you know what, if you're just out there and you know you find yourself awake late at night during the holidays, all the family's gone to bed, your in-laws from out of town are snoring upstairs and you're just like gosh. I just need something to kind of cope right now. Put on die hard. Turn on your Bluetooth headphones, sit in your recliner and enjoy a good movie and enjoy a good beer too. You know, or five, or drink it till you fall asleep, I guess.

Speaker 3: 1:28:38

You said a recliner. I feel like that's the only way to go out.

Speaker 1: 1:28:41

What's a recliner Cause, like you know your best, being used by your in-laws.

Speaker 3: 1:28:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:28:44

Family in from out of town, all that stuff. So anyways, ken, thanks for joining us, dean thanks for joining us. Always happy to have a guest and a friend on the show. We wishing you all a happy holidays. We'll probably be able to do another seasonal bruising reviews, timely one. Here. We say it's every week, but that's just part of the joke. And, pat, you got any sign-offs?

Speaker 2: 1:29:09

I might go home and watch Die Hard right now. Yeah, but yeah, thanks for joining us, until next time.